Top 10 Biggest Sports Venue Development Fails

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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024

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  • @danielvandersall6756
    @danielvandersall6756 14 дней назад +6

    Lucas Oil in Indianapolis is a favorite of mine--spent millions on an opening roof, that is almost never opened. Got the roof, but forgot to install any drainage on the field. So if there's the slightest chance of rain, the roof is going to be closed. Brilliant.

  • @chuckinhouston9952
    @chuckinhouston9952 27 дней назад +19

    Thanks for using your own voice instead of some stupid AI voice.

    • @burdyo85
      @burdyo85 13 дней назад

      Coulda fooled me!

  • @Lee-y8w2b
    @Lee-y8w2b Месяц назад +6

    I'm glad they were able to save the Pyramid in Memphis. One of my favorite pro sports arenas.

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад +2

      Agreed! Such a unique building, glad its getting a lot of use now!

  • @thedrunkenwobblies1331
    @thedrunkenwobblies1331 Месяц назад +69

    How Olympic stadium in Montreal missed this list is beyond me.

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад +22

      That's a good one for sure! For this list I left olympic venues off just because there are so many of them that had major problems.

    • @russkelly1684
      @russkelly1684 Месяц назад +7

      @drunken wobbles: totally agree; it deserves a video of its own. Whole complex should hold a Guinness Record for amount of concrete used.

    • @Marylandbrony
      @Marylandbrony Месяц назад +1

      ​@BuildingTales In general these are collapsed or seldom used stadiums. Not disappointments with semi-regular use.

    • @thedrunkenwobblies1331
      @thedrunkenwobblies1331 Месяц назад +3

      @@Marylandbrony The roof of Olympic Stadium has partially collapsed twice. They are currently spending another 250 million dollars to repair it with no tenant. Also, the stadium wasn't the only building on that chunk of land with engineering failures. And there really isn't a more expensive venue in terms of how much it has cost in terms of building it and repairing it. I believe the initial cost, adjusted for inflation, is something like 5 billion.. So almost twice as expensive as SoFi in LA if you count just the building. The roof, which was a huge engineering feat and what cost a ton of money, never even worked.

    • @mentalillnesstheatrepodcas7686
      @mentalillnesstheatrepodcas7686 18 дней назад +2

      Absolutely. Kind of ridiculous to cover a high school in Texas and, somehow, miss The Big Owe >

  • @marklittle8805
    @marklittle8805 Месяц назад +24

    The Olympic Stadium in Montreal is the poster child for failure. It was not finished on time, it was souless for baseball and it has had a number of structural issues

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад +1

      Yep that's definitely a big one!

    • @David-lx4yb
      @David-lx4yb 22 дня назад +2

      Do the Montreal Alouettes still play there?

    • @BBB-Schmuck
      @BBB-Schmuck 14 дней назад

      He's too young to remember that. You're going back to 1976...this kid looks 22, he'll have to look it up.Bruce Jenner had a pecker back then and won decathalon.

    • @marklittle8805
      @marklittle8805 13 дней назад +2

      ​@@David-lx4ybthey do not. They hosted an Eastern Final a few times there and a Grey Cup was there but the Als play out of Molson Stadium on the campus of McGill University. A far cosier little stadium

  • @JBM425
    @JBM425 Месяц назад +3

    There was a new arena project in Port Huron, Michigan in the early 2000s that was privately funded adjacent to an outlet mall in the outskirts of the city. The current McMorran Arena in downtown Port Huron only seats about 3,000 and this new arena would have tripled that. Construction began, and about 1/3 of the support columns had been built when financing fell through. It was essentially abandoned in place, and nobody stepped up to take over the project. I’m not sure if it was finally razed for redevelopment.

    • @JBM425
      @JBM425 Месяц назад

      Update: the remains of that unfinished arena in Kimball Township were finally demolished in July 2014. Ironically, around 2006, a new arena was built just down the river in Windsor, Ontario using not only the plans for the Kimball Township arena, but also some of the materials originally intended for the Kimball Twp. facility!

  • @scarpfish
    @scarpfish Месяц назад +11

    "Sports venues can be a very good investment"
    Said no one looking at the financials of building such facilities ever.

