I think the young players need a lower SW due to their swing style, what I think they need is a higher Twist Weight. If you hit flat and you have a very good technique you can have a much higher SW than 330 (with a low Twist Weight) but if you use a lot of spin on your shots, you probably need a lower SW and an higher Twist Weight. It would be interesting if you could measure the Twist Weight of those racquets next time
Ever since moving to a ~330 swing weight, I've seen a massive improvement in my overall game. Wish I used a higher SW when I was younger / more athletic
@@Official.tadiwa more control over your racket/shots during contact as long as you have the strength to wield it. You are not gonna get pushed by the ball as much as a light racket against a player who hits hard, you have more control to do what you want to do with the ball because racket is more stable during contact, heavier racket drive through the ball much easier, means your shots will be heavier (more power behind it, not speed). The disadvantage is less racket head speed= lower ball speed, lower spin capability, more stamina consumption For example, Rublev uses a very heavy racket and hits his forehand very flat and heavy, if an average pro was to use a 290 racket to return that, 1. that person will have to work a lot harder to match the power to hit back the shot with a much lighter racket, 2. even with no.1 accomplished, that person will still suffer a pretty bad vibration of his lighter racket, 3. if that person uses a very stiff racket with very high string tension, that can reduce vibration problem, but then he would have to deal with an overworked forearm and a tennis elbow So overall, ideally you wanna be using a heavy racket so you dont have to work as hard
@@Official.tadiwa improved stability, power, control when dealing with stronger players. Against big hitters especially, you need that certain mass to keep up
@ TAĐ!WA it definitely improves your game in the medium to long run. A heavy swinging racquet will make you 'swing' the racquet and have good footwork to time it well. With lighter swinging rackets you can get away with poorer footwork and just flick yourself out of difficult situations and get away with poor technique. Ofc you can improve playing with lighter rackets,but they won't teach you how bad you are swinging it (timing and relaxation) compared to a heavy swinging racket. Heavy swinging rackets are a trade off, but if you dial it in, there isn't a greater feeling than effortlessly and comfortably plowing the ball.
It is personal preference and depends on your style, although you should know that your style will probably change depending on the racket you use, so it depends where you want your game to be in the future too. That said, heavy swinging rackets are true teachers on how to play tennis. They will give you feedback if you are swinging it properly, with the correct timing or not, and won't let you get away with poor technique or flicking the ball back in. If you are getting tired, it is because you are not really swinging it properly,are not relaxed, or you are late on the ball and trying to compensate with your upper body muscles. Coming from heavy rackets, I find lighter rackets very unreliable and generally uncomfortable. The lack of stability makes you want to grab harder and stabilize with your hand, receiving shock, or uncontrollably twisting here and there. No better feeling in tennis than cracking at balls with heavy rackets effortlessly.
Interesting. When I learned about swingweight, I eventually got a swingweight machine and discovered that my favorite racquets and my preferred swingweight is around 326-328. My one handed topspin backhand seems to be the most sensitive stroke for swingweight. I definitely don't like swingweights that are too much lighter than my ideal, though I can play okay with somewhat higher (335-340 or so). If the swingweight is too low, I have a hard time timing my backhand, swinging too fast and often framing the ball. Generally, I'm fine with all my other shots, including my backhand slice, though touch shots like droppers and lobs can also be problematic.
I play mostly doubles so I actually lower my swing weight to around 325 ish... When I used to play mostly singles, my prefer swing weight was around 330. But as I get older, I cant generate as much racquet speed to control heavy balls, so I prefer sticks around 320s
Interesting, I just switched from Blade to Blade Pro both customized. SW was 325 and is now around 337. I’m winning a lot of neutral points just through depth and able to end points easier. Serve is also better. I’m also not getting pushed around as easily against better players. Still adjusting to the maneuverability and I can’t yet hit some of the angles I had before. But this may change with time and has been well worth it nonetheless. I’d recommended people up SW through tape in the hoop until it’s no longer comfortable.
I’m 31 in good shape still. Play with a lot of spin but not as much as some of the younger gen. Definitely part of it, although look at Rafa - he’s been upping racquet SW to account for some of his declining athleticism and torque.
We shouldn't forget on what type of surface you play. When I play on clay, the ball gets heavier and with more spin. Therefore, I opt to play with a heavier racquet(Pro Staff Spin with lead tape in the hoop). But when I play indoor, I prefer a slightly lighter racquet(Yonex Vcore Tour) and I lower the tension slightly, or put some natural gut in the crosses. That's the combination that gives me the best results. It's a matter of experimenting, when you CAN do it.
