Saenchai On The State Of Muay Thai

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  • Опубликовано: 14 фев 2019
  • Learn from Legends: www.legendarystriking.com
    This documentary features a historic transition of the most historic building in Muay Thai. "Lumpini" was filmed when the old Lumpinee Stadium was closing the new Lumpinee Stadium was being built, and Saenchai headlined both events.
    He offered his candid but troubling thoughts on the state of Muay Thai. The same opinion is echoed by other all time great legends such as Samart Payakaroon and Somrak Khamsing.
    Since the filming of this documentary, there are changes happening to grow Muay Thai internationally. "Old Style" Muay Thai, as Saenchai laid out, has less interference in international bouts than in stadium bouts.
    Support Muay Thai and the Lumpini documentary: vimeo.com/ondemand/lumpini/
    So much of Muay Thai is highlighted in this film that took years to complete. Learn the history and spread the information if you want something like this to ever be created again.
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  • @LawrenceKenshin
    @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +85

    This documentary features a historic transition of the most historic building in Muay Thai. "Lumpini" was filmed when the old Lumpinee Stadium was closing the new Lumpinee Stadium was being built, and Saenchai headlined both events.
    He offered his candid but troubling thoughts on the state of Muay Thai. The same opinion is echoed by other all time great legends such as Samart Payakaroon and Somrak Khamsing.
    Since the filming of this documentary, there are changes happening to grow Muay Thai internationally. "Old Style" Muay Thai, as Saenchai laid out, has less interference in international bouts than in stadium bouts.
    Support Muay Thai and the Lumpini documentary: vimeo.com/ondemand/lumpini/
    So much of Muay Thai is highlighted in this film that took years to complete. Learn the history and spread the information if you want something like this to ever be created again.
    If you'd like to learn more about the history and technique of legendary fighters, also consider checking out my new book: www.LegendaryStriking.com

    • @PonChalice
      @PonChalice 5 лет назад

      legalise headbutts and get rid of the gloves... i would love to hear your take on lethwei

    • @Singular121
      @Singular121 5 лет назад

      @@PonChalice I dont think legalise headbutt is a good idea and neither wearing no glove which will later on legalise biting in the fight.
      Muay Thai at present is brutal enough.

    • @r1mzy
      @r1mzy 5 лет назад

      BroTher are you Thai boxer?

    • @Singular121
      @Singular121 5 лет назад

      @@r1mzy I think he is a Burmese.

    • @214warzone
      @214warzone 5 лет назад

      This reminds me of the time when Till threw the fight against Woodley. Combat sports can be a joke sometimes.

  • @fkin8shyt
    @fkin8shyt 5 лет назад +222

    It's crazy how the greats like Saenchai, Samart, Somrak, & even Deiselnoi who was primarily known for his clinch fighting, all agree on the state of Muay Thai. Samart's even gone as far as saying that foreigners are doing a better job of keeping the art alive. Like everything else in the world, corruption destroys the beauty in things.

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +19

      fkin8shyt yes corruption is never good as itself, but it forces action from those who want better

    • @thejoojoo9999
      @thejoojoo9999 5 лет назад +2

      But I don’t understand. What is happening to Muay Thai ? In what way is it getting worse ?
      Because of the clinch ? Is there really more clinch than before ? And is it a bad thing ?

    • @christrickett3291
      @christrickett3291 5 лет назад +5

      I guess, from my semi-informed perspective, leaving aside the gambling side of it, if Muay Thai is really to survive, that is, in an ever more global world, it has to be seen to be competing against MMA and the likes of BJJ etc, which is why it 'has to' adapt, otherwise some will see it as like kung fu, pretty but less effective. Correct me if I am wrong, of all the specific martial arts it is probably the best, but these days it has to compete with mixed discipline styles where the fight favours those with a ground game as well as a range of strikes. Like I said, what do I know, I started Muay Thai in February, but in my club, which has a focus on MMA, the best fighters say they use Muay Thai less than 40% in a real contest fight as it has too many gaps to be ultimately effective against other things.

    • @PRSer
      @PRSer 5 лет назад +41

      @@christrickett3291 Muay Thai today has transitioned into mostly strong physical techniques and almost devoid of style. Clinching neutralizes most strikes, flair, creativity and diversity of styles. It's like wrestling takes away a boxer's weapons. It becomes boring simply because everyone fights like that and it's become a physical strength contest rather than anything technical. Then the promoters and gamblers also get to dictate the flow and even the outcome of the matches behind the scenes.
      It's hard for people outside to understand the deep complexities of Muay Thai and it's layers embedded in Thai culture, tradition and society.
      A lot of Thai fighters embody the true spirit of a warrior and fighter. They train and fight with almost zero financial gain for themselves but to truly represent themselves and chasing glory in the art they love so much.
      MMA is mostly a sport with elements of entertainment mixed in to make a show. It's very effective as a combat sport but Muay Thai for the Thais is part of Thailand and it's history. It is part of them. They want the full glory and art of Muay Thai to remain intact and not lost or degrade due to the effects of greed.

