Breaking News: ATF Pistol Brace Rule Is Dead
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
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Breaking News! The ATF BRACE RULE is DEAD and now you all can go back to putting all the sweet SB Tactical braces on your AR and AK Pistols without worrying if you're breaking the law or having to pay a $200 dollar tax and waiting for three months. WELL Kind of!
Judge Kacsmaryk in the Britto v. ATF case stated this:
"The Court is certainly sympathetic to ATF's concerns over public safety in the wake of tragic mass shootings. The Rule " embodies salutary policy goals meant to protect vulnerable people in our society" But public safety concerns must be addressed in ways that are lawful. This Rule is Not. For the foregoing reasons, the court GRANTS the motion and STAYS the rule in it's entirety."
HOWEVER, if you were one of those poor soles that Registered your gun during that 120 day period. Those guns are now officially considered SBR's which means you can put a stock on them but now you can't cross state lines with it unless you get permission from the ATF.
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ATF all up in their feeling. 😂
ATF 😥😢😭, we the people 😁😆😅🤣
See what happens when WE ALL stand 2A STRONG 💪🏾
Now to work against the sbr ban
Non compliance was key😅
Boom! Love it! 🤘🏻
NOW IMAGINE WHAT ILLINOIS CAN DO!
@@derek3154 Uh... 255,000 turds registering their guns was NOT non-compliance. How many more stripped their pistols of the eViL plastic parts?
This was a court win... thankfully. But nothing more. Thanks FPC, GOA, etc. and donate to them instead of patting ourselves in the shoulder.
We must continue to fight for our Constitutional Rights. FRT's need to be released from ATFs Grasp.
And forced reset safeties
Thankful for FPC for doing their job
Uh why not just full auto, sbrs, etc. all these rules are infringement.
Yeah they need to abolish all of the sbr laws. It’s stupid to say you can put a brace on it but not a stock.
@@backyardbowhunting3818as if the stock makes it more dangerous, smh
How does a $200 tax stamp protect public safety from the same weapon? It's a ridiculous argument.
Because it was never about public safety, it was about making NFA items prohibitively expensive. The $200 specified can never adjust for inflation because it's written into the Act, so the same $200 in June of 1934 would be $4,631.73 in 2024.
You ever seen a T-shirt or bumper sticker that said Death & Taxes.
Like how the poll tax prevented a certain group from exercising their constitutional right to vote. All restrictive laws are in place to prevent the poor and by default non whites from exercising their rights.
It baffles me that accessories to firearms can be ruled on by the ATF. They should be investigating actual crime not taxing the public for their already taxed dollar.
Why would the government want to investigate themselves?
What kind of crime?
you mean them selves?
@@desert4seatmmm…crimes related to alcohol, tobacco, and firearms I’m guessing…
@@someoneelse1i1iyou mean like when the ATF got caught selling gun parts to the cartels?
Here's what I don't understand. If the ATF can make "rules", but those rules are not laws, then on what grounds can they even enforce these rules?
Because no one else in the government will stop them from destroying you. The Supreme Court is quite flaccid and no one will carry out their decisions.
On the grounds that the government has the monopoly on Violence. They can enforce whatever “rules” they want so long as nobody checks them. Nobody in the Government wants to hold the ATF accountable. Local Sheriff’s don’t want to stand up for their citizens and stop the ATF from enforcing these unconstitutional rules. We are supposed to have a system of checks and balances but that only works if the people we elect are willing to check the government when it over steps its boundaries. very few people in congress wants to “check” the ATF on their blatant over reach. So instead we are relying on the Court system to do it. Which takes time.
Very true.
They just do it, then leave it on you to argue the legality after the fact, knowing the actual lawmakers will just let it happen. Convenient for them since you get to pay for both your defense and theirs.
Type Discretionary authority and rule making authority of federal agencies in your favorite search engine. It’s pretty wild.
Thank you sir for being one of the only firearm channels ran by a lawyer to just give a short yes or no video on what we all want to know.
No kidding. Too many other people making videos of well it's ok but might not be ok. But for now it's ok unless you get caught. So basically use caution because I think it's ok based on these facts but you can still legally use them.......