Hi Jonas, I think its hard for us middle aged (40+) recreational players as we are no way near as fit as the pros. Its a double edged sword. I dabbled in heavier static weights and higher swing weights over the years and for the first 20mins it always felt great but i tire out too fast, lose swing speed etc. And when playing competitvely i need a racket i can swing comfortably for hours so have lately gone back down in weight. Stability is reduced slightly but i only struggle when playing against very hard hitters. I think with the right footwork, timing and string job (deep rabbit hole) a lighter frame is the way to go especially smaller physique players like myself. I am 5ft7 125lbs 🙂
even smaller so I use old Pro Kennex Jr Ace Pro Power Contour an Aluminum frame mainly Red and blue as I got 2 in 2023 but I got in 2024 2 yellow and black 4 inch grip model on the way because were bran new unused and also a Red and blue coming. I did recently add on racquet head end some black spray on rubber of 3 in my possession now and on all I add a black cloth hockey tape for falling grip in a loose barely overlapping single spiral and some Loctite Ultra Gel Control on open end near bottom only going 2 layers of tape on yellow and black of same model length.
I see some pro using a 26 inch older Jr racquet in future where is basically made the same as the adult version of racquet in a 100--102 square inch frame head and by getting rid of an inch on frame they lose significant grams and use a thicker over grip on regular if racquet is too small in hands under a 4 & 1/4 size like how some leather grips with a backing are.
Another good stick that you did not mention, which I use, is the Pro Kennex Ki Q+ Tour Pro 325g. it's 18x20 and the listed swing weight is 331 on TW. It's probably too much for me but I have enjoyed it to return big serves , and it gives a lot precision on slices with the 18x20. Though I have to say it lacks power for me when I don't hit with good technique or if I miss the sweet spot. Question for you - do these numbers on retailer websites like tennis warehouse show STRUNG or UNSTRUNG swingweight specs?
Still not measured my Ezone 98, currently I am playing with leather grip and one overgrip on it. I tried putting also some tape in different places but didn't liked it. Can you tell me your tuning please?
@@manosparcharidis465 I tried a leather grip as well but couldn't quite get used to it. Currently I have around 6g at 3 and 9, and 3g in the handle. So 9g in total. Mainly added stability with moderate increase of SW
@@Gamertaaag thanks, it sounds very balanced setup, with less static weight than me but more swingweight. I need to try it, although I love the raw feel from the leather grip and the more head light setup.
dear T.N i just wondering if it would be possible to talk about balance point for pro players and the relation of static,swing,and blance .best regards
There's a graph in TW forum that shows relationship between swingweight & average ranks of atp/wta players, and it shows what you say here, the average is 330-ish, but the top top level, a bunch of top 5 used 345+ swingweight. And somehow it shows the higher the swingweight, the better rank you'd be. Just find it interesting, imho..
That list is going to change rapidly over the next decade or so, if things fall how they look to at the moment. Still, I'd like to take a look at that list as it sounds kind of interesting. While lower swing weights aren't new, it is a more recent trend among younger players that are, in many cases, still developing their careers. And if you're talking top 5 you've had Nadal, Djokovic, and Medvedev in and around there in recent times for example all swinging above 350. I'd say their ranks have more to do with them as players and it just so happens that higher swing weights are something they've chosen and it works with what they've wanted to implement on the court (wasn't always the case with Nadal). Outside of the three players mentioned, I know Ruud and Berretini have around 350ish swing weights. But largely they seem to be 345 and under at the top now. FAA 338 or something. Tsitsipas 340 something. Sinner 340. Alcaraz 328. Tiafoe 330. And notably these I've just mentioned here bar Berretini have light static weights compared to average when you include currently playing gens. Larger head sizes as well (I read tour average is 97 inches, but most players under a certain age use 98 to 100). And stiffer frames in many cases. I suspect if someone has come up with a list of RA and rank, lower RA would be winning that over the years. Mid head sizes as well. Higher static Vs lower static. But again these things are changing. Every equipment choice will boost something at the expense of something else. That even includes swing weight. It's a mix and match that ideally is tailored to you. And lower swing weights are quite obviously perfectly viable.
High swingweight is dangerous as fuck, especially if you enjoy to swing these rackets but are not used to If you re not careful and dont ramp up the SW gradually over long time you have a wrist, ellbow or shoulder injury. Been there and it took months to recover from pain and my wrist is still weak.
