I found you cause of Icy Mike. You’re a got damn Kung Fu hero!!!! I hadn’t met tons of people that practiced traditional WITH SPARRING, and you can always tell who’s good in their head and not in actuality. This video is proof of why all the stuff you attempt to do to people has such high effectiveness!!! I LOVE IT!!! Bows deeply!!! Ultra Subscribe
The place I did my JKD had 4 major classes. Muay Thai, Jun Fan, Kali, & Silat. They would bring in BJJ instructors from time to time. I have long since moved away but cherish my time at my first dojo. There was sparring but not a huge amount as my sessions were pretty beginner but I think it was the appropriate amount. Seeing all the different types of technique early on set me up for a lot of future learning in the other arts I have trained on the way to my Boxing-only approach at the moment.
@@metrolinamartialarts WHat you said about using your rare kick in orthodox to make it applicable reminded me one of Bruce Lee's quote. "I'm not afraid of a man who praticed 10 000 kick one time. I'm afraid of a man who praticed one kick 10 000 time." For me it means that you have to practice the technique under pressure till you can use it at any time. But you gotta spar and you need to work on it you need to have the timing down the distance down and if necesarry tweak it ot see what works.
I agree in the first 20 years of your training sparring is essential, at 37 year's of training I consider it more important to just focus on safely getting any benefits from martial arts. If you're still not sure of what your potential is after the first 20 years of training you, good luck to you.
Also your blocking and creative striking from 3:13 to 3:36… people should watch that in .5 speed at least. You did some CRAZY cool reverse question mark kicks I thought I made up, and even did a cross block out of clinch into your own toss had you committed to the leg (i know you were being nice.) Great great stuff!!!!!!!
I'm in the process of becoming an instructor at one of two places here where I live, and what I'm going to look for is is if they "pressure test," or spar, often in order to show their students the applicability of the styles they are being taught. There are some techniques that I know that wouldn't "work" in sparing, but do have their place; such as restraining someone. Learning JDK where I had learned from, we would often have boxers visit our dojo as well as me going out and recruiting people from wrestling at my school and sometimes TKD individuals would stop by. This was able to broaden my ability, as well as allow me to test my abilities against those whom were not part of the same school. So, I hope that I am able to bring that kind of culture inside either of the dojo's I may become an instructor at. I believe it would benefit everyone involved. Thank you for the video, as always, Ed. Good shit homie.
How did you keep the gym atmosphere peaceful with the large number of egos involved? I mean with people coming from different schools some of which may have something to prove
@@KingoftheJiangl egos are normal it's how you make the culture empowering and team focused. The hierarchy of skill must be managed with a few strong leaders to help make sure that everyone is helping everyone. Keeping communication solid and allowing everyone to build each other up. It's very difficult.
Taiji has various forms of push hands. If you're doing free style or under Shuai Jiao rules, I'd count it as sparring. Good luck finding one of these places though 🤷♂️
Tho I agree with you to a degree mate, doesn't that count as drilling? Wouldn't sparring be using tai chi in Sanshou? 99,9999% of the taiji places I've found are health centers, so my perception might be kinda twisted ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I came from Shorin Ryu Karate and I sparred with anyone and everyone who was willing. That experience was absolutely necessary to make it useful across a wide range of height, size and "styles". I also cross trained with Wing Chun and a bit of Muay Thai.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences. Most new students just need to get past the jitters. Then, gradually they come into their own. I utilized my own method of drills for preparing the students for sparring which in turn allowed me to gage each students temperament (who could work with whom etc.). The drills look like slow sparring but were specific combos with counters and foot work. Beginning one step then, progressing in complexity. It is demoralizing for a student to be repeatedly pummeled by a counter they can not answer. And slow work develops timing and control. The students should understand intimately the different conventional defensive positions and the counters that follow. Drills are great for that. I am sure this is nothing new to you and your colleagues. Thank you for the video.
