Hive Body Rotation 2024 S8E5
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- Опубликовано: 2 мар 2024
- Important method of rotating your hive bodies before spring arrives.
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After thinking about the smell in that hive 99, I got to thinking I should have looked close at the brood to look for signs of AFB or EFB. This could have been the cause of the smell if the brood is dying in the cells. From what I know abbout EFB, it usually shows up when it's very humid, when the spores can survive better, and is much more manageable than AFB. We haven't had a lot of rain recently, so it's not been that humid. AFB is bad news and is treatable, but usually comes back. There's different regulations state to state on AFB and the treatment of it. Burning the hive or hitting it with radiation is the best way to get rid of AFB. Also, I checked 2 more hives with those same hive tools, so that's something to be aware of as well. I'll get out there today and do a close inspection of that brood to see if I can detect any disease.
Foul odor is brood disease. Dead larvae smells bad. EFB is a spring disease when the colony is tasked with feeding lots of brood and nutrition is not abundant or diverse. It has nothing to do with humidity. Sugar syrup 1:1 is also useful to help with EFB. Bees perfer nectar to feed larvae vs the overwintered honey or syrup. They have to collect water to dilute the honey so they can use it. Honey mixed with water ferments quickly, bad. Syrup is something that is easy to provide, which also stimulates hygienic behavior, something that is needed to treat EFB.
I think you don't have to worry about AFB. It does stink like something dead but brood frames are not full sheets.. they have holes from bees trying to pull out the stinky liquid that used to be larva.
If you look at the comb at an angle from the top down you should see dry remains of that dry larva on the bottom two sides (walls) of that cell
Did you delete my comment?
@@sidelinerbeekeeperit's there. You have to go on the video and than the comments.. there are two opinions over.. most popular and newest. Go to newest. Maybe it's different words.. I'm on a different language.. but you will see it
Regarding AFB looks at the Beekeeper in Australia the old man he is funny also
Great video, I appreciate your step by step explanation.
Thanks Shane. I appreciate you dropping in and commenting.
Nice to hear from you
Everything looking great at your place. I’m pulling mine back some this week. Going to split a few into singles. I am trying to replace my screened bottoms this year. Like the solid bottoms better also. Great video. Thanks and take care.
Hey Geezbeez. Yeah I got some used screened bottoms for cheap. lol. I might super up this weekend. Rebids are about to pop. Good luck.
I can see why that queen would lay all the way to the one side, seeing as that was the end hive. It for sure would be warmer on the side that has another hive next to it. They're pretty smart!
I hear you about the weather! I am on kid watch this week and I am dealing with a lot of mud! Makes the chores and caring for my expectant does more difficult. I have a plan for fixing the worst area, but it's pretty expensive, unless my friend can find a cheaper material source (he thinks he can).
Hi HHH yeah that’s the south side and the cold wind hits from the north. I got them centered up for spring. Hopefully they are growing fast now. Thanks for watching.
The one queen was knocking it out the park with wall to wall brood. She may be looking to the trees if she keeps growing like that. The early big hive scare me sometimes , I hate swarming lol
Hey Kajun. Yeah there’s a few out there like that. If I can catch it I split them up and fill in the empty spots with swarm cell splits. Hopefully I can stay on top of it this year. They got away from me last year.
Darren, you had a good day finding queens. Looks like your third hive will take off soon but I would put a gallon baggie to help them draw comb and catch up. Hope you had a good weekend.
Hey Russell. Yeah I did what I could with the time I had. I had to put sugar cakes on the last one. Ran out of fondant. Hope alls well. Take care.
Very instructive video Darren. I went through exactly the same thing yesterday, and your video validated/corrected what I did. Thank you
Hi gecko. Glad it was helpful. I wish I could have got into them a couple weeks earlier. Thanks for watching.
I hope that hive 99 has thrown the curse of 13.
Hey Mark. Let’s hope so. I don’t think I’ve gotten any harvest from there that I can ever remember.
Great video. I looked at my bee in edmond yesterday and they were looking great. On my biggest hive i put a honey supper.
