@@MrSheckstr except they didnt ask for a video review, they said they think he missed the plate and the umps were like "Yeah he might have, we know the homeplate ump didnt do his job as the ball was going at him"
Saying "I think" is actually sorta genius in that moment, if he came out and said "HEY hey never touched home plate" the ump would've gotten defensive and this clip would be in a "umps having thin skin and ejecting ppl compilation" video
I’m not sure that he would’ve been thrown out. I think it was more an attempt to avoid suspicion if they did indeed take that mound visit to review the play, then plan to appeal in order to review. Pretty genius, must say.
It's not likely because they didn't want to appear aggressive (certainty is a stronger position to take when you can). It's that they didn't want to draw attention to how long it had been since the play occurred, that they'd have been able to view the replay. At least, that's what Jomboy is suggesting here.
no challenge could have been issued without something to legally challenge. It would have taken a galaxy brained ump to realize that by accepting his appeal he was reopening the time window for a challenge.
Something I really appreciate in this video is at 1:09, Jomboy doesn't fault the Umpire for missing the play. As much as we crap on umpires they're still human.
Avoiding being hit is natural but he could have been honest and looked to the other umps for a call, he knows he didnt watch what happened so he should have been honest and not made any call.
@@swskitso no other ump can make a call on a missed touch at home plate; he MUST make the call. at the MLB level that's what replay is for. at lower levels without replay, after signaling the runner safe and the defense complains _nicely,_ he might get the crew together and ask "did anyone see him conclusively NOT touch the plate?".... chances are no one 100+ feet away could be absolutely sure, so the call would stand
@@swskitso what a dumb comment. Every umpire had specific things they are watching for. No one is watching for the play at home except the home plate umpire. Before you try to make suggestions or criticism I suggest you educate yourself on how umpires do their job
In football, ball carriers don't always look down to make sure they have crossed the goal line before they try for style points by shedding the pigskin.
Without their own microphones, ballpark shots of groups of fans make for a wonderful return to silent-movie-comedy. Jomboy should narrate some of those, he has a real knack for reading people. I love how developed of an act these two already are. The best bit is when Brewer mocks White Sock by mimicking his sunflower-seed fist-toss & then folds his own arms to contrast w/ the safe-call being made directly across the front of his own chest. I could make a thousand gif's out of those 10 or 15 seconds of video. LaRussa, too... LOL.
@@_joshfarrar I was gonna guess you guys were father & son! I was worried you were siblings w/ a large age gap & I'd insult you. How'd you guys end up fans of two different teams? My father was a Tigers fan who brought me up in NY & the same happened to us.
Thing I love about it is that's always been LaRussa when he managed. He always used every trick in the book to win or get something his way. Brewers flipped the script on him.
They actually had to go about it this way; Pena never tagged the runner or the plate, so they had to tag the base before the next pitch in order to have an appeal to challenge. The 20s in order to challenge started on the appeal. The mound visit did not constitute a new play.
If it was Joe Maddon instead of La Russa, the umps would have 100% sided with Maddon. Maybe even ejected Councel for bothering them while they were at it.
@@GokuFan98 that's how base running errors are reviewed... More specifically, missing home plate has it's own rule: 5.09(b)(12) (12) In running or sliding for home base, he fails to touch home base and makes no attempt to return to the base, when a fielder holds the ball in his hand, while touching home base, and appeals to the umpire for the decision; In this case, on appeal the runner was called safe, and the appeal was reviewed (immediately I may add).
Fuck unwritten rules. They make the game not as entertaining for younger audiences and bring viewership down. Not the only thing doin it but it is a contributing factor
That's a written rule. From the MLB website rules PDF. Rule 6.02 Pitcher Illegal Action (a) Balks (5) The pitcher makes an illegal pitch; COMMENT: A quick pitch is an illegal pitch. Umpires will judge a quick pitch as one delivered before the batter is reasonable set in the batter's box. Similar comment at 5.07(a)(2).
Jomboys also a mind reader. Took one look at La Russas shifty eyes & read his friggin mind. 'OOhhhhhhhhh! You sneaky. . . What? What? Uh, hold up. What!?' LMAO
As someone who interacts frequently with clients, I definitely use this language a lot. "I think you're missing a few files" "It looks like these numbers are off" "It seems like this is incorrect" I know all of these statements are perfectly true, but unless you want to get on someone's bad side, you definitely couch your language this way. Plus it leaves you room to backpedal in case you actually are wrong.
