nice to see that chris has settled in to being filmed while playing, can tell his nerves have calmed and his playing is so much better. well done lad. great player, keep it up!
Just as SRV is responsible for the "Heavier gauge of string is better" thing, he's also responsible for the love of the Tube Screamer, very nice collection
With all due respect for SRV, but I beg to differ when it comes to string gauges. I played with 10-52 for ages, but due to age and a little arthritis I switched to 10-46. And found out I like the sound better. And I know I'm not the only one. I think Rick Beato dit a clip about this.
My great uncle used to engineer in Nashville back in the 80s and assures me that SRV actually used a modified Boss Metal Zone into a 30w Crate amp in the studio. Never used a Tubescreamer.
I've noticed Lee's constructive criticism has become more nuanced and I appreciate that. It's a skill to sum up your thoughts in an honest way, but still speak from a supportive place. He often hits the nail on the head for me.
Even more so impressive is the ability to ad lib on the spot, it's quite obvious that Captain Lee and the others on Andertons TV doesn't use scripts, aside perhaps the most basic of outlines. "We'll talk about this and we'll TRY stay on the subject!" 😆😁👍
Watched this video twice now.. 2nd time around with headphones, absolutely insane the difference it makes.. you CAN hear differences when they A/B the pedals, but probably not enough of a difference to pay 10x the amount sometimes 🤯
I own a Bonsai and am happy with it. I find myself using 808 mode most. Need to do some more work on TS9 and 10. Thank you for the video. Good stuff as usually.
30:57 Either 808 or TS9 circuits do the modern metal (djent) "thing" well. The difference is subtle but they both do a good job of rolling off the low end while bumping the low-mids and adding a bit of push to the front end of the amp. Some of the more modern "modded" variations don't work as well for this because they kinda take away what a Tube Screamer does by giving low-end back and smoothing out the mid-hump. Run the gain low, level high, and tone to taste.
Im not that surprised if you cant hear the differences in the room with amps and such, but you can really hear differences here in my studio when he plays consistently into them as in 32:20. Far right pedal seems a little scooped, left one similar but not scooped, middle one has less crunch. All these could be just minor tolerances in the components or settings of the knobs though.
Back in the day, we always said "a Tube Screamer's a Tube Screamer's a Tube Screamer", meaning they all sound "basically" the same. Most of the difference between models was in the tone circuit, and even that was minor. The TS9 was always the most popular with working players (until the vintage craze started), even though they had a reputation for a little more variation from pedal to pedal than the other models. This was in the U.S., by the way.
My take away is the Bonsai did a great job emulating all of them. It had a bit more thickness through my speakers, but I believe that could be adjusted as well if you wanted. I use the ODR1 with a GE-7 EQ to tune it as my go-to, but they all sounded great. Excellent video.
I was wondering if the difference might be input / output impedance. There was definitely a real tonal difference, but very little difference in the actual voicing of the overdrive.
I agree. I always wondered why the boutique guys would try to get the “Tube Screamer” sound… without the input/output buffers that were part of the audio path.
What I've noticed from whatching these is that the person playing makes a lot of difference depending on what he's playing, where he's playing. It's going to sound different between going from the bass notes to double stops to triads. So switching between doesn't help unless you're staying in that spot. They have a particular sound, though. Like a warm blanket.
Nice to see someone that loves TS’s. It’s so hip to say “I don’t even like TS808’s”. My stock 2022 Ibanez TS808 and Maxon OD9 are magnificent. I had a TS10 and I did not care for it at all.
My first Tube Screamer (I still have it) was aTS5. My second 'Tube Screamer' was a PUE5 Tube FX 'board' - I like my Ibanez guitars and when this board showed up on Facebook Marketplace, I just had to have it. Most recently, after you had Josh (JHS Pedals) on, I just had to have a Bonsai. Guess you can never have enought! :D
I think that the sound between these pedals is so small that it comes into the range of the +/-10% varience that you get from components like resistors and potentiometers.
I feel like that's definitely a major factor in anything built before the turn of the millennium. Even today, using through-hole methods, you will certainly get a tolerance shift. Adjusting necessarily gives you sonic matches. That said, it's remarkable how similar all of the TS pedals are in that regard. I bought a TS10 for around $300 and then built one with vero, the settings and tones were basically identical to the human ear. A circuit is a circuit. Cheers!