@@metrolinamartialarts it can be fatal for sure. Consider if a trained person did it on someone in a bar. Guy goes home a dies in bed. Looks like something more mystical Pretty sure there is a protocol for liver knockouts like concussions. -- Daki Age is also a well known potentially fatal technique. Not sure if they qualify as a dim mak but they can work
a lot of people confuse sparring with fight (as you said)... many people want to "WIN" sparring... and do not understand that "sparring" it is a "training-fighting" not "fighting-fighting". my first style was Capoeira(more than 10 years ago) and because of that i am taking sparring as a "conversation" so FX you kicking (asking) i am dodging or kicking back (answering). Capoeira have two faces you can be "capoeira player" or "capoeira fighter" (but our days i would say that 95% are players with no contact training - but this is not important). I see sparring as a conversation because two parts can do what they want - when only one side do action and secound just do what they was told to do then it is just drilling. Now i do judo and i also like philosophy of it. you have Tori who preform and Uke who recive. and if you think about it then you can take it like this that Tori and Uke teach each outer in the same time... Tori teaching Uke how to fall (and maybe next time avoid this situation so he will not be thrown the same next time) and Uke teaching Tori the timing and strategy how to get this throw or sweep etc. Sumorizing.... Sparring it is a TRAINING fighting .... so you exploring what is working and what is not (for you) aaaand you can know you weak sides so you can know what you should train more... and you and your partner can train in the same time difrent things because one giving a lesson for another and it is not important who is better in this moment because it is not about winning but about TRAINING : ) (it is just my way of thinking - noone have to agree XD)
Taichi schools absolutely claim to be training a martial art. It's unfortunate it does not spar, I began taking Muay Thai. I'll need to somehow bridge my taichi with my Thai style. Loving the Naruto acoustic soundtrack!
I think there is also a difference between demonstrative sparring and pressure testing. Demonstrative sparring being learning how the techniques work and going through the motions slowly, gradually speeding it up to the point you can pressure test it effectively. Demonstrative sparring is also a good situation if you want to 'theorycraft" alternatives that you haven't worked out the body mechanics for. I still think it is sparring because you are still teaching them how to make contact and you are instilling in them the ability to start to experiment and pushing your understanding of the art further. HEMA does a lot of that because you are not only trying to learn technique, people are also piecing together their interpretations of the illustrations and explanations. Then you move from that demonstrative piecing together and theorycrafting to the pressure testing where you are starting to throw and feel out those new variations in a more serious and less "choreographed" way. I think both are important. I think that a lot of arts or maybe the schools that teach them are too rigid in just doing the traditional techniques and don't leave a lot of room for that experimentation and theorycrafting that is so essential to moving from learning to effectively using technique. Sparring is essential in any martial art. Even martial arts that will never be used for "self defense" or "combat", like a lot of the HEMA arts. It makes you a better martial artist because you get a better idea of how your body will react in a given situation. Someone who has practised all the theory but never sparred will get beaten even by someone who only casually spars because sparring teaches so many things that you only get from the movement of sparring.
Great vid and I really dig the part where you talk about how to train applying the Too Dangerous To Spar techniques that will cause eyeballs to explode, etcetera. Sparring while exercising various types of controls for safety and to maximize reps to hone the technique under pressure. Sometimes it's a pain in the ass to collect the gear needed to do this though (getting hockey gloves in the Philippines, for example).
@@johnl2648 It's not exactly the national sport or anything but they've had an international team for a fair while. It might make a big difference where you are in the Philippines though...
@@odintalavera6144 Cebu lol but if local vendors are online and deliver, that'd make things much easier. Got a link or anything? I already got a pair of STX Lacrosse gloves (same as Metrolina's I think lol) but I'm slowly collecting stuff to outfit our group so everyone can play (the senior members are enjoying the new gear and applying their mad skillz with those HEMA/fencing helmets).
Great points made. Sparring is critical for personal development, but as you mentioned, also weeding out the bullshit from what actually works. Tons of ways that you can adjust the "rules" for sparring to focus on specific components.
Absolutely! Whether in striking you can do offense vs defense or kicking vs punching. In Jiu-jitsu or grappling, flow rolling with no subs vs a guy actively trying to sub you etc.
I'm doing savate in france, we only spar savate vs savate. Also savate ruleset here has a lot of limitation : - No backhand strike - Not allowed to check kicks - All kicks must be fully extended and retracted - Hand predominance is prohibited (you get penalized if you only use punches) - Can't strike with the shin, only the foot - ect... With all that a pure savate practitioner would have a lot of trouble against let's say a muay thai fighter in an open ruleset. On the flipside we're sparing with smooth yet sturdy shoes, and a kicks to the liver "fouetté médian" is a serious threat. Also savate is good for building mobility and evasiveness.
