Peavey Invective vs Engl Fireball 25 - Gain Channels
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- My 2 cents is at the end, but to nutshell it, the Engl has a higher quality feel and sound to it IMO. Not to take anything away from the Peavey cause it's a great BEAST of an amp and a bit cheaper to boot. The Fireball paired up with the matching though is a dream come true - it's just perfect!
Thanks for that video , i was actually looking for that comparison . I´m looking for a new amp after i got my new guitar and the choice was between the Peavy and the Engl . Looks like the ENGL won by miles , lot thicker sound , just way more chug . I think the Peavey is a great Amp as well , but at the end of the day the type of music you want to play is important . I´m a mofo who loves death metal , so the Engl is the way to go for me . You got a new sub , greetings from germany \m/ .
Thanks man! Happy death metal chugging, YES she be Thiccc \m/
@@oldguyjammin9732 well new guitar first , getting the Schecter C-1 Apocalypse FR -S at the end of the month . But i´m really looking forward to the day i´m holding the Fireball 25 in my hands . I´m totally hooked :-D . Only thing which bugs is the expensive cab O.o and its weight , i want to use a 212 V30 cab with this amp but geez the ENGL cab clocks in at €600 and weights a ton with 35kg/ 70 pounds . I discovered a nice Harley Benton Cab also V30 speakers . closed cab but costs even under €300 , just not sure about the sound ....well first world problems hahaha
@@antonwilding9744 - lol, first world problems!! I know what you mean, I have to sell 3 guitars and just can’t figure which ones to put up... it’s a real issue!??! The Engl cab is a total vanity purchase ha ha. It does sound really good though, it’s oversized with a port in the front LOOKS KILLER with the head sitting on top :) I’e heard demos of those Harley Bentons sounding as good as Mesa cabs...? Good luck
The ENGL blew it away, as it should for the price difference
You've tried basically every amp I'm ever interested in buying
Well did you buy any? Have you decided what it is you “think” you want? Nice to have so many options, a guy can really get specific with tones, features and options... funny thing is, they all do pretty much the same thing, and many for a whole lot less ;-) it’s the music that matters. Page and Clapton changed the world with little fender combos, lol.
Dont know why you dont have more subscribers.... (Been following you for years now). Good job on comparison, Engl sounds more modern and if this was a blind test I would choose Engl. But in the end.it would probably be Peavey as it is more forgiving on playing😀
Appreciate the support Spiral D :) it takes a lot of social media prowess to really grow, or be really entertaining like Stevie T - like him or not, that nut job has tons of talent and he’s also willing to act the ass once in a while, lol. Both are gig worthy amps and full of very useful features. Now go out there and get me a million more subs!! \m/
Peavey sounds good but it seems the engl has more definition more articulate and tighter. From my cell lol
You nailed it
Nice vid! I've got both these amps too. I agree with most of the things you say. But I do think the ENGL is quite a bit louder, even on the 1w setting. So if great tone at lower volume is important to you (the reader) than definitely go for the Invective! It can get a lot more quiet and still keep a great tone.
The Invective does sound mushy when you turn up the gain dial, true. But just use the build in boost, it tightens it up and sounds great when engaged. Amazing tight brutal tone imo!
I'll have to disagree on the Engl attenuation but I will say how much I miss the Invective. I could hit the tight switch, set up a killer crunchy rhythm tone and then switch the tight off for a searing lead. It was more aggressive than the Fireball imo. Your email has me looking for used Peaveys, lol
@@oldguyjammin9732 Well they are both great amps and my two cents are very subjective offcourse, I realise that. But I agree! The Invective does sound very aggressive and I love it for it. The palm mutes are nastier I think. The Invective is a brighter amp and the Fireball warmer and bigger sounding. Keep up the great vids, Im enjoying them. Best, from The Netherlands :)
@@oldguyjammin9732 I just went back to the old Fireball and I stand corrected... You're right! The attenuator does work fine after some fiddlin. Turns out the Master needs to be past noon on low wattage outputs for the tone to stay intact. Its still a lot louder than the Invective though. Thank you for making me revisit the amp again and proving me wrong ;)
Invective is great with boost on, tight off, gain at 4. Same with everything you have to dial them in.