    • @edwardfarmer4230
      @edwardfarmer4230 4 года назад +2

      @@LawrenceKenshin Well said Sir !

  • @archieandlittlebear8812
    @archieandlittlebear8812 5 лет назад +116

    This is really sad you can see the passion when they speak, I watched a similar doco with samart and they basically saying the same thing that the head promoters and gamblers are ruining the sport and making it near impossible for small gyms to compete.

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +10

      somrak too mate

    • @archieandlittlebear8812
      @archieandlittlebear8812 5 лет назад +3

      @@LawrenceKenshin yep I love fighting and watching Muay Thai but it isn't my sole income nor have I had to watch the sport slowly decline all for greed. Will be a sad sad day when the big fights are no longer in Thailand it's starting to happen already (though I love when Thai fighters come to Australia)

  • @McFlubberpants
    @McFlubberpants 5 лет назад +28

    A similar thing happened with Tae Kwon Do became an olympic sport. With the introduction of the electronic armor the focus became almost entirely on speed, when traditional Tae Kwon Do was more about power development.

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +3

      McFlubberpants it was powerful

    • @suhribzevolution645
      @suhribzevolution645 3 месяца назад

      ผมเพิ่งรู้นะเนี่ยว่าเทควันโดก็มีแบบนั้นด้วย

  • @patthai4669
    @patthai4669 5 лет назад +70

    This is why Thai fighters try to go international. It's more respectable and pays better. It also opens up opportunities to host seminars etc. If only Thai fighters can realise that if they learn BJJ and wrestling they can be just as good in MMA as they are in Muay Thai, they could make it far in places like the UFC, thats my goal as a Thai fighter. I want to make it in MMA and show other Thai's that Muay Thai is not the end of the road.

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +19

      it's true, but they need proper infrastructure to learn BJJ, and only a few can provide. Times will change soon enough.

    • @motorcitysmitty
      @motorcitysmitty 5 лет назад +19

      How much of their Muay Thai skills would they sacrifice to become competitive in the UFC, though. The art is already dying, it needs to be brought back, not fade off into the sunset.

    • @Dylaneilton62
      @Dylaneilton62 5 лет назад +1

      Keep talking about MMA xD.

    • @PRSer
      @PRSer 5 лет назад +9

      I think muay thai is the king of combat sports especially in Thailand. I'm saying that as a huge fan and student of mma. Most Muay Thai fighters have incomparable fight records because they've been fighting hard since young. They just train hard with no fancy western sport science stuff then show up and fight. Even with MMA, it's the ones who's willing to engage in a striking war who get the most cheers.

    • @NeborP820
      @NeborP820 5 лет назад +1

      there are types of muaythai.
      1 is for war and another is for stage. thai people wont teach it easily to foreigner as it is treasurous. just like real gung fu, nobody will give it away easily.
      if you watch how thai fighters sweep the leg and take down then you are done after you are on the floor. no need to learn bjj.
      no art is the best, every arts are good in their own way, so it depends how much you can culticate.

  • @motorcitysmitty
    @motorcitysmitty 5 лет назад +54

    If you ask most Thais what their national sport is, it’s not Muay Thai. The overwhelming majority will acknowledge that it’s gambling.

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +2

      Mike Smithson 😔

    • @motorcitysmitty
      @motorcitysmitty 5 лет назад +3

      Lawrence Kenshin It’s an interesting Catch-22 isn’t it? Does gambling exist to support Muay Thai or does Muay Thai exist to support gambling?

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +2

      Mike Smithson it will change

    • @francisvazquez13
      @francisvazquez13 3 года назад +3

      Gambling is embedded in not only Thai, but Asian culture..

    • @muayboran6111
      @muayboran6111 2 года назад

      football actually, and I will say I have no problem throwing football in the trash

  • @lucag.b.5994
    @lucag.b.5994 5 лет назад +1

    @Lawrence Kenshin huge thanks for the amazing content that you deliver on such a regular base. your work is exceptional and gets far less attention than it deserves

  • @KrisDonut
    @KrisDonut 5 лет назад +6

    Love your content. I train Muay Thai and this is a side of Muay Thai that I did not know existed.

  • @valegendre
    @valegendre 4 года назад +2

    Thank you great content as always ,you got all my gratitude for what you do to try to get muaythai recognized.also speaking about what very few people talk about ,the state if muaythai IN Thailand and how it is changing for the worst and the best.i got mad respect for your work.👍

  • @EricHostile
    @EricHostile 5 лет назад

    Just finished the Documentary, it was very good but also sad. Amazing though! Thank you for the upload!!