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад

      Seems like a bit of a generalization...

    • @shaunnichols1743
      @shaunnichols1743 27 дней назад +2

      Depends. Football stadiums have a pretty bad history for return on investment, but baseball parks are actually a decent value because they are guaranteed to be open 80+ days a year which is enough to support restaurant and hotel districts. If you look at places like San Francisco or Denver the ballpark changed the entire surrounding neighborhood for the better.

    • @wshwe
      @wshwe 4 дня назад +1

      @@shaunnichols1743The owners of the Giants privately funded their stadium. They didn't beg for corporate welfare.

    • @shaunnichols1743
      @shaunnichols1743 3 дня назад

      @wshwe I agree with you and FTR I am a Giants fan. However, they did get tax breaks and the right to buy properties surrounding the park. So it wasn't like they did the city a favor.

    • @wshwe
      @wshwe 3 дня назад

      @ They did do the City a favor. They could gone somewhere else like the 49ers did.

  • @sboyle71177
    @sboyle71177 28 дней назад +2

    The Panthers facility in Rock Hill, SC was a mess. They redid I-77 and the surrounding roads to accommodate higher traffic just for the whole thing to go tits up.

  • @levioattes6669
    @levioattes6669 12 дней назад +2

    Could’ve thrown hitters proposed mega-stadium in here aswell

  • @johnchambers8528
    @johnchambers8528 Месяц назад +4

    I would add to the list an abandoned horse race track. The rebuilt Garden State Park in Cherry Hill, New Jersey. This building was a new stadium to be a primer place for thoroughbred and harness racing that replaced the old burned down thoroughbred grandstand. It was to rival the Meadowlands in north Jersey. Unfortunately it was built just as casino gambling was growing in Atlantic City, New Jersey. That caused the interest in horse racing to decline and while it did attract good crowds for big race days it never lived up to its expectations. Eventually it closed down and today is the site of mixed use purposes like retail and residential and other uses.

  • @barrybach3685
    @barrybach3685 16 дней назад +1

    Great video man! You gained a new subscriber! I look forward to seeing more content!

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  13 дней назад

      Thanks, appreciate the kind words! Lots more videos on the way!

  • @torstenscholz6243
    @torstenscholz6243 11 дней назад

    Miami Arena is also an honorable mention. It was in use for exactly 20 years, from July 1988 to July 2008, and got demolished shortly after. And in Europe, a spectacular arena failure was the London Docklands Arena - basically an old harbor shed converted into an indoor arena, thus looking like a big, boxy warehouse from the outside, and located in a former harbor area, with absolutely terrible road and public transport access and very little parking space. It was in use for only about 16 years, from 1989 to 2005, and got demolished in 2006.

  • @billmcg1676
    @billmcg1676 Месяц назад +4

    Also, the ballpark at Arlington. Texas summer heat and outdoor baseball stadium: no bueno 😂

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад +5

      Very true! Its a shame about that, because otherwise it seems like a really cool stadium.

    • @billmcg1676
      @billmcg1676 Месяц назад +1

      @@BuildingTales Yeah, I never went there but it looked really cool. I guess one of the local colleges still uses it for football but as we all know baseball stadiums do not work well with football fields so it looks wonky. And it only lasted 20 years for the Texas Rangers.

    • @AEMoreira81
      @AEMoreira81 14 дней назад

      Indeed, until its replacement was built, they had a hard time attracting free agents. But they should have known since the problem existed with Turnpike Stadium.

  • @joshuamountz6891
    @joshuamountz6891 Месяц назад +6

    I would have considered the Richfield Coliseum in Richfield, Ohio. Built as the home of the Cleveland Cavaliers in hopes of building up the town of Richfield. The problem was that nobody wanted to move there ,the weather during the winter can be awful at times, and no easy access to most of the communities east or west of the town

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад

      Hadn't heard of the one before, I'll definitely look into it! Thanks for the suggestion!

    • @joshuamountz6891
      @joshuamountz6891 Месяц назад +2

      @@BuildingTales at the time it was built there was no easy access to Richfield from the western countries just a bunch of country back roads

    • @davidbfitz13
      @davidbfitz13 Месяц назад +1

      It was basically built in the middle of a remote forest and has since reverted back to that.

