They could just make an affordable version of magic 30 and no one would be upset and it would sell like milk and bread before the slightest inconvenience.
Sol Ring and Demonic Tutor were on the reserved list, but removed from the list before wotc promoting edh long ago. Gaea's Cradle was reprinted as a Judge Promo card. Mox Diamond was reprinted in From the Vault set. Let's see if wotc will keep on breaking its promise.
Sol Ring and Demonic Tutor were removed from the reserved list in 2002, along with all other commons and uncommons from Limited, due to widespread public support for the change. This was three years before anyone at Wizards played Menery's format (Scott Larabee played with one of Menery's decks in 2005, and went on to advocate for the format within Wizards, leading to the first commander product, two theme decks for MTGO, being released in 2009). So it's misleading to intimate that they took them off the list to print them for EDH. Gaea's Cradle was a judge promo in 1998; Mox Diamond was in FtV: Relics in 2010, the set that (along with the Duel Deck Phyrexian Negator was in) triggered the backlash that made Wizards close the "premium card loophole". No promises broken there. Now, 30th anni edition... that *was* egregious, but also not a broken promise, because they were neither black nor white bordered.
The biggest issue with breaking the RL is that there not gonna make it cheap as a business they want to make money period. If they reprint dual lands for example its gonna be a serialized secret layer or in collector packs serialized.
Even without that the originals would still hold their value. Look at sol ring from alpha..one of the most used cards in commander..its at 1500 Usd, newest is $1. Reprint them destroy the reserved list, and throw em in commander masters 2
@billlong4586 I'm cool with reprinting the reserve list just let me know it's coming first so I can sell off my collection and proxy everything I have to much in value from playing for 30 years.
@Capie1 the og duals and such that are actively wanted would hold the value. Look at sol ring for example, printed yearly, but the og ones still go for over a grand.
The "value" of game pieces should only be linked to how much fun you have playing the game. This "game pieces as investments" thing is fucking up the purpose of the game; to be played.
It's kind of the fault of baseball cards, matchbox cards and the rest. They were pure collectables, with the concept of them being potential investments that goes along with that. Then MtG came along, and that crowd didn't adjust to the fact it was a game.
I’m sorry but I’ve collected and played since magic started, collectors trying to keep prices up for their own greed is taking away from the people that actually play with their cards, and a collector has to give a crap about what set cards are from, not if they are reprinted, the originals are where the money is, newer cards and repeints are for players so we can play with all same cards everyone else has and keep game relatively even , if you are not going to reprint a card so you can only find copies that are hundreds of dollars…. That makes it unfair, so if the card isn’t going to be reprinted for fairness of game it should be banned, then it’s price will drop anyway, so reprint all the cards that everyone else can afford so everyone can play on even playing field, collector that complain about this… it’s a game first, not your personal portfolio, if it’s all you have maybe you should have thought your life through a bit more
For all that WotC and Hasbro continually seem to want to drive this game into the dust, my God things would improve if we could drive out the finance bros. The disgusting behaviour from them over the Commander bans is just the latest in a long line of messing with the game so their cardboard assets keep and accrue value, the rest of us be damned.
If you want to play with them so badly print proxies. If you want to *collect* the actual cards, too bad, if their value tanked the notoriety would evaporate and you'd stop caring anyway.
@patterofheads256 the value wouldn't tank..thats an antiquated argument without evidence. Alpha sol ring, is about 1500 USD. New printings are $1..the originals would be fine.
@billlong4586 "alpha..." yeah the super scarce test run that has different shaped corners. When people talk about value being obliterated they mean beta, unlimited and in the case of duals/wheel, Revised and you know it.
@@patterofheads256 those printings wouldn't be bothered either. To even think they would is ridiculous. Just because I used alpha as the example doesn't mean the same isn't true for the slightly newer printings lol
As a player who ownes more than a playset of each revised duals 5 mox diamonds ect i would not care if they got a reprint i want newer generations to play commander to their max and also get into older formants out of grasp for newer players!