  • @jac9963
    @jac9963 5 лет назад

    Thankyou, once again, my brother. A truly excellent document on the beautiful and powerful art of Muay Thai.
    Shout out to all fellow Nak Muay out there, upon the Path. Onward and upward, my brothers and sisters.
    Walk in peace.

  • @BrainFuck10
    @BrainFuck10 5 лет назад +1

    Awesome video! The music is on point!

  • @micahudeh5929
    @micahudeh5929 5 лет назад +12

    This is sad. I began learning about old school muay thai and i love it more than the new school. It has so much more variation of technique and strategy.

  • @Thabooka
    @Thabooka 5 лет назад +1

    thanks for sharing!

  • @grumpyae86
    @grumpyae86 5 лет назад +2

    Great work Lawrence.

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад

      thx for the support, check out the documentary vimeo.com/ondemand/lumpini/

  • @KingAnime101
    @KingAnime101 5 лет назад +2

    This really helped me understand Muay Thai even more. I fucking love you bro!

  • @MISTERPERFECT3806
    @MISTERPERFECT3806 5 лет назад +5

    Truly eye opening. I love the sport of Muay Thai and it really is a shame that gambling and corruption is dictating the fights. And as much as I appreciate the clinch and all it's aspects, I disagree that it should score higher than outside fighting. Great video, Lawrence.

  • @motorcitysmitty
    @motorcitysmitty 5 лет назад +28

    Could not agree more with Saenchai’s assessment. If you watch fights from the 90’s Golden Era and then watch now, the skill level is pretty sad in comparison. Maybe gambling should be eliminated or there could be fight venues built where gambling is not permitted?

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +5

      Mike Smithson there are organizations where gambling has no influence 👍

    • @motorcitysmitty
      @motorcitysmitty 5 лет назад +7

      Lawrence Kenshin but do they have decent size purses that are competitive as the big stadiums?

    • @kabukicho3009
      @kabukicho3009 5 лет назад

      Only ignorant know nothings think this is true.

    • @kabukicho3009
      @kabukicho3009 5 лет назад

      @closeedge01 okay just becausevyour ognorant means what exactly?

    • @francisvazquez13
      @francisvazquez13 3 года назад

      Gambling in Asian cultures will never disapeared or controlled..Sindicates control it to the core..sad..

  • @awesomeempoleon
    @awesomeempoleon 5 лет назад

    Awesome stuff 👍👍

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад

      cheers, check out the documentary vimeo.com/ondemand/lumpini/

  • @cormacbobertson4732
    @cormacbobertson4732 5 лет назад +5

    Lawrence Thank You again!!!
    My Very Oriental Man !!!

  • @seanhiggs6608
    @seanhiggs6608 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the good work you do, I read your free download of legendary striking and you sir are a blessing, the information is so in depth and helpful for studying the greats and trying to apply to anyone's game whether it be amateur to professional everyone can pick up something, as an aspiring martial artist and hopeful amateur thank you Lawrence kenshin maybe one day you will do a breakdown of my contribution to the fighting world

  • @andreesj9589
    @andreesj9589 Год назад

    thanks

  • @MrHeathcliff83
    @MrHeathcliff83 4 года назад

    i LOVE Muai BORAN... got introduced into it and fell in love. find a guy who knows the old school art. its in bjj (behring line) the same, or in judo (Hirano) ... the same... im so thankful to know the people i know.

  • @mrchrislikestolaugh
    @mrchrislikestolaugh 5 лет назад +57

    Thai fighter-“I bet you this video gets no dislikes”
    Thai Gambler-“ I’ll take that bet” *Click*

  • @brandonsaunders3871
    @brandonsaunders3871 5 лет назад

    Another great video created by you. Thanks

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад

      Brandon Saunders support the documentary 🙏🙏

  • @nestormarte817
    @nestormarte817 5 лет назад +2

    I prefer the golden Era by far. Had so many camps that specialized in different aspects of the art. The fighters themselves repenting that camps style.
    Also lots of techniques were allowed locks in the clinch, throws, plowing, 8 Oz gloves. 5x5 rounds. This why that era had so many great camps and fighters.🙏

  • @mrtubeo
    @mrtubeo 5 лет назад

    I am the 800th to like this. Yayy!

