Does woolie not remember that at this point in the story, kiyru is a suspect for murder and probably cant just waltz someone down to the local police precinct
Was he a suspect though?The cop sub story shows that no authority was really looking for him outside the tojo,and the lieutenants made it clear that kiryu would BECOME the fall guy.
Probably yes but given that in my game Kiryu Stood around theater street for about 2 hours for a date while the Dojima Family was actively trying to fucking kill him in the loudest suit on God's green earth, I feel like there's some room for logic to bend.
@@bearandthebull2372 the cop story where the dude wouldn't even arrest some attempted rapists? I wouldn't be surprised if he was left out of the loop. And yes kiryu was a suspect. Tachibana mentions at some point that he was using his influence to put a hold on the police launching a full manhunt
@@ethanstapleton5754 He'd still have unnessecary bodies on his hands which probably wouldn't sit well with the other higher ups who are responsible for him. Sleazy whats-his-name wants him to kill a specific person, not complicate things by dropping people left and right.
The whole point of that Arakure Quest substory is about how absurd and ridiculous the situation is over a video game. The sappy happy end was the cherry on top. Like that's the joke. At no point does the game actually condone the craziness.
@@sagedariel5731 im going to go ahead and assume this is something no one should click. unless they like viruses, broken computers, having their identity stolen, or some variation and/or combination of such.
Its weird that they see "letting them go" or "letting them live" and count it as "redemption". Most, if not, all of the Yakuza villains were never redeemed, they just pay for the price of their actions. The game trying to make them sympathetic by giving them a sad backstory does not equal to the hero forgiving them. Case in point, in Yakuza 7. The big bad isn't going to get away with it, Ichiban pleads the big bad to turn themselves in, they still have to do the time for their crimes. The villains of Yakuza games never really get away with any of it, they either end up dead or in jail to be written off.
It seems like Woolie sees anything less than death as "redemption". Or he just ignores that the villains get punished, or thinks that backstory = redemption like you said.
@@tigerfestivals5137 I think it's more about the story acknowledging that what the characters are doing is wrong and that the backstory doesn't justify it. Which might seem obvious, but I can see how Woolie might think it's being swept under the rug.
yeah, woolz (and a lot of other people) seen to not understand that there's a difference between redemption and giving a backstory and context to the awful things that people do. also, kiryu is not the type of person that is going to straight up murder someone only because the person is a piece of shit.
The Yakuza series puts a lot of emphasis on their back tattoos other than looking cool, they mean something for each character that wears them. Kiryu's tattoo is the Azure Dragon which symbolizes strength and wisdom, "setting the future generation on the right path" [Man, Kiryu sure likes helping people in need every game huh?] Yeah he does have a heart of gold and tries to see the good in everyone, he's the embodiment of that tattoo; he wants to set you on the right path no matter what. Yeah, it is a 'laughable view of redemption' and cheesy as fuck but I still like it.
His unrealistic idealism is kind of what puts him at odds with the Yakuza in each game anyway. Like he seems to think of Yakuza like Luffy thinks of pirates, meanwhile all of the actual Yakuza are doing the real Yakuza cuthroat shit and Kiru ain't having none of it.
Which is why Like a Dragon is much better and very appropriate title for the series, not Yakuza. It sets a different kind of expectation and impression when people hear the word "Yakuza" and it's not what first timers expected it to be. Glad that they finally able to put "Like a Dragon" on the title with Ichiban's game.
@@malikbeat No. But Woolie hasn't done any actual criticism piece for people to talk about. They are talking about the very emotional, raw reaction Woolie has been having to every thing that's "not right". Fiction critiscism =/= gut emotional reactions. They can be used as part of an essay or video critique, but those aren't the subject of discussion in the video or comments. Eveything Woolie is talking about is surface level gut reactions and he makes videos about it because he wants feedback, I assume. In one way or another.
@@Valtieldan @dovalle I think pointing out small details is a valid critique of a piece of media if it occurs frequently enough. Because at that point you're not just nitpicking, it's a reoccurring element of the overall work that doesn't work for you. The general reaction of the comments I'm seeing "Why are you pointing out things that are dumb, it's just a game" which I feel is nothing comment because at that point there is no point discussing anything.
I don’t think having a heart of gold means being incredibly punitive and throwing every perceived bad guy in jail. In fact I think it’s the opposite, where their sad backstory makes Kiryu more likely to forgive them
Its also helps that kiryu is a super badass who can fight dudes with guns , which is why he is like _"eh no harm done, don't worry for trying to kill me"_ because they never had a chance anyways lol
It's the old "Mercy vs Justice" paradigm and both Yakuza and Naruto are hard-locked to the Mercy part of that paradigm but Woolie's soul cries out for Justice
@@manticorephoenix That depends on whether or not we're talking "can kick your ass" or "would be dead in a ditch" levels of realness. Like how much of Kiryu are we imagining here for this IRL hypothetical
I think it's more of "This is fun BUT BOY IS IT STUPID." I think it's more Mind Goblins. Some people have an easier time just letting go of dumb shit cuz it's fiction, but then there are situations like this with Woolie where his brain goes "NO. THIS IS WRONG. WHO WOULD ALLOW THIS?" He can't stop his brain from doing it, it just happens.
Woolie is a normie. Normies are incapable of separating fiction and reality, as he's shown. Normies enjoy things from a mostly aesthetic, surface level and trend based perspective with next to zero actual personal investment, as he's shown with many things. Normies almost always have a compulsion to apply their own worldview onto everything, even when its inappropriate, nonsensical, etc. and can not handle when their worldview is contested, rejected, not applicable, etc... As he's shown. This also applies to his obsession with Japan in general. He cares about his personal fantasy of HIS Japan and nothing more. Should be pretty obvious by now. PAT of all people having to explain to someone that Yakuza is just a fun, silly, not real story is mindboggling.
The comparison of the sidestories to gag manga is surprisingly apt (down to the occasional sad episodes). Also, while I don't think things will get bad enough for Woolie to decide to drop the series, I feel he's going to have a ROUGH time with these games if he's unable to separate fiction from reality. Not to reopen any wounds, but compare his reaction to that scene in the dominatrix sidequest to the guys' reaction in the old LP.
Yeah Wollie claims that he knows how to separate fiction from reality but that it's okay to still get really, truly mad at it...which is kinda the opposite of separating from it. Like i get thinking that the characters do stupid things (and they DO, a LOT) but hearing him get so genuinely angry at the dominatrix, burusera, and cop substories (especially when he sees the cop later) is pretty cocncerning. Hopefully he'll learn to deal or get over it and it won't hinder his enjoyment of the series because there's a lot about it he'd totally love otherwise.
This is why Gintama is such a good comparison to Yakuza (and why an RGG Gintama game would be perfect). Because it does all the same things, albeit on a more comedic side. When things get serious, they get serious and Gintoki and friends will beatdown the villain. When it's comedy arc/episode, they will do the most brutal stuff to each other like Gintoki getting an actual sword up his butt or Okita trapping them in a Saw-like situation, but at the end of the day, it's fine, it's gag, we all cool by the end.
Tbh, if Woolie is gonna get this butthurt over what's clearly a gag scenario, that literally end on a After School Special-esque song, cause it doesn't follow his own view of morality, he should prob stop playing Yakuza after 0 cause it doesn't get much better than this.
I kind of want him to so people can continue to tell him how dumb he's being about it and since it's kind of entertaining to hear him get so baby rage mad over it.