Even better with an external boost! I'm using the MXR M77, it gives the amp a lot of extra balls, lows and low mids (because of the 'bump' switch). I always thought the amp was lacking in the lows a bit before. Probably because of the EL84 tubes and the in build boost shelving of a lot of low end. Since the in build boost is more catered to drop tunings en djenty stuff. But I like to play standard and drop D, for that the M77 is a godsend. Dream Amp now 🙌
Great review. One of the better commentaries on the contrasts between the two amps.
12:10 - lol. I don’t get this at all from some people and agree with your take. The Fireball has insane levels of gain. Quite possibly ENGL’s most gain intensive amp or at least tied with their most gain intensive ones. The only difference here is that it tightens up as it’s dialled up, which makes it usable even at maximum levels while the Invective could probably use the tight switch at higher settings. It’s all quite meaningless though: both amps have more than enough gain with different voicing.
I’d say you nailed it, the ENGLs have plenty of gain just voiced differently. In order of dry aggressive and brittle to thick and saturated I’d put it this way Mesa V, Ironball, Invective, Fireball with the Invective and Fireball being my favorites. Thanks for cruising by!
The Peavey is a bit dryer and more brittle, sometimes that’s a good thing ;-)
shouyldve had the eqs set at noon on both amps. peavey is 1:30/noon/11 while the engle is about 2/1:30\1
You can do it that way, but I tried to dial the same tone by ear, you know… best tone from AMP A and here’s the best tone from AMP B. I sold the ENGL cause it just lacked the aggression of the Invective.
@@oldguyjammin9732 That my reason for buy9ing the Invective., Should have it next week, Cant wait.
I have the engl, but this is what I was looking for. Just found an invective mh. Love the dryness of it
Yes, for as similar as they are, they really are quite different. Don’t get rid of your Engl though :o
@@oldguyjammin9732 i may do that. My first tiny amp was the revv g20. At first thought it was squishy sounding, then got a friedman jj jr which I love but doesn't have enough gain, but damn is it articulate. Then got the engl, and now that's a metal amp, but its way too thick. So hopefully invective it is. I was only supposed to keep one but it's hard not to keep em all lol.
Anyways, have you tried the revv g20. I thought it sounded bad and squishy at first. Added a soul food as boost and now its my fave so far. That combination is super aggressive. Hoping the invective sounds like that without requiring boost.
@@SimpleAndyRock - I have not tried the Revv but did try the trio of Revv Pedals but found them all so squishy and digital sounding that I figured I’d pass on the amp. I tend towards dry and know exactly what you’re talking about with the invective vs the engl. I’m selling my Mesa Rectoverb rather than so I can keep both. I’m just not warming up to the Mesa.
@@oldguyjammin9732 Hey my iinvective just arrived. i wanted to ask you, in cse its just how these are. But on the 20watt mode, if I tap the knobs of the amp with my fingers, I can hear that in the cabinet. I think mines has some microphonic issues, but I wanted to ask if yours does the same.
@@SimpleAndyRock - I’d say you’re right, tapping on the knobs should NOT create pinging. Luckily it’s easy to work on, remove the tube covers and with the amp on, gently tap each tube with a chopstick or pencil... you’ll easily find the offending tube. Replace it! You might even be able to do it without removing the chassi...? I think that front screen will come off.
The peavey sounds so much better! Holy crap!!
After a year with the Engl I ended up selling it and buying another invective… it’s just got way more hair!
@oldguyjammin9732 I just ordered an Invective MH. ENGL was on the list buts it's expensive. 😅
Peavy does it for me…very machine head! Burn my Eyes-esque.