Hi Jennifer. Yeah there’s some nectar flow out there. Good plan and good luck.
Great video. You have good ground cover and I didn't notice any dead bees on the ground. I have noticed before where a lot of old winter bees come out and die at the same time. That can produce a bad smell as well.
Hi Joseph. Yeah I was thinking I’d see a pile of dead bees in there but not so. The brood looked good too. Strange. I’ll keep an eye on them for sure. Thanks for watching.
good to see it is time for you to rotate boxes Darren, about 1 month early for me to do that, I always replace all my bottom boards when I rotate boxes. I will take a torch and do a fast sterilization on the old bottom boards and repaint them for the next year. happy bee keeping buddy. 😎😎
Hi billyboy. Yeah that’s some good advice. Those bottoms are the first to rot. Extra paint will be a good thing. Good luck!
You are my favorite Oklahoma bee keeper. When do you plan to put honey supers on? I’m always worried about the queen getting isolated below the queen excluder at this time of year.
Hey MWZ. good to hear from you. I try to put them on when the redbuds start to bloom, which is right now here. Things seem earlier than last year by about two weeks, which last year was early by about two weeks. lol I broke apart my super stacks Monday thinking I would put them on this weekend, but too cold. As soon as it warms up again, I'll get the excluders and supers on. Thanks so much for dropping in.
I’ve been curious if soaking the wood part of the frames in wood bleach (Oxalic acid) per the instructions if they would clean up the wood part of the frames. I’m not sure if any spores could be carried over on the wood part of the frames. Thanks for sharing! I hope 99 is okay.
Hi. Brian. I’m not sure on that. I have never had any foul brood disease that I’m aware of. I’m keeping an eye on them when I can. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for sharing. The last hive that was the smallest, did you feed them only had sugar and no pollen patties? Maybe that's why they didn't grow as fast as the other 2? When you moved the main brood box down, why did you not use a queen excluder?
Hi Kenneth. I only use excluders on my honey supers. That top box will be brood and honey for next winter. I did feed them sugar cakes and no pollen painter this video. That may be the difference. Thanks for watching
When you said it smelled bad but didn't see any dead bees my first thought was AFB. I really hope thats not the case here. 🤞🤞
Hi Dijon. I smelled it in a couple others as well. I think they are getting some funky nectar. They looked fine on inspection. I’ll keep an eye on them for sure.
@@JeromeBeeFarm Maybe some of the over wintered pollen went bad. Rancid goldenrod possibly.
I'm thinking now it was bradford pear nectar. They stink about the same funky smell. They are/were in full bloom at the time, and some of the other trees hadn't started yet.
@@JeromeBeeFarm Ohhh....that makes sense. I call them shrimp trees😁 . There are 9 on my property and at least 20 on a neighbors property. I'm going to go give my hives a sniff later. 😄 I really hope thats the reason for your stinky hives.
I take the bottom boxes out of the equation because they are always the oldest wax in the yard and I rotate with a clean box with starter strips and a couple frames of comb. This is how I rotate out old wax.
Hey bloke. I put eyes on most of the ones I cull. More work, but less frames to deal with later. That’s a whole other job recycling those frames. lol. Thanks for watching.
@@JeromeBeeFarmNaa thank you for posting. I don't even look at them they all go into the pot frames and all, then onto a draining frame above the pot, I don't use plastic at all, so all my frames have wax foundation. I had a degree in polymer chem among other things and I don't like the thought of old plastics in the hives. The polymer breaks down releasing plasticizer into the wax. Wax is like a sponge and absorbs chemicals easily.
Surprised you added pollen patties when they already had 4-5 frames of pollen. I had EFB once early in spring... the brood pattern in my hive looked terrible but your hive/brood pattern looked good and solid. Looks like good populations as well in the first two hives! Your asking a lot of that smaller hive... they are already small and you just asked them to draw out foundation frames in addition to trying to grow in size... will you be feeding them to help with all that?? Iching to get into my hives but too cool still so twiddling thumbs.