I think, for some people it would be okay if their techniques dont work to muay thai person, shotokan person or kickboxer. after all, it is only a very very small chance that those people would attack you on the street. but for people like us, we like to fight and we want to win against various opponents right? I think the difference is just that
Sparring is the only way to build tactical judgment (knowing which technieque to use against whom) and "cool" (the ability to execute under pressure).I concur that sparring is critical, but I think people miss that "sparring" encompasses a wide range of activities I look at sparring events through four criteria. 1) Compliance -- Does the opponent let you do what you want? 2) Predictability -- Do you have foreknowledge of the opponent's action. 3) Restriction -- Are all techniques allowed? 4) Comfort - Can the opponent hurt you (physically or psychologically) by beating you? We sometimes use compliant/predictable/restricted/comfortable opponents to allow us to build understanding and comfort with technique. That's sparring, but its on the "easier" end of the spectrum. Randori -- for example -- has the opponent feed you a technique and then go compliant so the student gets expimin . Seth's channel has some footage of ninjistu randori. I actually prefer "slap sparring" -- no gloves, full speed for traps, grapples and footwork, but limited impact.
@@metrolinamartialarts (I had to clean that post up. I wrote it as I was falling asleep.) Question -- Do you feel like you're able to effectively train trapping at "light sparring" speeds? I feel like to really know if your trapping works, you have to go full speed with your hands (no gloves) and footwork. That's why I like "slap sparring." I can take on faith that I can punch a guy if I have a clear line, what I really want to pressure test is my ability to clear the line in the first place.
I'm a purely BJJ guy and really haven't had the money to test it against other arts yet except for when those guys come to the gym. I'm also doing a bit of Judo, but nothing serious at the moment. Besides I'm a 2 stripe white belt, My BJJ ain't gonna work well against most other styles at the moment.
@@metrolinamartialarts thank you, I plan to do some cross-training with some striking some time, just to get practice. I've been punched in the face when boxing just not when doing BJJ. Thanks for the great video!!!!
I used to practice Kung Fu , in a traditionnal way, sparring only for highest ranked students. In my 30's, I wanted to learn stick fighting (canne de combat, in France where I live) and I walk through a Savate class. First suprise: everyone light spar since the first session. Second surprise : I got my ass kicked by a 15 yo kid with less than a year of practice! Sparring is the only way to learn some fighting fundamentals: dynamic, chaos of confrontation and trying to do something with someone punching you ! PS: Blue Bird for Ninjutsu is a smart choice 😉
As far as ninjustu goes the only insight I've seen is the video Sense Seth did. I believe it was Chapel Hill quest center. But it looked like the instructor there is pretty well rounded in other arts besides bojikan.
@@metrolinamartialarts I have no idea what his background is but his class structure is different from what little footage I've seen from the Dayton quest center footage and Chapel Hill quest center.
Ninjitsu dos not spar depending on the instructor. The one I am with dose spar. But I realized 7 years ago that there a lot of holes in ninjitsu so I went to other martial arts to pressure test and combine with other arts like Muay Thai. But there a lot of great things about this art that’s why I’ve stayed with it on and off for years
Hey Ed, I practice Kuk Sool Won and their 'sparring' is light to no contact. I was curious about your opinion on WKF style point sparring in this manner. Yes it teaches timing etc but because you never truly are in any risk it doesn't really give you that pressure you need? Idk
Great question - I think it comes down to the respect of the hit. Will the hit be hard and debilitating enough to stop a full-contact match? Its hard because all Sparring takes this in to consideration as there's no real consequences (ideally if done safely). I'd say the ranking would go (from worst to best): No Contact Sparring 》Full Contact/hard Contact Sparring (necessary once or twice a camp) 》 light to medium Contact Sparring
If you want your aikido to work train Judo frist. If you want your wing chun to work train wrestling first. If you want your BJJ to work just do catch wrestling and Judo as there more well rounded grappling arts
@@metrolinamartialarts Aikido forms are really meant to be used against weapons like swords or knives, not barehanded. A lot of older jiu-jitsu/judo techniques are in aikido, proven techniques. When their teacher became a pacifist after world war two it completely ruined their martial art. A lot of good knife/weapon defense just ends up looking like aikido and jujitsu anyway. Wing Chun when trained properly with sparring probably looks more akin to bare-knuckle boxing, I think wing Chun's centerline theory probably comes from their butterfly Swords and is not meant to be focused on in their hand-to-hand. Vertical punches are better for bare-knuckle fighting which is primarily what you're doing in self-defense, two knuckle punching is the best way as the lower part of the fist is the weakest part. Also, trapping could be useful, and also the training is good for grappling
This guy explains this better than I can, a lot of guys are too poor to buy a gun so they buy things like machetes and there are plenty of machete sword hybrids so not having sword defense is pretty stupid. I bought a gladius machete for like 30 bucks. ruclips.net/video/j-yULkAsyDc/видео.html
Well, yes up a point. Mike Tyson, Teddy Riner, and Buakaw more or less spar only with boxing, Olympic Judo, and Muay Thai rules respectively. No sane person would say they do bullshido. Would they “win" against best exponents of the other combat sports? No. Would they beat most other combat athletes on similar size in an “open” full contact spar? Sure. Having stated all that, it’s a great idea to cross train, after gaining reasonable proficiency in one combat sport / style.