Fucking shit, nobody can ever give a straight answer
This just proves the ATF is bracist.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 CLASSIC!
You win the internet today 😆
😂
I see what you did there
🤣
Now we just need to completely get rid of the SBR laws in general 🤦♂️ Wait and only 255,000 registered their pistols? 💀💀💀 Good job Americans.
That is 255,000 people too many.
Knowing there’s millions out there and only 255k registered speaks volumes. Go home ATF, do something useful like not kill your dog
thats too many, a rule is not a law so no one should have done it.
Tbf that is about less than 7% of all pistol brace owners and there is a good chance those who registered were using this as a way to get SBRs (i.e. converting 9mm AR pistol into 5.56) without breaking their wallets.
Should've been 0, not 255,000. Yeah granted there's millions of pistol brace's out there, but if you ask me that's way to much that basically handed over something that was completely legal.
I had almost lost faith in our justice system.
😂 how do u have any faith left in our justice system? U think THIS redeems the system?
It’s still gonna be appealed, still needs to be finalized by SCOTUS. Hopefully the injunction holds till then
Don't put to much faith in it yet.
You should have NO faith in our justice system. Just the fact that it took so long for this to be corrected is pathetic.
The justice system in America is hopelessly broken . Look at Trump being charged with fraud for over valuing his property to get a loan that he paid back back in full that no bank felt defrauded and somehow that lady got a case brought against him anyways . They say Maralogo is worth 17 mill when with it having almost a hundred rooms and a shit ton of prime land but all his neighbors little homes worth 17 or more millions compared to his that are on 1/ 6th the property. That is only 1 example out of millions of reasons our justice systems is f* cked . Dont get me started on pedophiles that get murders getting out of prision before small time drug dealers .
255,000 people @ $200 a piece is $51 MILLION in the ATF’s pocket… damn…
"It's all about safety...unless you pay me $200."
Unless you want a silencer then you pay $200 to help protect your hearing and others around you.
No license or document fee from the government should ever cost more than the actual cost to handle paperwork, unless it is allowing you to use some limited resource like driving a car on a road, or hunting/fishing. You don't need a fishing license to fish in a stocked pond, or need a driver's license to drive on private property, but you need to pay to be allowed to have an accessory on a gun stored in your house, and used inside a private range.
The atf should have never had the authority to make rules. Even rules should have to be voted on by Congress. Then again it really does say SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Any time there's a majority in Congress that matches the party of the President, Congress hands over more power to the executive branch because they might not keep their majority past two years, but the President will be in office for at least four years, and 75% of the time, eight years. It just shows that "our" Congressemen's first loyalty is to their party, not their constituents.
@userJohnSmith It's really not complicated though. The only thing congress needs to vote on is an amendment to the Constitution. They either have the votes or they don't. Nothing else matters until they amend the "shall not be infringed" part out of it. Until then, there's no power to cede to illegitimate agencies because there's no power to infringe. 😂
The issue is that Chevron Deference gives them the authority to do so. Not just the ATF but other government agencies such as the EPA, FDA, etc.
@userJohnSmith Which was by design, to keep government small.
@@killerratchet1973 Except that _Sackett v. EPA_ changed the Chevron Doctrine so that agencies have to be able to justify their changes based on the history and intent of the law they're "interpreting." They can't just make up whatever rules they want so long as they aren't directly contradicted by the law anymore.
Yesterday a 3 time felon... today a reformed law abiding citizen!
Haha nice!
😂😂 I hear you
Lol
That WAS funny, and true.
Lol. That should be a T-shirt
Was never a rule, more like a poorly thought-out suggestion by a corrupt institution
I want to know if they put a severability rule in. If not, then isn't ALL of their "rules" now unconstitutional.
They are infringements, not rules.
Not even close to a law
Best sum up. Clear. To the point. Others can't seem to do this. Thank you Colion.
Abolish the NFA. And shut down the ATFs egregious law making.
And IRS
ATF doesn’t make laws
@@uncle_buck.5274they de facto do
GCA and NFA were treason from the second the traitors passed them.....
Write more fiction? Make humans use it as if it isnt?
THE ATF HAS NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO INHIBIT OUR RIGHTS!!!!!!!
