I loved this, a true to reality project! Not only did you show the mistakes and laugh at them, you plowed through and got it all done! Amazing and thank you for a great laugh and great video!
The "placemat" comment had me laughing. Good on you for showing the reality that not all projects (even the small ones) are without its unplanned challenges, Oh the joys of woodworking lol. Turned out great, good job, friend.
Many of the exotic woods should be wiped down with acetone before glue up. I found this out with padauk. I wipe down padauk with acetone and paper towels and you can see a ton of residue on each wipe.
I agree with the others. The way to go is wiping the exotics with acetone before gluing. I've really been enjoying your channel. Keep up the great work!
I had the same problem with my end grain boards with blowout on the edges. If you put a shamfer on the trailing edge before putting through your planer, there's no blow out. Your boards look amazing by the way.
I work in exotics all the time. My first build (shoe cabinet) came apart at the joint between the maple and purple heart. Why? Found out later it was because of the oil layer on the purple heart. You see, exotics, many times, have a high oil content. That puts a layer of oil between the glue and the adjoining wood which will fail eventually every time. But this can be completely fixed with a very cheap bottle of 100% acetone (like you get at big box/cheap stores for nail polish removal ... don't buy the expensive brands for woodworking. It's all the same stuff). You're looking for 100% acetone without anything else. Read the ingredients to be sure. For exotics, quickly wipe (doesn't take a long time) the glue surfaces of exotics with acetone just before you glue. Acetone dries in seconds, so no long wait. Acetone removes the oil layer and allows the glue to work on both wood surfaces rather than one surface and the other coated in oil ... which won't hold. I know. So, fix by getting cheap acetone to wipe off the oil layer before gluing oily wood (like most exotics ... purple heart, red heart, paduk, anything black, anything that is smooth when it comes off the saw), and you should be good to go. Who knew a cheap bottle of 100% acetone nail polish remover would fix it? It has NOTHING to do with how much glue you use. It's the oil. Oil puts a non-glue friendly layer between the wood and the adjoining piece. It WILL eventually fail, likely sooner rather than later. Cheap acetone will fix. Don't waste your time or glue ... having to clean up the drips/squeeze out that is beyond what you'd normally have. More glue, in this case, won't help. So, a note on rosewood. The face grain glues well after acetone, but no matter what you do (I used wood glue, CA glue) the end grain WILL NOT glue. Everything I used broke apart with a very slight pressure. I didn't use epoxy, but that's overkill, honestly. Just don't try to glue end grain rosewood or you'll be very sad. ACETONE before gluing any oily exotic (paduk, purple heart, red heart, ebony, African black wood, pink ivory, etc), but know that end-grain rosewood will NEVER glue up with anything I've ever used to glue. Even superglue will snap with the slightest pressure and while superglue will come apart with shearing force (which is why you can use it to fix clamping cauls), it shouldn't come apart with pulling force (tensile strength)... and it does on rosewood. However, rosewood glues beautifully on the face grain. Unfortunately, that means that you cannot glue rosewood so that it shows the face grain, at least not easily, because the end grain will not glue to anything else reliably. Just don't use rosewood in a cutting board. Matter of fact, don't use rosewood in any place that you will have to glue end grain. Won't hold, even with acetone. Will hold for a while, but not for the life of the piece. I know because I tried every trick in the book. If you can't screw it in place, don't use it if you have to glue end grain.
Wow thank you for the information April. Glad you mentioned the rosewood. It’s such a nice wood. You are the second person to mention acetone. I have seen a video with someone applying it also so I will get some for the exotic woods. Thank again :)
Thanks for sharing your failures as well, it is very instructive. FYI, ipe (aka Brazilian walnut) is almost indistinguishable from rosewood on the end grain, and a whole bunch cheaper. I made a cutting board with both ipe and rosewood, and was sorry that I had wasted my rosewood. Couldn't really tell the difference between them.
Your question, "was it the new wood or just me?" i feel it is a bit of both. Watching the video, things like your sledge board seem to wobble on your table saw, which is not good. Also when trying to flatten the item with the router box, you seemed to be removing a lot of waste with each pass. Take less off and do more pases, much safer! The last thing is the edges of the board tearing out when machining. The thing to do is glue some sacrificial wood to eache side as you glue up. Once you have finished all your machining you can sacrifice these parts by accurate cutting with the table saw. Lastly i would wipe the wet glue off with a damp rag, it saves a lot of scraping later!
Thanks Robert. Yep I agree with you on your points. I’m learning many things as I go along. Comments from people have been really good and helpful so I should help a lot going forward.
I 100% totally agree, plus wipe exotic woods with 100% acetone before glue up, and last but not least use two clamp and not just one whilst using his handle cutting jig. I've made and sold hundreds of chopping board and sets of wooden drinks coasters over the net in between the spare time I have as a software developer. Correct preparation is essential for not having to fix issues later on that can easily be avoided in the first place. Personally I think that these are simple mistakes that a man of his skill levels should *not* be making, especially as he is a fully qualified cabinet maker and thus know his stuff. I do like his DeWalt equipment as it far outweighs my Evolution kit (which I have plenty of). I do like the end results of the chopping boards though, very nice indeed.