@@14112ido Let's be fair, even in universe everyone thinks the logic of "revenge no matter what never forgive literally ever" of the Jingweon is seen as insanity by the other characters too. If anything you would hope that would smack some sense into Woolie with "this is where black and white morality gets you" because it consumed the lives of the Koreans.
Oh god unless Woolie can accept this logic yakuza gonna break him upon its enternal shores....just pretend its the plot to Always Sunny episodes you know they're morally wrong!
Wait until he gets to the " This if for blank!" moment at the final boss. Yeah he was a sex slaver but he really just wanted to stand beside his boss so he gets a pass.
@@theangriestpigeon4403 That's not even the best part, the best part is what Hana does to get Akiyama in the end. Matt and Pat played it off nicely with jokes, but Woolie will probably stop for 5 minutes about how what Hana did is messed up and Japan was a mistake.
Ever notice how a lot of Japanese media points out a high conviction rate is kinda lame, and subsequently tries not to send every misdemeanor to a trial? Feels like there’s a connection there.
TLDR, Woolie needs to lighten up. Talking about fiction isn't wrong at all, but when you get to the degree if " I can't believe I'm helping this dominatrix in the local park in this funny sidequest" you gotta take a step back and stop taking thing so literally and personally.
Behold one of the rare instances where Pat is shown to be the sane one in the conversation by needing to point out that Yakuza characters are, in fact, fictional, to Woolie. jfc
How about the side quest in Like a Dragon where a couple of people plan to cripple a small child because her begging is encroaching on their begging money, and these people end up being redeemed ten minutes later. An ass-whooping from a Yakuza protagonist may as well be a divine purging of sin from Jesus himself
While I respect and acknowledge woolie acknowledging that people will roll their eyes at his interpretation of his Y0 playthrough I am glad that Pat is here to give his side, i've dropped watching the Y0 playthrough because its so distracting from the enjoyment of the series that Woolie gets upset at things that are incredibly prominent throughout it all. I check in sometimes but its a lot of the same thing and I would much rather watch someone else play it who can acknowledge the zany aspect as just zany antics, laugh at how wild it is no matter how dark, solve it with their fists and then continue on and separate it from the rest of the main story.
I only have watched the moments where Woolie fails at the rhythm game and his only defense is “I’ll be better if I get some practice in.” And then proceeds to show he’ll still basically fail when he makes multiple attempts
My least fav part of the whole LP so far is when they started doing goofy music WHEN MAJIMA WAS STARING INTO A KNIFE THAT HE MIGHT KILL MAKOTO MAKIMURA WITH BEFORE THE CHAPTER CUTS AWAY. Like can you PLEASE take this story seriously for one second? And the other main problem is continually pointing out the difference in tone between side content and main story as if that is a joke in of itself and as if like he hasn't watched a billion anime either, which is partly differientiated from western media by wild tone shifts.
The gameplay is fake to the story in yakuza. Saejima can literally crush someone's skull under his boot one minute then be really sad about those 18 guys he shot a minute later.
Reminder that you can literally grab a knife, stab someone in the gut, and eviscerate them..... and they literally get up not even a sec after. Gameplay means shit in the world of yakuza, so him getting this butthurt is just..... weird and kinda pathetic.
@@LedDiire On the other hand, people area allowed an opinion and it's a valid criticism. I love Yakuza anyway, fuck it make your own decisions, but the story beats were getting ridiculous until Like A Dragon lmao
@@spartan963300 Well, I would argue a slight counterpoint in Like a Dragon anyway. Cause like nearly halfway in, Ichi criticizes a guy for pulling a gun on him when they "don't have any weapons" (despite him in STORY pulling a legendary bat from the ground like it's fucking Excalibur)...and then not only do you later get a party member who's main class involves pulling out dual pistols and RAPIDLY GUNNING A DUDE DOWN but the FEMALES even get a class where they whip out a fuckin' MACHINE GUN like it's the one chick from Lupin the 3rd. Like a Dragon isn't perfect at this either...but despite having Ichiban being around, it does seem far more reeled back than this one sidequest in Zero, I'll be frank.
Woolie, you’re gonna have to deal with SIX GAMES worth of Shonen morality in this series. You better get used to it. Man, this is gonna be a fun series going forward!
I think it's misguided to say these games are all written and directed by the same person, pushing their ideals on the audience. Sidestories for example, have their own writters separate from main story. And different games have different contributions in different ammounts even if some of the key people are always there. Directors also changed. I think people are too obsessed with "what is the moral of the story" and "that's what the director thinks" when while you can see lots of morality plays in it, that second one is defintely harder to gauge. Not everything is preaching when trying to do cheap, soap opera drama (which is what Yakuza is, a crime drama exploitation flick). It's a narrow minded way of seeing media that confuses me still. Like, EVERYTHING is preaching. Every single, tiny aspect is perceived as preaching. It's like taking the "everything is political" too far, and shows why people scream and want to cancel things so much. It comes this close to accusing the people involved of being criminals themselves not in a jokey way, but for real. It doesn't sit well with me. There's also the "if the villain survives or goes away, you're condoning his actions" mentality that must be a cultural thing I don't get, and it worries me a bit. Haha.
God, someone gets it. Any peice of media, especially one penned and made by so many hands, isn't a direct reflection of the author or director's morals in real life. Sometimes shit just happens because it makes sense with what the characters would do, because it looks cool, or because it would make for good drama or comedy.
Thank you. I don’t understand the whole “let’s see what Director Man thinks about this situation” bullshit. 90 percent of the side content is basically just comedy sketches..
I don't understand what's the need in looking at each individual piece of story and applying 100% real world logic to it when it clearly seems like the game itself doesn't do that. Like, the game doesn't present 96% of all sidequests as something serious, that one quest that Woolie talks about is so wacky and cheesy that it's kind of adorable. In fact I'd say that trying to apply real life morale justice system and be upset at those cases is saying much more about Woolie than about the game.
In the Kiryu substory, he does make the guy realize that stealing for his kid is wrong before the Twist is revealed. I'm not saying it's not goofy and silly, but it's probably supposed to be? There's weird stuff in the Yakuza series but the uncomfortable vibes are mostly in the actual story when they're around. Substories (aside from the occasional tearjerker) are absolutely meant to be taken with a cheesy grin, especially given how cheesy and melodramatic the sad music in 0 is. This is, granted, no funnier to laugh at than Pat's frustration and bewilderment whenever someone in Yakuza has honor. Self-proclaimed honorless scumbag doesn't get it????
Also he lets the guy off more so for the kids sake than anything. It's why he doesn't tell the kid his father stole the game and gives him a chance to be a better parent for the kid.
@@Rusty_Spy i always liked that substory for the goofy wild goose chase and the "i can't believe i was gonna make a kid suffer so mine can be happy". i just can't take it seriously cause it's such a dumb twist with a dumb sweet ending to it.
One of the best plot points in Yakuza is in 5, where it is canonically acknowledged that Kiryu can take on hundreds of men by himself. One of the only times I’ve seen what happens in “video game fight world” be acknowledged. Cause even when he fights a lot of dudes in cutscenes, it’s never as many as he fights in the actual fights.
And in 2 he gets two tigers thrown at him, and one that fight is over the guy who sent them is pretty much crapping his pants at the fact that he just saw a man beat up two tigers.
Theres also the scene in Kiwanis where he jumps into the middle of a group of like 30 swordsmen and after the fight it shows them all knocked out as he walks away
Fitting since Pat's basically put the idea in Woolie's head that the ending is bad because the villains got "redeemed" (by reading the wikipedia article of course). They weren't redeemed until arguably the end of the epilogue season, but I won't bore you with the details. Edit: I feel it's only fair to point out I'm a salty little bitch and this was something that happened a fairly long time ago, I've just stopped taking Pat seriously because of it and other incidents.
