What Really Happened to Kim Beverly and Carole Wetherton
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In Semptember of 2003, Kim Beverly and Carole Wetherton went on a day hike in the Uinta Mountains of northern Utah. Their bodies were not found until the following June. Investigators suggested they'd became lost while returning from Long Lake, but a fresh look at the evidence reveals a different story.
Read more about Kim and Carole's journey at backcountrypost...
As a hunter when I'm in the woods about every 50 yards, I do a 360 degree turn around just to see what the trail looks like during a return back to the camp or vehicles. It's sounds so simple, but you'd be surprised how the scenery changes by looking at it from different angles.
In the old Louis L'Amour books he consistently talks about looking back on the trail to remember what the trail will look like on the way back.
George Upham That’s a great idea. So simple, yes, but it wouldn’t occur to most people.
My dad taught me this on my first hunting trip as well. Another old hunting tip for trail safety is to break limbs off of trees as you go
@@lukec58397 hope all hunters gets lost forever.
@@nurism.8696 thanks for sharing
I went hunting with different hunters on two occasions who both said they knew the area we were going and that I was silly for bringing my gps with me (along with a backpack of supplies). They made fun of me but I didn't care. I did not want to depend on their knowledge alone. I ended up leading both hunters (on two separate occasions) out of the forest after they were lost. One enjoyed my food I had brought also. Don't rely on senses alone and leave your arrogance at home, your life is more valuable than to make assumptions.
Even a seemingly simple day hike can become deadly. Every excursion should be started with that thought in mind. Especially if your in unfamiliar territory.
Never take personal safety for granted.
Love and light to all ❤️
Surprisingly they didn't even make it 24 hours, always dress for success!
How sad. I’m tearful thinking about the mother and daughter huddled together and dying together, just tragic.
@whatever you do Do not Look Behind You Huddled is an English word meaning there bodies were very close to each other for warmth, with the mother probably holding her daughter tightly with her arms around her.
A handheld GPS would be a good investment...
Agreed. Or transponders. If you find yourself in deep wilderness regularly or semi-regularly F'N get it! And keep it!
@@peatmoss4415 I agree map and compass I'm old school I know lol.
Unless you’re being chased and hunted
@@wh5321 That's very true, all the more reason why I advocate hikers carry a weapon and bear spray . I have heard stories of hikers moving off the trail to go around bears traveling the hiking trails people got the false sense that things like this won't affect them or never happen to them. I also know that most don't believe in bigfoot and I can't blame them as I to never believed a creature this big could exist until I seen one it was daylight hours wasn't coming after me it was just walking across a open hay field from a swampy section heading towards a woods.
@@treerat6959 no pictures of Big Foot??? Damn.
These stories give me sleepless night. May God keep everyone safe and with their loved ones.
Lets leave imaginary deities out of it. All organised religion is man made. A control system for the weak and feeble minded, and lucrative money making scam bringing in billions of tax free revenue each and every year.
@@RSR423 lets leave delusional atheist out.
@@RSR423 fuck off dumbass no one asked for your worthless opinion
Why didnt God save them? And why do we have to worship a God who cant save us??
@@kumarlaxman400 I'm not here to teach u why we were created and the purpose of your existences.
Thts your parents job.
It’s amazing how many people venture into the wilderness with so little emergency back up gear even just to stay warm replenish their nourishment and energy to be able to continue just a lien two with some rope a couple of fire sticks, matches... A knife even
Wtf is a lien two?
@@bulletsfordinner8307 I think it's when you owe the bank money on two properties at the same time.
@@QBYOUNGBLOOD oh OK thanks
HAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHA Ramrod SanBonito, it's lean-to. Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha.
@xc5647321 xc5647321 smh you tards and your overkill make me fucking laugh.
Take the wilderness seriously. Prepare. Know your route. Take a compass. Know your bearings. Take a GPS. Take emergency supplies. Stop, think, don't panic.
And that GPS device should have a signal beacon.
I have a collection of map sections from hiking in the North cascades. Never got lost but being able to track my location on the map always gave me a sense of security. You often don't know your lost until your really, really lost.