@@RobertNolan Do printed pcb boards have tolerances as well? Like a 1% tolerance difference between 20-30 components in two of the same pedal. Could that make an audible change in tone?
@@eddiesigerexperience9803 I won't say it isn't possible, but it's likely that why capacitance issue are resolved with a proper input and output buffer.
@@eddiesigerexperience9803 i think you are confused about what tolerance is referring to. it's referring to the allowable amount of difference between a component's stated rating and its actual measurement. pcbs are just traces that connect the components together. i cant imagine that any slight variance in how well the traces on pcbs conduct from one to the other would contribute any quantifiable difference to a circuit overall. always willing to be proven incorrect though.
Really awesome! I have a TS-808HW at home a friend give to me. And i never tried a TS before. But the HW seems the best one i've read so often. And now in this video ... all sounds the same 👍
Great tones even before you wrecked it with a tube screamer (kidding)! To me, it shows how great Josh's Bonsai pedal is, because it gets so close to the each type of tube screamer.
I’m a Happy TS7 owner. Sounds great. Strong construction, the switch feels the most like a Boss pedal. The “Hot” mode is a great high gain overdrive. Otherwise it’s a great screamer, probably the most innovative for Ibanez.
They don't have the second hand ts7 coz I bought it and it is awesome. It's a ts9 in an ugly suit and it's so much easier to use as a lead boost because of the big foot switch. Thanks Andertons!
Great video and was the perfect timing for me after exploring purchasing and noticing some going for $1,000, and all the mods and Mystique. The Bown Sound esque. Definitely going to get a less expensive reissue vs chasing magic tone ✨️.
Got the cheaper ts7 and I can assure you: it sounds like a tube screamer! The hot switch is a mid boost with more bottom end. Crank it and it's still a round overdrive with mid gain
I drunkenly bought one of these for £20 on ebay. Finally tried it out about a year later and it's not moved off my board since, Great pedal for little money.
I got my ts10 almost 20 years ago for less than $60, I just wanted a tube screamer and could afford that one, no one wanted them then…I’ve still got it and I think it’s hilarious how much people are paying for them now
Bonsai owner, TS10 most of the time, works great for higher gain djenty things. Gotta say though, the best actual Tube Screamer variant IMO is the Maxon STS9 Pro+ (it's the 4 knob one).
Funnily enough, my favorite isn't even the Ibanez. It's the Maxon, but the TOD9 with a real tube gain stage in it. Which I appropriately learned about from Lee himself when he did a shootout with Rob's screamer clones.
The tube in the TOD9 is basically just a clean boost. The gain comes from the od circuit, which is basically a typical maxon ts circuit. Great pedal though
Best one I have ever heard is the Ibanez that has the emulator for all of those classic tube screamer’s in it. There is a + mode that is classic rock guitar tone perfection! And that concludes my algorithm boost contribution. Cheers from America!
The Tone Lok pedals are actually a really good range. I have several and they sound and work great. I was hoping you'd a/b it and the Soundtank with the others to see if they differed much, considering their "cheap" status. I have a feeling they too sound all but identical.
Challenge: All tube scream pedals in a row and all in action at the same time , and .... let's rock 'n' roll !!!! Go with the flow , distortion level 13 !!!! 😃
Awesome amazing just missing my tube screamer it never gets any love it’s a double pedal with a boost 808DX you can choose boost pre or post TS choose 9 or 18v , I never see it in a TS video
Personally I prefer the TS9 over the TS808. However I recommend the Maxon OD-9. I have a vintage Ibanez TS9 from 1983 and the Maxon sounds exactly the same!
Thanks Chris, personally I feel they are all great. I'd have been happy to have any of them as a kid. I think to be honest you can make any of these pedals sound great. The TS 808 is great but a little thinner than the TS 9 but one can probably fix this with EQ easily. The maximun blew me away. I think there's no difference between the TS 9 and OD 9. Sound identical. The TS 10 I didn't care for I found it muddy to be honest and more modern sounding. The Bonzi is killer and with a little low end rolled off I think you get them all in one box. Overerall I like the TS 9. I think from high's to low it's the best balanced of the all.