Yeah, that's the highest form of combat sports. But in self-defense arts, it's necessary to cross train/spar to test the efficacy. No one doubts that at a certain level, most can defend themselves with one of the pillars of MMA (boxing, Muay Thai, bjj, and wrestling) - but for the average practitioner the bar is still pretty high imo. Like intermediate level or up.
@@metrolinamartialarts Agreed, though I think 6 months to a year of boxing / Muay Thai / kickboxing at a reputable gym, one would come out OK in most situations. Definitely cross train if possible.
Ninjutsu definitely does sparring. I come from a Maui Thai and bjj perspective, and the ninjitsu teacher I train with is such a high level martial artist I’ve never trained with anyone like him. We regularly have people from fma, bjj, Maui Thai, karate, hema, fencing, etc at class, and we spar everything we train. Kickboxing, grappling, sword fighting, firearms. My teacher has combat sport level explosiveness, timing, range, but it’s all from an entirely non sport context. I’ve seen him repeatedly toss a second degree judo black belt and hold up well against pro fencers and kendo fighters. Most definitely an outlier though, most ninjitsu is crap especially bujinkan. Look up shizenden ryu. It places a lot of emphasis on a system of principals rather than techniques. Angle, range, timing, kazushi, contrapposto, etc. Although a shizenden person may have less technical skill, they have cultivated super strong sensitivity which allows them to throw or hit more skilled opponents through the ability to foresee movements by understanding body mechanics and patterns.
I’m here for all the Tai chi fanboys who chime in to say that tai chi was totally combative, bro. My sigung once trained with a tai chi master in tibet who could really fight
Some tai chi practitioners probably can, even Ramsay Dewey says so lol, but that's if they know that it's standup grappling and that the forms are shadow grappling drills. I think that knowhow is disappearing or lost in translation.
@@metrolinamartialarts or in the East too lol. Like an earlier, slower and more for-old-people version of modern zumba and those... tae-bo exercises. Martial artists going "uhhh how do I teach group classes for customers who are in it for fitness and CASUALS" probably happened in ancient China too lol Coincidentally some friend was testing this Hung Gar variant form from a video from the 1950s or something, he did it in shadow and was like "I don't get this part... I grab the guy and uppercut him?" and my zero kung fu knowledge ass went "no dude that's not an uppercut, that's an underhook and I think that movement's a throw." Then we spent the time figuring out the form was probably pummeling and throws/counter-throws.
I found you cause of Icy Mike.
You’re a got damn Kung Fu hero!!!!
I hadn’t met tons of people that practiced traditional WITH SPARRING, and you can always tell who’s good in their head and not in actuality.
This video is proof of why all the stuff you attempt to do to people has such high effectiveness!!! I LOVE IT!!! Bows deeply!!!
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Thank you so much!! 🙏 Always training to get better!
The place I did my JKD had 4 major classes. Muay Thai, Jun Fan, Kali, & Silat. They would bring in BJJ instructors from time to time. I have long since moved away but cherish my time at my first dojo. There was sparring but not a huge amount as my sessions were pretty beginner but I think it was the appropriate amount. Seeing all the different types of technique early on set me up for a lot of future learning in the other arts I have trained on the way to my Boxing-only approach at the moment.
That's awesome!!
@@metrolinamartialarts WHat you said about using your rare kick in orthodox to make it applicable reminded me one of Bruce Lee's quote.
"I'm not afraid of a man who praticed 10 000 kick one time. I'm afraid of a man who praticed one kick 10 000 time."
For me it means that you have to practice the technique under pressure till you can use it at any time. But you gotta spar and you need to work on it you need to have the timing down the distance down and if necesarry tweak it ot see what works.
@@aronnemcsik I tend to agree
I agree with you for the most part, the thing I would add is it's essential inthe first 20 years of your training
I agree in the first 20 years of your training sparring is essential, at 37 year's of training I consider it more important to just focus on safely getting any benefits from martial arts. If you're still not sure of what your potential is after the first 20 years of training you, good luck to you.
Also your blocking and creative striking from 3:13 to 3:36… people should watch that in .5 speed at least. You did some CRAZY cool reverse question mark kicks I thought I made up, and even did a cross block out of clinch into your own toss had you committed to the leg (i know you were being nice.)
Great great stuff!!!!!!!
Thanks so much!! I love the reverse question mark kick.