@@PeteSimpson Generally Peter i agree with you, but what you have to consider is his trade is a cabinet maker, not a maker of exotic items. Its a bit like a pipe fitter and a gas fitter. Two broadly similar trades that both deal in pipes, but are not the same.
I just saw on another channel I think the “Wood Whisperer” said exotic wood species can be oily and glue ups can fail if the wood isn’t thoroughly wiped down prior to gluing up with mineral spirits or alcohol. And I don’t know if using your planer on end grain is the best idea either
Great video again dude nice to see someone who actually cares and shows there mistakes. I'm in process of starting doing this boards live edge tables etc etc. You being in the UK aswell am up in Scotland can I ask what your selling your boards at and were if u don't wanna say I understand just so a can get a comparison cause people don't wanna seem pay decent money up here for them?? 🏴👍 And are u selling allot?
The Chopping boards venture is new so only really making them for friends and family, however I have a website which is in the making still which will show you prices. www.hazelnutwoodcraft.com/
@@hazelnutwoodcraft no worries thanks and have u had sales through that yet. Dunno what its like down your end the country but anything over like 75 quid folk seem be not wanting to even entertain maybe am just not making them interesting enough. 🏴👍
I loved this, a true to reality project! Not only did you show the mistakes and laugh at them, you plowed through and got it all done! Amazing and thank you for a great laugh and great video!
absolutely loved this video. You had me in tear's with laughter. Thanks for sharing
Glad you enjoyed it!
The "placemat" comment had me laughing. Good on you for showing the reality that not all projects (even the small ones) are without its unplanned challenges, Oh the joys of woodworking lol. Turned out great, good job, friend.
Looks amazing mate, just don't give up good luck for your next project 👍👏👏
Hahaha. This is most i have laughed durong a cutting board video 😆
We all live and learn ,well done looks lovely👏
Yes, thank you
Many of the exotic woods should be wiped down with acetone before glue up. I found this out with padauk. I wipe down padauk with acetone and paper towels and you can see a ton of residue on each wipe.
I have heard about that before. Thanks.
Yes. I made a panel of ipe and Padua. Used denatured alcohol to wipe them both down before glue up. No issues, been about 6 months now.
I agree with the others. The way to go is wiping the exotics with acetone before gluing.
I've really been enjoying your channel. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Gordon - I have finally got a bottle of acetone so will be using that going forward on the exotics. :)
I had the same problem with my end grain boards with blowout on the edges. If you put a shamfer on the trailing edge before putting through your planer, there's no blow out. Your boards look amazing by the way.
Thanks for the advice, Chris, much appreciated
Some times you get tear out when router flattening , i glue on a border on all sides then cut them off later
You had plenty of glue you needed to spread it out first and the exotics needed to be cleaned with acetone because of the natural oils in it
Man…almost everything that could go wrong, went wrong. Turned out beautiful anyways.
Thanks James
I work in exotics all the time. My first build (shoe cabinet) came apart at the joint between the maple and purple heart. Why? Found out later it was because of the oil layer on the purple heart.
You see, exotics, many times, have a high oil content. That puts a layer of oil between the glue and the adjoining wood which will fail eventually every time. But this can be completely fixed with a very cheap bottle of 100% acetone (like you get at big box/cheap stores for nail polish removal ... don't buy the expensive brands for woodworking. It's all the same stuff). You're looking for 100% acetone without anything else. Read the ingredients to be sure.
For exotics, quickly wipe (doesn't take a long time) the glue surfaces of exotics with acetone just before you glue. Acetone dries in seconds, so no long wait. Acetone removes the oil layer and allows the glue to work on both wood surfaces rather than one surface and the other coated in oil ... which won't hold. I know.
So, fix by getting cheap acetone to wipe off the oil layer before gluing oily wood (like most exotics ... purple heart, red heart, paduk, anything black, anything that is smooth when it comes off the saw), and you should be good to go.
Who knew a cheap bottle of 100% acetone nail polish remover would fix it?
It has NOTHING to do with how much glue you use. It's the oil. Oil puts a non-glue friendly layer between the wood and the adjoining piece. It WILL eventually fail, likely sooner rather than later.
Cheap acetone will fix. Don't waste your time or glue ... having to clean up the drips/squeeze out that is beyond what you'd normally have. More glue, in this case, won't help.
So, a note on rosewood. The face grain glues well after acetone, but no matter what you do (I used wood glue, CA glue) the end grain WILL NOT glue. Everything I used broke apart with a very slight pressure. I didn't use epoxy, but that's overkill, honestly. Just don't try to glue end grain rosewood or you'll be very sad.