  • @morganlim4552
    @morganlim4552 2 года назад

    Born and raised in Southeast Asia, I took up Muay Thai and Silat lessons and saw the evolution of these arts, including Filipino Kali/Arnis/Escrima when I moved to the states. All martial arts are going through a transformation due to global exposure to multiple elements; different body types practicing the arts; Dutch fighters customized it to fit their physique, adding boxing to pure Muay Thai, the rise of MMA, and of course, the economics of gambling is going to dictate the execution of techniques to ensure practical outcomes rather than an expression of the art form.
    Similar to languages, for it to thrive, it needs to evolve, for a wide variety of reasons; practical, social, economic, cultural, etc. Just read the history of the English language and see how far it has evolved and continues to thrive globally.
    I don't fight for a living so it is of less impact to me from an economic perspective but from a purely martial arts perspective, I enjoyed putting together the flow of techniques borrowed from silat, kali, Muay Thai, western boxing, and fencing (I am still active in saber fencing) For me, it is the greatest time to practice martial arts because we have the freedom to pick and choose and create what works for us, individually.

  • @Beast12
    @Beast12 5 лет назад

    Here before 1k

  • @jayn8392
    @jayn8392 5 лет назад +2

    I do really wish the more traditional style of Muay Thai wasn't dying because it really is much more fun to watch. They use all sorts of crazy flying techniques like flying elbows, knees, crazy jumping kicks and superman style punches. If you haven't seen it doe yourself a favor and look it up, search for Muay Boran. Idk how many fights you will find but there are deff demonstrations that showcase some of the techniques. Seanchi is very good at the traditional style with all the crazy acrobatic attacks.

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +3

      he's a great fusion of the old style and the new style for sure

  • @alterego2354
    @alterego2354 5 лет назад

    What's the background music? I want to listen to it when I train haha

  • @johnnysnakes27
    @johnnysnakes27 2 года назад

    What is the song in the end of this trailer?! I must know!

  • @lucasatrox
    @lucasatrox 5 лет назад +65

    clinching with the big gloves is a waste of way, it get inthe way, muay thai should change to only use small MMA gloves, them clinching will be more active.

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +54

      you mean One Championship? :)

    • @lucasatrox
      @lucasatrox 5 лет назад +28

      @@LawrenceKenshin yeap, i think ONE way of doing Muay Thai fights should be de standard, i think a video about that would be cool Lawrence

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +27

      @@lucasatrox i can try mate

    • @ThaiPride101
      @ThaiPride101 5 лет назад +8

      Check out “Thai Fight” on youtube. All the elite level muay thai fighters fight in this event with either regular gloves or the traditional rope hand wraps. A lot of Muay Boran techniques are displayed here too. Check it out!

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +3

      Bank Soikum 👍👍

  • @user-xc2or1vb5o
    @user-xc2or1vb5o 4 года назад

    Top Muay Thai legends

  • @Chandasouk
    @Chandasouk 5 лет назад +18

    Saenchai AKA Mr. Anybody Can Get It

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +2

      yes sir

    • @mistaperfekt
      @mistaperfekt 5 лет назад +1

      MexiCANS, DominiCANS, puerto riCANS

    • @harageilucid4352
      @harageilucid4352 5 лет назад +2

      AmeriCANS

    • @omegasquad868
      @omegasquad868 5 лет назад

      @@@mistaperfekt just NO Dutch lmao

    • @omegasquad868
      @omegasquad868 5 лет назад

      lol hes almost like Floyd Mayflower in Boxing a master at not getting hit too much and only scoing points wins he has a KO ratio of only 12.4% so most of his 41 losses were by pressure fighters who knew he does not have much pop in his strikes

  • @r1mzy
    @r1mzy 5 лет назад +2

    Pound For Pound King Of Muay Thai " SAENCHAI "

  • @tomboxe6627
    @tomboxe6627 5 лет назад

    Always nice videos. Would you make a video about the straight left punch to the body. A signature thai move. It would be good to have some explanation

  • @Vmeen08
    @Vmeen08 3 года назад

    Damn... Somrak is the former coach of Saenchai?? Wow!

  • @azimpetra
    @azimpetra 5 лет назад +3

    Somehow this triggered an emotion. I felt like betting for the fighter and giving the winning money to them.
    That and I’m not a gambler but yeah.
    Also, i believe that it’s not just Muay Thai that’s losing their styles, all of martial arts are losing/exhanging their old ways to a more mainstream style.
    For example, Silat, i know most of you are gonna call it shit art but it didnt use to be that way.
    The current Silat is actually more towards scoring points instead of a combination of takedowns and parry since the main killing tool is a Keris.
    Kinda like ninjas for SEA. Not those roof top ninjas cause we barely have any permanent structures. Its all villages.
    Edit:
    By scoring points, i mean the:
    -First hit wins a point and reset
    -First takedown/sweep wins a point and reset.
    -First to X point win the match. Like 3 to 5 points were the ones available.
    Seriously, I hated those resets. Basically Karate Kid style of match.
    Meanwhile the local non-competition ones were more focused on self defence(like jackie chan), it’s not in for the kill.