I think they’d think “He didn’t step on the bag” would have been seen as argumentative, while “I think he missed the bag” is more inquisitive and neutral
Considering they lost at least one game* to blatant butthurt-cheating? Yup, gotta protect those sensitive feelings. * - Woodruff has a good lead, but gets mad at bad calls that chase him off. Chirps about it when relieved. Umpire not satisfied with "ejecting" him, makes *blatant* bad calls in quick succession to make sure Woodruff eats a loss. Next game, makes a blatant bad call near the start and just stares in the dugout to wordlessly say "I can do anything I want".
@@Luckingsworth no the bullpen phones are not "modern phones" they're old school and hard wired directly to the bullpen they don't connect to outside lines. You really shouldn't jump into things insulting people. You look like an ass. You look even worse when you're also wrong while doing it. Be better
@@spiderman110990 he’s done a few Mariners breakdowns in the past and they tweeted the play last night. Seems like a perfect way to rub some salt into the wound for the Astros a man can dream at least. I didn’t check the Astros broadcast but seemed like some players left the dugout when it got chippy so it should be a fun breakdown really hoping for it!
jomboy i found your channel a couple months ago and now i absolutely love baseball. never watched much before, but now watch a few games live a week. thank you for showcasing how interesting and fun this sport is!!! : )
His point was that LaRussa was more angry about Yermin ignoring the "take" sign than breaking an unwritten rule. I don't completely agree, but it's not the worst take
@@super8bitvideos so someone's not a sports fan cause they respect opponents and traditions? You do sound like a sports fan getting triggered over someone liking unwritten rules
I’ve only been into baseball in the last 10-12 years so I don’t have a very deep knowledge of some of the technical rules. Watching your breakdown videos has helped me better understand baseball and have a greater appreciation. Keep up the amazing work.
@@Jivvi So I get what you're saying and in principle I agree. Just so that you know why it isn't like that... the idea is they don't want the coaches to be able to see the replay 20 seconds later and then pay people on staff to watch and look for TINY little things wrong and hold up the game by constantly challenging all the time because they can sift through the footage after the fact. It would really bog everything down and the game would become wayyyy slower and all about stupid niche moments.
This isn’t a matter of Counsell outwitting La Russa. He merely exercised his right to review under the rules and there was literally nothing La Russa could have done to prevent it regardless of wit.
No he’s not. He stinks. The easiest job for a manager is to pull an obviously struggling pitcher just before that pitcher gives up 3 to 4 runs. Craig loves for struggling pitchers to get themselves out of their own jams they’ve created. When he finally does make a move, after of course the 3-4 lead turns into a 2 run deficit, the pitcher he brings in next gets the final out on three consecutive pitches. So yeah, he stinks!
Couldn’t truly tell you. Seen too many people make excuses for professionals failing the basics. “The ball hit him” , “the catcher was blocking the plate” , “it’s the umpires fault he called him safe”. The hoops some jump through when my one and only thought would be getting to and touching home plate.
Home plate feels different than the other bases. It's flat and just feels like the dirt unlike 1st, 2nd, & 3rd which protrude and there is a clear distinction when touching/running over them.
This wasn't a genius move. It was the only move. He can't challenge the safe call because there was no "out" possible. (The catcher did not tag the runner or home plate.) He can ONLY appeal the runner missing home. And that's what he did.
Not a loophole at all. Appeals must be made before the next play. A review of the umpire's decision on the appeal must be requested within 20 seconds. This is pretty easy to understand. The umpire did what he was supposed to do: Watch the ball.
Before replay position players used to routinely miss tagging bases and umps basically gave it to them. Except for first base because umps actually looked at the feet when they tagged it.
@@KTF0 "the turn" at second base. When I started umpiring, I was taught early that if the fielder is in the same zip code as second base to give them the out on the force.
"Don't quote me regulations. I co-chaired the committee that reviewed the recommendation to revise the color of the book that regulation's in... We kept it grey!"
The question is whether the original appeal was timely. That type of appeal predates the current rules regarding appeals. My understanding is that they have to appeal before the next pitch. Same with appealing if a runner tagged up and left early. Was that changed and a time limit put on that as well?
It really was brilliant. It took me a second to figure out how they got around it. Really though, MLB could probably just copy the NFL and allow coaches or umps to review scoring plays or specifically, plays-at-the-plate if there is a legitimate concern over home plate contact or possession of the ball or whatever...
I may be dense but I still don’t understand. So they can’t challenge a play after 20 seconds but when the pitcher steps off the mound and the coach says I don’t hunk he touched the bag they’re allowed to go to the replay?
The rule is you only have 20 seconds to "challenge" a call. Since they could not "challenge" anymore, they asked the umps for an "appeal" of the call (I guess there is no time limit on an appeal). I think they appealed to the first base ump. When the first base ump agreed with the home plate ump on the appeal, they then "challenged" the appeal (within 20 seconds).