The lack of planning and preparation will get you in trouble every time and being overconfident thinking you can survive Mother Nature
The quality of this video is spot on surprised this channel doesn’t have more attention for missing persons cases
Dapper Dan carz from what I can tell it’s the only one he has done... I was looking for more bc of how thorough it was and clear to understand
I just wonder how experienced they were? Wilderness excursions carry an entirely different set of rules vs going to the beach for a week.
The scenery is so stunning and beautiful. Like a moving postcard.Almost 4got how sad the story was.So Sad.
The high quality of this production and video brings a little bit of dignity to this sad tragedy.
Interesting perspectives. I was on one of the SAR teams that made the discovery and I wonder about their final hours quite often.
I was not aware of that Jason. I'd love to get your perspective sometime.
Yeah, we'll have to chat. Nice work georeferencing the photos.
These are very weird cases, thanks for sharing this video with us! I absolutely love ❤️ the uinta mountains, pass lake and mirror lake are my favorite areas; Yellowpines campground ⛺️ also the upper falls area and soapstone are also my favorite areas! Love fishing 🎣 the Provo river in the area!
Very good fishing 🎣 and quite place to just get out and about
Lindsey Marie Shortshit tribett I was wondering about that. What did you catch, trout? Any bass?
Tragedy could have been avoided with the help of an Emergency Locator Device (approx. cost $300).
or a pack of matches
.15¢
Also, this is why I don't go into the wilderness... I can't find my way around the block! And sadly, lol, I'm not kidding! Almost died in a car accident a few yrs back because of this. In my defense though, where I grew up "around the block" was a 3 mile trip into the back woods. My home town doesn't have a single stop light. And, the accident was in the city beside my town. Also, there was an accident in the same spot a week prior to mine, the stop sign facing me was ripped out and never replaced. I hadn't realized I was already "around the block, and instead of turning left, I went straight, and straight thru a busy intersection where I thought the other cars had the stop. I didn't realize until too late they weren't stopping. It was a month later the city acknowledged they hadn't replaced the stopped sign. I was found half at fault and also realized..... I am very very bad with directions! I also got lost in the woods behind my (parents now, but I grew up there) house as a youngin bc its just miles and miles of woods, and it all looks the same, trees, the occasional downed limb, and a random small stone wall that looks to falling a bit. I always wondered though, who put those stone walls wayyyy out there? I don't know, but I wasn't going back that far ever again to look around
It is always extremely sad when hikers don't make it back. Some issues, however, can be tackled in the planning stage:
1. Proper use of maps and compasses and GPS. Do not just blindly follow a track. Confirm where you are and rely on your navigation.
2. Take proper survival gear with you. That includes a tent, sleeping system, cooker, candles, torches, food, small axe, pepper spray, firearm, fire-lighting capability. If you are in a forest use dead wood. Dead wood burns, green wood is more problematic.
3. You must tell someone when to expect you back. They can raise the alarm.
4. Smoke grenade is useful for tracking aircraft, if you are on the move and have no fire.
5. You must be aware of the possibility of predators and their biting characteristics. You must have a plan if surprised, eg, axe and knife at the ready. In bear country place food on rope suspended from a tree 100 m away. With wolves, build a raised platform.
Trails in a lot of lesser used areas tend to be marked horribly. Can easily get lost on many trails because of that reason. I’ve been lost . Besides hiking for a long time trying to find the way out you lose energy from the stress. I luckily hiked off mount hood and found highway 35 right before it got dark. But had we been lost after dark it could have been real bad. Always bring a small survival kit. Once I took a day hike and decided to spend the night with just my survival kit. Was wet cold couldnt get a fire going. The space blanket isn’t very warm if there’s air leaks and they barely wrap around you. The couple granola bars and water helped with slight hunger but one night was enough to tell me not to leave my car I prepared. Was very uncomfortable cold wet and did t get a wink of sleep even with a small lean to. I wouldn’t have had energy to hike around lost without sleep. Luckily I wasn’t lost and hiked the 6 miles back that morning at first light. I was worn out like I had just climbed a mountain.