I recently paid a premium for a TS10 because one happened to pop up at my local GC. During my 3 day return period I A/B'd it against my TS9 and watched every random YT video I could basically trying to find a reason to return the stupid expensive pedal. In the end, I found that for me it does this very warm compressed thing on bends that I couldn't replicate on the TS9 and I could hear it on other YT videos, so it's on my board for the forseeable future.
For the 808 Dual Chip/Bonsai/New 808, I found that when they played then switched, I could definitely hear the Bonsai having significantly more low end. But then, when they would just switch as they played, I couldn't hear the difference. I guess I can't trust myself or my ears anymore...
Of course, as BOTH Josh Scott AND Brian Wampler have said very clearly many times now, they all sound the same (in that any circuit differences between 808, TS9, TS10, handwired, etc. are too small to hear and everything else is MYTH). BUT because there is a tolerance range for resistor, capacitor, and potenetiometer, you can find two of the same pedal that sound just a little different. JHS's Bonsai reproduces Josh's favorite specific pedals of each line, not because the circuit versions sound different but because he reproduced EXACTLY those particular pedals he liked best of each version.
I've played a lot of Tube Screamers. Every once in a while you find a bad one that's all compressed and thin sounding, but 99% of them sound pretty much the same, including clones.
nice to see that chris has settled in to being filmed while playing, can tell his nerves have calmed and his playing is so much better. well done lad. great player, keep it up!
Chris is a legend, love that chap! Thank you Capt Lee for having him on again. FYI; my favorite pedal was the “Tube Screamer.”
; )
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Just as SRV is responsible for the "Heavier gauge of string is better" thing, he's also responsible for the love of the Tube Screamer, very nice collection
the problem is...not everyone is SRV. That man was a freak of nature. I prefer lighter gauge strings to help my tone ring out.
With all due respect for SRV, but I beg to differ when it comes to string gauges. I played with 10-52 for ages, but due to age and a little arthritis I switched to 10-46. And found out I like the sound better. And I know I'm not the only one. I think Rick Beato dit a clip about this.
@@UCS0608 Stevie toward the end of his career was using 10s himself. His signature set from GHS however is 11-58.
My great uncle used to engineer in Nashville back in the 80s and assures me that SRV actually used a modified Boss Metal Zone into a 30w Crate amp in the studio. Never used a Tubescreamer.
Really refreshing to hear such a big collector of these things stress that they all sound the same.
I've noticed Lee's constructive criticism has become more nuanced and I appreciate that. It's a skill to sum up your thoughts in an honest way, but still speak from a supportive place. He often hits the nail on the head for me.
Lee's a businessman. He has to have that skill.but,.you can tell he's a quite honest man
Even more so impressive is the ability to ad lib on the spot, it's quite obvious that Captain Lee and the others on Andertons TV doesn't use scripts, aside perhaps the most basic of outlines.
"We'll talk about this and we'll TRY stay on the subject!" 😆😁👍
Watched this video twice now.. 2nd time around with headphones, absolutely insane the difference it makes.. you CAN hear differences when they A/B the pedals, but probably not enough of a difference to pay 10x the amount sometimes 🤯
Proud TS10 owner here! Great video y’all keep it up :)
I have the TS7, and about half of the 7-Series of Ibanez pedals. Love & use them!
I own a Bonsai and am happy with it. I find myself using 808 mode most. Need to do some more work on TS9 and 10. Thank you for the video. Good stuff as usually.
30:57 Either 808 or TS9 circuits do the modern metal (djent) "thing" well. The difference is subtle but they both do a good job of rolling off the low end while bumping the low-mids and adding a bit of push to the front end of the amp. Some of the more modern "modded" variations don't work as well for this because they kinda take away what a Tube Screamer does by giving low-end back and smoothing out the mid-hump. Run the gain low, level high, and tone to taste.