3:40 I think there is an "h" missing on-screen, for the word "sould", no doubt, Is supposed to have one, so I'm appealing that the editor _should_ be called out. Just like the baserunner had to hit the base, The captions editor cannot forget the "h". 😂
I think baseball should change rules to dodgeball rules. If the player throws the ball at you and it hits you, you're out. If you can dodge a baseball, you can dodge a wrench.
But even after the safe call, if the player had gone back to touch the plate, they wouldn't have been able to appeal. The reason Burnes stepped off of the plate and threw to home was so that the catcher could step on the plate and effectively get the force out at home. If the runner had touched the plate, even after being called safe, there is no grounds for appeal because they still have to have the ball while touching the plate to record the out.
He called the safe signal, he didn’t call the runner safe until the appeal at the plate. Safe is used for no catch, no obstruction, no fan interference, and important in this situation, no interference by a runner. He was ruling that the runner was not guilty of interference when he was hit by the ball...
@@rickhaavisto9023 well he waited until the runner was way past the plate almost back in the dugout to only rule no interference. And then rules safe on the appeal too.
Zed A way to challenge a base running mistake, without the runner being there... Things like passing base without touching (advancing or retreating), and leaving to early (before ball that is caught is first touched)
@@rileyschack3191 An appeal is asking the umpire to make a call that they normally do not have to make, such as a missed base. An umpire does not automatically call a runner out for missing a base; the defense must specifically appeal that to the umpire. A challenge is asking the umpire to overturn a call he has made.
@@jhayd11 Appeals are pretty much as old as the game, still using the judgment of the umpire (any of the 4 on the field), while challenges use modern technology (cameras). This play was unique because the umpire basically lied and said he saw the foot hit the bag (easily could have conversed with his crew before making the call). If he hadn't been trying to avoid the ball and seen the foot miss the plate, he would have deliberately not made a safe or out call. Then either the runner goes back to touch the plate, or the defense realizes this and has until the next pitch to appeal the 'non-call'.
Hope to see some of the Doyers/Gigantes you on here!! With the series involving the two best teams in baseball and 3 crazy game endings, only way this series doesn’t end up on here is east coast bias. Hopefully we get one!!
Just tell the white sox manager guy that it's an unwritten rule that if the bases are loaded you can have a mound visit and then review if the guy missed the home plate
Gotta be hard for umps to argue when the person you're arguing with is like "no i literally made these rules, i think you're wrong"
I bet it's even harder for LaRusa to go back thinking "we fucking forgot about the appeal"
@@TheCoolwhipped even worse “we fucking forget to actually read the rule book”
I think that last dugout visit was the umps checking LaRussa's breath to see if he needed a sobriety check.
@@MrSheckstr except they didnt ask for a video review, they said they think he missed the plate and the umps were like "Yeah he might have, we know the homeplate ump didnt do his job as the ball was going at him"
At least this brought the percentage of getting it right with replay up to 40%.
Saying "I think" is actually sorta genius in that moment, if he came out and said "HEY hey never touched home plate" the ump would've gotten defensive and this clip would be in a "umps having thin skin and ejecting ppl compilation" video
That Notre Dame education keeps paying off.
This comment is true and funny
I’m not sure that he would’ve been thrown out. I think it was more an attempt to avoid suspicion if they did indeed take that mound visit to review the play, then plan to appeal in order to review. Pretty genius, must say.
It's not likely because they didn't want to appear aggressive (certainty is a stronger position to take when you can). It's that they didn't want to draw attention to how long it had been since the play occurred, that they'd have been able to view the replay. At least, that's what Jomboy is suggesting here.
no challenge could have been issued without something to legally challenge. It would have taken a galaxy brained ump to realize that by accepting his appeal he was reopening the time window for a challenge.
"I think he missed homeplate" is the polite way to tell the ump he's wrong.
It's like when you write "kindly" in a work email.
@@MrMostaza14 😂
Yep. Just some diplomacy there.
It was really Midwest Nice of him
@@gfox9295 rare in baseball
Something I really appreciate in this video is at 1:09, Jomboy doesn't fault the Umpire for missing the play. As much as we crap on umpires they're still human.
I think it was pretty excusable seeing he had a ball flying at him
Avoiding being hit is natural but he could have been honest and looked to the other umps for a call, he knows he didnt watch what happened so he should have been honest and not made any call.
@@swskitso no other ump can make a call on a missed touch at home plate; he MUST make the call. at the MLB level that's what replay is for. at lower levels without replay, after signaling the runner safe and the defense complains _nicely,_ he might get the crew together and ask "did anyone see him conclusively NOT touch the plate?".... chances are no one 100+ feet away could be absolutely sure, so the call would stand
I don't mind when they're wrong, I just don't like when they're dicks about it. this ump was cool but sometimes they aren't
@@swskitso what a dumb comment. Every umpire had specific things they are watching for. No one is watching for the play at home except the home plate umpire.