I am a 52 yr old intermediate player. Incam tell you that to hit consistently for 60 to 90 minutes the swing weight should be around 315 to 320 tops. My friends didn't believe me till they tried it. We were at 325+ and after the hour we were all beat and arms tired.
I’m a year younger, and since I can’t run around for much more than 90 minutes it hardly matters if I can swing the racket. That said I have just picked up an old Head iTour frame which is more in the spec you’re indicating and I’m excited to hit with it. Feels like it’s going to give me some extra RHS and not sacrifice too much stability despite being rather lower in swing weight and static weight than the rest of my bag.
And a match played with off the shelf rackets (the ones they are painted to look like!) with no customisation, only their choice of string and tension just to see how much worse they played if at all.
@@jesoby Nadal would have advantage there as new pure aeros aren't a massive departure from his original (I think he even used a blacked out 2016 pure aero in a tournament years back, at a custom spec). Biggest thing would be dealing with the completely different specs and how that alters everything from the swing and timing to performance at contact (Nadals has a 360 swing weight for instance and is quite heavily polarised, meaning it would be more like a weighty whip) and adjusting to that. Djokovic on the other hand uses a completely different racket to the speed. Different mold. Different layup. Different head size. Different string pattern. It would be an even bigger drop in power than it would be for Nadal as well, as the speed pro he endorses despite being heavier (stock retail Vs pure aero) has lower hitting weight values (effective weight at contact with different points of stringbed) in terms of effective area, meanwhile Djokovics actual racket is an absolute beast. Both guys though would need to make up for lost power with extra swing speed. I'm sure they'd do just that and they'd still be hitting awesome shots and having great rallies. Would be fun/interesting. They're incredible players though so they'd still play well, even if there's an adjustment period. Well as in they'd still look awesome but they for sure wouldn't play anywhere near as well as they do with their setups. Not necessarily because they're better, but that they're used to their setups and they've come to those specs on purpose. As an example, Djokovic is an absolute master at redirecting power/heavy shots with precision. His setup is perfect for that. A stock retail head speed pro is not.
Simple rule : If you add weight at 12 o'clock, add the same amount to the handle to counter balance. Personnally, I also add a little bit of weight to the throat, it makes the racquet feel less hollow. It is surprinsing what swingweight you can use, I'm 5'10, 175 lbs and I added 14g at 12 o clock, 4 grams in the throat and 14g in the handle on a Head Prestige Pro 2019 (now called the tour) It still feels maneuverable, we can adapt easier than we think! I bumped the tension to 60 pounds with Solinco Outlast 16g because such weight will give you lost of power and comfort because you are now winning the collision with the ball.
Pretty simple reason. Form follows function. Today’s strokes are much more vertical and whippier than before, and so people are loosening up their poly stringbed, getting a launch from it, and control the ball’s flight-path by whipping it. Interestingly enough I’ve seen that both Rublev and Federer have lower SWs, and they both plow the ball quite horizontally. Then there’s Cerundolo… Gotta love the old-school specs!
Roger varied a lot, he played with a lot of spin though.. Flatter shots on the rise or attack.. Rafa is more lift.. Different.. But have you seen Rogers arm.. He turns that around as a 300 gr for most players.. His swingweight is quite high, 350gr unstrung.. Check his spec vid
I haven't used the manual method in a while, but it should work okay, although not as exact. There are some cheaper swing-weight tools out there on the market.
I think us amateurs should go even lower than pros, mainly because they are professional athletes and receive a much heavier ball from the opponent, we dont need that much mass!!
@@Tennisnerd debatable. Many sources say he played the majority of his career with right around 350. 345 is the lowest estimate I've ever seen. as for the tennis is changing, yeah it is and it's getting worse. These young guys can't beat guys in their mid to late 30s. All congrats to Med at US Open 2021, however, he's using a swing weight at 350+ as well. Alcaraz won US Open 2022, but one glaringly large asterisk there... No actual confirmed swing weights from him either unless we trust the babolat sales rep on the forums.