They enforce law not create law.
Thank you so much for taking the time to type that comment, in all caps, no less. Because we would have never known that if you hadn't taken such a bold stance...
@@deangullberry5148too many have no clue these fed agencies have zero constitutional authority to exist. We all need to be telling everyone we know till people wake the hell up
@@deangullberry5148 It's called expressing frustration. You'll learn how humans communicate at some point, lizard boy.
Unfortunately, they don't need authority when they have power and force.
Thank you to everyone who worked on this lawsuit for the 2A and supported it for all of US!
Can the ATF be sued by those who destroyed their bistol braced weapons?
I'm sure that the ATF will reimburse them. Just like the people that spent hundreds on longer barrels. Then you have guys that took advantage of the grace period and registered their now SBR's with no $200 tax stamp. The problem is the fact that you, and your now NFA firearm, are now on a list, with pics and serial numbers and all. Oh, and keep it in state, or ask permission from your ATF daddy to take your second amendment across state lines. I'm sure they'll get back to you in no time at all...
Now...where did I bury them.....😅
While you’re at it make sure they reimburse you for that weak backbone
Now why would you have done that?
@@123karismithbury?
All right! Now let’s get SBR’s legalized without having to pay and register!
I destroyed my brace as a law abiding citizen -but the craziest thing happened. I found one just like it in my crawlspace this morning. Must have belonged to the previous occupant. Lucky me. 😏
Mine was a temporary night stand. Now it's a paperweight because it got replaced with a more firm product...😅
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
damn, all that work designing a buffer tube less AR pistol. So the brace was legal anyways.
I imagine a bunch of fishermen will just happen to find some "interesting items" in nearby rivers and lakes. 😅🤣😂
HAHAHAHAHAH FUCK YEA BROTHER😭😭😭😭
Colion,
Thank you SO MUCH sir for the clarification and information! And thank you for all your videos and posts. So glad that the ATF pistol brace rule has been shot down; however, the fight is far from over. We all need to stick together and continue to support RUclips channels like this as well as letting our congress representatives know how we feel. Unfortunately we have a perpetual fight on our hands and it is going to take all of us! Thanks Colion!
ATF: "Pistol Braces turn your pistol into an illegal SBR..."
Me: *retaliates by adding stocks to pistols, turning them into illegal SBRs*
[no comment] 😉
I feel you brother but don’t incriminate yourself. As of now you can still get in trouble.
Did the same. Couldn't think of anything else to do.
You: should've added everything including a third hole because it's the same charge.
They really didn't think this through, did they? 😂
Now tell them you want to TRAVEL to disney land, and make them violate your right to travel as well when they deny it.
I strongly bellieve that we should never tell the authorities what we have. I rather ask for forgiveness and claim ignorance than for permission.
We are "private citizens". the government is a public agency but are allowed to hide whatever they want....
You don't have to tell them, Visa, Mastercard, and all the banks already report your purchases to them.
@@FallacyAsPraxis Thats why you don't use any of those to make purchases. You use case or other types of cards that are more difficult to track.
Great ruling!
@@FallacyAsPraxis,
What is Visa and Mastercard ?
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED isn't a complicated statement.
AT ALL
But it apperanlty is because they keep doing it..... and you all follow along just repeating yourself to no avail.
@@RP-ue9wy Give us the roadmap hero. What should we do? Attack the ATF? Protest peacefully? Enlighten us keyboard warrior.
@@RP-ue9wy We are just waiting for you to lead the charge Patriot! 😁
I agree with you. But our side has given and given. If and when we get our 2A back we need to never compromise on anything at all. No more “common sense” gun laws. Nothing. At all
Thank you, Sir, for keeping us informed, educated, and very entertained!
Hopefully those who got detained, fined, harassed, etc. over the braces during this period do a class action lawsuit against them.
If they complied, they probably don't deserve to own one.
GR8T IDEA !!!!!
What about the ones that fell for the free sbr tax stamp and are on the ATF’s list 😂
I think that the vast majority of ppl ignored the brace ruling and just layed low in the first place. I can imagine all of the braces that were stored just feet away from the pistols that they were formerly mounted on for months.