Before you try to make suggestions or criticism I suggest you educate yourself on how umpires do their job
It is a little messed up, but I can't lie: It's somewhat satisfying to see Tony "Unwritten Rules" LaRussa be disappointed.
He's definitely not good with the writing them down.
Tony La(unwritten rules)sa
Not somewhat - very satisfying. He’s been doing that since he was with the Cards.
Yeah this is totally one of those “unwritten rules/decorum” but all and all I would say it’s legal just very sneaky
"Unwritten Rules" are for boys clubbers. If it was a real rule, it'd be written down.
I don’t understand how you wouldn’t step on the plate in that scenario. That’s your only objective in that moment lol
Right. And with replay he should have known he’d be caught missing it.
I suspect he got distracted when the ball hit him.
@@dLimboStick we are talking about the runner, not the umpire
In football, ball carriers don't always look down to make sure they have crossed the goal line before they try for style points by shedding the pigskin.
@@dc7993 It def hit the runner right on his foot.
i like the "safe, NO OUT!" twins, new favorite characters
lost my shit when they called him out and zoomed into the one guy
Without their own microphones, ballpark shots of groups of fans make for a wonderful return to silent-movie-comedy. Jomboy should narrate some of those, he has a real knack for reading people. I love how developed of an act these two already are. The best bit is when Brewer mocks White Sock by mimicking his sunflower-seed fist-toss & then folds his own arms to contrast w/ the safe-call being made directly across the front of his own chest. I could make a thousand gif's out of those 10 or 15 seconds of video. LaRussa, too... LOL.
That was my son and me.
@@deuces_shoeless haha same dude those eyes 😂
@@_joshfarrar I was gonna guess you guys were father & son! I was worried you were siblings w/ a large age gap & I'd insult you. How'd you guys end up fans of two different teams? My father was a Tigers fan who brought me up in NY & the same happened to us.
Thing I love about it is that's always been LaRussa when he managed. He always used every trick in the book to win or get something his way. Brewers flipped the script on him.
They actually had to go about it this way; Pena never tagged the runner or the plate, so they had to tag the base before the next pitch in order to have an appeal to challenge. The 20s in order to challenge started on the appeal. The mound visit did not constitute a new play.
@@matthewweber2455 what? Shut up bozo
@@GokuFan98 he’s right
If it was Joe Maddon instead of La Russa, the umps would have 100% sided with Maddon. Maybe even ejected Councel for bothering them while they were at it.
@@GokuFan98 that's how base running errors are reviewed...
More specifically, missing home plate has it's own rule: 5.09(b)(12)
(12) In running or sliding for home base, he fails to touch home base and makes no attempt to return to the base, when a fielder holds the ball in his hand, while touching home base, and appeals to the umpire for the decision;
In this case, on appeal the runner was called safe, and the appeal was reviewed (immediately I may add).
La Russa upon being told there's no rule that the Brewers broke: "But the unwritten rules say..."
he'll somehow bring in swinging on 3-0
Fuck unwritten rules. They make the game not as entertaining for younger audiences and bring viewership down. Not the only thing doin it but it is a contributing factor
@@lebryantjohnson7306 lol right
@@CadWeapTech the only unwritten rule worth following is waiting(even if they’re in the batters box) for the batter to be ready.
That's a written rule. From the MLB website rules PDF. Rule 6.02 Pitcher Illegal Action (a) Balks (5) The pitcher makes an illegal pitch; COMMENT: A quick pitch is an illegal pitch. Umpires will judge a quick pitch as one delivered before the batter is reasonable set in the batter's box. Similar comment at 5.07(a)(2).
Jomboy’s lip-reading is impeccable. Like that’s actually insane.
The CIA will get him under contract soon. I'm almost sure of it.
You're assuming he's right. Maybe LaRussa said "I awoke in a frog orifice" instead of "I worked in the front office."
Jomboys also a mind reader. Took one look at La Russas shifty eyes & read his friggin mind.
'OOhhhhhhhhh! You sneaky. . . What? What? Uh, hold up. What!?'
LMAO
Nothing more entertaining than a baseball loophole
Maybe the poophole loophole but yeah, the baseball ones are pretty fun too.
This shit was brilliant though haha
People too worried about the unwritten rules to notice the written ones. Brilliant.
Except every sport (besides soccer) that isn't baseball! :)
Like not betting as a player, but simply as a coach? 😉
Umpire: he had a replay on the appeal
Tony LaRussa: *googly eyes intensifies*
In a Joe Pesci-like look!