    • @AEMoreira81
      @AEMoreira81 14 дней назад

      I always thought it was built there because it was halfway between Cleveland and Akron. The problem was that Richfield is extremely rural and you needed a car to get there, and the only true access there was directly at the OH 303 interchange with I-271. Ultimately, downtown revitalization brought what's now Quicken Loans Arena to downtown. After Richfield Coliseum was torn down, it was reclaimed by nature.

  • @_NoDrinkTheBleach
    @_NoDrinkTheBleach Месяц назад +8

    Campbell's Stadium was a heartbreaking failure. It was one of the best features of the Camden waterfront.

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад +1

      Agreed... shame to see it torn down. Camden needs all the nice things it can get, so to see a gem like that prematurely torn down is kinda a shame.

    • @guyfaux3978
      @guyfaux3978 Месяц назад +1

      @@BuildingTales Its counterpart in Northern NJ, Newark, had Eagles/Bears Stadium, also part of a redevelopment project. After almost 20 years it too got redeveloped.

    • @johnchambers8528
      @johnchambers8528 Месяц назад +2

      @@BuildingTalesThe problem was not the stadium. It was the baseball league that failed. Without other teams to play there was no use for the stadium. Its location just off the riverfront May also hurt the attendance at that site. You had a long walk from any transit line and most people were afraid of crime in Camden.

    • @PhillyBagel
      @PhillyBagel Месяц назад +2

      The Atlantic League built taxpayer subsidized ballparks in Camden, Newark, Atlantic City, and Bridgeport, CT. They league never made money on those inner city teams and they all folded. Camden and Newark were demolished and the Atlantic City location will be leveled soon. Bridgeport was heavily modified into a concert venue and is unrecognizable as a ballpark. Amazingly, Gary, Indiana has a ballpark facing similar challenges but they’re doing well because they’re in a different independent league.

    • @davidbfitz13
      @davidbfitz13 Месяц назад

      @@guyfaux3978I used to enjoy going to Bears games in Newark. I always wanted to see the Camden park but it never happened.

  • @ItsJustStevesWorld
    @ItsJustStevesWorld 14 дней назад +2

    Evergrande Stadium, at 100K, would’ve been the largest football only stadium in the world? Ahem. The Big House, Ohio Stadium, Beaver Stadium, Kyle Field, Tiger Stadium, Neyland Stadium, Bryant-Denny Stadium, and DKR-Texas Memorial Stadium would all like a word.

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  13 дней назад +3

      Football as in the soccer variety

  • @georgeblangfordjr.1771
    @georgeblangfordjr.1771 Месяц назад +5

    The Miami Marine stadium was featured on CSI Miami

    • @99somerville
      @99somerville Месяц назад

      Also an Elvis movie in the early 60s.

  • @geoff3103
    @geoff3103 Месяц назад +6

    honorable mention: Seetgeek stadium in Bridgeview Illinois

  • @skidawg22
    @skidawg22 Месяц назад +5

    Kemper was recently repurposed as a community center.

    • @AEMoreira81
      @AEMoreira81 14 дней назад

      ...now known as Hy-Vee Arena (the city also sold the building and got it back on the tax rolls).

  • @chrismickunas8130
    @chrismickunas8130 27 дней назад +1

    Ah Kemper, can’t even count the number of KC Blades games, concerts and other events I’ve been to there. Even though I was not even 10 when the roof collapsed I still remember those stories after it happened.

  • @antonellogiannuzzi6609
    @antonellogiannuzzi6609 Месяц назад +2

    You should look about the Calatrava's Sails in Rome. It was supposed to be an olymplic like sport city but it was never finished

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад

      Definitely will, thanks for the suggestion!

  • @anthonyarchuletasr7018
    @anthonyarchuletasr7018 Месяц назад +8

    You forgot Levi stadium in Santa Clara, California

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад +3

      I might have to make a part 2 video! Appreciate the suggestion!