Im a new player and I have 10 mox diamond and almost every other reserved card x5. I got them for .25 cents each by proxying them. Don't worry, I'm not excluded 😂!
@@rosembermorales1995that’s what it’s about nobody should be priced out of a game so proxy it up my lgs encourages people to play with proxies in commander pods because they know not everyone can spend that insane money required or simply couldn’t have a chance to get the cards when they originally came out because a lot of us nowadays were born at that time or after
Bless you! I bought a Sliver Queen for 12€ before Commander was a thing, now that version and quality is around 170€. I would LOVE to see her reprinted to 5€, 3€ or even less because .... I would repurchase it XD just for, you know, _playing her more_!
To give you an idea on how quickly things change, see 6:38: The article (from 2002) they say that Psionic Blast would probably never reprint, then got reprinted into a standard set 2x in the next three to four years ((Char in Ravnica city of guilds (2005), functional reprint)) and Psionic Blast in the follow set (Time Spiral - 2006) as a timeshifted card. They also changed the rules for the reserve list itself a few years after that following the "From the Vault" and duel-deck issues surrounding reserve list reprints in 2010 (See Phyrexian Negator in DDE along with Mox Diamond, Karn, Silver Golem, Memory Jar and Masticore in V10; all 5 have been on the Reserve list since the 90's)
I bought a copy for 12€ back in the days, before COmmander was popular, and now my Spanish good/excellent version sits around 170€, I'd LOVE to see her at 5€ or less, just to see her played more often ... and to rebuy more XD
I feel like the reserve list need to just be removed and deleted, other card games have original prints only that card holds it value, not the 10 thousand reprints that has come after
They will "reprint" the reserved list AGAIN in digital. The loophole that was used for delisting sol ring demonic tutor regrowth was that they are all added originally because they where banned/restricted not explicitly because of value. And FYI the 30th debacle doesn't compare to the backlash of chronicles that was the only time I personally felt magic almost died.
Prices are definitely impacted by their scarcity. If the Moxes were ever to be reprinted, I expect the prices to drop significantly since there will now be an alternative version available. At some point, demand for the original art will stabilize, but having an alternative or superior version of the card would immediately send the prices plummeting.
I'd be willing to bet that the higher ups at WotC have a significant portion of their net worth tied to the reserve list and would be incentivized to dump them onto the market before any changes are made to it, so they're holding until retirement.
I say this as someone that owns alot of reserved list Shivan dragon 30th anniversary edition 90$ Event promo 180$😊 Unlimited 300$ Foundations 10c Old and rare cards hold their value. Everyone complaining that the reserved list being removed effects their cards is full of crap. Collector boosters. Serialized and all the special foil/art treatments more than make up for the "losses" that players would suffer assuming they're playing and buying product. If they're not playing/buying, why would we care about them.
@papki9157 I wouldn't care if they did. But overall, they would drop in price a little bit. Much like the edh bans recently. People will sell to make their money, but then theyd shoot back up. In my comparison, shivan dragon rare printings whether promo or old, are expensive.
There is literally no event promo Shivan Dragon that's $180 unless you meant Collectors Edition and that's at $130. Explain why Shivan Dragon from Beta and Unlimited has taken a hit with Foundations release. Explain why Imperial Seal back in 2021 was nearing the 2k mark up until its reprint treatment in Double Masters 22 Explain why Unlimited and CE Demonic Tutor have been on nothing but a down hill trend with their value over the years with all the reprints it has received Hell, even Mana Crypt book promo has had a uphill battle gaining any value and that's evident when you take the data and look at it on a graph You know, assuming you can read graphs.