Glad u made it out. I think people underestimate how quickly the effects of hunger, dehydration, hypothermia and a lack of sleep can set in and always ask why did they stop here so close to the way out??? Well they might not have known it was there, and they might not have been able to get up and move any longer.
If anyone underestimates it the most, it’s the ones who venture unwittingly into the wilderness and succumb. RIP
Really well made. I’ve skimmed through the mega thread on bcp but this is much more concise and easier to follow. Surprised it doesn’t have more views, though I suppose the story has fallen off the radar long since.
I just recently found this. I usually keep myself informed on missing persons ever since I first read of David Paulides but somehow I missed this one. Based on the narration of this video it is definitely perplexing how the two women ended up where they did? Did they not plan out this hike? Did they not come prepared for it? Why seemingly casually wander off the beaten path in an area that had to have been completely unfamiliar to them? I can only imagine in horror the final days or hours these two must have endured before they succumbed to the elements. There just seems to be more and more of these kinds of disappearances happening these days and it begs the question why? Perhaps this is not the case and since we live in the information age we just here about it more then it was possible before. Either way it is still distressing!
The word believe always comes up----simply put they dont know, and the autopsy report unconclusive as usual!!!-----paranormal is more the case----"i believe"
I feel most hikers are just liberals who like the outdoors, very few go armed even with bear spray have no orienteering skills or woodscraft skills. They fallow a path but still get confused . Please stay in your safe spaces one mistake can kill those I'll prepared for real wilderness.
@@treerat6959 I am just really clueless why these two met their demise the way they did? Their scattered remains were found near a make-shift shelter 100+ yards from a trail that would have eventually taken them back to their starting point. Why did they stop where they did? Did one of them get hurt or got sick (altitude may have factored here)? Was it getting too dark or raining too hard forcing them to seek shelter? Did something spook them to leave the trail? Were they just lost? They supposedly had matches yet there was no evidence of a fire, why?
I personally know what it is like being out in these mountains in a rain storm and given the terrain they were in they could have found plenty of dry pine needles at the base of any pine tree nearby. So, again I ask why no fire???
Idk, there are many questions and very few answers. It is really a mystery as to what happened to these two?
If only the trees could talk...
@@weldenjon Hi Jon just having matches doesn't mean you have sure fire, if a person doesn't know how in wet conditions it can be almost impossible and why I stated knowing woodscraft helps emencly if your going to be out like this.
@@treerat6959 oh ffs, there are also plenty of conservatives who don't know dick about the outdoors, how about leave politics out of it.
I stumbled on your channel... very great video. Why aren't you making new videos? Are you okay? I noticed that many people stumbled on your channel as well recently and love your video. I hope you make new videos soon. Your channel will be a big hit. It is on recommended area here on RUclips....aloha and mahalo
Didn't bring any matches or tinder to start a camp fire?
A fire in front of those rocks could have kept them alive through the night. Looks like there is plenty of stuff to burn. Sad
simply not prepared to be there at all.
ALWAYS have a locator device. ALWAYS have food, more than you think you might need. jerky, dried fruits, a water purifier pen. have some sort of idea to provide warmth. matches, and survival blanket. none of these are heavy to carry in a pack. AND LET PEOPLE KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING, and when you will return.
Why in the hell would 2 women alone...ever go into the wilderness as if they have a clue? Makes no sense to me at all, and I am a female.....I know I would never even consider this.
TheRobinMasters Theory
I hear Ya! 😳
I agree.
Can't imagine what they were thinking.....or not thinking. This idea for 2 vulnerable women to head out to parts unknown alone was insane.
I worry when my wife and daughter go shopping by themselves. Too many crazies in this world, and unfortunately women, and senior citizens are prime targets.