I laughed so hard at this moment
Googly eyes was my fav part lmao
I think he said i think to not hurt the ump's feelings.
well in that case, Wraig Wounsell
As someone who interacts frequently with clients, I definitely use this language a lot.
"I think you're missing a few files"
"It looks like these numbers are off"
"It seems like this is incorrect"
I know all of these statements are perfectly true, but unless you want to get on someone's bad side, you definitely couch your language this way. Plus it leaves you room to backpedal in case you actually are wrong.
I think they’d think “He didn’t step on the bag” would have been seen as argumentative, while “I think he missed the bag” is more inquisitive and neutral
@@dremin15 Yeah I feel like if he had just said "he didn't step on the bag" the umps might have just shut it down right there.
Considering they lost at least one game* to blatant butthurt-cheating? Yup, gotta protect those sensitive feelings.
* - Woodruff has a good lead, but gets mad at bad calls that chase him off. Chirps about it when relieved. Umpire not satisfied with "ejecting" him, makes *blatant* bad calls in quick succession to make sure Woodruff eats a loss. Next game, makes a blatant bad call near the start and just stares in the dugout to wordlessly say "I can do anything I want".
I love how baseball still manages to have a phone from the 1960s in the dugout at all times. 4:51
its a hardwired phone to the bullpen
lmao
Tell me you are 14 without telling me you are 14.
Those are still modern phones.
Like every single business in the world still has them my guy.
@@Luckingsworth no the bullpen phones are not "modern phones" they're old school and hard wired directly to the bullpen they don't connect to outside lines. You really shouldn't jump into things insulting people. You look like an ass. You look even worse when you're also wrong while doing it. Be better
@@Luckingsworth tell me you can’t take a joke without telling me you can’t take a joke
3:04 for some reason this scene where Jomboy zooms in on La Russa’s finger is my favourite part of the breakdown
Jomboy likes to zoom in on the most mundane and ridiculous things that most people don't even notice and it's the best
"I wrote that rule!"
"No you didn't."
Absolute power move by those umps.
"I wrote that rule"
"Well it's wrong"
"Oof"
For once I am on the umps side lol,
@@trickwheel 😂
Larussa: “it’s an unwritten rule “
@@Phil-ui4tm *yermin mercedes emerges from stands*
Yermin: “Nobody CARES”
Can you give us the Mariners grand slam into Astros pitcher ejection Ive never seen Scott Servais so mad I need the lip reading
Yesssss 😂
I don't think Jomboy likes the M's very much, but I think he likes the Astros even less. It's definitely review worthy, though.
@@Rymann_23 fancy seeing you here lol
@@spiderman110990 he’s done a few Mariners breakdowns in the past and they tweeted the play last night. Seems like a perfect way to rub some salt into the wound for the Astros a man can dream at least. I didn’t check the Astros broadcast but seemed like some players left the dugout when it got chippy so it should be a fun breakdown really hoping for it!
@@spiderman110990 Ha ha yeah. I really hope he would do this because that was one hell of an 8th inning last night
What a chess game! That’s was hilarious 🤣
That’s sure was.
That's was hilarious
no it was definitely baseball Mr.Jomboy said it himself
That's was'nt alot hilarious
That’s was a great comment
This is definitely one of the more interesting breakdowns among all the interesting breakdowns that Jomboy has been crunching out.
jomboy i found your channel a couple months ago and now i absolutely love baseball. never watched much before, but now watch a few games live a week. thank you for showcasing how interesting and fun this sport is!!! : )
3:19 LaRussa furiously trying to comprehend an “unwritten rule” he isn’t familiar with.
Lol good one!!
@Soflo Sports dude it’s just a joke, stop being so triggered and get over yourself 😂
@Soflo Sports Kinda embarrassing you're a sports channel, yet you said something so daft and ignorant. Revoke this mans sports card.
His point was that LaRussa was more angry about Yermin ignoring the "take" sign than breaking an unwritten rule. I don't completely agree, but it's not the worst take
@@super8bitvideos so someone's not a sports fan cause they respect opponents and traditions? You do sound like a sports fan getting triggered over someone liking unwritten rules
“Fix your hair real quick, make sure you look good” 😂🤣😂🤣
Ashley, it looks like you have great hair. I hope you can appreciate the effort the pitcher used to have his hair look half as pretty as yours.
@@dirkdiggler. oh dear lord
@@dirkdiggler. ayah...
@@dirkdiggler.
ball
@@dirkdiggler. shoot ur shot king
LaRusa then went back to the dugout and blamed his pitcher for everything.
How do players enjoy playing for that dinosaur?
@@cynical-_-bunny7399 1 word.
It's not Chicago.
Money.