👀
That's probably because the asst. Atf director or whoever from the Atf said during a hearing people could just simply remove them and put them aside. That video floated around for awhile.
You took yours off?
Or just stayed on the gun
Never took mine off. Not sorry about it either.
Thank GOD! Now we need to work on defunding & abolishing the ATF.
I agree
Tried that 40 yrs ago. Came close actually. Deep state said no. So we still have ATF. These beasts serve our masters and are very convenient to our masters. They are going...nowhere, ever; unless the power they represent is rolled into a giant, single federal investigative agency.
Absolutely!
Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a government agency.
Yah like wtf is the atf actually even doing for the world anyway.
Thanks man. You're my favorite new gun guy on YT.
Absolutely love when Colion does videos like these. He gives the full recap of what’s been going on and lays it all out
What the Nation needs is a complete repeal of the NFA.
What this Nation needs is a complete repeal of every single restriction of the 2nd Amendment.
Fixed that for ya.
@@elesjuanyup 🙏🏼
@@elesjuaneverything except explosives
Fiction needs to be written that includes that? Humans need to be harmed to use that fiction even as if it isnt fiction? Thats unwanted.
@@bunk95 what the hell are you talking about lol
It’s scary and sad that one judge was able to stay an order from the ATF, yet our actual lawmakers tried to overturn the ATF, they voted it down. Just goes to show how fragile our Right can be.
Or how broken our government is!!! These are the people our founders warned us about, wake up!!!
Rights are inherent as an American citizen, they cannot be taken away or restored by anyone but you. Our rights aren't fragile, we are dealing with a corrupt government that's wiilling to step on them.
Thats why the courts exists. Its checks and balances working, shouldnt be a sad or scary thing. What you should be sad and scared about is that the lawmakers are VOTED in by us and we are putting these assholes in place.
It's either hand your rights over, or fight for them. And sometimes people get hurt in a fight.
lets remember why the 2nd amendment was ACTUALLY included in the constitution. so that rights may never be taken away, regardless of the current political regime's feelings about it.
ATF needs to be dissolved. Non-elected agency has NO right to make up stupid rules.
Can make all the “rules” they want. Still not laws. 👍
How is it a "rule" if they can throw you in jail? Sounds a lot like a law.
These people love to play word games -- it's literally a form of vvitchcraft.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 Controlling the dictionary is more powerful than controlling the money.
@@bwofficial1776 Newspeak, right out of 1984.
Maybe they can throw us in jail because we let them?
It wasn’t passed Congress so its not a law.
If true it couldn’t happen in such a great time. I decided last week, to start my 300blk build. Been ordering online and visiting stores gathering all the parts needed.
How does a rule that’s not a law, make you a felon if you don’t follow it?
Been asking that myself. I just dont understand the English language or something...
XCLNT QUESTION
Yep. Something similar happened to the C19 poke that people "were forced to get". Love hearing that excuse. It was also just a rule (mandate) and not a law. Hmmm.
because people who think they are "powerful" think if they make up rules with all this unstoppable power they have, then people like me and you will be scared and listen. Expecting us to fold over like a cheap tent and follow all their rules. They believe they have the power to snap their fingers and make American citizens do what they wish (:
your thinking too much
Thanks for the update sir
My local shop knew it was getting tossed out and kept selling the braces.
As should have every single damn person who owned one...
That was a bold move.
The brace itself was never illegal it was the configuration.
Otherwise leaving them on a getting a 16" barrel wouldn't have been an option.
It was never against the "rules" to sell a brace. It wasn't even against the "rule" to have a brace on a rifle with a 16" barrel.
So selling braces was never an issue.
Still a BS rule and I'm glad it is gone.
My bad in my head I thought they kept selling braced pistols.
Now we gotta get rid of the outdated sbr rule
I’m hoping this whole brace situation will become a judgment that removes that pointless rule
As a lawyer, Colion would obviously know what all this legal mumbo jumbo means, but I sure appreciate that he explains it in a nice, simple way.
VERY well explained. Educational and a fun listen. Well done.
Are you a lawyer? You may want to find another way, to start a sentence.
@@yourface3154 It is weird to critique grammar in the comment section of a RUclips video.