They all sound the same… BUT still buy them all 😝🟩 Incredible day as always guys woooo! 🎸
Thank you so much for this Lee and Chris! Very informative. This also reminds me how much swing Stevie Ray had in his playing
Im not that surprised if you cant hear the differences in the room with amps and such, but you can really hear differences here in my studio when he plays consistently into them as in 32:20. Far right pedal seems a little scooped, left one similar but not scooped, middle one has less crunch. All these could be just minor tolerances in the components or settings of the knobs though.
This was a great segment. Please deliver more content with @pedalpawn.
Would have to see a Digitech Bad Monkey thrown into the mix. I think that pedal is great .
Back in the day, we always said "a Tube Screamer's a Tube Screamer's a Tube Screamer", meaning they all sound "basically" the same. Most of the difference between models was in the tone circuit, and even that was minor. The TS9 was always the most popular with working players (until the vintage craze started), even though they had a reputation for a little more variation from pedal to pedal than the other models. This was in the U.S., by the way.
Are used to play guitar and tour with Suffocation and I always used the Maxon 808 and my other guitar player always used the maxon 909
This was super fun having Chris here and hearing all the vintage stuff! Some nice and fresh video content!
My take away is the Bonsai did a great job emulating all of them. It had a bit more thickness through my speakers, but I believe that could be adjusted as well if you wanted. I use the ODR1 with a GE-7 EQ to tune it as my go-to, but they all sounded great. Excellent video.
I was wondering if the difference might be input / output impedance. There was definitely a real tonal difference, but very little difference in the actual voicing of the overdrive.
The Maxon OD-9 is true bypass though so different from a stock TS9. Needs to be taken into account
I agree. I always wondered why the boutique guys would try to get the “Tube Screamer” sound… without the input/output buffers that were part of the audio path.
What I've noticed from whatching these is that the person playing makes a lot of difference depending on what he's playing, where he's playing. It's going to sound different between going from the bass notes to double stops to triads. So switching between doesn't help unless you're staying in that spot. They have a particular sound, though. Like a warm blanket.
Nice to see someone that loves TS’s. It’s so hip to say “I don’t even like TS808’s”. My stock 2022 Ibanez TS808 and Maxon OD9 are magnificent. I had a TS10 and I did not care for it at all.
Loved the video. Very needed some content like this one! i really had a good time watching it
My first Tube Screamer (I still have it) was aTS5. My second 'Tube Screamer' was a PUE5 Tube FX 'board' - I like my Ibanez guitars and when this board showed up on Facebook Marketplace, I just had to have it. Most recently, after you had Josh (JHS Pedals) on, I just had to have a Bonsai. Guess you can never have enought! :D
I think that the sound between these pedals is so small that it comes into the range of the +/-10% varience that you get from components like resistors and potentiometers.
I feel like that's definitely a major factor in anything built before the turn of the millennium. Even today, using through-hole methods, you will certainly get a tolerance shift. Adjusting necessarily gives you sonic matches.
That said, it's remarkable how similar all of the TS pedals are in that regard. I bought a TS10 for around $300 and then built one with vero, the settings and tones were basically identical to the human ear.
A circuit is a circuit. Cheers!
@@RobertNolan Do printed pcb boards have tolerances as well? Like a 1% tolerance difference between 20-30 components in two of the same pedal. Could that make an audible change in tone?
@@eddiesigerexperience9803 I won't say it isn't possible, but it's likely that why capacitance issue are resolved with a proper input and output buffer.
@@eddiesigerexperience9803 i think you are confused about what tolerance is referring to. it's referring to the allowable amount of difference between a component's stated rating and its actual measurement. pcbs are just traces that connect the components together. i cant imagine that any slight variance in how well the traces on pcbs conduct from one to the other would contribute any quantifiable difference to a circuit overall. always willing to be proven incorrect though.
@@aintnofeeblebastard9359 Thank you for your response. That makes sense to me, I’m new to this haha
The real winner here is the Bonsai, great pedal Josh!
I bought a TS 9 when they 1st came out and been using it off and on ever since. And it still works fine.
Really awesome! I have a TS-808HW at home a friend give to me. And i never tried a TS before. But the HW seems the best one i've read so often. And now in this video ... all sounds the same 👍
Great tones even before you wrecked it with a tube screamer (kidding)! To me, it shows how great Josh's Bonsai pedal is, because it gets so close to the each type of tube screamer.