@@cynical-_-bunny7399 1st place by 8 games without full lineup for entire season.
@@cynical-_-bunny7399 He was a dinosaur when he led the 2011 Cardinals to the World Series
Then the pitcher posts a 10.80 era for the next 10 starts and gets sent to triple almost retires and the la rusa acts like he did nothing wrong
“You got bases loaded - man on 3rd, man on 2nd, man on 1st”
Yep…. Sounds about right
Lmao 🤣
🤣
I’ve only been into baseball in the last 10-12 years so I don’t have a very deep knowledge of some of the technical rules. Watching your breakdown videos has helped me better understand baseball and have a greater appreciation. Keep up the amazing work.
As a Cardinal fan, I too will never get over La Russa’s constant look of 👀
Thats called intoxication.
He looks 100x scarier than from when he was w the cards 😂
Tony “DUI” LaRussa
I think everyone can agree that “touching the base” rule is far more important than a “20 second to challenge a call” rule.
One might even say touching the bases is like the main rule.
Anytime up until another pitch being thrown should be ok.
“Hey wait you can’t do that!!!“ -someone who broke the rules 20 seconds ago
@@Jivvi So I get what you're saying and in principle I agree. Just so that you know why it isn't like that... the idea is they don't want the coaches to be able to see the replay 20 seconds later and then pay people on staff to watch and look for TINY little things wrong and hold up the game by constantly challenging all the time because they can sift through the footage after the fact. It would really bog everything down and the game would become wayyyy slower and all about stupid niche moments.
@@SnapCapsLie then use the NHL solution. Figure out a punishment for failed challenges. Will deter tiny borderline shit
As a Brewers fan, saw this live, immediately knew it would get a breakdown.
Should you get 3 cookies or just 1?
@@jrob5 How about 4?
proof or didnt happen
6:00 - Happily this has changed now.
Can't lie this channels brought interest back to the game after 25 years. Good stuff
That rewind on the Sox Manager's eyes was just GOLD 😂
Counsell outwitting La Russa - you love to see it
This isn’t a matter of Counsell outwitting La Russa. He merely exercised his right to review under the rules and there was literally nothing La Russa could have done to prevent it regardless of wit.
We were at this game and as soon as the review started, we were betting this would be on Jomboy
Craig C is one of the most brilliant managers I have ever seen.
No he’s not. He stinks.
The easiest job for a manager is to pull an obviously struggling pitcher just before that pitcher gives up 3 to 4 runs. Craig loves for struggling pitchers to get themselves out of their own jams they’ve created.
When he finally does make a move, after of course the 3-4 lead turns into a 2 run deficit, the pitcher he brings in next gets the final out on three consecutive pitches.
So yeah, he stinks!
@@cherbutler85 is that why he is the longest tenured manager in the NL?
@3:16 this is gold. I was dying with the close up
How do players keep missing the bags… you can literally feel the difference in your step when you hit the plate…
They're dumber than dirt. That's how.
Couldn’t truly tell you. Seen too many people make excuses for professionals failing the basics. “The ball hit him” , “the catcher was blocking the plate” , “it’s the umpires fault he called him safe”. The hoops some jump through when my one and only thought would be getting to and touching home plate.
Idk. They fail to tough home base in a game called baseball
No different than the idiots in the NFL that drop the ball before crossing the goal line. How many times do we have to see that happen?
Home plate feels different than the other bases. It's flat and just feels like the dirt unlike 1st, 2nd, & 3rd which protrude and there is a clear distinction when touching/running over them.
Great breakdown again. That was a genius move on Counsell's part. Well within the rules and I love that LaRussa was stumped. 😂
3:19 😵💫🤣
This wasn't a genius move. It was the only move. He can't challenge the safe call because there was no "out" possible. (The catcher did not tag the runner or home plate.) He can ONLY appeal the runner missing home. And that's what he did.
Love the freeze frame of LaRussa's face when Jomboy decided to go PIP
Not a loophole at all. Appeals must be made before the next play. A review of the umpire's decision on the appeal must be requested within 20 seconds. This is pretty easy to understand. The umpire did what he was supposed to do: Watch the ball.
Thanks JomBoy for holding it down here at RUclips, and making this a place still worth coming back to. You are a fucking Gem.
this play is a microcosm for my life. Its like my dad always said, "close don't cut it bucko".
almost is not good enough
“I wrote that rule!”
Umpire: “Not good enough apparently.”
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Teacher: "Homework was incomplete"
@@nagasako7 he forgot to show his work.
Be honest, I know you all chuckled at La Russa’s eyeballs going haywire 😂
You provide the best "weird stuff happens" break downs ever.
i love these........... and these break downs. great stuff. youre the best.