@@curttheboywonder a 350 swing weight and its end result as far as performance goes varies from racket to racket. So an old 85 inch pro staff with a 350 swing weight isn't the same as a Pure Aero with a 350 swing weight even if the static, balance, RA etc are matched. This is because different variables with a racket impact its effective hitting weight, not static, at different points on the stringbed. So a modern Pure Aero VS, which Alcaraz supposedly uses relatively close to stock specs, hits like a heavier racket. This is important to note here when talking about swing weights at a lower limit of 350 in your mind being acceptable. One big point when it comes to a higher swing weight is to better win the battle of ball Vs racket at your contact point, and modern rackets quite often make this easier to do with lighter overall specs than with more traditional rackets. Lighter setups bring their own benefits, like additional time on the ball. Swing speed can also make up for loss of power from the setup as well, depending on various factors. You've also got different generations. So what worked in the 90s isn't necessarily entirely relevant to what works now. So you'd have to go with recent results, which even then perhaps isn't entirely fair seeing how the best players to ever play the game are still playing quite well (bar Fed who's retired). And all we know right now is that many of the young players pushing through are using lighter specs than older generations. You can argue all you want whether that's a good or bad thing, but that's going down a subjective path. Like it or not, in 10 + years, unless newer generations change the tone again, which is of course totally possible, most top players and slam winners will be using fairly light specs. That will of course change the data here re slam winners and swing weights, static weights etc. But one player is one player. What works for that one player may or may not reflect equipment trends in his or her time. And the point there is that trends are one thing but what ultimately works for you is another, and they won't necessarily match up. I'd say most would agree though that the reason the younger guys haven't broken through enough at the slams isn't really down to their rackets but their heads. Possibly also actual talent as well. No offense to Tsitsipas etc but Nadal and Djokovic are just better players, even in their mid thirties. It's been the same way with every gen that's come since the big 3 have been a thing, and I'd even say this new era of younger players have some of the best non big 3 guys I've seen since the arrival of the big 3. Furthermore, the first player I've seen since their arrival all those years ago that looks to have the potential to reach an even somewhat comparable level, which by no means he will achieve it, is Alcaraz, who to our knowledge uses a very light spec.
@@sjjapp This is all based on one guy, supposedly using a racquet mostly stock. Which could be completely untrue. Everyone said Nick K used a stock ezone XI and now there are pictures circulating with gobs of lead under the head bumper showing from when he smashed one to bits... We'll just have to wait and see with Alcaraz. Studies show that as racquet weight increases, swing speed barely decreases. Doubling a 300ish gram racquet to 600 grams slows down the average swing by about 25 percent. Even on big shots pros are rarely swinging a racquet over 85 mph if ever. It's not like guys with light racquets are swinging at 100 mph and guys with heavy racquets are at 60 mph. It's all basically the same max racquet swing speed. Perhaps a lighter racquet can reach it's ultimate velocity faster than a heavier one. But by the end of the stroke they're all moving roughly the same speed. Force = mass x acceleration. with acceleration being similar, more mass means more force. Of course the racquet doesn't make the player and these young guys are failing all on their own. Still fun to point out that we shouldn't be looking to follow the trends of the generation that can't defeat geriatrics.
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330 swing weight, 11.5-12oz static weight and 4-5 HL strung
I think the young players need a lower SW due to their swing style, what I think they need is a higher Twist Weight. If you hit flat and you have a very good technique you can have a much higher SW than 330 (with a low Twist Weight) but if you use a lot of spin on your shots, you probably need a lower SW and an higher Twist Weight.
It would be interesting if you could measure the Twist Weight of those racquets next time
Ever since moving to a ~330 swing weight, I've seen a massive improvement in my overall game. Wish I used a higher SW when I was younger / more athletic
Improvement how? Please actually explain this. Increased weight doesnt improve your game
@@Official.tadiwa more control over your racket/shots during contact as long as you have the strength to wield it. You are not gonna get pushed by the ball as much as a light racket against a player who hits hard, you have more control to do what you want to do with the ball because racket is more stable during contact, heavier racket drive through the ball much easier, means your shots will be heavier (more power behind it, not speed).
The disadvantage is less racket head speed= lower ball speed, lower spin capability, more stamina consumption
For example, Rublev uses a very heavy racket and hits his forehand very flat and heavy, if an average pro was to use a 290 racket to return that, 1. that person will have to work a lot harder to match the power to hit back the shot with a much lighter racket, 2. even with no.1 accomplished, that person will still suffer a pretty bad vibration of his lighter racket, 3. if that person uses a very stiff racket with very high string tension, that can reduce vibration problem, but then he would have to deal with an overworked forearm and a tennis elbow
So overall, ideally you wanna be using a heavy racket so you dont have to work as hard
Same. Can't hit less than 330
@@Official.tadiwa improved stability, power, control when dealing with stronger players. Against big hitters especially, you need that certain mass to keep up
@ TAĐ!WA it definitely improves your game in the medium to long run. A heavy swinging racquet will make you 'swing' the racquet and have good footwork to time it well. With lighter swinging rackets you can get away with poorer footwork and just flick yourself out of difficult situations and get away with poor technique. Ofc you can improve playing with lighter rackets,but they won't teach you how bad you are swinging it (timing and relaxation) compared to a heavy swinging racket. Heavy swinging rackets are a trade off, but if you dial it in, there isn't a greater feeling than effortlessly and comfortably plowing the ball.