What bothers me the most about this mindset that all media has a message is that the people who believe this shit the most are the same people that will just dismiss any message they disagree with as being bad as opposed to trying to put any effort into trying to understand where it's coming from because of the little details. Fiction isn't reality it doesn't owe you being real, and even if it did you probably wouldn't like it if it legitimately tried to make you think.
Yakuza in substory mode has a sense of innocence and naiivate to it. The idea that all people are worth helping out and everyone can have regrets for what they've done and be forgiven. It isn't realistic, but in a fictional video game setting its kind of nice how simple it is. Charming even. That's why its a wee bit disappointing that Woolie wants problems in the game to be as messy and complex to solve as in real life. I hate using the phrase "turn your brain off" and this isn't really about that. So instead I would say "Open your eyes to the beauty of how simple-minded everything is. What if the adult world actually ran on the same logic as a 6 year old? How nice." Everything plays out and wraps up predictibly, but the situations themselves are so wild and unpredictable that it still is fun and not boring. It also contrasts really well with the main story, which often shows the harsh reality of what the world of orginized crime can actually be like (when it doesn't have you fighting tigers with your fists or whatever)
The substories are semi-canon in that they have continuity across the games, but they are not related to the main story of any game. The substories are goofy, absurd, lowbrow humor; the main stories are earnest, melodramatic, crime drama. Yakuza is most fun when you can accept and enjoy both and just roll with the craziness.
SPOILER The end of the final boss rush has Ichiban forced into the Freelancer class, who just fights with his fists. The illusion wore off for that one fight at the top of the Millenium Tower.
Its not. He just sees the fights as weirdo JRPG land, everything else still falls in the realm of Yakuza-world is a weird place. The giant evil Roomba wasn't his imagination, neither was the ghost girl.
If Woolie likes the actor playing Awano, he should check out some of his movies. Especially Deadly Outlaw Rekka and Takashi Mike's Dead or Alive trilogy.
my yakuza head-canon is that all guns in gameplay are airsoft. even within the yakuza families, its probably super rare for anyone to have _real_ guns. they'd be reserved for the higher ups or for very special assignments, and you wouldnt just be walking around with them. IE, real guns in cutscene only. so the "gold shotgun" you get out of a miracle machine, or the pistol that some guy shoots you with, are only doing chip damage because its a pellet that hurts. not a bullet that kills.
Christ Woolie, take a step back and chill. You act like the minor side stories of a tonally complex foreign video game are personal attacks on your worldview.
@@thetruemanwithfalsenames yeah i agree, but woolie having seen naruto forgive and forget the horrible things a villain has done to allow them to turn over a new leaf and woolie is STILL surprised and angry about it the 10th time it happens. like, i don't agree with letting a genocide committing asshole go free without consequences too but woolie really does take it to another level with how offended he comes off lol
Coming back from the 3/23 podcast, and apparently Woolie and Pat have completely misconstrued the arguments against them, because the best way to dismiss your opposition is to pretend like there’s nothing of value being said by them
@@chrisgostanian6753 You're right. Also that guy selling "Golden Agu" (although the locals were the ones who called the police, not Kiryu). Yakuza 3 has just too many substories to be honest.
@@mechashadow well no, even in 1 and 2 the cops are against Date for mingling with the ex-criminal. There are some in the force that respect him, albeit they're counted on one hand, but the rest sees Kiryu as a bad guy.
It's like with Pokemon. Dudes in Battle just get knocked out. It's fine. A Level 100 Gyarados using Hyper Beam / Hydro Pump on a Level 3 Caterpie? The fucker's just gonna get knocked out. It's fiiine. ...next Nuzlocke, I'm naming my characters after Yakuza characters. Kiryu the Charmander.
9:30 so this is pretty much the reason I very much disliked Parasite upon first viewing, but understood it waaaay better after being explained that it isn’t even meant to work under real world rules, its more this thing Pat’s saying. Fits really well with yakuza’s side missions logic too!
16:40 Most western Mahjong sets have normal ass numbers on the tiles and N S W E for the winds so you know which ones which. Eyeballing them is a chore, especially with the Character Suit. My personal hang up is remembering all the wierd hands and knowing when to go for them, or merely to complete my hand quickly.
I've always had a theory that kiryu wasn't human. Zero evidence obviously but the in universe feats he accomplishes and his weird abstract morality is more in line with a deity or myth talking a walk on earth.
@@perpetuallyonfire7768 The thing about that is that the Yakuza world takes their tattoos very seriously. Your tattoo represents you. You represent your tattoo. There's a plot point in 2 where a tattoo artist feels responsible for something horrible happening because he gave someone a certain tattoo.
man after all this effort of woolie avoiding hilariously bad yakuza spoilers for fear they might not be hilariously bad and ignoring people telling him to just jump into yakuza 7 hes just gonna do that anyway, what an amazing series of events
@@Loffeleif I'd even say the main cast is better especially Saeko. The main problem is how much of is Japanese and undubbed all around and immersion breaking. Like Even Judgement was not this bad despite undubbed NPCs.
Nah, I like the Japanese cast tbh. Kazuhiro Nakaya kills it as Ichiban and it sucks he's not getting enough praise for it. I don't have any qualms with the dub but after 6 or so games of not having it, I love the characters. Doesn't really help that the games like to cast a lot of the characters as their actual models so they're the one actually dubbing their own modeled character like Arakawa or Takeshi Kitano or Kuze. Can you imagine the Dojima lieutenants in English and not in the gruff Yakuza-esque voice, Awano, Shibusawa and Kuze gave their actual likeness? Nah, can't be me.
Well, Nishki is a colossal piece of shit in 1 who also causes a lot of the problems in 2 and 3 through the ideals he passes down to his men. Pretty understandable to hate such a shitbag.
“The sake tastes bad because you’re here” but it’s sake man, it’s not getting much better *years later I have learned people drink sake both hot and cold. What the fuck.
I heard somewhere that the reason for heat moves and the no-killing thing is that the only thing that is canon are story beats and cutscenes, that gameplay fights are for gameplay purposes only and what takes place in them is not canon. That's why in Kiwami you fight off ten guys but when its shown on T.V it's completely different to how you actually fought them.
It got too much for me with the heat moves with the pavement face scrape in 5 which made my skin crawl everytime I accidentally used it. And then in Infinite Wealth I made Adachi a chef and *both* of his rainbow moves are invoking that move. One involves a massive grater 😳
idk why Pat thinks his point is controversial re:world logic. It's very obvious that Yakuza functions off of Crime Drama Logic and not real world logic.
The thing about Mahjong is bang on. They DO fix it in 6 and K2 onward, but until then it's "hope you know how to speak the language you filthy gaijin FUCK." This is also one of the things they did to fix it in FF14 when they put it in the Gold Saucer. Because bamboo and dots are fine, you can just count them, but the character set and winds are BULLSHIT and it seems like people finally understand that.
I think Yakuza 7 is the worst offender in this case since the soapland dirtbag isn't relegated to a side story but instead is a crucial plot moment with the team going "Oh my god, he had such a heart of gold, that dude who forced girls into his whorehouse and literally hired us to spy on a girl that didn't show up just so that we could drag her back to work sooner". Felt a MASSIVE disconnect with the characters during that arc to the point where I found it tedious to progress further.