That was awesome. Makes me glad I bought just a regular old TS9 new. *I* got the mojo.
"it's not easy being green..." Thank you, I'll be here all week.
I’m a Happy TS7 owner. Sounds great. Strong construction, the switch feels the most like a Boss pedal. The “Hot” mode is a great high gain overdrive. Otherwise it’s a great screamer, probably the most innovative for Ibanez.
Awesome video! Josh owes you a few drinks for proving the Bonsai does an amazing job!
They don't have the second hand ts7 coz I bought it and it is awesome. It's a ts9 in an ugly suit and it's so much easier to use as a lead boost because of the big foot switch. Thanks Andertons!
The Bonsai video with Chappers is still one of my fave Anderton’s videos ever.
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the Stevie strat sounds INCREDIBLE
Got the Behringer after Josh’s video presenting that line.
Wanna get the JHS Bonsai, simply, for the variations.
TS7 for the win! It’s a screamer plus a separate overdrive pedal. And inexpensive to boot. Although they are not the most rugged construction.
There is also an even rarer Maxon own brand TS 808 - Maxon did all the electronics for Ibanez for years and also made the pick-ups for them.
That intro was killer
Love this retro stuff....thankyou!
of all the Tube Screamer videos you've done, why have you never featured the Tube Screamer Amplifier?
Now there is a rabbit hole all to itself. I can't believe people at a gig could tell or care which one is on the board. 😂😂. 👍🥃Respect to you fellas
I love my TS-7.
Fantastic video, bravo.
What is the riff between 27:10 and 27:40?
I liked this chris dude!
Great video and was the perfect timing for me after exploring purchasing and noticing some going for $1,000, and all the mods and Mystique. The Bown Sound esque. Definitely going to get a less expensive reissue vs chasing magic tone ✨️.
At 49:00 the pedals started sounding a lot more like Jeff Healey than SRV.
Everyone always forgets about the Ibanez/Maxon POD1 which has the TS chip in it.
Got the cheaper ts7 and I can assure you: it sounds like a tube screamer!
The hot switch is a mid boost with more bottom end.
Crank it and it's still a round overdrive with mid gain
I drunkenly bought one of these for £20 on ebay. Finally tried it out about a year later and it's not moved off my board since, Great pedal for little money.
@@paulgibbs6831 Yeap and its not even noisy or anything!
Missing the one with dual footswitch.
I love the "weird new tube" about nuvistor which premiered in 1959 :)
I got my ts10 almost 20 years ago for less than $60, I just wanted a tube screamer and could afford that one, no one wanted them then…I’ve still got it and I think it’s hilarious how much people are paying for them now
Bonsai owner, TS10 most of the time, works great for higher gain djenty things. Gotta say though, the best actual Tube Screamer variant IMO is the Maxon STS9 Pro+ (it's the 4 knob one).
OMG thats a whole lot of those screamers mate lol😂😂
What is the song at 45:00 ?
Funnily enough, my favorite isn't even the Ibanez. It's the Maxon, but the TOD9 with a real tube gain stage in it. Which I appropriately learned about from Lee himself when he did a shootout with Rob's screamer clones.
The tube in the TOD9 is basically just a clean boost. The gain comes from the od circuit, which is basically a typical maxon ts circuit. Great pedal though
He doesn't have the Tone Geek Valve Screamer VS10 up there 😭 🔥🔥😎
Statistically, one of these was played by SRV. :D
"Hold my beer" sounds funny with a British accent.
Best one I have ever heard is the Ibanez that has the emulator for all of those classic tube screamer’s in it. There is a + mode that is classic rock guitar tone perfection!
And that concludes my algorithm boost contribution. Cheers from America!
Great video!
The Tone Lok pedals are actually a really good range. I have several and they sound and work great. I was hoping you'd a/b it and the Soundtank with the others to see if they differed much, considering their "cheap" status. I have a feeling they too sound all but identical.
Me too, I have a TS7 and compared to other TS pedals with no difference in tone I could hear.
Challenge: All tube scream pedals in a row and all in action at the same time , and .... let's rock 'n' roll !!!!