    • @dannygreene6257
      @dannygreene6257 Месяц назад

      Levi's Stadium is not a failure as the 49ers play there

    • @Jackofspades76
      @Jackofspades76 Месяц назад +5

      A failure when its warm and there is no escape from the sun

    • @shaunnichols1743
      @shaunnichols1743 27 дней назад

      If you mean the heat that's only an issue for a few days out of the year. Yeah it's annoying but it's nowhere near the places on this list.

    • @shaunnichols1743
      @shaunnichols1743 27 дней назад +1

      @@Jackofspades76 go down to one of the concourses at the corners. You get a nice breeze and a closer view of the field.

  • @CrystalClearWith8BE
    @CrystalClearWith8BE 3 дня назад

    Imagine I wanted to propose and build a new sports complex that includes a new soccer stadium for the national spccer team, a two arenas for multiple sports such as basketball, volleyball, and badminton, the sport I play with. I want to reclaim land to build a sports complex since space in my metro area is limited, but how do I do that without failure? Also, reclaimed land cost a lot of money to invest with too.

  • @shaunnichols1743
    @shaunnichols1743 27 дней назад +2

    Oakland Coliseum. They took all the money for maintenance and renovations and used it to build a massive upper deck that ruined the atmosphere and never even got used. Meanwhile the stadium authority was so in debt they couldn't even do things like replace plumbing and repaint the walls so the whole stadium fell into disrepair.

    • @patrickdare5356
      @patrickdare5356 25 дней назад +1

      Isn't this where the dugouts flooded because the sewer system backed up?

    • @shaunnichols1743
      @shaunnichols1743 25 дней назад +1

      @@patrickdare5356 More or less. They tend to have issues when it rains. The field is below sea level and built on what is essentially reclaimed marshland. Combine that with not spending on upkeep for a couple decades and things tend to get poopy.

  • @MrDougman59
    @MrDougman59 Месяц назад +1

    There was a San Francisco PCL baseball stadium, Ewing Field, built in 1914 only used for that purpose for one year.

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад

      Very cool! I hadn’t heard of that one before!

  • @kingdommanlegacyministries7769
    @kingdommanlegacyministries7769 18 дней назад +1

    I've been in the trades my whole adult life, 40+ years, running million $ jobs & doing thousands of individual jobs.... ANYTHING not passing code is the problem & responsibility of the whole permit & inspection process.

  • @johnmaster3748
    @johnmaster3748 Месяц назад +11

    Kemper Arena's roof was an engineering failure. But before and after, the building served its function. It was eventually superseded by a more modern arena. But the building was repurposed successfully. I am not sure that qualifies as a failure of development.

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад +2

      That's a fair perspective! It is pretty impressive that despite the initial problems, it has seen so much use in the decades since

    • @jamesfields2916
      @jamesfields2916 Месяц назад +1

      Agreed.

    • @MichaelSmith-mi2vr
      @MichaelSmith-mi2vr 28 дней назад +1

      Kemper Arena has hosted NCAA tournament games as well as the 1988 Final 4, where Kansas defeated Oklahoma in the championship n

    • @jamesfields2916
      @jamesfields2916 28 дней назад

      @@MichaelSmith-mi2vr Cost me a lot of money! I had Oklahoma iny pool

  • @afterburner94
    @afterburner94 Месяц назад

    The google earth views made that top 10 video rise above anything else. Gelreat job editing it together !
    Its staggering the amount of money poured into failed sport stadium or buildings whil money would have been better spent on regular infrastructure like roads and bridges.

  • @johngladding2315
    @johngladding2315 19 дней назад +3

    How about the football/baseball stadium in Sacramento. Abandoned hallway through

  • @mattknicky8919
    @mattknicky8919 Месяц назад +4

    No Greece or Brazil olympic stadiums?

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад +3

      I made a video specifically about some of the failed olympic venues a month or two back so for this particular list I decided to leave those ones off. But they definitely are some of the most striking examples of failed sports venues!

    • @torstenscholz6243
      @torstenscholz6243 11 дней назад

      TBH, a video about every Olympic venue or FIFA World Cup stadium that was rarely used after these events would be very long.