@vilesbr1424 Pointing out the one pricing mistske might not be the "gotcha" moment, you think, as it is still a variant of it over 100$, and the card is functionally bad. The examples you listed are staples. Do you wanna compare staples to shivan Dragon? Imperial seal judge promo saw a drop sure. Only 25% in the last year and is rising now. Mana crypt got banned. Then speculated to get unbanned. It didn't happen. Now it's dropped again. This wasn't cause of a reprint. (Y'know, how i started this comment by implying they should reprint the cards) When it was reprinted in lost caverns, it saw a dip of 20% kinda like imperial seal. TLDR to answer your question as to why things have been going downhill since 2020/21? One answer is stimulus checks. ALL RESERVED LIST and master pieces went way up. They're now trickling down. Hand a bunch of people free money, and they blow it on magic. I'm sure you read the graph, though. At the end of the day, we disagree.
1:40 admittedly, I doubt what we are seeing on screen now is the complete "promise" WoTC made to the players / collectors at the time and being the trixxy type of person I am… The sentence beginning "A card is considered functionally indentical…" is interesting because of the word "and" instead of "or" near the end, because only creature cards could satisfy all of those conditions. Also, presumably, the agreement applies to the printed wording of the cards at the time? So, what would prevent WoTC printing a tournament legal version of Ancestral Recall with modern rules text (Target player draws three cards) instead of the original wording for example? Or the original Dual Lands with modern sub-types?
This wasn’t a secret. These changes were obvious in Scrye magazine and other publications that regularly published the list and updated it while that was relevant.
I find your assumptions kinda wild on what sol ring would be price wise if it never was reprinted. I only wish cards would’ve been as much as you think they would become. I was buying revised duals for 20-50 cdn in 2002 the chance to reprint the cards was in 2010 when the prices weren’t as crazy. 2010 change and closing loopholes was a big catalyst for prices to go up. What do you think is affordable for duals, power, handful of other cards that people actually care about? I assume reserved list cards would be in the new commander digital product as they already put them on mtgo and pretty sure they were in more than one set and not very expensive.
Sliver queen is the most wild reserved list card. There is a whole fanbase that needs it. I own a LP copy and would fullly support printing it freely because i want every sliver fan to have access to it
I look at the reserve list as unqiue cards that id love to own , but yeah, I'd be scared to invest just in case they reprint the cards. A few months ago, i was about to buy dockside and edgar one gets banned, and another gets a reprint. I just saved my self £180 😅 couldnt imagine if i spent that plus more on just one card to be reprinted.
It’s funny listening to younger players now, in 93 to 96 I played with most of these cards and they were powerful then but a Serra angel or sengir vamp aren’t worth the cardboard that they are printed on now, it doesn’t match the strength of card even released in masq’s, urza’s block changed the game a lot, mechanics started getting more intricate and it wasn’t about power/toughness anymore, it went from checkers to chess very quickly and cards today make the sets up to fallen empire complete trash except for a few cards that were ahead of their time like each mox and a few others, I don’t like calling them the power nine anymore, it’s like the “almost power nine” cards today are broken, we used to play without infinite combos, and truthfully we still should have rules against that, I don’t think half of you that use infinite combos could win without them like we did in magics first years, there used to only be a few things that scary like channel fireball but now every deck I play against got some broken infinite combo that makes game end and you spend more time shuffling than playing, they need to make it more strategy based again other than an ashnods alter and some lame combo you looked up online
well as much as i hate the reserve list, i just bought a City of Traitors... i hope they don't reprint it... but also i wouldn't be made if they did because i need more for my other decks.
The Reserved List is a simple, non-contractual promise made by a company to it's a comsumers. Legally, this promise is protected by a legal doctrine referred to as promissory estoppel. Everyone was going to quit playing Magic because of reprints and the values of their collections getting wrecked. Wizards made this promise to save the game from experiencing mass exodus. It worked, and the game wouldn't be here today without that history.
You know it's promissory estoppel because someone at WOTC told you that's why they won't reprint the cards? They haven't said anything to the rest of us, that's for sure.
Yeah, do that so we can sue wizards over their broken contract for however much our cards dropped in value thus killing magic indefinitely. Yeah, that would be real smart go ahead and do that.
Imagine having such strong opinions about the reserved list for so many years and not even knowing this most basic of information. It's almost like your position is based on vibes and not data or even much thought.