a very concise, systematic and informative overview for everyone below pro to work back from - referred this to many students
If you have long and flat strokes, higher SW might suit you. If you have a shorter, more loopy or loose swing, you'll probably enjoy less SW... ;)
Good point, style is important
It is personal preference and depends on your style, although you should know that your style will probably change depending on the racket you use, so it depends where you want your game to be in the future too. That said, heavy swinging rackets are true teachers on how to play tennis. They will give you feedback if you are swinging it properly, with the correct timing or not, and won't let you get away with poor technique or flicking the ball back in. If you are getting tired, it is because you are not really swinging it properly,are not relaxed, or you are late on the ball and trying to compensate with your upper body muscles. Coming from heavy rackets, I find lighter rackets very unreliable and generally uncomfortable. The lack of stability makes you want to grab harder and stabilize with your hand, receiving shock, or uncontrollably twisting here and there. No better feeling in tennis than cracking at balls with heavy rackets effortlessly.
Lower the music a bit next time please!
Will do or remove if it is a distraction
@@Tennisnerd it's not the right music either tbh. Either remove or lower or change to the mood.
I liked the music a lot and didn't think it was too loud.
I customised my Aero VS to 290 SW. My string setup (Solinco Confidential 1.25) lifts it to 325 SW. Feels perfect, 330 was a bit to much
325 is excellent for the Aero
Interesting. When I learned about swingweight, I eventually got a swingweight machine and discovered that my favorite racquets and my preferred swingweight is around 326-328. My one handed topspin backhand seems to be the most sensitive stroke for swingweight. I definitely don't like swingweights that are too much lighter than my ideal, though I can play okay with somewhat higher (335-340 or so). If the swingweight is too low, I have a hard time timing my backhand, swinging too fast and often framing the ball. Generally, I'm fine with all my other shots, including my backhand slice, though touch shots like droppers and lobs can also be problematic.
I play mostly doubles so I actually lower my swing weight to around 325 ish... When I used to play mostly singles, my prefer swing weight was around 330. But as I get older, I cant generate as much racquet speed to control heavy balls, so I prefer sticks around 320s
Interesting, I just switched from Blade to Blade Pro both customized. SW was 325 and is now around 337. I’m winning a lot of neutral points just through depth and able to end points easier. Serve is also better. I’m also not getting pushed around as easily against better players. Still adjusting to the maneuverability and I can’t yet hit some of the angles I had before. But this may change with time and has been well worth it nonetheless.
I’d recommended people up SW through tape in the hoop until it’s no longer comfortable.
I’m 31 in good shape still. Play with a lot of spin but not as much as some of the younger gen. Definitely part of it, although look at Rafa - he’s been upping racquet SW to account for some of his declining athleticism and torque.
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Nice Video, i play the Yonex Ezone 98 305g. with 320 swingwight!
We shouldn't forget on what type of surface you play. When I play on clay, the ball gets heavier and with more spin. Therefore, I opt to play with a heavier racquet(Pro Staff Spin with lead tape in the hoop). But when I play indoor, I prefer a slightly lighter racquet(Yonex Vcore Tour) and I lower the tension slightly, or put some natural gut in the crosses. That's the combination that gives me the best results. It's a matter of experimenting, when you CAN do it.
Hi Jonas, I think its hard for us middle aged (40+) recreational players as we are no way near as fit as the pros. Its a double edged sword. I dabbled in heavier static weights and higher swing weights over the years and for the first 20mins it always felt great but i tire out too fast, lose swing speed etc. And when playing competitvely i need a racket i can swing comfortably for hours so have lately gone back down in weight. Stability is reduced slightly but i only struggle when playing against very hard hitters. I think with the right footwork, timing and string job (deep rabbit hole) a lighter frame is the way to go especially smaller physique players like myself. I am 5ft7 125lbs 🙂
even smaller so I use old Pro Kennex Jr Ace Pro Power Contour an Aluminum frame mainly Red and blue as I got 2 in 2023 but I got in 2024 2 yellow and black 4 inch grip model on the way because were bran new unused and also a Red and blue coming. I did recently add on racquet head end some black spray on rubber of 3 in my possession now and on all I add a black cloth hockey tape for falling grip in a loose barely overlapping single spiral and some Loctite Ultra Gel Control on open end near bottom only going 2 layers of tape on yellow and black of same model length.