Last night I beat a substory in 0 where a man smuggling foreign women into Kamurocho proposes to one of the women he brought into japan for "sexy work" AFTER HE STEALS HER FUCKING PASSPORT AND THREATENS HER WITH DEPORTATION. And she SAYS YES AND CELEBRATES THE BETROTHAL WITH KIRYU OVER PIZZA. Fuck that noise.
I kinda wanna see Woolie's reaction to She-Ra where multiple characters are excused of literal war crimes scott free and their only way of addressing it is one single character bringing up that it's weird and it's treated as a joke.
Man, She-Ra's tone was all over the place To the point where I can't help but view it through the lens of "a cartoon adaptation of the story a particularly bright 7-year-old girl thought up while playing with her dolls" - which, don't get me wrong, is appropriate given the source material!
Catra alone being treated well by the cast when she caused Glimmer's mother to DIE is fucking bizarre. People criticize Steven Universe for things like this that it's not even guilty of (the Diamonds actually worked on fixing the issues they caused for example whereas Hordak didn't do shit after the fight was over) but She-Ra is on another level with moral sketchiness.
@@HellfireComms Catra's the only case where I feel like it works. Since she had a whole season of nobody trusting her and her trying to do the right thing. She has an entire arc of redemption. Shadow Weaver we're supposed to like after one scene because she dies. Hordak they excuse with a joke. Glimmer's numerous warcrimes are ignored cuz she's on the right side.
@@badwrongfun5541 I dunno if we're supposed to like Shadow Weaver per se, but she gets a badass way to go out and never apologizes for anything she'd done so there's that.
I wonder if the people having a war in the comment section were also the same that were laughing at Naruto for letting Actual Ninja Mengele get away with it.
Does woolie not remember that at this point in the story, kiyru is a suspect for murder and probably cant just waltz someone down to the local police precinct
Was he a suspect though?The cop sub story shows that no authority was really looking for him outside the tojo,and the lieutenants made it clear that kiryu would BECOME the fall guy.
Probably yes but given that in my game Kiryu Stood around theater street for about 2 hours for a date while the Dojima Family was actively trying to fucking kill him in the loudest suit on God's green earth, I feel like there's some room for logic to bend.
@@bearandthebull2372 the cop story where the dude wouldn't even arrest some attempted rapists? I wouldn't be surprised if he was left out of the loop. And yes kiryu was a suspect. Tachibana mentions at some point that he was using his influence to put a hold on the police launching a full manhunt
Even if this is a good excuse for Kiyru, Majima could turn people in just fine since he is the well respected Lord of the Night.
@@ethanstapleton5754 He'd still have unnessecary bodies on his hands which probably wouldn't sit well with the other higher ups who are responsible for him. Sleazy whats-his-name wants him to kill a specific person, not complicate things by dropping people left and right.
Backstory feels less like “forgive him” and more just to show how this guy is trying to achieve his goal in the wrong way.
The whole point of that Arakure Quest substory is about how absurd and ridiculous the situation is over a video game. The sappy happy end was the cherry on top. Like that's the joke. At no point does the game actually condone the craziness.
"B-but theme of sad plays so they approve of it!"
@@sagedariel5731 im going to go ahead and assume this is something no one should click. unless they like viruses, broken computers, having their identity stolen, or some variation and/or combination of such.
Substories operate on an entirely separate plane of existence/reality as far as I’m concerned lol
They also have different writers than the main scenario too iirc.
@@tigerfestivals5137 yup
The Astral Plane of organised crime
Substory Kiryu is the real Kiryu.
So we got the substory reality and the business reality not counting the main story reality...
Woolie "why doesn't this high ranking gang member be more active with the police" Madden
Its weird that they see "letting them go" or "letting them live" and count it as "redemption".
Most, if not, all of the Yakuza villains were never redeemed, they just pay for the price of their actions. The game trying to make them sympathetic by giving them a sad backstory does not equal to the hero forgiving them.
Case in point, in Yakuza 7.
The big bad isn't going to get away with it, Ichiban pleads the big bad to turn themselves in, they still have to do the time for their crimes.
The villains of Yakuza games never really get away with any of it, they either end up dead or in jail to be written off.
It seems like Woolie sees anything less than death as "redemption". Or he just ignores that the villains get punished, or thinks that backstory = redemption like you said.
@@tigerfestivals5137 Actually that even happens twice in the same game.
@@tigerfestivals5137 I think it's more about the story acknowledging that what the characters are doing is wrong and that the backstory doesn't justify it. Which might seem obvious, but I can see how Woolie might think it's being swept under the rug.
yeah, woolz (and a lot of other people) seen to not understand that there's a difference between redemption and giving a backstory and context to the awful things that people do. also, kiryu is not the type of person that is going to straight up murder someone only because the person is a piece of shit.
At this point, I'm just wondering how Woolie enjoys any Japanese media (or fiction in general) at all.
Guess this why he likes fighting games so much.
Is Woolie questioning "but why don't they use a Phoenix Down on Aerith?" again?
The Yakuza series puts a lot of emphasis on their back tattoos other than looking cool, they mean something for each character that wears them.
Kiryu's tattoo is the Azure Dragon which symbolizes strength and wisdom, "setting the future generation on the right path" [Man, Kiryu sure likes helping people in need every game huh?]
Yeah he does have a heart of gold and tries to see the good in everyone, he's the embodiment of that tattoo; he wants to set you on the right path no matter what.
Yeah, it is a 'laughable view of redemption' and cheesy as fuck but I still like it.
His unrealistic idealism is kind of what puts him at odds with the Yakuza in each game anyway. Like he seems to think of Yakuza like Luffy thinks of pirates, meanwhile all of the actual Yakuza are doing the real Yakuza cuthroat shit and Kiru ain't having none of it.
Which is why Like a Dragon is much better and very appropriate title for the series, not Yakuza.
It sets a different kind of expectation and impression when people hear the word "Yakuza" and it's not what first timers expected it to be.
Glad that they finally able to put "Like a Dragon" on the title with Ichiban's game.
Silver dragon
@Morcego cinzento Sometimes they don't even ask, he just shows up and helps anyway.
The gun is just a weapon. No different from you pulling out a bowling ball and caving in someone's shin.
Pat spends a sold amount of time explaining to Woolie that fictional characters in Yakuza are not real.
Holy shit.
Wild
Is it suddenly abnormal to critique fiction?
@@malikbeat No. But Woolie hasn't done any actual criticism piece for people to talk about. They are talking about the very emotional, raw reaction Woolie has been having to every thing that's "not right". Fiction critiscism =/= gut emotional reactions. They can be used as part of an essay or video critique, but those aren't the subject of discussion in the video or comments. Eveything Woolie is talking about is surface level gut reactions and he makes videos about it because he wants feedback, I assume. In one way or another.
@@Valtieldan @dovalle I think pointing out small details is a valid critique of a piece of media if it occurs frequently enough. Because at that point you're not just nitpicking, it's a reoccurring element of the overall work that doesn't work for you. The general reaction of the comments I'm seeing "Why are you pointing out things that are dumb, it's just a game" which I feel is nothing comment because at that point there is no point discussing anything.
@@malikbeat You're doing what Woolie is doing.