  • @TonysMusic1974
    @TonysMusic1974 13 дней назад +1

    Your audio keep kicking out.

  • @mikejacobs7464
    @mikejacobs7464 Месяц назад +2

    Videotron center in Quebec City and Sprint Center also in Kansas City should have been mentioned due to both the facilities were built specifically to lure a major league (NHL or NBA) team to which neither venue has managed to get!

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад

      Both good suggestions! I'm going to need to make a part 2 video!

    • @bradleyminoski2020
      @bradleyminoski2020 Месяц назад +1

      At least with the Sprint Center, they constantly get concerts, wrestling and the Big 12 tourney to make up for that.

    • @dickensonfarms
      @dickensonfarms Месяц назад

      ​@bradleyminoski2020 same can be said for Centre Videotron. The Remparts Major Junior team plays there and regularly tops the CHL. The Quebec Peewee Hockey Tournament is also held there

    • @AEMoreira81
      @AEMoreira81 14 дней назад +1

      Videotron was built to replace the Colisee Pepsi, which opened in 1949. It closed when Videotron closed in 2015. Colisee Pepsi was used for storage until 2023, but as that building is 75 years old, I expect it to be demolished.

  • @WanderingCanadian1
    @WanderingCanadian1 15 дней назад +1

    Why is the first stadium a fail exactly? Its still in use, it just had major deficiencies, which were fixed. That shit happens, but the stadium is in use now, so not really a fail

  • @justsamoo3480
    @justsamoo3480 11 дней назад

    It’s wild that Tor Vergata arena complex in Rome isn’t mentioned on this list.

  • @bobzelley5100
    @bobzelley5100 27 дней назад +1

    Have you been to the Camden stadium. It was the poorest population and most dangerous of any stadium ever built in the lower 48. It was built to spend money .

  • @toneale
    @toneale 28 дней назад +2

    This list is incomplete without including the Alamodome.

  • @willijs8
    @willijs8 27 дней назад +1

    How is it a failure if it's repaired and still in use?

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  26 дней назад +1

      Generally it’s considered preferable if your stadium doesn’t collapse

  • @99somerville
    @99somerville Месяц назад +4

    Somehow I know taxpayers got hosed on these structures.

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад +1

      Unfortunately it does seem to work out that way most of the time

  • @Alan-lv9rw
    @Alan-lv9rw 11 дней назад

    Just because the contractor screwed up doesn’t mean the plan to build the stadium was a bad idea.

  • @Happymali10
    @Happymali10 Месяц назад +1

    I think you cut the audio for number 3 off a tad early.

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад +1

      Yea, im still kinda new to video editing so its still a little clunkier than I would like ... but definitely working on it and hopefully future videos will be a little smoother!

  • @BradyKaynee
    @BradyKaynee 26 дней назад +2

    And Kemper Arena is where the fatal accident of Owen Hart happened.

  • @zionavey1673
    @zionavey1673 19 дней назад +1

    Miami marina is not a fail. It's still standing. The sport died out for racing. The marina has stood the test of time.

  • @bapples
    @bapples 29 дней назад

    6:20 ironically in 1981 KC Hyatt walkway collapse two years later led to the death of 114 people.

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  27 дней назад

      Crazy that a whole stadium roof can come down with no casualties, but that walkway incident was so devastatingly awful

  • @firebird6522
    @firebird6522 21 день назад +1

    Not sure how you could consider the Allen football stadium a failure. The construction and the design firms did a bad job and they had to fix it at no cost to the school district. It's now been fixed and has been in use ever since. So how is that a failure? Is it over-the-top for a high school stadium? Probably everywhere but Texas. I don't live anywhere near Allen and have nothing to do with them, but I took a closer look and the school district is a very good one, most of the kids go to college, there are few dropouts, and the local taxpayers had a choice to approve the spending for the stadium. So where's the failure?

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  21 день назад

      Thanks for watching! Interesting thought!

  • @MichialMathews
    @MichialMathews 26 дней назад +3

    HARTFORD Whalers, Not New England Whalers.