@@andylucas8262 You have legitimate reason to be concerned. I saw a crime episode where a robber/murderer was targeting women and their children in black SUVs with dark windows in mall parking lots. One woman escaped but the perpetrator has never been apprehended. The only thing a woman can do is go only in daylight, park as close as possible to mall doors and try to walk in and out with other people who are going in or out at the same time. That is not always possible. I never park by a large vehicle such as an SUV where someone could be hiding on the other side. My eyes are constantly sweeping the parking lot and in between cars for anyone who is loitering or looks out of place. I am on high alert all the time and constantly aware of my surroundings. Sad that we have to live this way but very necessary with human predators about.
So sad, mother and daughter.
I remember a few trips to this area as a scout. The first trip I was around 12-13 on my first overnight backpacking trip. I remember a different group asking if we had seen someone from their group, as he was lost. Luckily after a few hours of searching and just before dark they were able to find him. The other trip I remember, well, in short it sucked. I was 14-15 and we were doing a kind of pre test, one night backpacking trip before taking a much longer one for a week later that summer. On the drive up the weather got worse and for some reason once at the trail head we decided to still go even though it was raining. I can't remember the destination or plans but I want to say that we didn't complete the entirety of our plans due to weather. Finally, being soaked and tired we set up camp. Looking and the extra reading from Mr. Cawley's backcountrypost I remember quite well the area in the picture with the caption, "An unsigned intersection on the Notch Mountain Trail leading toward Clyde Lake. Rocks lined up were the only indication of where to make the turn. (Photo: Dave Cawley)" Underneath. Even though the women in pictures are smiling I personally don't think it to be a honest example showing what they were truly thinking or feeling. Most people smile and/or pose for a picture. Personally when I was hiking in the crummy weather I didn't look up and around at the scenery much and was only thinking how wet and cold I was. We had to stop a few times to get our bearings and make sure we were heading in the right way. We'll never know the full story about these women, but given similar circumstances I can see how one could possibly get mixed up or lost in the area. Once it got dark they wouldn't of had light from stars or a moon given the weather and would be forced to stop. An unfortunate story.
Excellent video. Great explanation, photos, accompanying maps.
I get lost going downtown on public transportation.
Noble Hill
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@@littleremedies514 :::: I get lost every time i have to drive through Dallas/Fort Worth.
It's a perpetual construction detour zone.
@@bigstick5278
I have only had to drive thru Dallas Ft Worth one time in my life. I was in a business trip.😵 Later had to drive thru Houston early one morning to catch my flight back to Ft Lauderdale. I felt intimidated even early on a Sunday morning. LOL 😄 And I'd driven thru lots of big cities at that point;
How tragic and odd. No equipment or know how to start a fire? No survival supplies? Strange story.
DUDE! you have a gift! Why am I not finding this type of missing person video with maps and even personal assumptions of theories as to what happened??? It is not like there are not enough cases of missing people. Yes time and perseverance take a toll. This is superb. And I do not recall hearing abt this case. Needless to say, repetitive missing ppl cases, keeps ppl name’s prevalent and maps assist those needing visuals not elsewhere provided in tandem.
Great report Dave. -Russ
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I want to go hiking and then people ask me why I don’t actually ever go out. Ffs. RIP ladies. 🌹✌️
Sad ending fueled by inexperience.
Mysterious case has this been covered on the missing 411? Or any other media at all
This missing persons case does not meet the criteria for Missing 411. It is explainable. No food. No map. No GPS. No plan. No clue.
@@lisas8244 411 cases have nothing to do with food, maps, gps or having a plan.
Yiannis2112 yes it has!!! Cases that CAN be explained with human factor isnt intresting for Paulides and this case is to much of a human error!!! Bye
@@MW-wm2uy Cases he investigates have nothing to do with whether the victim had food and/or water on him/her, before he/she disappeared. Or a gps. Or necessarily a plan, to be here or there. Some had a plan, others had a vague one, others didn't. Probably you didn't understand what we were talking about, so read again. Bye!
I never go to the woods without my Garmin InReach! Such devices can literally save your life.
better yet, I never go into the woods.
@3.50-3.52 I can hear a strange sound while the guy is talking
Same
@@kellysuzanne976 like a growling of some kind of animal or creature
@@helengelle3984 Yeahh that's what I was thinking and it freaked me out!!