That eye dart loop was damn hilarious
Memoria
Before replay position players used to routinely miss tagging bases and umps basically gave it to them. Except for first base because umps actually looked at the feet when they tagged it.
really puts the HIGH in high level.
MLB players need to do the hop and land on both feet on the plate move.
It's almost like the NBA with traveling
@@KTF0 "the turn" at second base. When I started umpiring, I was taught early that if the fielder is in the same zip code as second base to give them the out on the force.
Umpires: "Counsell is technically correct. The best kind of correct"
"Don't quote me regulations. I co-chaired the committee that reviewed the recommendation to revise the color of the book that regulation's in... We kept it grey!"
He's not, though.
I actually genuinely laughed at this. Amazing content keep it up. It makes my day when I see a new jomboy post
@ 3:00..Boy George!! 😂😂😂😂
Excellently executed, good job Counsell.
GIVE US A BREAKDOWN ON THE MARINERS COMEBACK LAST NIGHT WITH THE EJECTION AND GRANDSLAM
Lesgo Jomboy vid makes everything better
3:15 lmaoooo that stare
2:47 OMG 🤣🤣🤣
3:02 holy crap, La Russa is still alive?! I thought he was old in the early 90's...
search up tony la russa hat on google, you’ll laugh a bunch
LOL, if managing a first place team is alive, then I guess he's still kicking.
@@johnhill6412 heh, yeah, I think the qualifies
when he said "hey come here a minute" wiggling his finger in slow motion all i could think about was "why dont you have a seat"
Jomboy I'd love to see a breakdown of the Mariners comback against the Astros yesterday!
Incredible choice for the freeze-frame at 3:36
3:40 it’s said none of this sould matter 😂😂😂
We are waiting for the Baez walk off breakdown, Jimmy
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and the beanball brawl coming next game....
The only thing LaRusa knows better than the rulebook is the price of a 30 pack at your local beer distributor
That is absolutely amazing gamesmanship. Folks can learn a thing or two from this. How the Brewcrew handled that was with pure class.
The question is whether the original appeal was timely.
That type of appeal predates the current rules regarding appeals. My understanding is that they have to appeal before the next pitch. Same with appealing if a runner tagged up and left early. Was that changed and a time limit put on that as well?
No. People are just confusing an appeal with a challenge.
The White Sox GM Rick Hahn is sitting right there while Tony argues with the umps lmao (blue polo shirt in the front row at 4:59)
This might be my favorite replay, smart move by the brew crew
It really was brilliant. It took me a second to figure out how they got around it. Really though, MLB could probably just copy the NFL and allow coaches or umps to review scoring plays or specifically, plays-at-the-plate if there is a legitimate concern over home plate contact or possession of the ball or whatever...
The smart move wouldve been challenging right away as it was blatantly obvious he missed the plate.
Agreed but brew crew is the worst name lmao
Cheaters
Tony LaRussa arguing for 10 minutes about a rule he made to help pace of play. Classic.
This all could have been avoided if the dude touched home plate 🤦🏻♂️
Amazing rundown by Jomboy as always though 🔥🔥🔥
I may be dense but I still don’t understand. So they can’t challenge a play after 20 seconds but when the pitcher steps off the mound and the coach says I don’t hunk he touched the bag they’re allowed to go to the replay?
The rule is you only have 20 seconds to "challenge" a call. Since they could not "challenge" anymore, they asked the umps for an "appeal" of the call (I guess there is no time limit on an appeal). I think they appealed to the first base ump. When the first base ump agreed with the home plate ump on the appeal, they then "challenged" the appeal (within 20 seconds).
I don’t even like baseball but I watch this whole video 🤣😂 great job
3:40 I think there is an "h" missing on-screen, for the word "sould", no doubt,
Is supposed to have one, so I'm appealing that the editor _should_ be called out.
Just like the baserunner had to hit the base,
The captions editor cannot forget the "h". 😂
Also at 3:07, "mound" is incorrect. They have it as "moound."
@@SuperSonic_868 yup noticed that too, simple spelling mistakes are easy to make.
Can you do a breakdown on javy baez getting revenge on amir garrett
Yeah came here to ask this. Gotta do the Mago Walk off of Garrett. The footage is shit, didnt get the bat toss but still.
@@mccards he'll probably find a camera angle that has it somehow
@@juliantorres3239 mlb and marque has a unbelievable angle on the replay
@@mccards actually u can see the bat toss here ruclips.net/video/m_DBGDzoTYg/видео.html
Hey Jomboy can you breakdown the Mariners grand slam and Astros pitcher ejection?
How tf did astros lost the game 🤣🤣
@@shin29534 no idea but we'll take it!!!!!!!
hahaha those eyeballs 3:19 :)
I think baseball should change rules to dodgeball rules. If the player throws the ball at you and it hits you, you're out.