@@abonynge As not a lawyer, it really is not.
@@yourface3154 you must be new to the internet...
Thanks for not spending two hours to get to the point much appreciated!!!! Great video right to the point
This was the BEST SAID INFORMATION I have found. Thank you Colion for your GRAMMAR and plainly saying what the final verdict is.
Thank you for your GRAMMAR ???? Lol
Agreed! I've seen a couple videos dance around the simple question...is the rule no longer in effect??
@@loudfastfood2625is it official?
@@marcodioguardi1479 From everything I’ve seen it doesn’t sound permanent and will likely be challenged but as of now that’s speculation. As of this moment the brace ban is not in effect for everyone
I never cared.. I kept my brace on my sweet 300 blackout.. and genuinely moved on with life..
I bought an MCK for my Glock on an online auction site. I figured I'd just need to wait long enough for the ATF ruling to move through the court system for it to become legal again. Now, I can pull it out.
If the ATF is gonna make the safety arguement, how do they explain allowing cigarettes that are know to cause cancer? Alcohol TOBACCO and Firearms. I'm not sure the money they can make is a good arguement in court.
Or alcohol. My hometown just started allowing alcohol sales again and the number of DUI crashes skyrocketed.
Or all the illegal destructive devices used at riots.
@@CMTechnicawhere do you live that alcohol is illegal? Didn't know that was still possible in the states
@@michellelehky2374 I'm still sunday blue. We finally voted to be drunk six days a week. I use that vote count as a base for how many showed up at each election.
usually voted on by town or county. @@michellelehky2374
Now we need to ABOLISH THE NFA
Lol good luck
Oh look someone who gives up just because something is difficult.
If you're not that type of person, why say "LOL good luck."?
@@ashsteele7361because it’s unlikely
Never happening. It is about money. The 1928 nearly mint Thompson my grandfather bought new was valued at 450.00 when it was passed on to me. As a transferrable item, it is worth considerably more than that now……full-auto has become a rich man game. That is what will keep the NFA in place.
*ahem* Ramaswamy. Let the comments begin...
The NFA is primarily based on safety and in many cases I've heard "concealability" argued in tandem with "safety". Meanwhile, pistols are by far the most concealable genre of firearm platform available to both governmental and civilian bodies. The "high capacity magazine" thing falls apart when an individual can do things like carry extra mags and train mag changes to the point of high efficiency (something all branches of the military trains even with 30rnd mags in rifles, as an infantryman myself this was a mark of skill with my peers). So what actually IS the argument against SBRs and SBSs anyway? I'm not gonna shove a 10" barreled rifle in my pants and walk around like a half-retarded pirate, nor is anyone else. Furthermore, safety controls on long-gun platform are more pronounced and user friendly by comparison to those found on handguns. They're trying to regulate the poor use of tools by legislating the tools themselves, that can only go so far until irrationality rears it's head and that's where we're at.
In my mind the battle for gun control is a battle of general concepts and approaches. Do we outlaw the existence of things themselves, or do we outlaw actions? And individual can easily club someone with a small statue, do we outlaw small statues or do we outlaw clubbing people with them unprovoked?
So Forgotten weapons has a really good video on it, but originally pistols were one of the main points of the NFA but the congressman (edit: who were sponsoring the bill) didn't think they could get it passed with pistols on it, so they removed it, which takes out the justification for SBR's and SBS's because like you said, pistols are much more concealable. They also had to shorten the length for rimfire rifles from the original 18 inches in '38 so that 16 inch .22 lr rifles didn't get the $200 tax stamp, which was actually a quick change considering the NFA went into law in '34. They also changed the length of centerfire rifles in '60 when they realized that all the m1 carbines that were being sold to the public as military surplus had a barrel length of 17.75 inches, so instead of making everyone who the government had sold these to felons, they instead shortened the barrel length requirements for centerfire rifles to match up with rimfire rifles. And that's where we stand today.
Thanks for breaking this down in a way for easy understanding. And thanks for keeping this in our feeds and following up with these court rulings.
Now let’s get the NFA ruled unconstitutional!
Our best bet is to use the rationale of "voter ID is racist, NFA is racist. Stop discriminating against minorities!"