Helen Gelle
I tried really hard to hear the sound but no luck. Heard nothing but the guy's voice.☹️
is actually, starts 349
Always pack emough gear n food
compact, and professional with a good voice. Like I always say it's OK to speculate as long as you make it 100% clear that you ARE doing so and you did that. Thank you for appearing in my recommendations and all the best for the future of your channel
I checked your channel but couldn;t find more videos like this...post more please.....
Chester Copperpoot I produced an 18-part podcast series called Cold all about the 2009 disappearance of Susan Powell in 2009. You might enjoy it. www.thecoldpodcast.com
Something spooked them. You don't just die on the first night
Never leave the trail..
City people should just watch npr.
so true. same views on a big screen in the safety of your living room on a cushy sofa with hot cocoa.
There are hooded jackets you can get too with a battery inside to warm you.
Plus everyone should have a survival blanket and lots of food and water obviously plus all the other essential items as we know even hiking for a few short hours.
Crazy..you go hiking, unprepared, unqualified, and completely inexperienced... then people risk their lives to save you? Asinine.. also no emergency beacon, no satellite phone, nothing!!
So sad...but I can't understand with all the hikers that travel out into the wilderness why the trails are not marked at all or poorly marked. If the trails were marked, maybe more hikers would not get lost and perish to the elements. Great channel. I just found your channel. Thanks.
Learn to read a topographical map and never go out without a topographical map of the hiking area. The better the resolution of the map the better your chances of orienting yourself. This was mountainous terrain with streams, lakes, scree slopes, plenty of features to use for orientation. Plan your hike and study the map closely and well before you set out. Do not rely solely on trails to guide you around. If planning a new route or a route in unfamiliar terrain do a dry (mental) hike of the route the day before with the help of a topographical map. Be aware of the lay of the land across a wider area extending beyond your planned route.
Very interesting video. I heard their story before, but you tell it well. You should do more like this, with so many people that go missing in places like this...you are definitely good at it. I just hope the mom and daughter both passed in their sleep, together, so one was never knowingly without the other. And hopefully didn't suffer. Very sad story, but definitely a cautionary tale
So let me get this straight, two women died and medical examiners cannot determine a cause of death? How weird is this ? Wouldn't you think they would have either traces of an injury, or internal organ damage due to a number of causes....I have been watching many documentaries about missing people in similar circumstances and this seems to be common...Autopsy doesn't reveal any aparent cause of death...This is just very bizarre to me, it has to be some sort of cover up for something else....These medical examiners are hiding something.
9 months passed critters bugs and worms eat flesh it was probably hypothermia I'm not trying to sound insensitive because it is sad but nature is as dangerous as it is beautiful. If you go into the wilderness be over prepared even on day hikes.
What! did they die on the first night? I would have done jumping jacks to keep from freezing to death
@Jose Stickman I'm not that strong and fit. But I'll never lay down and die. I've got more fight in me than that
Baxter Stockman go for it! Take the hike the women did and come back and report to us.
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim challenge accepted. Next time in the area I will. Are you up for it?
That's kind of like saying you could avoid carbon monoxide poisoning by not breathing. Hypothermia slows down your respiratory system, and you become very tired and weak. They probably figured that they would shelter there till morning, then continue on their way. I'm sure that they didn't just give up, and lay down and die.
Always carry the ten essentials and the knowledge to use them.
Well spoken sir...Great video!
That sucks.. :( may they rest in peace!
Could be a possible missing 411 case, something sinister and other worldly is happening to people for decades now in these parks across the country, this phenomenon scares me to my very core unlike anything I've ever heard of or seen
Very sad, but very educational.
Omg so sad
I would NEVER suggest females to hike by themselves or even worse - all alone. Hiking alone in the night is dangerous enough for a man, for a woman it gets way way worse - the male brain & the female brain work completely differently in panic mode.
The male brain gets into fight or flight mode while the female brain gets into surrender or scream for help mode. It is likely that Kim & Carole first went into scream for help mode & then into surrender (to their fate) mode - they most likely knew they were done for while huddling beside those rocks.