ACETONE before gluing any oily exotic (paduk, purple heart, red heart, ebony, African black wood, pink ivory, etc), but know that end-grain rosewood will NEVER glue up with anything I've ever used to glue. Even superglue will snap with the slightest pressure and while superglue will come apart with shearing force (which is why you can use it to fix clamping cauls), it shouldn't come apart with pulling force (tensile strength)... and it does on rosewood. However, rosewood glues beautifully on the face grain. Unfortunately, that means that you cannot glue rosewood so that it shows the face grain, at least not easily, because the end grain will not glue to anything else reliably.
Just don't use rosewood in a cutting board. Matter of fact, don't use rosewood in any place that you will have to glue end grain. Won't hold, even with acetone. Will hold for a while, but not for the life of the piece. I know because I tried every trick in the book. If you can't screw it in place, don't use it if you have to glue end grain.
Wow thank you for the information April. Glad you mentioned the rosewood. It’s such a nice wood. You are the second person to mention acetone. I have seen a video with someone applying it also so I will get some for the exotic woods. Thank again :)
Thanks for the advice. I did not know that about purple heart, I did know rose wood had an oily content and therefore glue resistant.
Thanks for sharing your failures as well, it is very instructive. FYI, ipe (aka Brazilian walnut) is almost indistinguishable from rosewood on the end grain, and a whole bunch cheaper. I made a cutting board with both ipe and rosewood, and was sorry that I had wasted my rosewood. Couldn't really tell the difference between them.
That’s great to know I will look out for some.
Thanks for sharing the errors - nice video - I’m just getting into woodworking
Keep up the videos
Thanks
Your question, "was it the new wood or just me?" i feel it is a bit of both. Watching the video, things like your sledge board seem to wobble on your table saw, which is not good. Also when trying to flatten the item with the router box, you seemed to be removing a lot of waste with each pass. Take less off and do more pases, much safer! The last thing is the edges of the board tearing out when machining. The thing to do is glue some sacrificial wood to eache side as you glue up. Once you have finished all your machining you can sacrifice these parts by accurate cutting with the table saw. Lastly i would wipe the wet glue off with a damp rag, it saves a lot of scraping later!
Thanks Robert. Yep I agree with you on your points. I’m learning many things as I go along. Comments from people have been really good and helpful so I should help a lot going forward.
@@hazelnutwoodcraft Take all the advice and try each one, see if it works for you. Most of all enjoy what you are doing!
I 100% totally agree, plus wipe exotic woods with 100% acetone before glue up, and last but not least use two clamp and not just one whilst using his handle cutting jig. I've made and sold hundreds of chopping board and sets of wooden drinks coasters over the net in between the spare time I have as a software developer. Correct preparation is essential for not having to fix issues later on that can easily be avoided in the first place. Personally I think that these are simple mistakes that a man of his skill levels should *not* be making, especially as he is a fully qualified cabinet maker and thus know his stuff. I do like his DeWalt equipment as it far outweighs my Evolution kit (which I have plenty of).
I do like the end results of the chopping boards though, very nice indeed.
@@PeteSimpson Generally Peter i agree with you, but what you have to consider is his trade is a cabinet maker, not a maker of exotic items. Its a bit like a pipe fitter and a gas fitter. Two broadly similar trades that both deal in pipes, but are not the same.
Looks ok even though the lines are crazy wiggly
Always glue a sacrificial board to the ends so you don't get blowout.
I will remember that for next time, thank Eric
You need a drum sander to prevent the planer from constantly chipping your wood.
totally agree with you. All in good time. :)
Is your combo planer/jointer using straight blades or helical blades?
@@glenndelcarmen4381 straight blades.
I just saw on another channel I think the “Wood Whisperer” said exotic wood species can be oily and glue ups can fail if the wood isn’t thoroughly wiped down prior to gluing up with mineral spirits or alcohol. And I don’t know if using your planer on end grain is the best idea either
Yep I will be ordering acetone which has been suggested by a few people to wipe the wood down with. 😀
,a cool video keep up the great content.. Thank you……
Thank you.
@@hazelnutwoodcraft Thank you very mutch... have a nice day.... see you….
Great video again dude nice to see someone who actually cares and shows there mistakes. I'm in process of starting doing this boards live edge tables etc etc. You being in the UK aswell am up in Scotland can I ask what your selling your boards at and were if u don't wanna say I understand just so a can get a comparison cause people don't wanna seem pay decent money up here for them?? 🏴👍 And are u selling allot?
The Chopping boards venture is new so only really making them for friends and family, however I have a website which is in the making still which will show you prices. www.hazelnutwoodcraft.com/
@@hazelnutwoodcraft no worries thanks and have u had sales through that yet. Dunno what its like down your end the country but anything over like 75 quid folk seem be not wanting to even entertain maybe am just not making them interesting enough. 🏴👍
@@hazelnutwoodcraft yea a won't get close to that up here. Even with exotic woods don't think. 🏴🤔👍
Where do you get your wood from
surrey Timbers in Guilford
@@hazelnutwoodcraft you can spend a lot of money in there
@@johnletham161 yep its dangerous to the bank balance :)
I stopped using exotic wood for cutting boards, expensive and people don't want to pay that extra money.