@@metrolinamartialarts I saw that shit and was like “lemme make sure this bell is on”. Lol
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I'm in the process of becoming an instructor at one of two places here where I live, and what I'm going to look for is is if they "pressure test," or spar, often in order to show their students the applicability of the styles they are being taught. There are some techniques that I know that wouldn't "work" in sparing, but do have their place; such as restraining someone. Learning JDK where I had learned from, we would often have boxers visit our dojo as well as me going out and recruiting people from wrestling at my school and sometimes TKD individuals would stop by. This was able to broaden my ability, as well as allow me to test my abilities against those whom were not part of the same school. So, I hope that I am able to bring that kind of culture inside either of the dojo's I may become an instructor at. I believe it would benefit everyone involved. Thank you for the video, as always, Ed. Good shit homie.
That's awesome!! Keep that up and you'll keep the art alive ✨️
How did you keep the gym atmosphere peaceful with the large number of egos involved? I mean with people coming from different schools some of which may have something to prove
@@KingoftheJiangl egos are normal it's how you make the culture empowering and team focused. The hierarchy of skill must be managed with a few strong leaders to help make sure that everyone is helping everyone. Keeping communication solid and allowing everyone to build each other up. It's very difficult.
Taiji has various forms of push hands. If you're doing free style or under Shuai Jiao rules, I'd count it as sparring. Good luck finding one of these places though 🤷♂️
Yeah that's the key lol
Tho I agree with you to a degree mate, doesn't that count as drilling? Wouldn't sparring be using tai chi in Sanshou? 99,9999% of the taiji places I've found are health centers, so my perception might be kinda twisted ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hey there do you have some insight on how to bridge the taiji wrestling and push play to sparring?
I teach it.
I came from Shorin Ryu Karate and I sparred with anyone and everyone who was willing. That experience was absolutely necessary to make it useful across a wide range of height, size and "styles". I also cross trained with Wing Chun and a bit of Muay Thai.
That's how you do it!
Solid take in this one, Ed. Enjoyed watching it.
Thanks so much!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences. Most new students just need to get past the jitters. Then, gradually they come into their own. I utilized my own method of drills for preparing the students for sparring which in turn allowed me to gage each students temperament (who could work with whom etc.). The drills look like slow sparring but were specific combos with counters and foot work. Beginning one step then, progressing in complexity. It is demoralizing for a student to be repeatedly pummeled by a counter they can not answer. And slow work develops timing and control. The students should understand intimately the different conventional defensive positions and the counters that follow. Drills are great for that.
I am sure this is nothing new to you and your colleagues.
Thank you for the video.
Thanks for watching 🙏
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LOL, I actually did encounter a "real" 'Dim Mak' once... it was the name of a spicy food challenge at a Sichuan buffet out east...
Amazing 👏
12 to 6 elbows or liver kicks - can be fatal like daki age.
@@jesseshaffer3951 I've been hit with plenty of liver kicks - I'm not dead yet. Definitely don't 12-to-6 elbow me, I'll fight back 🤣
@@metrolinamartialarts it can be fatal for sure. Consider if a trained person did it on someone in a bar. Guy goes home a dies in bed. Looks like something more mystical Pretty sure there is a protocol for liver knockouts like concussions. -- Daki Age is also a well known potentially fatal technique. Not sure if they qualify as a dim mak but they can work
@@jesseshaffer3951 I don't think it's dim mak but huge concussive blows
Right on!! Thank you Ed!! Best wishes always! 👍🏽💪🏽🙏🏽👊🏽
Thank you so much 🙏
a lot of people confuse sparring with fight (as you said)... many people want to "WIN" sparring... and do not understand that "sparring" it is a "training-fighting" not "fighting-fighting".
my first style was Capoeira(more than 10 years ago) and because of that i am taking sparring as a "conversation" so FX you kicking (asking) i am dodging or kicking back (answering). Capoeira have two faces you can be "capoeira player" or "capoeira fighter" (but our days i would say that 95% are players with no contact training - but this is not important). I see sparring as a conversation because two parts can do what they want - when only one side do action and secound just do what they was told to do then it is just drilling.
Now i do judo and i also like philosophy of it. you have Tori who preform and Uke who recive. and if you think about it then you can take it like this that Tori and Uke teach each outer in the same time... Tori teaching Uke how to fall (and maybe next time avoid this situation so he will not be thrown the same next time) and Uke teaching Tori the timing and strategy how to get this throw or sweep etc.