I cannot comprehend why they didn't start a fire, I've heard they had matches. I'm so sorry for their demise and certainly don't blame them because I have hiked with very little provisions myself, just curious since a fire might've helped them to survive a day or two
It seems hard to believe that they would die after just one night.
Exposure an hypothermia will an can kill you in as little as 3 hours, think being soaked to the bone an a high wind, it will literally suck the life out of you, your core body temp drops an keeps dropping in temps like that, an then your done.
Anyone know how the bodies were found? Any clothing missing? Were they together.like holding each other ? Could a bear have attacked them?
Excellent video: How could they die inside that little cave the same day they got lost, if the temperatures were not freezing? Something else killed them
Wow! This was an amazing video! Hit me up! I wanna talk if your interested...
It's called over confidence and arragance
I suspect they were found in a area that had been searched numerous times before. Were they found with their shoes on ? Was any clothing missing? Dogs could not find a scent? Medical examiner cannot determine cause of death. Is there cell phone service out there? Sounds 411 ish to me.
Light several pine trees on fire. When a spotter plane shows up you're saved.
oh yeah.....start a forest fire, stupid.
Wow, very sad.
They were missing for 9 months and 11 days.
Were are the dogs.
Are there bears out there?
Probably.
Jose Stickman Jose can I recommend reading (true Alaskan bear tales) that book will smoke your mind about black bears.
@Jose Stickman man has pretty much killed them off. soon, no animals just the human kind and they are really deadly.
Dude, take a map when going into the high Unitas. We get lost WITH one. If you don’t have one and night falls, better have brought a good coat and flashlight. It gets real dark up there…
The first mistake they made was to venture into the wilderness alone without a male figure or some type of protection
Plenty of males (probably more if we were to look at the actual numbers) lose their lives in the wild too man.
I know plenty of women that are more than capable of taking care of themselves in many situations.
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Horrible tragedy. RIP
No mention of the ranger they met who didn't chastise them for being under geared
This is very poorly put together upload.
Pictures don’t tell you what a person is thinking as is mentioned in the video. That is an assumption by the speaker. The sequence reveals the direction in which they traveled.
Wilderness travel from an old Boy Scout: Gear and clothing to handle rain, snow, bad animals and can survive a stay outdoors overnight if you have to. Tell some one where your going and when you'll be back. Water, Fire making supplies and extra food. Hand held flares. Map and compass, map and compass, map and compass..........did I say you should know how to use them? --- so you can stay found. Tragic unneeded deaths that didn't have to happen. Boy Scout motto: "Be Prepared".
It actually had snowed there for 5 days. Most likely why they sought shelter.
Weather station records from near the site, along with Kim and Carole’s own photos, show it was primarily a rain event.
They didn't even try to build a fire??? That could have saved them from the hypothermia
Carrier compass and leave markers
I would like to know now please
Makes no sense 2 people shoulda been warm enuff given rite cloths and a fire. Always carry fire when hiking.its sad I feel for them
This made me cry..I totally could see something like this happening to me and my mom. We both aren't very experienced but we have a very much " lets just do it " attitude.
What is weird to me in this case is how they passed away that night. Does it really get cold enough to die..especially when u have 2 bodies with body heat and they were in that rock. Idk I'm thinking something else...for all we know it could have been a murder suicide. Does anyone know what was going on in their lives at the time?
Hypothermia can get you cold can definitely kill. Keep the adventurous spirit but if you go into the wilderness have fire a water filter some food know what the weather will be like and be armed.
Doesn't anybody carry a fucking map and a compass anymore
Hope the hunters get lost forever.
Why American wilderness so dangerous
May God welcome them into his paradise
They talking about something like this on a different channel only thang I could think of is aliens.