I don’t think having a heart of gold means being incredibly punitive and throwing every perceived bad guy in jail. In fact I think it’s the opposite, where their sad backstory makes Kiryu more likely to forgive them
Its also helps that kiryu is a super badass who can fight dudes with guns , which is why he is like _"eh no harm done, don't worry for trying to kill me"_ because they never had a chance anyways lol
It's the old "Mercy vs Justice" paradigm and both Yakuza and Naruto are hard-locked to the Mercy part of that paradigm but Woolie's soul cries out for Justice
In real life you’d just call someone like Kiryu a pussy because of that
@@manticorephoenix That depends on whether or not we're talking "can kick your ass" or "would be dead in a ditch" levels of realness. Like how much of Kiryu are we imagining here for this IRL hypothetical
At this stage, I'm just wondering how Woolie enjoys any japanese media.
At this stage I'm wondering how he enjoys any fiction at all.
I think it's more of "This is fun BUT BOY IS IT STUPID."
I think it's more Mind Goblins. Some people have an easier time just letting go of dumb shit cuz it's fiction, but then there are situations like this with Woolie where his brain goes "NO. THIS IS WRONG. WHO WOULD ALLOW THIS?" He can't stop his brain from doing it, it just happens.
@@wilnich592 Guess he doesn't. Probably the reason why fighting games are his favorite genre.
Woolie is a normie. Normies are incapable of separating fiction and reality, as he's shown. Normies enjoy things from a mostly aesthetic, surface level and trend based perspective with next to zero actual personal investment, as he's shown with many things. Normies almost always have a compulsion to apply their own worldview onto everything, even when its inappropriate, nonsensical, etc. and can not handle when their worldview is contested, rejected, not applicable, etc... As he's shown. This also applies to his obsession with Japan in general. He cares about his personal fantasy of HIS Japan and nothing more. Should be pretty obvious by now. PAT of all people having to explain to someone that Yakuza is just a fun, silly, not real story is mindboggling.
@@largetea8475 Woolie is gonna have to deal with SEVEN GAMES worth of Shonen morality in this series.
He better get used to it.
I don't know why Woolie thinks the heart of gold only extends to the civilians and not to the people who basically have the same life as him.
Selective bias of "The game should do it how I think it should do it"
I can only be sympathetic towards people I like. Everyone else *must* die by my hand for any reason I deem appropriate. That's how sympathy works.
Confirmed Woolie would be a Lawful Stupid Paladin in DnD.
The comparison of the sidestories to gag manga is surprisingly apt (down to the occasional sad episodes).
Also, while I don't think things will get bad enough for Woolie to decide to drop the series, I feel he's going to have a ROUGH time with these games if he's unable to separate fiction from reality. Not to reopen any wounds, but compare his reaction to that scene in the dominatrix sidequest to the guys' reaction in the old LP.
Also, more recently his opinions on Akudama Drive.
Yeah Wollie claims that he knows how to separate fiction from reality but that it's okay to still get really, truly mad at it...which is kinda the opposite of separating from it. Like i get thinking that the characters do stupid things (and they DO, a LOT) but hearing him get so genuinely angry at the dominatrix, burusera, and cop substories (especially when he sees the cop later) is pretty cocncerning. Hopefully he'll learn to deal or get over it and it won't hinder his enjoyment of the series because there's a lot about it he'd totally love otherwise.
guys? Best Friends?
This is why Gintama is such a good comparison to Yakuza (and why an RGG Gintama game would be perfect).
Because it does all the same things, albeit on a more comedic side.
When things get serious, they get serious and Gintoki and friends will beatdown the villain. When it's comedy arc/episode, they will do the most brutal stuff to each other like Gintoki getting an actual sword up his butt or Okita trapping them in a Saw-like situation, but at the end of the day, it's fine, it's gag, we all cool by the end.
@@SteelBallRun1890 With Yakuza 7/Like a Dragon tone, they could easily make Gintama game.
Tbh, if Woolie is gonna get this butthurt over what's clearly a gag scenario, that literally end on a After School Special-esque song, cause it doesn't follow his own view of morality, he should prob stop playing Yakuza after 0 cause it doesn't get much better than this.
Tbf this issue pretty much peaked at oda.
And oh boy does it get worse. Kiwami and Kiwami 2 will give him aneurysm.
I kind of want him to so people can continue to tell him how dumb he's being about it and since it's kind of entertaining to hear him get so baby rage mad over it.
@@14112ido Let's be fair, even in universe everyone thinks the logic of "revenge no matter what never forgive literally ever" of the Jingweon is seen as insanity by the other characters too. If anything you would hope that would smack some sense into Woolie with "this is where black and white morality gets you" because it consumed the lives of the Koreans.
Oh god unless Woolie can accept this logic yakuza gonna break him upon its enternal shores....just pretend its the plot to Always Sunny episodes you know they're morally wrong!
Woolie's gonna get so mad when he plays the other games. A guy pulling a gun on you for a videogame is merely the tip of this iceberg.
I'm sure he will enjoy the resolving of the Pizza substory from this game.
Woolie after playing ten minutes of Yakuza 4, "Wow! Akiyama is the biggest scumbag ever, and his secretary should leave him."
Wait until he gets to the " This if for blank!" moment at the final boss. Yeah he was a sex slaver but he really just wanted to stand beside his boss so he gets a pass.
@@franzhopper7631 bur your brother oda tho
@@theangriestpigeon4403 That's not even the best part, the best part is what Hana does to get Akiyama in the end. Matt and Pat played it off nicely with jokes, but Woolie will probably stop for 5 minutes about how what Hana did is messed up and Japan was a mistake.
Ever notice how a lot of Japanese media points out a high conviction rate is kinda lame, and subsequently tries not to send every misdemeanor to a trial? Feels like there’s a connection there.
Phoenix Kiryu: Ace Yakuza
Oh you mean Judgement? Because that's a game you know.
Better than sending every misdemeanor to trial and converting it into a jail sentence like it happens everywhere else.
TLDR, Woolie needs to lighten up. Talking about fiction isn't wrong at all, but when you get to the degree if " I can't believe I'm helping this dominatrix in the local park in this funny sidequest" you gotta take a step back and stop taking thing so literally and personally.
"You guys just don't care about games if you say that!"
Hmm, will this be the usual “NO FUN IN MY DOJO” Woolie rant, or “But think of the children!” Woolie rant.
Why not both?
Naaah, more like Woolie's "he was the coolest guy" PTSD flashback segment
Remember when Woolie first learned about the purpose of the Halo array and thought "That's stupid why would you just kill everything"
Behold one of the rare instances where Pat is shown to be the sane one in the conversation by needing to point out that Yakuza characters are, in fact, fictional, to Woolie.
jfc
Methinks the Woolie doth protest too much. It's not like any pies were stolen.
To say Kiryiu has a heart of gold is an understatement.
Kiryu's heart is Perfect Platinum, always.
How about the side quest in Like a Dragon where a couple of people plan to cripple a small child because her begging is encroaching on their begging money, and these people end up being redeemed ten minutes later.
An ass-whooping from a Yakuza protagonist may as well be a divine purging of sin from Jesus himself
While I respect and acknowledge woolie acknowledging that people will roll their eyes at his interpretation of his Y0 playthrough
I am glad that Pat is here to give his side, i've dropped watching the Y0 playthrough because its so distracting from the enjoyment of the series that Woolie gets upset at things that are incredibly prominent throughout it all. I check in sometimes but its a lot of the same thing and I would much rather watch someone else play it who can acknowledge the zany aspect as just zany antics, laugh at how wild it is no matter how dark, solve it with their fists and then continue on and separate it from the rest of the main story.