They could just make an affordable version of magic 30 and no one would be upset and it would sell like milk and bread before the slightest inconvenience.
Sol Ring and Demonic Tutor were on the reserved list, but removed from the list before wotc promoting edh long ago.
Gaea's Cradle was reprinted as a Judge Promo card.
Mox Diamond was reprinted in From the Vault set.
Let's see if wotc will keep on breaking its promise.
Sol Ring and Demonic Tutor were removed from the reserved list in 2002, along with all other commons and uncommons from Limited, due to widespread public support for the change. This was three years before anyone at Wizards played Menery's format (Scott Larabee played with one of Menery's decks in 2005, and went on to advocate for the format within Wizards, leading to the first commander product, two theme decks for MTGO, being released in 2009). So it's misleading to intimate that they took them off the list to print them for EDH.
Gaea's Cradle was a judge promo in 1998; Mox Diamond was in FtV: Relics in 2010, the set that (along with the Duel Deck Phyrexian Negator was in) triggered the backlash that made Wizards close the "premium card loophole".
No promises broken there. Now, 30th anni edition... that *was* egregious, but also not a broken promise, because they were neither black nor white bordered.
The biggest issue with breaking the RL is that there not gonna make it cheap as a business they want to make money period. If they reprint dual lands for example its gonna be a serialized secret layer or in collector packs serialized.
Even without that the originals would still hold their value. Look at sol ring from alpha..one of the most used cards in commander..its at 1500 Usd, newest is $1. Reprint them destroy the reserved list, and throw em in commander masters 2
@billlong4586 I'm cool with reprinting the reserve list just let me know it's coming first so I can sell off my collection and proxy everything I have to much in value from playing for 30 years.
@Capie1 the og duals and such that are actively wanted would hold the value. Look at sol ring for example, printed yearly, but the og ones still go for over a grand.
Disagree they can reprint duals at rare in a normal ass standard set .
That set would sell gang busters
The "value" of game pieces should only be linked to how much fun you have playing the game. This "game pieces as investments" thing is fucking up the purpose of the game; to be played.
It's kind of the fault of baseball cards, matchbox cards and the rest. They were pure collectables, with the concept of them being potential investments that goes along with that. Then MtG came along, and that crowd didn't adjust to the fact it was a game.
Any "investor" buying game pieces is dumb. with that kind of money, buy something else that's an actual asset jfc
I’m sorry but I’ve collected and played since magic started, collectors trying to keep prices up for their own greed is taking away from the people that actually play with their cards, and a collector has to give a crap about what set cards are from, not if they are reprinted, the originals are where the money is, newer cards and repeints are for players so we can play with all same cards everyone else has and keep game relatively even , if you are not going to reprint a card so you can only find copies that are hundreds of dollars…. That makes it unfair, so if the card isn’t going to be reprinted for fairness of game it should be banned, then it’s price will drop anyway, so reprint all the cards that everyone else can afford so everyone can play on even playing field, collector that complain about this… it’s a game first, not your personal portfolio, if it’s all you have maybe you should have thought your life through a bit more
For all that WotC and Hasbro continually seem to want to drive this game into the dust, my God things would improve if we could drive out the finance bros. The disgusting behaviour from them over the Commander bans is just the latest in a long line of messing with the game so their cardboard assets keep and accrue value, the rest of us be damned.
TLDW: Reserved list is a scam
A hustle. Your are either hustling or being hustled.
If you want to play with them so badly print proxies. If you want to *collect* the actual cards, too bad, if their value tanked the notoriety would evaporate and you'd stop caring anyway.
@patterofheads256 the value wouldn't tank..thats an antiquated argument without evidence. Alpha sol ring, is about 1500 USD. New printings are $1..the originals would be fine.
@billlong4586 "alpha..." yeah the super scarce test run that has different shaped corners.
When people talk about value being obliterated they mean beta, unlimited and in the case of duals/wheel, Revised and you know it.