Go with the flow , distortion level 13 !!!! 😃
Everyone makes a Tubescreamer better than Ibanez !! The Nobles ODR and Wampler Belle are excellent ! In Nashville everyone uses the Nobles !
The magic in Stevie’s tube screamer, guitars and amps was Stevie! The music poured from him like sweat. He was a special talent!
Awesome amazing just missing my tube screamer it never gets any love it’s a double pedal with a boost 808DX you can choose boost pre or post TS choose 9 or 18v , I never see it in a TS video
Fave tube screamer is the blues driver
Does he not have the TS7 but in the limited green color?
Devin Townsend uses a Maxon OD808 with his Mesa Boogie Rectifiers to tighten up his distorted rhythm tone.
Even if there is a Tubesreamer on that table that Josh doesn't have - He's probably got the orginal box for all the others ^^
Personally I prefer the TS9 over the TS808. However I recommend the Maxon OD-9. I have a vintage Ibanez TS9 from 1983 and the Maxon sounds exactly the same!
Chris is just great!🎸🎸🎸🎸
Thanks Chris, personally I feel they are all great. I'd have been happy to have any of them as a kid. I think to be honest you can make any of these pedals sound great. The TS 808 is great but a little thinner than the TS 9 but one can probably fix this with EQ easily. The maximun blew me away. I think there's no difference between the TS 9 and OD 9. Sound identical. The TS 10 I didn't care for I found it muddy to be honest and more modern sounding. The Bonzi is killer and with a little low end rolled off I think you get them all in one box. Overerall I like the TS 9. I think from high's to low it's the best balanced of the all.
...and I thought I was bad for having two CE-2's.... WOW!
How do you have a guitar show and not know about the Tone-Lok series?
No Original Maxon OD808 ?
Save a few for the rest of us Chris 😂
The tone lok literally locks in the tone so its gotta be the best.
⭐️CATCH THEM ALL⭐️
🤜🖤🤛
Great video. I’ll get whatever and be happy.
Too much fun!
I recently paid a premium for a TS10 because one happened to pop up at my local GC. During my 3 day return period I A/B'd it against my TS9 and watched every random YT video I could basically trying to find a reason to return the stupid expensive pedal. In the end, I found that for me it does this very warm compressed thing on bends that I couldn't replicate on the TS9 and I could hear it on other YT videos, so it's on my board for the forseeable future.
Maxon OD808 for the djent thing
Are they playing into that Marshall Head? Did they say?
Great playing, Chris.
I don’t see the 2011/2012 candy green 30th. I’ve got one of those. 😀
They all sound almost the same. I have the ts-808 because i like the way it looks 🤣
I have 81 Analogman TS9 808 Mod and I picked up a made in Japan TS10 but they are magic 🔮😂🪄🎸‼️
For the 808 Dual Chip/Bonsai/New 808, I found that when they played then switched, I could definitely hear the Bonsai having significantly more low end. But then, when they would just switch as they played, I couldn't hear the difference. I guess I can't trust myself or my ears anymore...
I have had a 1981 Tube Screamer from new. Hope that helps.
I use an SD-9 for my TS sounds
Yeeeees!
All the Tube Screamers, love it! =)
So many Screamers...
I've got the TS9DX and TS9 40TH Anniversary Edition.
Of course, as BOTH Josh Scott AND Brian Wampler have said very clearly many times now, they all sound the same (in that any circuit differences between 808, TS9, TS10, handwired, etc. are too small to hear and everything else is MYTH). BUT because there is a tolerance range for resistor, capacitor, and potenetiometer, you can find two of the same pedal that sound just a little different. JHS's Bonsai reproduces Josh's favorite specific pedals of each line, not because the circuit versions sound different but because he reproduced EXACTLY those particular pedals he liked best of each version.
Misha Mansoor uses a Maxon OD-808 apparently. These pedals all seem to sound the same. Makes that Bonsai seem like a great piece of kit and a bargain.
Where is the mini?
I've played a lot of Tube Screamers. Every once in a while you find a bad one that's all compressed and thin sounding, but 99% of them sound pretty much the same, including clones.