I only have watched the moments where Woolie fails at the rhythm game and his only defense is “I’ll be better if I get some practice in.” And then proceeds to show he’ll still basically fail when he makes multiple attempts
You should check out Ray Narveaz Jr
My least fav part of the whole LP so far is when they started doing goofy music WHEN MAJIMA WAS STARING INTO A KNIFE THAT HE MIGHT KILL MAKOTO MAKIMURA WITH BEFORE THE CHAPTER CUTS AWAY.
Like can you PLEASE take this story seriously for one second? And the other main problem is continually pointing out the difference in tone between side content and main story as if that is a joke in of itself and as if like he hasn't watched a billion anime either, which is partly differientiated from western media by wild tone shifts.
The gameplay is fake to the story in yakuza. Saejima can literally crush someone's skull under his boot one minute then be really sad about those 18 guys he shot a minute later.
Reminder that you can literally grab a knife, stab someone in the gut, and eviscerate them..... and they literally get up not even a sec after.
Gameplay means shit in the world of yakuza, so him getting this butthurt is just..... weird and kinda pathetic.
@@LedDiire On the other hand, people area allowed an opinion and it's a valid criticism. I love Yakuza anyway, fuck it make your own decisions, but the story beats were getting ridiculous until Like A Dragon lmao
@@spartan963300 Well, I would argue a slight counterpoint in Like a Dragon anyway. Cause like nearly halfway in, Ichi criticizes a guy for pulling a gun on him when they "don't have any weapons" (despite him in STORY pulling a legendary bat from the ground like it's fucking Excalibur)...and then not only do you later get a party member who's main class involves pulling out dual pistols and RAPIDLY GUNNING A DUDE DOWN but the FEMALES even get a class where they whip out a fuckin' MACHINE GUN like it's the one chick from Lupin the 3rd.
Like a Dragon isn't perfect at this either...but despite having Ichiban being around, it does seem far more reeled back than this one sidequest in Zero, I'll be frank.
@@UltimaKeyMaster you sure the guns weren't all just in Ichi's head?
@@randominternetsurfersurfin7595 The legendary excalibur part definitlet was at least.
Woolie takes games literally and personally. I think he's going to hate Yakuza
Which sucks cause all of us were hoping this would be the best for him.
woolie is 100% right
I don't know, there's this one bit in Yakuza 3 I just got to that might make him love it seeing as he gets really hype about racism.
He’s been loving it so far
I wonder how he would respond to the SaejimaxHaruka scene in Yakuza 4.
Yes Woolie. When people get shot in a Yakuza cutscene, they DEFINITELY get shot.
Oh god he would flip if he ever makes it to Yakuza 4 with the rubber bullets
Remember that time Kiryu got stabbed in a cutscene and he was actually debilitated for several hours?
@@LovinTheSickBeat I mean...they were technically still shot
Woolie, you’re gonna have to deal with SIX GAMES worth of Shonen morality in this series.
You better get used to it. Man, this is gonna be a fun series going forward!
I think it's misguided to say these games are all written and directed by the same person, pushing their ideals on the audience. Sidestories for example, have their own writters separate from main story. And different games have different contributions in different ammounts even if some of the key people are always there. Directors also changed.
I think people are too obsessed with "what is the moral of the story" and "that's what the director thinks" when while you can see lots of morality plays in it, that second one is defintely harder to gauge. Not everything is preaching when trying to do cheap, soap opera drama (which is what Yakuza is, a crime drama exploitation flick). It's a narrow minded way of seeing media that confuses me still. Like, EVERYTHING is preaching. Every single, tiny aspect is perceived as preaching. It's like taking the "everything is political" too far, and shows why people scream and want to cancel things so much. It comes this close to accusing the people involved of being criminals themselves not in a jokey way, but for real. It doesn't sit well with me.
There's also the "if the villain survives or goes away, you're condoning his actions" mentality that must be a cultural thing I don't get, and it worries me a bit. Haha.
God, someone gets it. Any peice of media, especially one penned and made by so many hands, isn't a direct reflection of the author or director's morals in real life. Sometimes shit just happens because it makes sense with what the characters would do, because it looks cool, or because it would make for good drama or comedy.
Thank you. I don’t understand the whole “let’s see what Director Man thinks about this situation” bullshit. 90 percent of the side content is basically just comedy sketches..
I don't understand what's the need in looking at each individual piece of story and applying 100% real world logic to it when it clearly seems like the game itself doesn't do that.
Like, the game doesn't present 96% of all sidequests as something serious, that one quest that Woolie talks about is so wacky and cheesy that it's kind of adorable.
In fact I'd say that trying to apply real life morale justice system and be upset at those cases is saying much more about Woolie than about the game.
I’m hoping that how “realistic” it is might finally hit him when he goes bowling.
Him and Pat became the very people they made fun of years ago.
Wow, its one of those rare 'Woolie brainworms' episodes.
Brainworms Vs. Goblins: Match of the Millennium
You say that, but anyone who watched 13 Sentinels knows his brainworms very well by now.
Fair enough, I've been staying away from those videos because I feel like 13 Sentinels needs to be experienced blind.
@@jseeker1867 You're right, but if you ever watch it be prepared for MAXIMUM brainworms
Like, to a ridiculous degree
"Rare" he says. Hhhhehehhahahhahahahahaha.
It's the "he was the coolest guy" all over again.
As Joseph Joestar once said: "I'll never forgive the Japanese".
In that he is fundamentally misunderstanding the point and the logic of the scenes? Yeah, coolest guy all over again.
In the Kiryu substory, he does make the guy realize that stealing for his kid is wrong before the Twist is revealed. I'm not saying it's not goofy and silly, but it's probably supposed to be? There's weird stuff in the Yakuza series but the uncomfortable vibes are mostly in the actual story when they're around. Substories (aside from the occasional tearjerker) are absolutely meant to be taken with a cheesy grin, especially given how cheesy and melodramatic the sad music in 0 is.
This is, granted, no funnier to laugh at than Pat's frustration and bewilderment whenever someone in Yakuza has honor. Self-proclaimed honorless scumbag doesn't get it????
Also he lets the guy off more so for the kids sake than anything. It's why he doesn't tell the kid his father stole the game and gives him a chance to be a better parent for the kid.
@@Rusty_Spy i always liked that substory for the goofy wild goose chase and the "i can't believe i was gonna make a kid suffer so mine can be happy". i just can't take it seriously cause it's such a dumb twist with a dumb sweet ending to it.
One of the best plot points in Yakuza is in 5, where it is canonically acknowledged that Kiryu can take on hundreds of men by himself. One of the only times I’ve seen what happens in “video game fight world” be acknowledged. Cause even when he fights a lot of dudes in cutscenes, it’s never as many as he fights in the actual fights.
It's also kind of embarrassing to tell everyone that you and your very important crime friends got beat up by one guy.
It also happens in 4, where Munakata's plan is explicitly to throw as many dudes at Kiryu as possible so he'll be too tired to kick his ass
And in 2 he gets two tigers thrown at him, and one that fight is over the guy who sent them is pretty much crapping his pants at the fact that he just saw a man beat up two tigers.
Theres also the scene in Kiwanis where he jumps into the middle of a group of like 30 swordsmen and after the fight it shows them all knocked out as he walks away
Man, Woolie hates not taking everything in a piece of media as literally as possible and applying it to the real world one-to-one.
Gamers hate that games have politics and will 10000% ignore them at all times to the point of just saying the dumbest shit
Don't tell him that, he'll just say you're dumb and don't care about anything in the media you enjoy.
You know I never knew how SJW he was until now, he really did'nt seem like THAT guy.