@@patterofheads256 those printings wouldn't be bothered either. To even think they would is ridiculous. Just because I used alpha as the example doesn't mean the same isn't true for the slightly newer printings lol
As a player who ownes more than a playset of each revised duals 5 mox diamonds ect i would not care if they got a reprint i want newer generations to play commander to their max and also get into older formants out of grasp for newer players!
Im a new player and I have 10 mox diamond and almost every other reserved card x5.
I got them for .25 cents each by proxying them. Don't worry, I'm not excluded 😂!
@@rosembermorales1995that’s what it’s about nobody should be priced out of a game so proxy it up my lgs encourages people to play with proxies in commander pods because they know not everyone can spend that insane money required or simply couldn’t have a chance to get the cards when they originally came out because a lot of us nowadays were born at that time or after
Bless you!
I bought a Sliver Queen for 12€ before Commander was a thing, now that version and quality is around 170€.
I would LOVE to see her reprinted to 5€, 3€ or even less because .... I would repurchase it XD just for, you know, _playing her more_!
To give you an idea on how quickly things change, see 6:38:
The article (from 2002) they say that Psionic Blast would probably never reprint, then got reprinted into a standard set 2x in the next three to four years ((Char in Ravnica city of guilds (2005), functional reprint)) and Psionic Blast in the follow set (Time Spiral - 2006) as a timeshifted card.
They also changed the rules for the reserve list itself a few years after that following the "From the Vault" and duel-deck issues surrounding reserve list reprints in 2010 (See Phyrexian Negator in DDE along with Mox Diamond, Karn, Silver Golem, Memory Jar and Masticore in V10; all 5 have been on the Reserve list since the 90's)
Sliver queen needs to come off
No.
I agree. Its not even op. Today, it looks stupid to be on the list.
@@heckypecky3293 the reserved list has nothing to do with power level. What's wrong with you?
I bought a copy for 12€ back in the days, before COmmander was popular, and now my Spanish good/excellent version sits around 170€,
I'd LOVE to see her at 5€ or less, just to see her played more often ... and to rebuy more XD
I thought this was pretty common knowledge?
It is. This video is fruitless and pointless.
It is. Newer magic players don't even know that players are supposed to be planeswalkers though so who knows.
I knew about 2010 but not 2002
@@wesjaguarmost of this channels videos are pointless magic news and speculation now. Long gone are the days of cool deck techs.
That's why I stopped watching the channel
I feel like the reserve list need to just be removed and deleted, other card games have original prints only that card holds it value, not the 10 thousand reprints that has come after
Remember when you made decklists?
I do! Only really in Standard but still. I don’t like just grabbing whatever is powerful in the format off a website.
They will "reprint" the reserved list AGAIN in digital. The loophole that was used for delisting sol ring demonic tutor regrowth was that they are all added originally because they where banned/restricted not explicitly because of value. And FYI the 30th debacle doesn't compare to the backlash of chronicles that was the only time I personally felt magic almost died.
I just want dual lands to be cheaper.😢
those who own doesn't want you to have for less than 99% of what they paid for
Prices are definitely impacted by their scarcity. If the Moxes were ever to be reprinted, I expect the prices to drop significantly since there will now be an alternative version available. At some point, demand for the original art will stabilize, but having an alternative or superior version of the card would immediately send the prices plummeting.
Mtg should be a game not an investment portfolio
I'd be willing to bet that the higher ups at WotC have a significant portion of their net worth tied to the reserve list and would be incentivized to dump them onto the market before any changes are made to it, so they're holding until retirement.
@iamgrootiamdeath1589 it's not a dichotomy and I'm sick of people pretending it is.
I say this as someone that owns alot of reserved list
Shivan dragon
30th anniversary edition 90$
Event promo 180$😊
Unlimited 300$
Foundations 10c
Old and rare cards hold their value. Everyone complaining that the reserved list being removed effects their cards is full of crap. Collector boosters. Serialized and all the special foil/art treatments more than make up for the "losses" that players would suffer assuming they're playing and buying product. If they're not playing/buying, why would we care about them.
do you think revised duals would hold their value if reprinted? like the rest of the set that is not on the reserved list?