And . . while we at it . . FJB and his drug lord son ____ That is guilty as hell as well
@@zacharywilton9949 also the 200 government tax stamp is ridiculous, why make it harder for lower income people to exercise their right?
@@robert1539 Don't remind me of the tax stamps, I'll invest in tar and chickens.
Thanks for the clear and concise explanation. Not we just need the 5th Circuit to toss the idiotic Illinois laws.
And Connecticut
Illinois’s is in the 7th circuit
Not possible. Illinois is in the 7th Circuit. The most the 5th Circuit could do would be to rule against a gun ban case in TX, LA, MS (their district), and then the SCOTUS would have a split amongst the circuits and might take up one of the cases.
Since you don't know:
www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/federal-courts-public/court-website-links
Won't happen. It will need to go to the SCOTUS, and even then, I wouldn't hold your breath.
Shared this with my fiance. She's a big fan of pcc's and sb braces, but always with the questions that one lol. Thanks for the work you do because believe it or not Mr. Noir you help keep my family safe by empowering a mother with the knowledge she needs to exercise her 2nd Amendment ✌️
Yet 1 more reason to never comply with unlawful, unconstitutional rules or laws 😂❤️
Thanks for making this simple for us stupider folks. I watched two other lawyer RUclips channels about this and never could understand the bottom line. You made it simple, thanks
Life is rough huh?
Oh its not over.. I can almost guarantee that the AFT appeals this ruling or wins another case in a "friendlier" jurisdiction and drives this to the Supreme Court.. Mass non-compliance will be the only way to win this in the end..
There are a couple levels to go before SCOTUS. The good thing is that the injunction stands while the appeal happens. AFT should take its ball a go home rather than continue wasting tax money stealing rights.
Well according to an actual attorney this ruling is done, stick a fork it done. Even if the ATF does they will get shot down yet again. But I think and I have to agree the ATF's goal was to sucker enough people to register their pistol brace's. And it sounds like there was a few suckers that did just that. That being taking the bait.
@@Yourmommyisbusynot enough though. Only 200k out of millions 👍
nah, if it gets appealed it can only go to the 5th court of appeals which has CONSISTENTLY smaked the ATF's knuckles on this issue. THEN it goes to the Supreme court. the ATF is fried on this one. If they appeal it will get knocked down by the 5th.. their most likely choice of action is to pull the rule and then try and re-write it in a way that passes legal muster
Oh, I dunno... I think if *this antisemitism keeps cookin up hot, the Jews may end up the best thing that ever happened for 2A.* It might be the end of gun control. Like EVERY Jew is arming up I hear. That's a lot of people with a lot of political power.
Excellent explanation without beating around the bush. I thank you very much.
Thank you sir! Colion is the best! Thanks for keeping us informed
Its still painful having to wait months, sometimes years for politicans who would label finger pistols as a hate crime explain how pistol braces work. If these people took the time to learn guns properly I can at least respect their opinion for not being uneducated.
I don't think most will live long enough to learn about the topic. Last I heard from congressman Hank Johnson, our island may tip over due to too many people. Maybe that's why they congregate in NY and CA. It's a balancing act. 😂
Didn’t Brurn say that public safety interest is no longer permissible grounds for constitutionality there’s no more interest balancing?
Thank you so much Mr Colion and his team for posting this. I had bo idea weatger pistol braces for AR was Legal or not. I Do Now. Thanks again.
The ATF needs to be curtailed. Their powers needs to be reduced.
ATF, EPA, FBI, NTSB, HHS, USDA, pretty much every single agency.
*abolished*
They're a waste of taxpayers money
ATF budgets should be rotated among the States for infrastructure development, while ATF goes without any pay or funding.
I vote for disbandment
It’s amazing how hard they put time, money, and effort into a piece of plastic. Go after the people who traffic the actual firearm!
The ATF going after the ATF?
how ? republicans keep blocking any meaningful effort at doing just that.
@@jasonthered77Wait you mean ATF stands for Actually Trafficking Firearms?