Sumorizing.... Sparring it is a TRAINING fighting .... so you exploring what is working and what is not (for you) aaaand you can know you weak sides so you can know what you should train more... and you and your partner can train in the same time difrent things because one giving a lesson for another and it is not important who is better in this moment because it is not about winning but about TRAINING : )
(it is just my way of thinking - noone have to agree XD)
I think you're pretty spot on
Taichi schools absolutely claim to be training a martial art. It's unfortunate it does not spar, I began taking Muay Thai. I'll need to somehow bridge my taichi with my Thai style.
Loving the Naruto acoustic soundtrack!
Yeah that is unfortunate
Great video Ed. Really good breakdown about all the benefits and application.
Thanks so much - 🙏
I think there is also a difference between demonstrative sparring and pressure testing. Demonstrative sparring being learning how the techniques work and going through the motions slowly, gradually speeding it up to the point you can pressure test it effectively. Demonstrative sparring is also a good situation if you want to 'theorycraft" alternatives that you haven't worked out the body mechanics for. I still think it is sparring because you are still teaching them how to make contact and you are instilling in them the ability to start to experiment and pushing your understanding of the art further. HEMA does a lot of that because you are not only trying to learn technique, people are also piecing together their interpretations of the illustrations and explanations. Then you move from that demonstrative piecing together and theorycrafting to the pressure testing where you are starting to throw and feel out those new variations in a more serious and less "choreographed" way. I think both are important. I think that a lot of arts or maybe the schools that teach them are too rigid in just doing the traditional techniques and don't leave a lot of room for that experimentation and theorycrafting that is so essential to moving from learning to effectively using technique.
Sparring is essential in any martial art. Even martial arts that will never be used for "self defense" or "combat", like a lot of the HEMA arts. It makes you a better martial artist because you get a better idea of how your body will react in a given situation. Someone who has practised all the theory but never sparred will get beaten even by someone who only casually spars because sparring teaches so many things that you only get from the movement of sparring.
Interesting comparison!
Great vid and I really dig the part where you talk about how to train applying the Too Dangerous To Spar techniques that will cause eyeballs to explode, etcetera. Sparring while exercising various types of controls for safety and to maximize reps to hone the technique under pressure. Sometimes it's a pain in the ass to collect the gear needed to do this though (getting hockey gloves in the Philippines, for example).
It's super important albeit difficult lol
Cricket's gotten somewhat popular out there, look for batsman's gloves
@@odintalavera6144 In the Philippines?
@@johnl2648 It's not exactly the national sport or anything but they've had an international team for a fair while.
It might make a big difference where you are in the Philippines though...
@@odintalavera6144 Cebu lol but if local vendors are online and deliver, that'd make things much easier. Got a link or anything?
I already got a pair of STX Lacrosse gloves (same as Metrolina's I think lol) but I'm slowly collecting stuff to outfit our group so everyone can play (the senior members are enjoying the new gear and applying their mad skillz with those HEMA/fencing helmets).
Thank you for the video that had some realy good information 👍
Thank you so much for watching 🤜💥🤛
Great points made. Sparring is critical for personal development, but as you mentioned, also weeding out the bullshit from what actually works. Tons of ways that you can adjust the "rules" for sparring to focus on specific components.
Absolutely! Whether in striking you can do offense vs defense or kicking vs punching. In Jiu-jitsu or grappling, flow rolling with no subs vs a guy actively trying to sub you etc.
@@metrolinamartialarts Exactly! Hope to collab with you one of these days!
When I sparred in Ninjustu ( bujiinkan ) it was very much like taekwondo with a bit of wrestling tossed in
Interesting!
Great video
You the man
@@metrolinamartialarts thanks bro I appreciate , but no ur the man lol
I'm doing savate in france, we only spar savate vs savate. Also savate ruleset here has a lot of limitation :
- No backhand strike
- Not allowed to check kicks
- All kicks must be fully extended and retracted
- Hand predominance is prohibited (you get penalized if you only use punches)
- Can't strike with the shin, only the foot
- ect...
With all that a pure savate practitioner would have a lot of trouble against let's say a muay thai fighter in an open ruleset. On the flipside we're sparing with smooth yet sturdy shoes, and a kicks to the liver "fouetté médian" is a serious threat. Also savate is good for building mobility and evasiveness.
Love Savate! I'm a Yellow Glove! Savate is so cardio heavy, I have no doubt at a certain level you could use it as self-defense.
@@metrolinamartialarts Oh so you're pretty good at it ! It's always a pleasure to see non-french give savate some love :D
@@RagnaouVGM absolutely 🙏
Without sparring, every martial art becomes breathing exercise. That's it. There's nothing between the lines.