  • @troyarrington5492
    @troyarrington5492 Месяц назад +4

    The Miami marine stadium was in a video game. But I can’t remember which one 🤔

    • @MBG141
      @MBG141 Месяц назад +2

      That would be Driv3r (Driver 3) in the Miami level. It's surprisingly not in GTA Vice City. Hopefully it's in GTA VI!

  • @BrandanTheBroker
    @BrandanTheBroker 4 дня назад

    The less we talk about Kemper Arena as wrestling fans, the better 😢

  • @raymondlyons361
    @raymondlyons361 Месяц назад +6

    The money spent on all this "special" infrastructure that could have been spent better in other areas.

  • @levioattes6669
    @levioattes6669 12 дней назад

    Campbell’s stadium was awesome, nothing beat the view

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  10 дней назад +1

      Agreed, the view from that spot is amazing! Wish I could have seen it back when the stadium was still up!

  • @octavius9685
    @octavius9685 25 дней назад +1

    Crazy how Texans are proud of being "free" and "less regulation" but cant even build a damn HS football stadium thats safe, let alone those cardboard houses...

  • @garyamaral1648
    @garyamaral1648 3 дня назад

    Indoor shooting range? Irony in Memphis 🤔🤔

  • @JimboInTheHouse1
    @JimboInTheHouse1 13 дней назад

    I'd be real mad if I was a non-football player or fan and my school tax money went to build that monstrosity.

  • @DanB3286
    @DanB3286 28 дней назад

    How did Hawaii Football stadium get left out

  • @stevenbauer4799
    @stevenbauer4799 Месяц назад +4

    Richfield coli. ohio. Built for cavs wha nhl played there. Built so far away from cleveland it should have had a pennsylvania address.

    • @JBM425
      @JBM425 Месяц назад

      Wrong. It should have had a Canton or Akron address. It was built to the south/southwest of Cleveland, not to the east.

  • @jimrinard1969
    @jimrinard1969 Месяц назад +2

    Look into the Rosemont Horizon!

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад +1

      Will do! Appreciate the suggestion!

    • @JL-sm6cg
      @JL-sm6cg Месяц назад +4

      It's now Allstate Arena, and it does get a lot of use, though mainly by concerts and the WWE. What was its original purpose, though?

    • @jimrinard1969
      @jimrinard1969 Месяц назад +2

      @@JL-sm6cg when it was being built it collapsed due to faulty bolts I believe.

    • @JL-sm6cg
      @JL-sm6cg Месяц назад +2

      @jimrinard1969 oh, that i wasn't aware of. I was thinking usage rather than it falling apart.

    • @davdhartung9817
      @davdhartung9817 Месяц назад

      College basketball and minor league hockey ​@@JL-sm6cg

  • @donreed
    @donreed 16 дней назад

    11/09/24: 08:05 that's the ugliest building ever built in America. OK, one of the 100 Worst. But then again, CT is pretty much a wasteland, so at least it's logical that such a horrible design ended up in Hartburnford.

  • @terracub
    @terracub 12 часов назад

    I think you should point out that it can be a great investment for the investors because it's paid for by public money. And they get screwed every single time

  • @Godzillajeff
    @Godzillajeff 26 дней назад

    That Levi stadium Qin California is UGLY.

  • @haraldgrundetjern2184
    @haraldgrundetjern2184 Месяц назад

    Deutsches Stadion shold be on this list, and we shold be tankful that it was never built

    • @BuildingTales
      @BuildingTales  Месяц назад +1

      Haven't heard of that one, I'll definitely look into it!

    • @torstenscholz6243
      @torstenscholz6243 11 дней назад

      Well, you said it yourself, it was never built. If we included every stadium or arena that was planned but never built, this would be a very extensive video.

  • @PeaceToAll-sl1db
    @PeaceToAll-sl1db Месяц назад +3

    some crazy projects on the list
    Don't forget to vote for Donald Trump for President

    • @bradleyminoski2020
      @bradleyminoski2020 Месяц назад +3

      No thanks pal. I want a actual competent person running things!!!

    • @PeaceToAll-sl1db
      @PeaceToAll-sl1db Месяц назад

      @@bradleyminoski2020 kamala harris is a fool - she has the vote of the DEI, the racists and the ignorant