@papki9157 I wouldn't care if they did. But overall, they would drop in price a little bit. Much like the edh bans recently. People will sell to make their money, but then theyd shoot back up. In my comparison, shivan dragon rare printings whether promo or old, are expensive.
There is literally no event promo Shivan Dragon that's $180 unless you meant Collectors Edition and that's at $130.
Explain why Shivan Dragon from Beta and Unlimited has taken a hit with Foundations release.
Explain why Imperial Seal back in 2021 was nearing the 2k mark up until its reprint treatment in Double Masters 22
Explain why Unlimited and CE Demonic Tutor have been on nothing but a down hill trend with their value over the years with all the reprints it has received
Hell, even Mana Crypt book promo has had a uphill battle gaining any value and that's evident when you take the data and look at it on a graph
You know, assuming you can read graphs.
@vilesbr1424 Pointing out the one pricing mistske might not be the "gotcha" moment, you think, as it is still a variant of it over 100$, and the card is functionally bad. The examples you listed are staples. Do you wanna compare staples to shivan Dragon? Imperial seal judge promo saw a drop sure. Only 25% in the last year and is rising now. Mana crypt got banned. Then speculated to get unbanned. It didn't happen. Now it's dropped again. This wasn't cause of a reprint. (Y'know, how i started this comment by implying they should reprint the cards) When it was reprinted in lost caverns, it saw a dip of 20% kinda like imperial seal.
TLDR to answer your question as to why things have been going downhill since 2020/21? One answer is stimulus checks. ALL RESERVED LIST and master pieces went way up. They're now trickling down. Hand a bunch of people free money, and they blow it on magic. I'm sure you read the graph, though.
At the end of the day, we disagree.
Sure would have been nice to have included a link to the Rhystic Studies video.
1:40 admittedly, I doubt what we are seeing on screen now is the complete "promise" WoTC made to the players / collectors at the time and being the trixxy type of person I am… The sentence beginning "A card is considered functionally indentical…" is interesting because of the word "and" instead of "or" near the end, because only creature cards could satisfy all of those conditions. Also, presumably, the agreement applies to the printed wording of the cards at the time? So, what would prevent WoTC printing a tournament legal version of Ancestral Recall with modern rules text (Target player draws three cards) instead of the original wording for example? Or the original Dual Lands with modern sub-types?
20:03 "It's funny that there's 3 of them."
Sliver Queen
I did not know Sol Ring was once on the reserve list.
I wish the printed them into a commander product, so they would only be legal in eternal formats where their already legal.
This wasn’t a secret. These changes were obvious in Scrye magazine and other publications that regularly published the list and updated it while that was relevant.
I find your assumptions kinda wild on what sol ring would be price wise if it never was reprinted.
I only wish cards would’ve been as much as you think they would become.
I was buying revised duals for 20-50 cdn in 2002
the chance to reprint the cards was in 2010 when the prices weren’t as crazy. 2010 change and closing loopholes was a big catalyst for prices to go up.
What do you think is affordable for duals, power, handful of other cards that people actually care about?
I assume reserved list cards would be in the new commander digital product as they already put them on mtgo and pretty sure they were in more than one set and not very expensive.
Sliver queen is the most wild reserved list card. There is a whole fanbase that needs it. I own a LP copy and would fullly support printing it freely because i want every sliver fan to have access to it
The smart thing for them to do was to never mention the reserve list after the nineties and the promise would have faded away 😊
These days the only tthatthe reserve list does is serve as a barrier to entry for legacy formats.
I look at the reserve list as unqiue cards that id love to own , but yeah, I'd be scared to invest just in case they reprint the cards. A few months ago, i was about to buy dockside and edgar one gets banned, and another gets a reprint. I just saved my self £180 😅 couldnt imagine if i spent that plus more on just one card to be reprinted.
Isnt Moonveil Regent a better reprint if a reserved list card?
So a different card.