Its really annoying at this point
it'll be interesting seeing how he reacts to the soapland owner in Yakuza 7
I swear, Woolz is getting dangerously close to sounding like those people that call Steven Universe "irredeemable media"
Fitting since Pat's basically put the idea in Woolie's head that the ending is bad because the villains got "redeemed" (by reading the wikipedia article of course). They weren't redeemed until arguably the end of the epilogue season, but I won't bore you with the details.
Edit:
I feel it's only fair to point out I'm a salty little bitch and this was something that happened a fairly long time ago, I've just stopped taking Pat seriously because of it and other incidents.
i like Steven Universe. i hate the songs. i want to give the green dorito headpats.
@@miguelnewmexico8641 All reasonable opinions. Peridot is best gem next to Amethyst.
God, I will never forget the After School Special music whenever a tender moment is happening. X'D
the fucking best.
Local man continues to yell into the void that (probably) does not speak English
Japanese fans watching this: Ohhhh shit, that's English! *looks at the camera*
Truly oda was the greatest hero in the Yakuza series, such honour
Friend of the podcast, Oda
What bothers me the most about this mindset that all media has a message is that the people who believe this shit the most are the same people that will just dismiss any message they disagree with as being bad as opposed to trying to put any effort into trying to understand where it's coming from because of the little details. Fiction isn't reality it doesn't owe you being real, and even if it did you probably wouldn't like it if it legitimately tried to make you think.
It's a game, why do they feel the need to overthink the logic in it? You beat a person up, they learn their lesson, thats it.
Yakuza in substory mode has a sense of innocence and naiivate to it. The idea that all people are worth helping out and everyone can have regrets for what they've done and be forgiven. It isn't realistic, but in a fictional video game setting its kind of nice how simple it is. Charming even.
That's why its a wee bit disappointing that Woolie wants problems in the game to be as messy and complex to solve as in real life. I hate using the phrase "turn your brain off" and this isn't really about that. So instead I would say "Open your eyes to the beauty of how simple-minded everything is. What if the adult world actually ran on the same logic as a 6 year old? How nice."
Everything plays out and wraps up predictibly, but the situations themselves are so wild and unpredictable that it still is fun and not boring.
It also contrasts really well with the main story, which often shows the harsh reality of what the world of orginized crime can actually be like (when it doesn't have you fighting tigers with your fists or whatever)
Anyways Pat saved the LP
Woolie is clearly turning into his mother
He's upset that the goofy comedy game is being a goofy comedy?
I think he just making fun of the dumb cliche.
@@dangkhoado7428 He's not making fun of it he's getting angry at it
@@dangkhoado7428 Matt and Pat were making fun of it. Woolie was angered by it.
The substories are semi-canon in that they have continuity across the games, but they are not related to the main story of any game. The substories are goofy, absurd, lowbrow humor; the main stories are earnest, melodramatic, crime drama. Yakuza is most fun when you can accept and enjoy both and just roll with the craziness.
They are 100% canon according to Nagoshi, or so i have been told. Other than that i fully agree with what have you said.
"LONG live pocket circuit" Don't laugh pat don't laugh keep it together
I mean in Yakuza 7/LaD, it's explicitly canon that pretty much everything that happens in gameplay is the protagonist hallucinating.
SPOILER
The end of the final boss rush has Ichiban forced into the Freelancer class, who just fights with his fists. The illusion wore off for that one fight at the top of the Millenium Tower.
Its not. He just sees the fights as weirdo JRPG land, everything else still falls in the realm of Yakuza-world is a weird place. The giant evil Roomba wasn't his imagination, neither was the ghost girl.
The redemption thingy is why yakuza 3 has a cool ending
If Woolie likes the actor playing Awano, he should check out some of his movies. Especially Deadly Outlaw Rekka and Takashi Mike's Dead or Alive trilogy.
At what point does Woolie just admit he doesn’t agree with the Japanese?
His weeb side is too strong for that
He'll never forgive the Japanese!
"NO THAT WAS JUST NARUTO AND KISHIMOTO THOUGH" The Voice of Woolie's denial struggling in vain to hold back the revelation
Woolie it's a video game, that simple
realistically speaking anybody CAN turn it around
however the real question is whether they're worth the risk and resources
my yakuza head-canon is that all guns in gameplay are airsoft. even within the yakuza families, its probably super rare for anyone to have _real_ guns. they'd be reserved for the higher ups or for very special assignments, and you wouldnt just be walking around with them. IE, real guns in cutscene only.
so the "gold shotgun" you get out of a miracle machine, or the pistol that some guy shoots you with, are only doing chip damage because its a pellet that hurts. not a bullet that kills.
That... actually makes sense.
Christ Woolie, take a step back and chill. You act like the minor side stories of a tonally complex foreign video game are personal attacks on your worldview.
have you seen him watch naruto?
@@thetruemanwithfalsenames yeah i agree, but woolie having seen naruto forgive and forget the horrible things a villain has done to allow them to turn over a new leaf and woolie is STILL surprised and angry about it the 10th time it happens. like, i don't agree with letting a genocide committing asshole go free without consequences too but woolie really does take it to another level with how offended he comes off lol
The more people see Woolie for being a fucking overreacting Tumblrite the better.
Woolie Madden, Second of His Name, Bearer of the Persecution Complex.
Coming back from the 3/23 podcast, and apparently Woolie and Pat have completely misconstrued the arguments against them, because the best way to dismiss your opposition is to pretend like there’s nothing of value being said by them
Woolie is really gonna hate it when the street thugs in later games use guns more often.
I believe there are only two times in which the criminals are sent to jail:
-Tanimura's "Car Thieves" substory.
-Shinada's "Want to Party?" substory.
To be fair, yagami in judgement calle the police on all the criminals in his substories
Makes sense; I get the impression that Judgment is "what if Tanimura was the only protagonist and wasn't a parasite".
There's also that guy that pissed in the river in 7.
The human traffickers in 3 also get jail.
@@chrisgostanian6753 You're right. Also that guy selling "Golden Agu" (although the locals were the ones who called the police, not Kiryu).
Yakuza 3 has just too many substories to be honest.
This videogame tried to take my life.
Kiryu is not a cop.
But the cops sure rely on him.
@@mechashadow well no, even in 1 and 2 the cops are against Date for mingling with the ex-criminal. There are some in the force that respect him, albeit they're counted on one hand, but the rest sees Kiryu as a bad guy.
@@SteelBallRun1890 There are a couple in 2 who mingle.
Correct, he's a vigilante who uses his over version of Yakuza Justice/Honor.
Pat IS right. Woolie is gonna LOVE Awano.
You sure he won’t find him problematic too, pal?
@@mechashadow sarcasm, my dude
It's like with Pokemon. Dudes in Battle just get knocked out. It's fine. A Level 100 Gyarados using Hyper Beam / Hydro Pump on a Level 3 Caterpie? The fucker's just gonna get knocked out. It's fiiine.
...next Nuzlocke, I'm naming my characters after Yakuza characters. Kiryu the Charmander.
This is clever because Charmander is more than capable of doing heat moves
Don't forget about Nishiki the Magikarp, make sure to never evolve him no matter what.
I’ve played almost every substory leading up to my current Yakuza 6 run, and I’ve only seen Kiryu make sure someone hit arrested twice.
9:30 so this is pretty much the reason I very much disliked Parasite upon first viewing, but understood it waaaay better after being explained that it isn’t even meant to work under real world rules, its more this thing Pat’s saying. Fits really well with yakuza’s side missions logic too!
So where do you guys live? I'm watching this from London-cho
London-sai rolls off better. Mancheste-kai and such.