100% agreed
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I think, for some people it would be okay if their techniques dont work to muay thai person, shotokan person or kickboxer. after all, it is only a very very small chance that those people would attack you on the street. but for people like us, we like to fight and we want to win against various opponents right? I think the difference is just that
Perhaps- more so the cross training gives you different looks! But isn't 100% necessary all the time
I wanna spar again so bad 😭.
Thank you for sharing ☺️.
Spar!!!
Sparring is the only way to build tactical judgment (knowing which technieque to use against whom) and "cool" (the ability to execute under pressure).I concur that sparring is critical, but I think people miss that "sparring" encompasses a wide range of activities I look at sparring events through four criteria.
1) Compliance -- Does the opponent let you do what you want?
2) Predictability -- Do you have foreknowledge of the opponent's action.
3) Restriction -- Are all techniques allowed?
4) Comfort - Can the opponent hurt you (physically or psychologically) by beating you?
We sometimes use compliant/predictable/restricted/comfortable opponents to allow us to build understanding and comfort with technique. That's sparring, but its on the "easier" end of the spectrum. Randori -- for example -- has the opponent feed you a technique and then go compliant so the student gets expimin . Seth's channel has some footage of ninjistu randori.
I actually prefer "slap sparring" -- no gloves, full speed for traps, grapples and footwork, but limited impact.
Interesting!!
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Question -- Do you feel like you're able to effectively train trapping at "light sparring" speeds? I feel like to really know if your trapping works, you have to go full speed with your hands (no gloves) and footwork. That's why I like "slap sparring." I can take on faith that I can punch a guy if I have a clear line, what I really want to pressure test is my ability to clear the line in the first place.
I'm a purely BJJ guy and really haven't had the money to test it against other arts yet except for when those guys come to the gym. I'm also doing a bit of Judo, but nothing serious at the moment. Besides I'm a 2 stripe white belt, My BJJ ain't gonna work well against most other styles at the moment.
I think you'd be surprised! Keep trucking. By the time you're a Blue Belt, you'll be good to go.
@@metrolinamartialarts thank you, I plan to do some cross-training with some striking some time, just to get practice. I've been punched in the face when boxing just not when doing BJJ. Thanks for the great video!!!!
I used to practice Kung Fu , in a traditionnal way, sparring only for highest ranked students. In my 30's, I wanted to learn stick fighting (canne de combat, in France where I live) and I walk through a Savate class. First suprise: everyone light spar since the first session. Second surprise : I got my ass kicked by a 15 yo kid with less than a year of practice! Sparring is the only way to learn some fighting fundamentals: dynamic, chaos of confrontation and trying to do something with someone punching you ! PS: Blue Bird for Ninjutsu is a smart choice 😉
Thanks so much for watching! I hope you're still training Savate and canne!
@@metrolinamartialarts I'm currently recovering from a herniated disc surgery but I'll keep training as soon as my left foot works well again 😅
As far as ninjustu goes the only insight I've seen is the video Sense Seth did. I believe it was Chapel Hill quest center. But it looked like the instructor there is pretty well rounded in other arts besides bojikan.
Yeah, I'm curious too. Because they spar in a cool and unique way - but is that the bjj influence or...?
@@metrolinamartialarts I have no idea what his background is but his class structure is different from what little footage I've seen from the Dayton quest center footage and Chapel Hill quest center.
Ninjitsu dos not spar depending on the instructor. The one I am with dose spar. But I realized 7 years ago that there a lot of holes in ninjitsu so I went to other martial arts to pressure test and combine with other arts like Muay Thai. But there a lot of great things about this art that’s why I’ve stayed with it on and off for years
That's awesome 👌
Thanks bro ski
Hey Ed, I practice Kuk Sool Won and their 'sparring' is light to no contact. I was curious about your opinion on WKF style point sparring in this manner.
Yes it teaches timing etc but because you never truly are in any risk it doesn't really give you that pressure you need? Idk
Great question - I think it comes down to the respect of the hit. Will the hit be hard and debilitating enough to stop a full-contact match? Its hard because all Sparring takes this in to consideration as there's no real consequences (ideally if done safely).
I'd say the ranking would go (from worst to best): No Contact Sparring 》Full Contact/hard Contact Sparring (necessary once or twice a camp) 》 light to medium Contact Sparring
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I spar almost every day with a BOB and all my moves work every time! LOL
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If you want your aikido to work train Judo frist.
If you want your wing chun to work train wrestling first.
If you want your BJJ to work just do catch wrestling and Judo as there more well rounded grappling arts
To play devil's advocate, why train Aikido or wing Chun if the previous ones work?