Willis
"Thang" ? 😊🤗
So they hiked in without taking simple fire making supplies.. when I go camping/hiking I take plenty of cigarette lighters and a bottle of 99 percent isopropyl alcohol.. s cigarette lighter would have saved their lives
Plenty of dead pine all around. Dried up pine cones awesome for getting a fire going
Something spook them
Gil Flores 👍👍👍
They were hiding or seeking cover
Any theories of abduction? This just seems odd. Going across footpaths. Seemingly deliberate direction choices away from the starting point. There's too many obvious lakes and mountains to not know where you are, even if you're not a local. Maybe whoever led them found them dead in the morning then left? Maybe see what's in that direction west, or what their heading was? Some weirdo in a hut, out in the middle of nowhere? Im reaching pretty hard here :/ or just as simple as not being versed in wayfinding. Sad, and odd.
Sorry, don't buy it...
Mmmm. No. Something else...
Horrible, Rip.
Water...little food. Extra socks.coat no matter what time of year. Matches lightersssss. Stop make a 🔥.stop we're you are..fire
my mum always tells me to take extra socks. and waterproof trousers. wherever im going though
The government needs big spot lights in the sky , so people look up and they would know how to get to civilization and have signs every where look up or some kind of map on the field and small small shelters like wooden blankets in there
Ah, being women, I guess they "feel" their way back to the trailhead. No compass or other instrumentation required.
Oldclimber Amb hey, please don’t do that...what, being female was Amelia Earhart’s downfall? And McCandless and Timothy Treadwell must have been female, too, then
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim Okay, since you asked politely, I will reveal that this was just inflammatory "rhetoric", constructed to get a discussion going. Then the exchange would evolve into a more nuanced interpretation. So ... I will start/finish now. Women do have a tendency to eschew "instrumentation", in my experience, and usually they can get good results. That is, so long as they stay in their "power curve" of individual performance. The problem arises when they stray out of that, something happening much more with the women-can-do-anything propaganda current, ubiquitously. News flash to a LOT of women out there ... YOU CAN'T ... , especially since most women have no concept of potential danger in strategic failings, of the nature of this video. That you are not interested to try various pursuits does not seem to dissuade the overall attitude, as there are enough near, or full, existential mistakes made to highlight the attitude that has gone astray.
Thank you for replying ... and if the first word in your missive, "bey", was a corruption of "boy" ... GFY.
Oldclimber Amb no, bey was meant to be “hey”
Oldclimber Amb sure, women tend to be more intuitive. I’m coming from a personal perspective. My greatgrandmother and my grandmother survived in Northern Europe by cutting down her own trees, farming the land, knowing where and when and how to plant and how to interpret the weather, where to find there best mushrooms and berries in the forest, and where the best grass was for the cows. They knew when the best seasons were to sell goods at the markets, what things were worth. Their husbands were dead or imprisoned by the Soviets, so they never had a man to help them. They never used a compass or a calendar and never got lost.
My mother is a neurobiologist who switched to research, she’s a double MD PhD, makes much more money than my rheumatologist dad, and interprets brain wave data and writes research papers and runs a lab with plenty of men, who have never amounted to her intelligence.
Just a counter-point to add nuance to your statements. It’s not male vs female - it’s simply intelligence and common sense vs....lack thereof. Having a *enis doesn’t automatically grant you analytical thinking, just like not having one doesn’t automatically diminish your thought processes. My great-grandmother didn’t even go to school, but she would win at checkers and chess against all the men in her small town.
Maybe it is American females you’re referring to? In my country, we have female presidents, women were allowed to vote much earlier. Women fought in wars and some flew planes and plenty outsmarted the guerrillas in the forests. They helped build cabins and ran the markets.
I don’t know, your statement seemed ridiculous to me, knowing that two whole generations in my family survived because of our women.
My great-grandmother build a secret attic to hide her two young sons so that they wouldn’t be conscripted into war. The sons brought down gas lamps for light but she snatched them out of their hands, knowing that they’d die from air poisoning. She was a smart cookie, and lived till 95 years old, god rest her soul.
You are just looking to start bs. Don't get too excited because you were rejected all your life by women.
Thinning the heard ....
unprepared hikers unfamiliar with where they are got lost. sad but true.
I remember this, had to believe so much time has passed by since then.
Enjoy your lives people and stop complaining. Be content and thankful.
Hug, kiss your loved ones like it's the last day you will ever see them.
It's called natural selection.