Amazing! Your channel is a gold mine for upcoming players, keep up the good work 👏🏻
Thanks, man. I appreciate it!
I see some pro using a 26 inch older Jr racquet in future where is basically made the same as the adult version of racquet in a 100--102 square inch frame head and by getting rid of an inch on frame they lose significant grams and use a thicker over grip on regular if racquet is too small in hands under a 4 & 1/4 size like how some leather grips with a backing are.
Love your videos but the music was horribly distracting. Just ordered the SW1 Briffidi.
Yeah, will fix that, my mistake
Another good stick that you did not mention, which I use, is the Pro Kennex Ki Q+ Tour Pro 325g. it's 18x20 and the listed swing weight is 331 on TW. It's probably too much for me but I have enjoyed it to return big serves , and it gives a lot precision on slices with the 18x20. Though I have to say it lacks power for me when I don't hit with good technique or if I miss the sweet spot.
Question for you - do these numbers on retailer websites like tennis warehouse show STRUNG or UNSTRUNG swingweight specs?
Strung
Tuned my Ezone 98 to 327 SW (with the dampener, 324 without but I always play with on so I think 327 is my speck
Still not measured my Ezone 98, currently I am playing with leather grip and one overgrip on it. I tried putting also some tape in different places but didn't liked it. Can you tell me your tuning please?
@@manosparcharidis465 I tried a leather grip as well but couldn't quite get used to it. Currently I have around 6g at 3 and 9, and 3g in the handle. So 9g in total. Mainly added stability with moderate increase of SW
@@Gamertaaag thanks, it sounds very balanced setup, with less static weight than me but more swingweight. I need to try it, although I love the raw feel from the leather grip and the more head light setup.
How much gauge of the string changes swing weight? Like between 1,25 and 1,30?
dear T.N
i just wondering if it would be possible to talk about balance point for pro players and the relation of static,swing,and blance .best regards
Yes, his is important info for what style of play you have you can see what pro players do.
Are the swing weights shown on TW for strung or unstrung?
There's a graph in TW forum that shows relationship between swingweight & average ranks of atp/wta players, and it shows what you say here, the average is 330-ish, but the top top level, a bunch of top 5 used 345+ swingweight. And somehow it shows the higher the swingweight, the better rank you'd be. Just find it interesting, imho..
That list is going to change rapidly over the next decade or so, if things fall how they look to at the moment. Still, I'd like to take a look at that list as it sounds kind of interesting.
While lower swing weights aren't new, it is a more recent trend among younger players that are, in many cases, still developing their careers. And if you're talking top 5 you've had Nadal, Djokovic, and Medvedev in and around there in recent times for example all swinging above 350. I'd say their ranks have more to do with them as players and it just so happens that higher swing weights are something they've chosen and it works with what they've wanted to implement on the court (wasn't always the case with Nadal).
Outside of the three players mentioned, I know Ruud and Berretini have around 350ish swing weights. But largely they seem to be 345 and under at the top now. FAA 338 or something. Tsitsipas 340 something. Sinner 340. Alcaraz 328. Tiafoe 330. And notably these I've just mentioned here bar Berretini have light static weights compared to average when you include currently playing gens. Larger head sizes as well (I read tour average is 97 inches, but most players under a certain age use 98 to 100). And stiffer frames in many cases.
I suspect if someone has come up with a list of RA and rank, lower RA would be winning that over the years. Mid head sizes as well. Higher static Vs lower static. But again these things are changing.
Every equipment choice will boost something at the expense of something else. That even includes swing weight. It's a mix and match that ideally is tailored to you. And lower swing weights are quite obviously perfectly viable.
In matches Would like to go down in SW, I see a lot of players going for the Radical MP 2021 and a low SW
High swingweight is dangerous as fuck, especially if you enjoy to swing these rackets but are not used to If you re not careful and dont ramp up the SW gradually over long time you have a wrist, ellbow or shoulder injury. Been there and it took months to recover from pain and my wrist is still weak.