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Aikido forms are really meant to be used against weapons like swords or knives, not barehanded. A lot of older jiu-jitsu/judo techniques are in aikido, proven techniques. When their teacher became a pacifist after world war two it completely ruined their martial art. A lot of good knife/weapon defense just ends up looking like aikido and jujitsu anyway.
Wing Chun when trained properly with sparring probably looks more akin to bare-knuckle boxing, I think wing Chun's centerline theory probably comes from their butterfly Swords and is not meant to be focused on in their hand-to-hand. Vertical punches are better for bare-knuckle fighting which is primarily what you're doing in self-defense, two knuckle punching is the best way as the lower part of the fist is the weakest part. Also, trapping could be useful, and also the training is good for grappling
This guy explains this better than I can, a lot of guys are too poor to buy a gun so they buy things like machetes and there are plenty of machete sword hybrids so not having sword defense is pretty stupid. I bought a gladius machete for like 30 bucks.
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Cross style sparring would be lovely
It's testing your art for sure!
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Well, yes up a point. Mike Tyson, Teddy Riner, and Buakaw more or less spar only with boxing, Olympic Judo, and Muay Thai rules respectively. No sane person would say they do bullshido. Would they “win" against best exponents of the other combat sports? No. Would they beat most other combat athletes on similar size in an “open” full contact spar? Sure.
Having stated all that, it’s a great idea to cross train, after gaining reasonable proficiency in one combat sport / style.
Yeah, that's the highest form of combat sports. But in self-defense arts, it's necessary to cross train/spar to test the efficacy. No one doubts that at a certain level, most can defend themselves with one of the pillars of MMA (boxing, Muay Thai, bjj, and wrestling) - but for the average practitioner the bar is still pretty high imo. Like intermediate level or up.
@@metrolinamartialarts Agreed, though I think 6 months to a year of boxing / Muay Thai / kickboxing at a reputable gym, one would come out OK in most situations.
Definitely cross train if possible.
Real Tai Chi Chuan DOES have sparring: take a look at Clear Tai Chi channel, taught by Richard Clear.
I'll take a look
Ninjutsu definitely does sparring. I come from a Maui Thai and bjj perspective, and the ninjitsu teacher I train with is such a high level martial artist I’ve never trained with anyone like him. We regularly have people from fma, bjj, Maui Thai, karate, hema, fencing, etc at class, and we spar everything we train. Kickboxing, grappling, sword fighting, firearms. My teacher has combat sport level explosiveness, timing, range, but it’s all from an entirely non sport context. I’ve seen him repeatedly toss a second degree judo black belt and hold up well against pro fencers and kendo fighters. Most definitely an outlier though, most ninjitsu is crap especially bujinkan. Look up shizenden ryu. It places a lot of emphasis on a system of principals rather than techniques. Angle, range, timing, kazushi, contrapposto, etc. Although a shizenden person may have less technical skill, they have cultivated super strong sensitivity which allows them to throw or hit more skilled opponents through the ability to foresee movements by understanding body mechanics and patterns.
That is super cool
12:13 boxers be like
there was a crosstrain like a week ago with a boxing gym and they all went so hard with people they don't know it was kinda weird to partake on it.
I wish I had someone to spar with 😢
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Gotta change that background music brother.
Change it to what?
@@metrolinamartialarts good lord, anything. The content is interesting enough to not need it to begin with.
I’m here for all the Tai chi fanboys who chime in to say that tai chi was totally combative, bro. My sigung once trained with a tai chi master in tibet who could really fight
I could take him 🤣
Some tai chi practitioners probably can, even Ramsay Dewey says so lol, but that's if they know that it's standup grappling and that the forms are shadow grappling drills. I think that knowhow is disappearing or lost in translation.
@@johnl2648 or that it's mainly practiced in the west as a form of cardio and Conditioning
The ones who do it competitively are doing stand up jacket/gi grappling pretty much.
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@@metrolinamartialarts or in the East too lol. Like an earlier, slower and more for-old-people version of modern zumba and those... tae-bo exercises.
Martial artists going "uhhh how do I teach group classes for customers who are in it for fitness and CASUALS" probably happened in ancient China too lol
Coincidentally some friend was testing this Hung Gar variant form from a video from the 1950s or something, he did it in shadow and was like "I don't get this part... I grab the guy and uppercut him?" and my zero kung fu knowledge ass went "no dude that's not an uppercut, that's an underhook and I think that movement's a throw." Then we spent the time figuring out the form was probably pummeling and throws/counter-throws.
I can teach you how to fight with out fighting.
Run?