You get straight to the point, not like these other podcasts that talks forever about nottin... good job 👍
Dude, thank you for explaining this in both technical AND laymen’s terms. There’s another guy here on RUclips that makes quality videos, but he sounds like a dang lawyer who just graduated college and is trying to impress his professor.
This is great. What worries me is that they'll try to pass rules and bills faster than the courts can process and strike them down. The courts aren't exactly known for processing 2A related cases and decisions quickly if at all.
Didn't courts have to tell California at least four times in one year that its lockdowns being stricter on churches than certain other facilities or groups was unconstitutional?
Yeah but their rules don’t actually apply to citizens of the US governed under the constitution. They’re full of Sh*t.
This is huge. Hell yeah brothers!
Thank you Brother appreciate All you do for us.
😂 Not me just coming to the comments for shopping list ideas
I may not always watch Colion Noir’s videos, but he is the person I have found that I trust the most when I want a quick, but good, explanation of what’s going on with firearms law.
did he mention that the rule can be reinstated upon appeal?
Congratulations to all those that had the guts to refuse to register. To those that didn’t…that knock at the door is your friendly ATF agent, just checking in.
And I say to the ATF, molon labe.
Lucky for me I was to confused what was going on especially if you’re new to this type of stuff
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1.) don't answer your door.
2.) if you never registered they don't know you own one.
3.) if they do knock and you do answer, you don't need to consent to a search.
4.) if you they do knock, you do answer, you do consent, and they see your stock, it's only criminal when added to the gun.
Thus all you really needed to do was not leave the brace attached and wait on the outcome.
If they knock on our door, our castle doctrine is more constitutional than their “rules”
Shout out to everyone who never took it off and never filed 😉
Just so I'm crystal clear... I could legally have an AR with 10.5 barrel with a pistol brace and not have to register it and it is basically treated like any other AR?
Thank you for your explanation of all this. You have put it in a way that is completely understandable. Better than the rest that have tried to explain it here on RUclips.
The fact they didn't give up when only 250k people bothered to comply despite the threat of jail still astonished me.
That's still a phuq load of people who complied.
@@gera2396all sheep that would bend the knee either way. They played themselves
@@gera2396 true but when the atf estimated there's 8 million guns with braces and congresses guesstimates 40 million 250k really ain't that many
@germerican2585 actually there weren't 250k people who registered them. The actual number of people were much less registering multiple weapons each. There were maybe only 89k people who did it. While there may be 250k guns, there weren't that many traitors among us.
I know a couple who were like “sweet, I was gonna SBR these anyway, now it’s free”.
Never, ever, trust a government agency for anything.
Amen !
The best and most straight forward explanation of this I have heard. well done.
Thanks Coloin for the breaking news update! Been waiting for this day for a long time! I really appreciate how you did a great job of summarizing the pistol brace rule change debacle in order to better understand the ruling that just came down! Now let's overturn the vertical fore grip rule next!
Glad I didnt destroy mine and follow that funky rule 😂
Don't worry, a lot of gimps likely did. 255K registrations is embarrassing.
Make no mistake. The ATF has a registry. They have a database of all gun purchases. How far back it goes we do not know at this time. They just claim that it isn't searchable so it doesn't constitute a registry. Do not believe for one moment that they don't know what you bought. Sure, there are many guns that they don't know about that but they will try to get the info on those as soon as they can figure out how to do it. Bet on that.
Of course they have an illegal registry. They're criminals, and they do what criminals do!
ATF records all this information in a registry yet they claim it isn’t searchable and is thus “not a registry.”
That doesn’t even make sense - the data is of literally ZERO utility and ZERO value if it isn’t searchable.
This sounds similar to their obtuse “silencers are not ‘bearable arms’ so they’re not protected by 2A…yet ATF still asserts its right to treat them as firearms under the NFA.” WHAT ??!!
Can’t the ATF do traces to find out where a gun was bought from? So how do they figure that out if there’s no registry?
@@DocMitchell69they run the serial number to find out what FFL sold the weapon then they send an agent out to that location to acquire 4473 records of that firearm transfer. They aren’t supposed to keep that information but I’m sure you’ve seen the video of the woman taking photos of 4473’s sooooo… registry acquired.
Rumor was they kept the registry on foreign soil (Canada) so searching it was not a U.S. crime technically.
