This was me, first ever patio I laid 😂 for those slabs laid butted like that you want semi dry mix 5-1 sharp sand. Slurry the back of the slabs with just cement and water as you lay them, keep your bed full but ‘fluffy’ not compacted, then knock them down to level you want. Just respect one string line on one side and make sure they’re fully butted up together. And helps if you don’t have a big bald guy jumping over them!, don’t walk on them at all for 24hrs.
I lay these on a full bed of mortar 50mm deep , make a grove along the edges of the previously laid flags to alway for mortar spread , make a grove also in the bed tap down the same as you do with bricks and ideally leave a 10mm gap and point them up just like bricks ,they will set solid .Definitely need priming though .
Great to see you Post the video 👏👏👏 The Good, Bad and the Ugly! We All take on projects we Think look easy! It's like Brickwork you have your system of work, methods, trouble shooting etc, Each trade has it's Secret Sauce, As the Wise Foreman Once said " Show me a Man who Never made a mistake, will Never Learn or Achieve anything in Life". Paving, Its the type of Job when get to the End of it, you'll have it Mastered, Preparation and homework is Key to a Successful finish 😉
8 building sand 4 sharp and half a bag of cement. Mix like you are putting a mix on to lay stone. Lay your muck around the inside perimeter of the slab and then put a level on the muck you've laid. Put extra muck in places or less if necessary until it is level across one way and a slight fall the other way, bit of muck in the middle. Then, you can lay the perfect slab.
Screed rails for the dry mox, wet mix of you are struggling. Line each side then lay like brick. Sharp sand and cement mix for wet it better than building sand
definatley not a dry mix , soft and bit of sharp ,prime the back of slab with a slurry , work out the falls and string a line same as brickwork . use full beds with the morter dont put down dabs , from a bricklayer who likes a bit of landscaping
Most of our clients use dry mix nowadays, very rare they bed with mortar! Think that’s more for porcelain and stone rather than standard concrete slabs! Although what do I know 😂
Nothing wrong with that system especially if you plan to pull them up at some time for something better in the future but use screed rails as you would with block paving.
Thanks Andy, defo be coming out at some point! Just need to get something down and worry about it later 👍🏻 will get some screed rails or at least something to work to
If you’re laying on dry mate you’ll get tons of rocking, I’ve seen you say your clients use dry mix I’m sure you’ll be getting calls saying the flags are rocking, wet mix mate 4:1, slurry the back, those particular slabs some kiln dried at the end to fill any small gaps because they’re not perfect are they to be fair. Levels just set string lines and lay to the line you do bricklaying mate, can’t go wrong, bit of fall and you’re away
You’re right mate, went there this evening and a couple are rocking! Going to do rest in wet mix. When you say slurry the back, just give them a scrape of the wet mix? Any PVA or anything?
I’ve not laid concrete for a long time just stone and porcelain there is pro prime by instarmac, but that’s just extra cost these will bond to the mortar I’d think, pva and cement, bit of water and brush that on the back mate they’ll be solid 👍🏼
Use SBR, it's like an outdoor version of PVA. I just paint it on the back of pavers but some ppl add it to the mix for added stickiness, others mix it with cement for a slurry. I've never had a problem with 50/50 grit and building sand (toughness underground from grit and suction from building sand), wet mix gives suction and spreads to fill voids, full bed, SBR the back.
I'm sure you are better hiring a professional. Aco drainage between the slabs and the house could be a good idea. Slight angle of the slabs away from the house. By the way, the slabs you choose are not the best ones you could get ( unless you get them for free from one of the sites) Well done gents!
No need for aco drain, I can’t just add an aco unfortunately as they need to discharge into a storm and my storm has all been designed and signed off. There is a fall away from the house towards garden! Not the best slabs I know but budget is tight and I need to get something down as I have a dog! Will be time to replace over the years! 👍🏻
@@Tone_Team shape sand and cement should will be ok, no need to slurry as they are concrete slabs but nice bit of SBR on the back won’t hurt though. 20mm shingle down the back where the slabs meet the house. I’d do the line across the house first then you can set your sting line up for the other courses.
I always lay a mortar bed down and prime the underside of the slab to bond together.
Thanks 👍🏻been recommended couple of times now so defo do the same
This was me, first ever patio I laid 😂 for those slabs laid butted like that you want semi dry mix 5-1 sharp sand. Slurry the back of the slabs with just cement and water as you lay them, keep your bed full but ‘fluffy’ not compacted, then knock them down to level you want. Just respect one string line on one side and make sure they’re fully butted up together. And helps if you don’t have a big bald guy jumping over them!, don’t walk on them at all for 24hrs.
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I lay these on a full bed of mortar 50mm deep , make a grove along the edges of the previously laid flags to alway for mortar spread , make a grove also in the bed tap down the same as you do with bricks and ideally leave a 10mm gap and point them up just like bricks ,they will set solid .Definitely need priming though .
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They start rocking after a while like that
Great to see you Post the video 👏👏👏 The Good, Bad and the Ugly! We All take on projects we Think look easy! It's like Brickwork you have your system of work, methods, trouble shooting etc, Each trade has it's Secret Sauce, As the Wise Foreman Once said " Show me a Man who Never made a mistake, will Never Learn or Achieve anything in Life".