I am a 52 yr old intermediate player. Incam tell you that to hit consistently for 60 to 90 minutes the swing weight should be around 315 to 320 tops. My friends didn't believe me till they tried it. We were at 325+ and after the hour we were all beat and arms tired.
I’m a year younger, and since I can’t run around for much more than 90 minutes it hardly matters if I can swing the racket. That said I have just picked up an old Head iTour frame which is more in the spec you’re indicating and I’m excited to hit with it. Feels like it’s going to give me some extra RHS and not sacrifice too much stability despite being rather lower in swing weight and static weight than the rest of my bag.
I would love to see a match where Novak vs Rafa but they switch rackets
Me too! Fun concept for a pro tournament.
And a match played with off the shelf rackets (the ones they are painted to look like!) with no customisation, only their choice of string and tension just to see how much worse they played if at all.
@@jesoby Nadal would have advantage there as new pure aeros aren't a massive departure from his original (I think he even used a blacked out 2016 pure aero in a tournament years back, at a custom spec). Biggest thing would be dealing with the completely different specs and how that alters everything from the swing and timing to performance at contact (Nadals has a 360 swing weight for instance and is quite heavily polarised, meaning it would be more like a weighty whip) and adjusting to that. Djokovic on the other hand uses a completely different racket to the speed. Different mold. Different layup. Different head size. Different string pattern. It would be an even bigger drop in power than it would be for Nadal as well, as the speed pro he endorses despite being heavier (stock retail Vs pure aero) has lower hitting weight values (effective weight at contact with different points of stringbed) in terms of effective area, meanwhile Djokovics actual racket is an absolute beast. Both guys though would need to make up for lost power with extra swing speed. I'm sure they'd do just that and they'd still be hitting awesome shots and having great rallies.
Would be fun/interesting.
They're incredible players though so they'd still play well, even if there's an adjustment period. Well as in they'd still look awesome but they for sure wouldn't play anywhere near as well as they do with their setups. Not necessarily because they're better, but that they're used to their setups and they've come to those specs on purpose. As an example, Djokovic is an absolute master at redirecting power/heavy shots with precision. His setup is perfect for that. A stock retail head speed pro is not.
Simple rule : If you add weight at 12 o'clock, add the same amount to the handle to counter balance. Personnally, I also add a little bit of weight to the throat, it makes the racquet feel less hollow. It is surprinsing what swingweight you can use, I'm 5'10, 175 lbs and I added 14g at 12 o clock, 4 grams in the throat and 14g in the handle on a Head Prestige Pro 2019 (now called the tour) It still feels maneuverable, we can adapt easier than we think! I bumped the tension to 60 pounds with Solinco Outlast 16g because such weight will give you lost of power and comfort because you are now winning the collision with the ball.
Pretty simple reason. Form follows function. Today’s strokes are much more vertical and whippier than before, and so people are loosening up their poly stringbed, getting a launch from it, and control the ball’s flight-path by whipping it.
Interestingly enough I’ve seen that both Rublev and Federer have lower SWs, and they both plow the ball quite horizontally.
Then there’s Cerundolo… Gotta love the old-school specs!
Roger varied a lot, he played with a lot of spin though.. Flatter shots on the rise or attack.. Rafa is more lift.. Different.. But have you seen Rogers arm.. He turns that around as a 300 gr for most players.. His swingweight is quite high, 350gr unstrung.. Check his spec vid
Doesn't even lighter racquets lead to wrist problems later on?
It can do! But it depends on how you strike the ball and what string you use
how much can we rely on measuring swingweight by app calculator? do you ever measure the difference between calculating and measuring by machine?!
there is an app which name is tennis swing calculator for android
For example this app shows swing weight for my racket 352. the details of the racket is 360 gram total, 32cm balance,27 inch length
I haven't used the manual method in a while, but it should work okay, although not as exact. There are some cheaper swing-weight tools out there on the market.
First! Nice insight btw
Thanks 👊🏻
What's the specs on djockos Raquett?
there is a video about the Djokovic frame on the channel, I don't know them by heart
They don’t need higher sW because they rely on the power of the racket
I'm glad that your new videos don't do this but the background music is horribly distracting.
Y put music man, your voice is beautiful #nohomo
Haha thanks! Wanted to make it more engaging :)
@@Tennisnerd it was distracting for me
I am wondering what Swingweight Magnus Carlsen uses.
Exactly, I was wondering what opening Nadal will use in the Australian Open.