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад

      Azim Petra thx for ur thoughts

    • @zuhailishufller8046
      @zuhailishufller8046 5 лет назад

      Yeah, I did learn some competition Silat and what you said are very true. The real self defense form are very effective but in competition you can't use any of those self defense techniques. I have a Tomoi or Malayan version of Muay Boran which had a little bit of Silat influence since it was practice by Malayan people who practice Silat before. I'm did she me sparring and one of the senior members actually told me not to use a lot of Muay Thai or Tomoi techniques because it's too dangerous and not Silat looking style basically. Such a poor thing. But the one practice in the village or more traditional Silat are a lot more brutal even in training. Almost as brutal as traditional Muay Thai training very old school and no protective gear. Just muscles and bones and some of them got pretty nasty bruised after training. Once healed they keep training. That's how hardcore traditional training is.

  • @marcelboogaard5449
    @marcelboogaard5449 5 лет назад +5

    Been to the Lumpini twice in the 90’s two years apart. Second time I went you could see there was more going on outside the ring than inside. Gambling is a disease and a bad one at that. Why is it so bad in fight sport?

  • @FamilyFinancialCoach
    @FamilyFinancialCoach 5 лет назад +1

    So sad that traditional muay thai is dying out. People watch the golden era fighters and fall in love with muay thai. I don't think the current clinching style in the stadiums will inspire people the same way. I hope there always exist experts to teach the old style

    • @christrickett3291
      @christrickett3291 5 лет назад

      Perhaps there will, if they get enough students, and it may be up to us to keep them alive.

  • @eatit2694
    @eatit2694 3 года назад

    What’s the name of song at 7:15

  • @winneze1
    @winneze1 5 лет назад

    That's the reason why many fights in lumpinee they just clinched and did straight up boxing. Compared to those old muay thai fights. I'm kinda upset.

  • @creasedt-shirt2894
    @creasedt-shirt2894 2 года назад

    I know I'm dumb but what does he mean when he says that no opponent is as dangerous to fight as other thais?

  • @jithinpaul972
    @jithinpaul972 5 лет назад +68

    It's sad to kno that muay thai is changing.. That the gamblers r destroying the sport.

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +13

      information of truth leads to changes

    • @jithinpaul972
      @jithinpaul972 5 лет назад

      @@LawrenceKenshin so, is this change gud or bad?

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +5

      @@jithinpaul972 there are good things happening

    • @cormacbobertson4732
      @cormacbobertson4732 5 лет назад +6

      We keep up old school as much as we can here in Cork Muay Thai Ireland :) Best Regards!

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад

      @@cormacbobertson4732 cheers

  • @joed2525
    @joed2525 4 года назад

    How do we save Muay Thai?

  • @dischargesummary8794
    @dischargesummary8794 5 лет назад

    When in Thailand I like to watch live fighting on TV from Lumpini 👍

  • @kevinthomas7259
    @kevinthomas7259 3 года назад

    Buakaw is my favorite thai fighter of all time

  • @thewing331
    @thewing331 5 лет назад

    I love Senchai what a master. Money and greed ruin everything of deep value. I love your channel. Peace to all.

  • @italocavalodefogo1027
    @italocavalodefogo1027 5 лет назад

    Meu sonho é um dia ir na Tailândia

  • @chucknorris202
    @chucknorris202 5 лет назад +1

    I despise the clinch focused style of some of these fighters....Ive been training muay thai for 2 years and 2 months, and ongoing. I hope those gamblers get put into their place. We need technicians like Saenchai, that kind of style that is capable of everything, the most exciting, using punches and kicks and knees(from a range, or after a BRIEF clinch). What if they limited the clinch to 5 seconds? Or 10 seconds? Because I agree, some fighters can win just by bulldozing ahead, guarding against sweeps, take a punch or two on the way in, and knee you(or try to knee you) and barely even cause you damage and still win. Nong O is a great fighter too; I like his style. Plus he's orthodox, making it easier for me to see what he's doing, and I can borrow more easily from him than a southpaw like saenchai. Ive been watching Pornsanae sitmonchai fights, and Damien Trainor fights, lately. I like the use of punches with kicks, and punches as a primary damage dealer - and leg kicks are extremely effective. So are body kicks but those are much harder to land, you just lower your high guard and it gets blocked(with one you dont have much time to react to), or my favorite, grabbing the kicking leg while sidestepping and feeding them your own kick(or cross, or both).

  • @RedgraveGilver
    @RedgraveGilver 5 лет назад +1

    There is a reason why the 80's and 90's are called the golden age of Muay Thai. The best fighters of that day can still easily outclass the best muay thai fighters today.