Hi Nancy. I think it’s some funky nectar. I smelled it in two others on the north end. Strange. I’m keeping an eye on them. Yeah that third one #15 was pretty small. I’m counting on the nectar flow. I might give them a brood frame later as well when I’m in to swarm prevention mode. Happy spring!
Hello Hello it good to see you have the rotation out of the way . There is another person I watch an he just had AFB problem in one yard of his he had to burn 10 out of 40 hives . What I understand in the radiation treatment it is very hi price to do that but never heard the amount for it . I do not think I would take that chance I think if I ever had to deal with that I would just go ahead an do the burning an then set an cry 😢. On my colonies I have never done any of the rotating because I run the deep an medium brood setup an luckily they have always went down. (Knock on wood) to the deep. I have already had to add a super on most of my colonies just to give room because they have got so big in the last two weeks an checking today I have found a LOT of drones so it is looking like I am going to have to go to second or third gear . Last year with our bees getting going so early I was splitting hives the second week of February an this year it is looking like it will be probably around two to three weeks from now . Hope you have a good week. Thanks
Hi Kathy. Fifer I did a few more rotations I smelled that same smell and the brood looked healthy, so I think it’s some funky smelling nectar. I’ve never smelled it before though is what is so strange. I’ll keep an eye on them for sure. Thanks for the nice comments.
that last hive i would just leave in a single deep. i dont think defending that space with the foundation is a problem, its that they are loosing a lot of heat up into that empty space, and with the sugar way up on top, thats more distance they have to travel for food. i would agree that your original assessment of reducing them is probably the right one.
Hey T2f. Yeah I would have if the flow wasn’t about to happen. There’s some decent forage now and tenure about to pop. Weather is much warmer now too.
@JeromeBeeFarm oh wow really? Where are guys at that flow is near? I'm in NY and we're still a month out. Although, with this nice ish weather we've had, I poked into some and they got 2 or 3 frames of brood cooking. I'm ready to get back to working bees!
Things are running at least two weeks ahead this year. Very mild end of winter. Redbuds are almost blooming now. I will probably start supering this weekend.
I will put 2 frames with honey on and some honey on plastic bag , but if you don’t hopefully will be OK
Hey Filip. Yeah if I had honey frames I’d give them some. Fruit trees in bloom now, so they will be getting that. Thanks for watching.
Qurious why you put pollen patties on that colony that already had so much pollen. Were you just trying to use the up?
Hi Ben. Yeah I need to use them up, plus they have a lot of beneficial nutrients in them that boosts the hive.
Hey Darren, enjoyed your video. I'm coming out of my 3rd winter. I have never rotated deeps in the Spring. Do you think it reduces swarming or helps the population grow faster? Curious to what benefit you get from it. Thanks!
Hey Emil. It probably helps some with swarming because it gives them more space up top to expand. The biggest benefit is it will put a brood box of honey on top for winter. Thanks for working.
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What is the point of adding patties with so much pollen in the hive?
Hey Jack. I need to use them up and these patties have a lot of beneficial nutrients besides just pollen. Thanks for watching.
Why put on pollen patties when the bees are bringing in pollen?
It gives them a boost. The Ultra bee patties have other probiotics that natural pollen doesn't have that can ensure better health, if the bees decide they don't need it they won't eat it. It also stimulates more brood rearing as there is more available resources. Resource levels influences how much brood the bees can take care of. The Queen will not lay brood if survival odds to full maturity are low.
Hey Slava. Like David says these patties have a lot of beneficial nutrients other than pollen and I have plenty I need to use up. Thanks for watching.
I don't believe AFB is treatable
Not really, there is Terramycin (oxytetracycline)It is the only drug approved for use against American Foul Brood. When present in
the food given to susceptible larvae this antibiotic is effective in preventing germination of AFB spores. The
bees are then able to develop and mature normally. Terramycin will not kill the spores and is not a means for
sterilizing either the bees or the equipment. If a colony contains AFB spores and is maintained in a healthy
condition through treatment with terramycin, the disease will recur when the drug treatment is discontinued.
Hi Ed. I’ve read both ways. I think it depends on the state you live in. I think AFB is pretty rare. EFB is more common. Thanks for watching