@@motomtl9314 Dragon defence.
@@Yardehardedar The spin variation
I think us amateurs should go even lower than pros, mainly because they are professional athletes and receive a much heavier ball from the opponent, we dont need that much mass!!
Good point
how Ivashka play with 306 swing weight!!???
Maybe unstrung
@@vanodne yeah, i didn't see the comment on the video!
Unstrung
@@Tennisnerd Still, that seems quite low for a PT57A using pro? Interesting… He certainly hammers the ball, so must have crazy mechanics!
.. get rid of the irritating background noise!
Let’s add up how many slams have been won by players under 350 vs over 350.
Maybe these old heads are on to something…
Federer won a few and tennis is changing
@@Tennisnerd debatable. Many sources say he played the majority of his career with right around 350. 345 is the lowest estimate I've ever seen.
as for the tennis is changing, yeah it is and it's getting worse. These young guys can't beat guys in their mid to late 30s.
All congrats to Med at US Open 2021, however, he's using a swing weight at 350+ as well.
Alcaraz won US Open 2022, but one glaringly large asterisk there... No actual confirmed swing weights from him either unless we trust the babolat sales rep on the forums.
@@Tennisnerd fed is close enough to 350 by all accounts to be considered in the 350 plus club.
@@curttheboywonder a 350 swing weight and its end result as far as performance goes varies from racket to racket.
So an old 85 inch pro staff with a 350 swing weight isn't the same as a Pure Aero with a 350 swing weight even if the static, balance, RA etc are matched.
This is because different variables with a racket impact its effective hitting weight, not static, at different points on the stringbed. So a modern Pure Aero VS, which Alcaraz supposedly uses relatively close to stock specs, hits like a heavier racket. This is important to note here when talking about swing weights at a lower limit of 350 in your mind being acceptable. One big point when it comes to a higher swing weight is to better win the battle of ball Vs racket at your contact point, and modern rackets quite often make this easier to do with lighter overall specs than with more traditional rackets. Lighter setups bring their own benefits, like additional time on the ball. Swing speed can also make up for loss of power from the setup as well, depending on various factors.
You've also got different generations. So what worked in the 90s isn't necessarily entirely relevant to what works now. So you'd have to go with recent results, which even then perhaps isn't entirely fair seeing how the best players to ever play the game are still playing quite well (bar Fed who's retired). And all we know right now is that many of the young players pushing through are using lighter specs than older generations. You can argue all you want whether that's a good or bad thing, but that's going down a subjective path. Like it or not, in 10 + years, unless newer generations change the tone again, which is of course totally possible, most top players and slam winners will be using fairly light specs. That will of course change the data here re slam winners and swing weights, static weights etc. But one player is one player. What works for that one player may or may not reflect equipment trends in his or her time. And the point there is that trends are one thing but what ultimately works for you is another, and they won't necessarily match up.
I'd say most would agree though that the reason the younger guys haven't broken through enough at the slams isn't really down to their rackets but their heads. Possibly also actual talent as well. No offense to Tsitsipas etc but Nadal and Djokovic are just better players, even in their mid thirties. It's been the same way with every gen that's come since the big 3 have been a thing, and I'd even say this new era of younger players have some of the best non big 3 guys I've seen since the arrival of the big 3. Furthermore, the first player I've seen since their arrival all those years ago that looks to have the potential to reach an even somewhat comparable level, which by no means he will achieve it, is Alcaraz, who to our knowledge uses a very light spec.
@@sjjapp This is all based on one guy, supposedly using a racquet mostly stock. Which could be completely untrue.
Everyone said Nick K used a stock ezone XI and now there are pictures circulating with gobs of lead under the head bumper showing from when he smashed one to bits... We'll just have to wait and see with Alcaraz.
Studies show that as racquet weight increases, swing speed barely decreases. Doubling a 300ish gram racquet to 600 grams slows down the average swing by about 25 percent.
Even on big shots pros are rarely swinging a racquet over 85 mph if ever. It's not like guys with light racquets are swinging at 100 mph and guys with heavy racquets are at 60 mph. It's all basically the same max racquet swing speed. Perhaps a lighter racquet can reach it's ultimate velocity faster than a heavier one. But by the end of the stroke they're all moving roughly the same speed. Force = mass x acceleration. with acceleration being similar, more mass means more force.
Of course the racquet doesn't make the player and these young guys are failing all on their own. Still fun to point out that we shouldn't be looking to follow the trends of the generation that can't defeat geriatrics.