Paving, Its the type of Job when get to the End of it, you'll have it Mastered, Preparation and homework is Key to a Successful finish 😉
Thanks mate 👍🏻
8 building sand 4 sharp and half a bag of cement. Mix like you are putting a mix on to lay stone. Lay your muck around the inside perimeter of the slab and then put a level on the muck you've laid. Put extra muck in places or less if necessary until it is level across one way and a slight fall the other way, bit of muck in the middle. Then, you can lay the perfect slab.
On it
I use to always use screed rails on flagging flies down all about the prep
Yeah I see that on RUclips when I got home 👍🏻 good idea, thanks
All you can do is your best looks good mate
Thanks 👍
Whats in the cement id be looking at whats in the kettle nice 1 lads 👍
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Screed rails for the dry mox, wet mix of you are struggling. Line each side then lay like brick. Sharp sand and cement mix for wet it better than building sand
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Run it in course by course as well with your string lines
Try levelling the bed out with a metal float trowel with a flat edge
Use your brick profiles as screed levels!
Ahhhh, good idea 👍🏻
I only say that as your work is quality but with the variation in slabs would helped u out
👍🏻 hopefully be able to replace the whole patio in a couple of years, this is just something to get me in and get house completed
5-1 sharp sand slightly dryer than brickwork muck prime the backs with slurry I.e cement sbr water they’ll stick like 💩 on a blanket
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definatley not a dry mix , soft and bit of sharp ,prime the back of slab with a slurry , work out the falls and string a line same as brickwork . use full beds with the morter dont put down dabs , from a bricklayer who likes a bit of landscaping
Most of our clients use dry mix nowadays, very rare they bed with mortar! Think that’s more for porcelain and stone rather than standard concrete slabs! Although what do I know 😂
Dry mix is fine. Better off using a plasterer’s trowel for spreading.
We did think that when we were using our hands 😂 thanks mate
Nothing wrong with that system especially if you plan to pull them up at some time for something better in the future but use screed rails as you would with block paving.
Thanks Andy, defo be coming out at some point! Just need to get something down and worry about it later 👍🏻 will get some screed rails or at least something to work to
@@Tone_Team Profiles are fine 👍
I just use electrical conduit galvanised as screed rails and feather edge plasters to screed off in between pretty cheap
If you’re laying on dry mate you’ll get tons of rocking, I’ve seen you say your clients use dry mix I’m sure you’ll be getting calls saying the flags are rocking, wet mix mate 4:1, slurry the back, those particular slabs some kiln dried at the end to fill any small gaps because they’re not perfect are they to be fair.
Levels just set string lines and lay to the line you do bricklaying mate, can’t go wrong, bit of fall and you’re away
You’re right mate, went there this evening and a couple are rocking! Going to do rest in wet mix. When you say slurry the back, just give them a scrape of the wet mix? Any PVA or anything?
I’ve not laid concrete for a long time just stone and porcelain there is pro prime by instarmac, but that’s just extra cost these will bond to the mortar I’d think, pva and cement, bit of water and brush that on the back mate they’ll be solid 👍🏼
@@thomasthetankengine2257 thanks mate 👍🏻
Use SBR, it's like an outdoor version of PVA. I just paint it on the back of pavers but some ppl add it to the mix for added stickiness, others mix it with cement for a slurry. I've never had a problem with 50/50 grit and building sand (toughness underground from grit and suction from building sand), wet mix gives suction and spreads to fill voids, full bed, SBR the back.
Should have had joints to allow for variation in slabs
Not a big fan of jointed patios to be honest mate
I'm sure you are better hiring a professional. Aco drainage between the slabs and the house could be a good idea. Slight angle of the slabs away from the house.
By the way, the slabs you choose are not the best ones you could get ( unless you get them for free from one of the sites)
Well done gents!
No need for aco drain, I can’t just add an aco unfortunately as they need to discharge into a storm and my storm has all been designed and signed off. There is a fall away from the house towards garden! Not the best slabs I know but budget is tight and I need to get something down as I have a dog! Will be time to replace over the years! 👍🏻
Fred’s house is long gone,it’s an alleyway now - I live a stones throw from his other house in Midland Rd,30 years this year!!!💀💀💀
Jesus, 30 years
To be continued…. 👊🏻💪🏼
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Probably better off with a full wet mix with them thin small slabs.
Can I still use Sharp sand and add cement or do I need to order builders sand?
@@Tone_Team shape sand and cement should will be ok, no need to slurry as they are concrete slabs but nice bit of SBR on the back won’t hurt though. 20mm shingle down the back where the slabs meet the house. I’d do the line across the house first then you can set your sting line up for the other courses.
@@Jonathan-mk1ju thanks mate
@@Tone_Team Do not use building sand 5:1 sharp /cement put some feb in it to make it ply able
Lay them on wet muck mate fill the whole bed but bed out like you would on a wall and V it out
A lot easier using mortar 👍
Was thinking that but can I use the sharp sand I’ve ordered or do I need to use builders sand
@@Tone_Team4/2/1mix sharp/building/cement
Nice try lads no harm In Trying new things and learning how to do it
Learnt a lot if nothing else mate 👍🏻
Should of gave me a shout mate I’m a top slabber 😂 🙈
You can help next week 😂