16:40 Most western Mahjong sets have normal ass numbers on the tiles and N S W E for the winds so you know which ones which. Eyeballing them is a chore, especially with the Character Suit. My personal hang up is remembering all the wierd hands and knowing when to go for them, or merely to complete my hand quickly.
I've always had a theory that kiryu wasn't human. Zero evidence obviously but the in universe feats he accomplishes and his weird abstract morality is more in line with a deity or myth talking a walk on earth.
Just like his tattoo you mean?
@@soliduswasright678 pretty much.
@@perpetuallyonfire7768 The thing about that is that the Yakuza world takes their tattoos very seriously. Your tattoo represents you. You represent your tattoo. There's a plot point in 2 where a tattoo artist feels responsible for something horrible happening because he gave someone a certain tattoo.
@@Raiden777ify So your saying he's dragon in human form?
Woolie "i don't like moral of shoot gun for game is good" Madden
does Woolie don't get the joke of that Sub story?
Woolie and comedy don’t mix well.
Woolie would hate Beastars because the story's lore is treated in the same way these gag stories are.
man after all this effort of woolie avoiding hilariously bad yakuza spoilers for fear they might not be hilariously bad and ignoring people telling him to just jump into yakuza 7 hes just gonna do that anyway, what an amazing series of events
Ah yes, the "he was the coolest guy" PTSD segment
The Yakuza 7 dub is pretty damn good just sayin
It really is, but I’m too used to the Japanese voices at this point and Nakaya kills it as Ichiban
I'd say it's better than the Japanese version actually.
@@Loffeleif It comes down to a matter of personal preference. At the very least it’s good that both dubs are good in their own right
@@Loffeleif I'd even say the main cast is better especially Saeko.
The main problem is how much of is Japanese and undubbed all around and immersion breaking.
Like Even Judgement was not this bad despite undubbed NPCs.
Nah, I like the Japanese cast tbh. Kazuhiro Nakaya kills it as Ichiban and it sucks he's not getting enough praise for it.
I don't have any qualms with the dub but after 6 or so games of not having it, I love the characters. Doesn't really help that the games like to cast a lot of the characters as their actual models so they're the one actually dubbing their own modeled character like Arakawa or Takeshi Kitano or Kuze.
Can you imagine the Dojima lieutenants in English and not in the gruff Yakuza-esque voice, Awano, Shibusawa and Kuze gave their actual likeness? Nah, can't be me.
Yeah some substories end in just absurd ways. Like one in 0 literally ends with "haha that guys a human trafficker, lets literally do nothing"
Kihryu who dodges 2 rocket launchers in an ingame cinimatic only to be shot in the next one by a pistol
man, Woolie is gonna hate Nishikiyama in the next game
Well, Nishki is a colossal piece of shit in 1 who also causes a lot of the problems in 2 and 3 through the ideals he passes down to his men. Pretty understandable to hate such a shitbag.
Nishiki also dies for his mistakes.
“The sake tastes bad because you’re here” but it’s sake man, it’s not getting much better
*years later I have learned people drink sake both hot and cold. What the fuck.
it's almost like we don't drink it for the taste
Don’t tell oz Clarke that shit
I heard somewhere that the reason for heat moves and the no-killing thing is that the only thing that is canon are story beats and cutscenes, that gameplay fights are for gameplay purposes only and what takes place in them is not canon. That's why in Kiwami you fight off ten guys but when its shown on T.V it's completely different to how you actually fought them.
I will say its fascinating to watch someone give a primer to the Yakuza-verse.
Long live Sekito¬
It got too much for me with the heat moves with the pavement face scrape in 5 which made my skin crawl everytime I accidentally used it. And then in Infinite Wealth I made Adachi a chef and *both* of his rainbow moves are invoking that move. One involves a massive grater 😳
15:03 Kiryu briefly channels himself through Woolie
Was it on the stream or was there a vod that I missed because that marker was still active on his map last time I looked?
Wait till judgment when your a detective and allow this shit.
It is a private outfit he runs tbf. Yakuza 4 would have been a better comparison.
idk why Pat thinks his point is controversial re:world logic. It's very obvious that Yakuza functions off of Crime Drama Logic and not real world logic.
Yakuza series is just a "live action" anime.
The thing about Mahjong is bang on.
They DO fix it in 6 and K2 onward, but until then it's "hope you know how to speak the language you filthy gaijin FUCK."
This is also one of the things they did to fix it in FF14 when they put it in the Gold Saucer. Because bamboo and dots are fine, you can just count them, but the character set and winds are BULLSHIT and it seems like people finally understand that.
Still not going to forget that bs in 6.
What BS in 6?
@@SteelBallRun1890 Probably that thing that made Pat cry.
I think Yakuza 7 is the worst offender in this case since the soapland dirtbag isn't relegated to a side story but instead is a crucial plot moment with the team going "Oh my god, he had such a heart of gold, that dude who forced girls into his whorehouse and literally hired us to spy on a girl that didn't show up just so that we could drag her back to work sooner".
Felt a MASSIVE disconnect with the characters during that arc to the point where I found it tedious to progress further.
Almost like its a
Gray zone of morality.
He did not force people to work for him wtf are you talking about.
Last night I beat a substory in 0 where a man smuggling foreign women into Kamurocho proposes to one of the women he brought into japan for "sexy work" AFTER HE STEALS HER FUCKING PASSPORT AND THREATENS HER WITH DEPORTATION. And she SAYS YES AND CELEBRATES THE BETROTHAL WITH KIRYU OVER PIZZA. Fuck that noise.
I kinda wanna see Woolie's reaction to She-Ra where multiple characters are excused of literal war crimes scott free and their only way of addressing it is one single character bringing up that it's weird and it's treated as a joke.
Man, She-Ra's tone was all over the place
To the point where I can't help but view it through the lens of "a cartoon adaptation of the story a particularly bright 7-year-old girl thought up while playing with her dolls" - which, don't get me wrong, is appropriate given the source material!
Catra alone being treated well by the cast when she caused Glimmer's mother to DIE is fucking bizarre. People criticize Steven Universe for things like this that it's not even guilty of (the Diamonds actually worked on fixing the issues they caused for example whereas Hordak didn't do shit after the fight was over) but She-Ra is on another level with moral sketchiness.
@@HellfireComms Catra's the only case where I feel like it works. Since she had a whole season of nobody trusting her and her trying to do the right thing. She has an entire arc of redemption. Shadow Weaver we're supposed to like after one scene because she dies. Hordak they excuse with a joke. Glimmer's numerous warcrimes are ignored cuz she's on the right side.
@@badwrongfun5541 I dunno if we're supposed to like Shadow Weaver per se, but she gets a badass way to go out and never apologizes for anything she'd done so there's that.
And Woolie still has yet to play the rest of the Kiryu era Yakuza games :(
cutscene gun, gameplay bullet
If models aren't fully rigged,
whatever happens is no big
woolie making an X 1999 reference in 2021
LIKE A DRAGON LIKE A DRAGON!
I wonder if the people having a war in the comment section were also the same that were laughing at Naruto for letting Actual Ninja Mengele get away with it.
Hey woolie, you'll be happy to know later games will add numbers to tiles to help identify it
I will legit sometimes pop a yakuza game in JUST to play mahjong
Majima would 100% kill someone if he thought they were total scum and do it with a giggle, Kiryu has Batman problems though.
Oh just wait until Woolie hears about Saejima
He already did...and then forgot about it, like most people who start with 0 do.
@@Ticketman99 I started with 0 and even I remember the rubber bullets.