  • @reathaso2844
    @reathaso2844 2 года назад +1

    et je présent mr so reatha est je pratique le muay thai et la boxe thaïlandais pour devenir un grand champion le médaille 🏅

    • @reathaso2844
      @reathaso2844 2 года назад

      ma question devenir un grand champion la boxe thaïlandais pour faire gagner médaille 🏅

  • @LorenzJimenez
    @LorenzJimenez 5 лет назад +1

    Maybe I just need to watch the complete film, but this short excerpt has me scratching my head. There seem to be two main thoughts expressed here: 1) gambling is perceived to be a problem; and 2) the predominant style in the major arenas is starting to favour the clinch more than the older, “traditional “ style. The way the clips are arranged, it’s obvious that the filmmakers are trying to create a causal link between the two, but there’s a missing part: exactly how does 1 lead to 2? Saenchai seems to imply that he would be afraid of losing to a clinch-style opponent if he fought in a traditional manner, and this would disappoint the gamblers. Assuming that the fights aren’t fixed and nobody intentionally fights to lose, doesn’t this say more about the effectiveness of a technique than it does about gambling? My read of this is that the old guard traditionalists miss the good old days and are propping up the boogeyman of gambling to make excuses as to why they are no longer effective in the ring. Based on my viewing of this excerpt and the way it is presented, it seems to me that rather than complaining and making excuses, Maui Thai fighters would be better served by figuring out how to avoid, counter, or embrace the new trend. In that context, I find this post to be rather ironic since much of the other content on this channel is how the introduction of a new technique led to innovation and overturning of “tradition” (e.g. low kicks in Muay Thai vs. Kickboxing).

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +1

      Hey mate, it’s the changing of scoring. If dumps score higher than other techniques, then they will not want to use the olden style techniques that used to score high. They have embraced the new trend, but they claim it’s killing the entertainment and aesthetics of the olden style, and that they can better express it internationally

    • @LorenzJimenez
      @LorenzJimenez 5 лет назад

      Lawrence Kenshin Good to know! That is a bit of background information that is entirely missing from the clip. Having said that, the very strong emphasis on the gambling-clinch connection in the clip really confuses the message and caused me to draw the conclusions that I did. So the crisis we’re considering here is the evolution towards a more clinch-based and less aesthetic style due to changes in the scoring system in the larger arenas (but not the smaller regional ones) in Thailand? Sounds like I need to watch the film to learn more about this. :)

    • @petertrzos6645
      @petertrzos6645 5 лет назад

      @@LawrenceKenshin but don't they just score everything subjectively anyways? I trained under Matee Jedeepitak, and that's what he told us, but he competed in the Golden Era and has been living in the US for maybe 20 years now.

  • @thejoojoo9999
    @thejoojoo9999 5 лет назад

    What do they mean exactly ? How does gambling change the fighting style ? Is clinching really such a bad thing ?
    Has the overall level of Muay Thai really lowered in the past decades ?
    Also, they say that clinching wasn’t so common back in the days and that clinching is a bad thing. But fighters like Dieselnoi were essentially only clinch fighters weren’t they ?
    I don’t really understand.

  • @user-zh5ti9xy4s
    @user-zh5ti9xy4s 5 лет назад +1

    สมรักษ์ คำสิงห์
    สามารถ พยัคฆ์-อรุณ
    พุฒ ล้อเหล็ก

  • @dorjedriftwood2731
    @dorjedriftwood2731 5 лет назад +11

    In the ufc big moves make a lot of money in ticket sales. All you would need to do is let people bet on the number of flying techniques etc. in a match or round and it would Change all it would take is a couple of bookies changing style. People always appreciate options if you give them something new to bet on they will appreciate it.

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад

      thx for feedback

    • @-magna-manoban7171
      @-magna-manoban7171 5 лет назад +4

      That cant be done here in thailand coz the stadium isn't the one who set and control the gambling system. There are gambling mafias that control it, they dont care about the sake of the sport.

    • @petertrzos6645
      @petertrzos6645 5 лет назад

      @@-magna-manoban7171 DorjeDriftwood is right.... the mafia loses if the sport dies, so they should diversify the things that are bet on in order to keep the sport, their cash cow, as healthy and productive as they can forever.

  • @06wrxRAR
    @06wrxRAR 5 лет назад

    soccer, wrestling, weight lifting, aerobatics & karate altogether helps to do muay thai

  • @mmatechniques2687
    @mmatechniques2687 5 лет назад

    Wow, someone mentioned to me that they get paid very little. But I thought that was just the more lower level fighters.then I find out saenchai's earnings. I always thought he would be rich

  • @edwardkoo8564
    @edwardkoo8564 5 лет назад

    Agree. The old Muay Thai fights are more better.