I believe they supplied the UN with a list of American gun owners for "the proper time of disarmament".
I bought my pistol brace 2 years before the ATF changed their minds and issued the "Either destroy it, turn it in or else, you felon" order. So you're saying I can FINALLY take my gun back to the range with no hassle??
I’m so glad now we need to move on to our future 2a lives
Gettin spooky in Oregon. Trying to uphold magazine restrictions this week
You don't NEED a response for permission to cross state lines with an SBR. You NEED to send the ATF an email with the notification. You are not required to officially notify them via BAFT form 5320.20 unless you are PERMANENTLY changing residency from one state to another.
Thankful of FPC and the other companies fighting for our 2A rights. I will start donating money to them. Everyone needs to donate some money to them
I heard that “rule” and chuckled. No..I’m not taking the brace off and no…I’m not getting a longer barrel. I built it exactly for this reason. Accurate and great for close altercations. And HELL no am I paying any tax on it. Just stay quiet. The government shouldn’t know what guns you have. That gives away the element of suprise.
255,000 people who sold their rights to the ATF. To hell with those people
I was going to sbr mine anyway. May as well have done it for free.
It’s a laughably tiny number compared to the number of braced pistols out there, even by conservative estimates.
@@tehduke1776compliance to tyranny is support for tyranny
If you have a brace on your weapon and you're not disabled then you are complicit, basically, you complied. Don't be scared be free, just how the founders intended. "Yes master, I will put the brace on my personal property so that you won't punish me"...smh
@@CustomWeldingandFab sure Jan.
Colion, you're my favorite content creator, man! Thanks for all that you do, brother!!
Used to watch Mr Noir back in the day. He has morphed into a great 2A ambassador
That "Whooo Boy" sounded like Big Momma! 😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
255,000 ball-less souls now stuck with hard tracked SBRs
*deserved*
Congratulations you played yourself - DJ Khaled
That didn't age well did it ATF😂
FATF
@@fleatactical7390 Damn right!
The most important part of this has been that the district judges are ruling on 2A grounds and not just APA. Outside of liberal circuits we’ve had very little opportunity to win on common use cases, which may help against hardware bans in liberal circuits. Also seems to nullify congressional action on weapons in common use, which would pre-empt AW and magazine bans.
Always appreciate all you have to share, thank you!
I wonder how that applies to other "rules" about suppressors, vertical foregrips, muzzle devices, etc. that were all made for "safety."
The vertical grip on a pistol making it an AOW has always perplexed me. SO dumb.
@@JamesS.254 it's due to the definition of pistol having something along the lines of "fired with one hand"
So the additional grip means it's not a pistol by said definition. It's kinda dumb bc nobody is taught to fire a sidearm with one hand if a support hand is possible. And just bc the grip is there doesn't mean you have to use it 🤷♂️
Means to an end and it's sure not to benefit We the People.
@@matthewbeaver5026 Oh I know.
Damn, I'm so glad to hear this. Because it was also applied to my little airgun. These douchbags need to be stopped.
So, just to be clear.. I CAN put a brace on my AR Pistol...? 👀
The question I'd 100% love to know for sure
What do you mean “go back”? I never stopped lol
So now that this was ruled as unlawful, do those 250K people get thier $200 tax stamp back?
I'm going to just point out that alone was $50M in revenue through the ATF.
They complied with an illegal tax
it was a waived fee so they paid nothing it was just a free form 1 without a stamp
Glad you guys are having better luck with your court cases than us Canadians...
The 250k people who registered their braces, they are pathetic and what’s wrong with the 2A community.
i agree, what i don’t understand is how people that sold guns are advocating to register them so they can sell 3 thousand dollar honey badgers hahahaha
They are not part of the 2A community.
Liberals
Well I was going to put an underfolder on my DRACO anyway, so of course I registered "a brace" free of charge so I can do whatever with it down the road. Guess what, my Draco has an underfolder now and it was free. Call me pathetic, I have 93 weapons in my collection and that is something most "2A community" people only dream of...
@matyoka they'll do another freebie if they appeal n win ?
Hey there, I was one of the people who registered their SBR. 😂