If you can dodge a baseball, you can dodge a wrench.
We need the javy walk off
TLR: I AM, THE RULE!
Umps: Not. Yet.
Tony likes to stand up for rules but not players that’s a nice manager they have there in the south side of Chicago
They’re 1st in there Division…
@@hobbs12cats I know he is a good manager but he really likes to stand up for rules
Fantastic gamesmanship. Love all aspects of this. Great video and narration.
Incredible breakdowns as usual. Over 2 million views. I hope you are saving your money jomboy.
NO MARINERS GAME? there was an ejection and a 7-0 comeback
If he called him safe,the runner has no recourse the play is over.
But even after the safe call, if the player had gone back to touch the plate, they wouldn't have been able to appeal. The reason Burnes stepped off of the plate and threw to home was so that the catcher could step on the plate and effectively get the force out at home. If the runner had touched the plate, even after being called safe, there is no grounds for appeal because they still have to have the ball while touching the plate to record the out.
He called the safe signal, he didn’t call the runner safe until the appeal at the plate.
Safe is used for no catch, no obstruction, no fan interference, and important in this situation, no interference by a runner.
He was ruling that the runner was not guilty of interference when he was hit by the ball...
@@rickhaavisto9023 well he waited until the runner was way past the plate almost back in the dugout to only rule no interference. And then rules safe on the appeal too.
A R Ok? So you agree with me that the original commenter is wrong that the umpire ruled the runner safe until the appeal?
how is this a Jomboy breakdown without the word "horseshit", tossed in?
LETS GOOOOOO
@@Triplechomending I was gonna fucking say bro, where is it... Let's go!
Most underrated comment Jim!
Because no one involved in the argument said it.
best edit ever of la rosa eyes at 3:12
At 3:53 his face says I'm on crack 😆
Appeal plays are different, the umpires got it right. Which is great because Tony La Russa was on the losing side
What is an appeal?
Zed A way to challenge a base running mistake, without the runner being there...
Things like passing base without touching (advancing or retreating), and leaving to early (before ball that is caught is first touched)
I love how civil tony la russa was being. Not one time did he yell or get in the umps’ faces.
He got thrown out the game prior lol
It was almost like he was a professional... who would have thought.
@@chesterthompson6835 man. I guess he is isn’t he. That’s crazy. Never thought about it
the time limit is for challenges. there is no time limit for an appeal, you just have until the next pitch is thrown. Nice try Tony La RuinBaseball.
What’s the difference between an appeal and a challenge?
@@rileyschack3191 An appeal is asking the umpire to make a call that they normally do not have to make, such as a missed base. An umpire does not automatically call a runner out for missing a base; the defense must specifically appeal that to the umpire. A challenge is asking the umpire to overturn a call he has made.
what is the difference between appeal and challenge?
@@jhayd11 dude just said it above you LMFAO
@@jhayd11 Appeals are pretty much as old as the game, still using the judgment of the umpire (any of the 4 on the field), while challenges use modern technology (cameras).
This play was unique because the umpire basically lied and said he saw the foot hit the bag (easily could have conversed with his crew before making the call). If he hadn't been trying to avoid the ball and seen the foot miss the plate, he would have deliberately not made a safe or out call. Then either the runner goes back to touch the plate, or the defense realizes this and has until the next pitch to appeal the 'non-call'.
5:19 No one talking about the fence crashing on the lady? 🤣
One of your better breakdowns right here as far as I’m concerned. Top 3
The irony is that the whole point of replay is to get the call right, but Tony doesn't care about that if it's going against him 🤔
Hope to see some of the Doyers/Gigantes you on here!! With the series involving the two best teams in baseball and 3 crazy game endings, only way this series doesn’t end up on here is east coast bias. Hopefully we get one!!
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Even if the 20 second rule was a thing, they technically challenged the appeal and they did it within 20 seconds
There was a mound visit that lasted like 2 minutes
@@colinmcmasters5819 The appeal came after the mound visit.
@@colinmcmasters5819 doesn't matter. The challenge was against the appeal which makes the mound visit irrelevant
The real MVP is the broom handle behind Jimmy just leaning against the wall
I'm not even a baseball fan but damn I love this channel
Can we get a breakdown on the Mariners from last night jomboy?
Put a mustache on Tony La Russa and he’s the MyPillow Guy.
Oh, Jomboy. Thank you for helping us forget about all the bullshit going on in the world for a few minutes. Love a good loophole.
The back and forth eyes had me laughing so hard 🤣
Just tell the white sox manager guy that it's an unwritten rule that if the bases are loaded you can have a mound visit and then review if the guy missed the home plate