Ya, it’s a very aggressive amp and sounds really good. The harmonics are ridiculous. The clean channel is a bit ‘meh’ but the rest of it is ‘oh ya!’
@@oldguyjammin9732 thanks for the reply!…interesting, I understand that Peavy and Misha worked on the clean channel to make it sound better than the 6505…which of the two do you prefer? Engl or invective?
@@oldguyjammin9732 oh and what cab were you using? Was this mic’d or digital signal from both?
@@DRJTUBECHANNEL - imo the ENGL has a much better clean channel and takes overdrives nicely. It also warms ups, revs up nice slowly when the clean volume is increased. At full volume the clean channel provides a very nice and usable crunch tone.
@@DRJTUBECHANNEL - I was using the ENGL Pro 1x12 cab with a Eminence DV-77 speaker. However!! I put the original 8 ohm V30 back in that cab and moved the 16 ohm DV77 to smaller closed back all-purpose cab.
For your style of playing, a Diezel Einstein would be the perfect amp.
Thanks for the rec, when I have an extra $2-4K laying around I’ll look for one, lol. You’ve got me interested though, think I’ll check out some vids \m/
Peavey is just buzzing like a bee. No body, no balls.
From the comments in the end you preferred the invective my?
In the long run, YES. The ENGL is really nice but just can’t get you to ‘that spot’ when you want just a bit more of the filth. Beautiful amp, but Marshall-esc in my opinion. The peavey is an awesome little amp.
Awesome thank you for responding so quick. I bought a used invective MH from GC and the effects loop wasn’t working so returned and deciding on the ENGL vs invective mh new now. I loved the invective it fit all the needs except gunshy about the effects loop problem. I’m still leaning towards the invective it has so many features. I just wish the noise gate was adjustable I thought mine was too aggressive cutting sound
@@KB-uw6zv - I agree about the noise gate, while very functional and a bonus, why not have pot inside to fine tune it, or little knob or something… still awesome to have it there though. That ‘agression’ you talk about is exactly what I missed in the Engl, lol The Engl could just never get me there. Another really unique thing about the PEavey is the harmonic character when playing leads, just really searing and sustained tone. I love having the gain most of the way up on the crunch side (tight egaged) for rhythm and switch over to the gain channel and DAMN!! Enjoy \m/
Notice how quiet the Engl is during the gain demo...
Which has the thicker drive? By the way Happy Thanksgiving.
Ya, thanks! Happy TG! Easy, the Engl is thicker.
How does the fireball compare to a 6505
I’ve only had the 605 Mini Head. To that comparison I’d say the Fireball is less ‘fizzy’ and much thicker in tone than the 6505. For me, the Fireball and Invective are two of the best amps you can get for a grand. The Engl also has a better clean channel than the 6505 imo. Build quality is better too.
@@oldguyjammin9732 I currently own a 6505 and want more brightness, and less honky mids, but don't want an amp thats too brittle would a fireball or invective be better suited? Is the fireball brighter than a 6505?
@@alvarg it’s been a long time since I had my 6505 mh... but I will say that my treble and presence on the FBall are both at 11:00 and most of my guitars are on the darker side, so it would seem to me that there’s plenty of brightness to be had still if I wanted it. The Invective is more ‘brittle’ than the Fball as is the Engl Ironball and Mark 5:25. The Fireball is thick and warm and tight without being brittle or sharp. My Mesa amps all cause ‘ear fatigue’ that is to say, they sound great for a bit but then just start to hurt. I also have a hard time getting Mesas bright enough and always of the treble and presence dimed... something the manual says not to do, lol. You might try to get some listens from a JJ Jr too... more Marshall sounding but dang tight. The Engl with matching cab is pretty hard to beat \m/ damn sexy.
*gain-channels
Because how do you gain a channel (or more)? :-o
Cute... I guess..?
Hey OG!
Hey Mac! Happy Thanksgiving :)