  • @ShoneDaddy
    @ShoneDaddy 5 лет назад

    How exactly does clinching favor gambling?

  • @cheeseburger7030
    @cheeseburger7030 3 года назад +1

    Man rlly Thankful to One championship for preserving the Muay Thai!

  • @pedrorivera8255
    @pedrorivera8255 5 лет назад

    How did gambling change the use of MT techniques?

  • @tototo6097
    @tototo6097 5 лет назад

    Gambling make muay Thai stronger. Decision Thai style make it beautiful. Like muay Thai old day till today.

  • @finneire2081
    @finneire2081 3 года назад

    When i first went to thailand in 2004
    MUAYTHAI was still the number 1 sport .
    Sadly it has been replaced by soccer

  • @-_-_-_8441
    @-_-_-_8441 4 года назад

    Wait I like seeing the clinching, is it really why the sport is 'fading'

  • @cd3121
    @cd3121 4 года назад

    I remember growing up in burriram thailand, the province of nong rong tueng saeng tong, very country side, whether ur poor, or rich, everyone in the thai culture bets or gambles, when it comes to muay thai an betting, (corruption) has always happen for years, its nothing new, i think its just sports in general, it will never change, u cant say it will get worse because its already put a mark on muay thai, u just shed light on something that people who think they know more thai dont really know more thai, its more to the 8limbs then just kicks an punches, world is one corrupt place overall.. its thai culture period, if you watch P-saenchai speak, he himself states the corruption side like he’s know its happen for years, to foreigners its an awesome art, for thais, its a job ..

  • @TheTwsa
    @TheTwsa Год назад

    but do Sanchai actually have any real power according to thais?
    I think westerners, I am westerner, may say, that ohhh he have so much power, but pls. somebody with abilities input on this question, thanks.
    Lawrence, what do thais say about Sanchais power or ability to powergeneration?

  • @mrbale1815
    @mrbale1815 5 лет назад

    To me Saenchai is amazing because he's been a fighter of the year 99, and 08 which is astonishing, considering these pro fighters last less than 5 years at their level. And he is still in the game.B-hop of muay thai.

  • @TactlessGuy
    @TactlessGuy 5 лет назад

    4:12 Was that Somrak on the right?

  • @theovermansailor5519
    @theovermansailor5519 5 лет назад

    The Lionel Messi of striking

  • @babycxub6198
    @babycxub6198 4 года назад

    อยากดุคลิบแสนชัย.พ.ส.2537-8ครับ

  • @Wolvihua
    @Wolvihua 4 года назад

    It's like taekwondo. Old taekwondo which had a lot of better skills died. Now its New Taekwondo. Some techniques in Old taekwondo when applied to New Taekwondo would be considered foul. So sad 😔

  • @symoonstar23
    @symoonstar23 5 лет назад

    Whn I retire I cum2seanchai gym 4training only. Not fighting

  • @abolition1889
    @abolition1889 5 лет назад +2

    Humans have this special ability to corrupt anything that is good...

    • @kylianferry1001
      @kylianferry1001 3 года назад +1

      Humans ? It's humans who made muay thai, the enemy is a very specific type of human...

  • @bananabolo5273
    @bananabolo5273 5 лет назад

    His gym's training per day
    Pushup 600time
    Pulllup 100time
    Coremuscle 800time
    Run morethan 5 km
    Excluding boxing training
    He told prepare for foreigner

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад

      Nice, he tell u?

    • @bananabolo5273
      @bananabolo5273 5 лет назад

      @@LawrenceKenshin you can see training schedule at his gym. He told foreigner boxer work hard and have massive upper body. He must train like this

  • @cpt.gwyndolin8665
    @cpt.gwyndolin8665 4 года назад

    Yo you should do the one where samart critiques the state of muay thai in Thailand. Also because Im damn dirty chapo Im gonna call this, "the late capitalism of muay thai"lol

  • @juelz713
    @juelz713 5 лет назад

    A lot of fighters in the US have to pay to fight

  • @omegasquad868
    @omegasquad868 5 лет назад

    ok so the Nak Muay Nation needs to watch this instead sucking up just open your eyes

  • @steveholt9431
    @steveholt9431 5 лет назад

    As the avarage income in Thailand increases people are not forced anymore to fight as a way to better their life. They have other options now so the talent pool shrinks. At the same time the popularity of soccer, both for players, fans and gambler is ever increasing leading to less interest in boxing hence lesser pay for the fighters so another reason not to fight anymore.