I was shocked when I returned to magic only to hear sol ring was no longer reserved.
Pretty sure the reserved list is only Rares, and Sol Ring was always Uncommon.
@alucard8433 sol ring was reserved list *until* 2002. Unless OP is talking about 'returning to magic' 22 years ago...
There has always been uncommons on the reserve list.@alucard8433
@@alucard8433 7:43 the paragraph explains it
@@patterofheads256 possible, lots of people left during Urza Block.
If they wanna push digital it's lowkey genius to keep the reserve list ar9und. And prolly the driving force behind it.
The reserved list is fine as it is. Change my mind.
How long until they make more changes and sell a Secret lair moxen for $1000?
Next year probably
Crabby Patty 《Black Lotus》
@kineticgames293 I would rather buy a $30k black lotus and go 100% into debt than have that come true.
I’m sure someone will buy it.
It’s funny listening to younger players now, in 93 to 96 I played with most of these cards and they were powerful then but a Serra angel or sengir vamp aren’t worth the cardboard that they are printed on now, it doesn’t match the strength of card even released in masq’s, urza’s block changed the game a lot, mechanics started getting more intricate and it wasn’t about power/toughness anymore, it went from checkers to chess very quickly and cards today make the sets up to fallen empire complete trash except for a few cards that were ahead of their time like each mox and a few others, I don’t like calling them the power nine anymore, it’s like the “almost power nine” cards today are broken, we used to play without infinite combos, and truthfully we still should have rules against that, I don’t think half of you that use infinite combos could win without them like we did in magics first years, there used to only be a few things that scary like channel fireball but now every deck I play against got some broken infinite combo that makes game end and you spend more time shuffling than playing, they need to make it more strategy based again other than an ashnods alter and some lame combo you looked up online
well as much as i hate the reserve list, i just bought a City of Traitors... i hope they don't reprint it... but also i wouldn't be made if they did because i need more for my other decks.
very very very long time. I've played since ice age... when did you start? ... should I feel old or did you start later and feel like it's so long
Do not touch the reserved list, just leave it. After all we can proxy cards for both casual and tournament use.
F the reserve list
Get rid of the reserve list. Make the game more accessible.
Cry harder LOL - from a RL collector
@@Tom_Ace_US yeah. When they start reprinting the list well see who'll cry. Not me for sure. LOL - from a someone who doesn't give a shit
Wotc "reserves" the right to do w.e. they want.
The Reserved List is a simple, non-contractual promise made by a company to it's a comsumers. Legally, this promise is protected by a legal doctrine referred to as promissory estoppel.
Everyone was going to quit playing Magic because of reprints and the values of their collections getting wrecked. Wizards made this promise to save the game from experiencing mass exodus. It worked, and the game wouldn't be here today without that history.
You know it's promissory estoppel because someone at WOTC told you that's why they won't reprint the cards? They haven't said anything to the rest of us, that's for sure.
Wotc has a history of non-public settlements covered by non-disclosure agreements.
@@magnuswarsinski your comment makes no fucking sense at all. I stated a fact. What was the point you were trying (but failed miserably) to make?
Throw the reserve lost in the garbage and reprint the cards.
Yeah, do that so we can sue wizards over their broken contract for however much our cards dropped in value thus killing magic indefinitely.
Yeah, that would be real smart go ahead and do that.
Just proxy the cards you wanna proxy ffs from people like UseaMTG or similar.
I'm in favour of removing the list. More card to play and more affordable.
Wotc will reprint. Hasbro will totally force the issue.
I wonder if you could get through a video without saying “again” more than once 😂
Thanjavur again
Just use proxies.
Let the collectors collect.
The reserve list should stay. This is coming from somebody who just got into the game three years ago.
Imagine having such strong opinions about the reserved list for so many years and not even knowing this most basic of information.
It's almost like your position is based on vibes and not data or even much thought.
My guy you have an anime-loli avatar. I don't think you get to judge other people's opinions on anything.
@michaelsparks1571 speaking of "vibes only".
first!