  • @varrickace465
    @varrickace465 3 года назад

    I would hate to see another majestic martial art like Muay Thai to end up like Taekwondo and Karate...watered down and loss of all it's original prowess

  • @IvoRadev
    @IvoRadev 5 лет назад

    There's nothing in the world that wasn't made way worse, if not destroyed, when it was touched by the gambling industry.

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад

      Ivo Radev :(

    • @IvoRadev
      @IvoRadev 5 лет назад

      @@LawrenceKenshin The bitter truth my friend, no matter how I hate that fact.

  • @kaptenmemo
    @kaptenmemo 4 года назад

    Is the art dying or is the clinch too dominant a weapon that shuts down the other aspect though? I feel like this is like people saying grappling is to dominant in MMA when it's just really the most effective. But I do agree that the sport's entertainment value can be increased trough some rule changes, smaller gloves, hip throws etc. I think money will always control the sport, just look at IFMA and their bastardization of muay thai.
    All in all though, in a functioning economy and society, martial arts hopefully never becomes the biggest sport.

  • @MasterofPlay7
    @MasterofPlay7 4 года назад

    why wouldn't muay thai make it to the olympics?

  • @MintStiles
    @MintStiles 5 лет назад

    You can say that about the state of Brrrrrahzeeeloan xssshoooojeettsooo. What started off as a practical form of judo for self defense is once again a cash grab. These sports have all evolved by pros into the audiences instead of the other way around. Kind of sad in the Information Age, but it also provides openings for novel styles and approaches.

  • @tongkatali7643
    @tongkatali7643 5 лет назад +1

    Gambling builds the sport and it also ruins it.

  • @eangthaingov9923
    @eangthaingov9923 4 года назад +2

    Hello there!
    Please be real careful to use the term Traditional Muay Thai which is not really a sport.
    Traditional Muay Thai is shown in the dances before the fights.
    The disgusting truth is that the Muay Thai dances tells the story of history like the Chinese opera.
    Muay Thai is an art form that were used in battle.
    There is clinching in Muay Thai because it is a required skill to lift stone blocks in order to build the Buddhist temples in Siam.
    Muay Thai is really a female sport and clinching is involved in the bedroom with making babies.
    Muay means little sister.
    Muay Thai.
    Please use the term Traditional Muay Thai with caution if you don't understand why people call Muay little sister in Muay Thai.
    We came out of a woman as boys to men.
    Om Mani Pad Me Hum!
    ETN....

  • @YyouTTubeE
    @YyouTTubeE 5 лет назад

    Gambling? It's life problems, not just muaythai

  • @erving5379
    @erving5379 5 лет назад +3

    Bangkok ruins everything....

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад

      they created everything mate!

    • @erving5379
      @erving5379 5 лет назад +1

      @@LawrenceKenshin what's the point of creating such a beautiful and nuanced martial art? Only to corrupt it from the inside based on greed and power buddy? Alas, I may shed a tear friend.

    • @erving5379
      @erving5379 5 лет назад

      That's definitely high brow tho. Wsy to step it up and really rep Muay Thai!

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +1

      @@erving5379 it is the way of the world, but the times are changing and there are new ambassadors in the game.

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +3

      @@erving5379 just doing what I can to spread info

  • @lastottomanian
    @lastottomanian 5 лет назад

    Money ruins everything apparently. A long rooted tradition is controlled and adjusted by money... Same goes for most martial arts.... Sad sight indeed..

  • @yeniseyaltan937
    @yeniseyaltan937 5 лет назад

    This is not good gambling taked over the sport

  • @petercarlson811
    @petercarlson811 5 лет назад

    Imagine the techniques someone like Saenchai could find use for in the ring and then the fucking gambling society closes that treasure chest. Those greedy piss ants has zero love for the art.

  • @fungames1594
    @fungames1594 5 лет назад

    Yes muay is being diluted. Like so many other arts... the newer the generation the weaker humans become. Except a few rare individuals.

  • @mokhtarapandihussin2437
    @mokhtarapandihussin2437 5 лет назад

    None

  • @ca-jf3ey
    @ca-jf3ey 5 лет назад +1

    I prefer you analyzing fights, that's where you are best at.

    • @LawrenceKenshin
      @LawrenceKenshin  5 лет назад +9

      why not feature culture?

    • @fkin8shyt
      @fkin8shyt 5 лет назад +2

      @@LawrenceKenshin I disagree with Hugo, Lawrence. This was a great video that NEEDED to happen since you can reach a larger audience. The more this is talked about & brought into light, the more likely the corruption will be cleaned out. Not many people internationally know about this problem & I'm glad you shed some light on it. You do a lot for the art of Muay Thai & us that love it with all we are, appreciate it.

  • @UrbanTiger74
    @UrbanTiger74 5 лет назад

    Another combative art spoiled by gambling...sad.