The Ugly Truth Of The UN's Origins Will Disappoint You
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
- Is the UN just a tool for US hegemony? Sam Seder and author Stephen Wertheim discuss this.
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I mean, after we learned how U.S. police started out, ....
Private for profit police enforcers
"I got my son a LEGO of the UN building" is the most Sam Seder thing Sam has ever said
Ah yes, the Lego Architecture series
"Pause it" shall forever remain the most Sam Seder thing to say.
Do you explain to your 7 year old that the US ignores the UN about most things which is often a violation of International Law?
Fxk the UN.👿
you should explain to EVERYONE how the world is supposed to work and reality. if you think for one minute that the UN isnt rueilng our nation you are out of touch with what i see daily. i grew up in corpus Christi tx...recently i found out two new steel mills were being built there...then i found out they were owned by China... our government is fucking us daily and you think teaching your kid America isn't falling in line? wrong sir
Must be amazing being from the US and finding out about history as an adult. Seriously though, I'm surprised Sam didn't know this. I'm sure Gramci wrote about it. I bet Michael knew.
of course they know. david talks about it in a video called "Why Liberals Struggled With The Bolivia Question? "
@@chagoriver7159 yeah. I guess he is playing the role interviewer. Good info none the less.
@@paulgill2042 sam is a former liberal turned social democrat, he doesnt know this stuff. the guys at tmbs are the real deal, socialists, david, matt ... they know. that's what i meant. :)
@@chagoriver7159 yeah. He's a smart fella too though. I like his take on regular politics.
Dude comments like this actually really get to me. I’m one of those Americans who, at this point I feel almost daily, is learning something new about history or the American story, that was either complete bullshit or total propaganda. Do you or anyone else have other stuff to recommend that I can research/read? I’ve read a lot about how we were lied to in school but I’m always looking for new stuff!!!
Really nice to see something other than the usual US politics covered here. Given the UN is the global leader on climate change now, I'd love to see more exposés on how, despite working with many progressive NGOs and all sorts of progressive posturing, the reality is the UN has been co-opted by neoliberal corporate power. I think the specific neoliberal turn at the UN came when the UNCTC (UN Center on Transnational Corporations) - which meant to oversee global corporate behaviour - was shuttered due to American corporate influence. They've only grown closer to the WEF and global corporate corporations since then. That shift is the reason the UN is so ineffective now, and why efforts like the half-assed Paris Agreement revolves around weak corporate and state "voluntarism".
The WEF signed the Strategic Partnership Framework Agreement with the UN in June 2019.
Theosophy, luciferianism, philosophers stone.
The UN's 'Lucifer Trust, now Lucis Trust founded by Alice Bailey check it out on the UN's web page
Thank you all for the consisten upload :)
Hell yeah his kid should know. We taught our kid the dark truths of this godforsaken world early and now he is kicking ass in school and taking engineering classes at 15. Truth is illuminating and no one is ever too young for truth.
Hiding truth in some misguided attempt to preserve innocence breeds delusions and is the very embodiment of ignorance. But delusions are what most of us truthfully want and need, aren't they?
He said a9/11 event deaths every 3 days and maybe that’ll go up in the winter so I guess this is an old clip, but boy was he right about it going up... more than a9/11 every day now.
My position on the UN was always that, yes, its clearly been a tool of western interests. The security council veto alone makes a nonsense of the whole institution. It shows clearly that the abject fantasy of understanding supranational institutions as somehow "above states" or acting in a way that "dissolves state power" (a common refrain in the 1990s) is drivel. Despite this however, I still feel that's largely irrelevent from both the initial founding of the thing, the ideals enshrined in the charter, and the occasional moments when it was capable of resembling a genuine international body. After decolonisation, for example it was actually a lively forum for many third world states, and some pretty good legislation was able to be passed through amongst the committees through their action. Its lazy and somewhat eye rolling to me just to present all and every thing vaguely liberal orientated as "just another tool if us opression". While these small spaces exists, we should use them for our own benefit, not least because of the immense moral value the UN still has. And after all, a look at the US history clearly shows that working wity the UN has barely been the major problem with the US's response has it? Bilateralism is the norm for the US, they just give a fuck about its rules or norms (Nicuragra, Iraq). So it's a bit hard to say it's a tool if American power when half the time it's been virtually opposed to all and any restrictions.
What's described sounds more like the origins of the Security Council than of the UN itself, or the structure of the UN rather than the fact of its coming into existence.
I agree.....Why wud the US, if it was using the UN as moral cover for their imperialism include their greatest enemy and strongest rival in the security council, and allow them veto power.....The UN hardly functioned as a result of the Cold War anyway.
This was a dumb, cynical, needlessly anti American analysis.
Good point. The UN is vast and has many areas. I guess he focuses on the security council because that's effectively the most powerful body. Fundamentally, you can't do shit if they vetoed stuff. The GA is largely a talking shop. But still, I think the whole UN patently has some redeeming features, and I certainly think establishing at least the semblance of a moral framework for human action (like the UN charter) was undoubtedly a good moment for humanity. It's the sort of thing the left, if serious about transforming power on the international level, its going to have to try and treat some of these institutions seriously as the flawed vehicles they are.
@@mikedematteo4672 1. For credibility. 2. To ensure that bullying smaller nations didn't always turn into a standoff between the big cold war powers. That worked sometimes, not always. 3. They always had a majority considered reliable allies amongst the permanent members (P5). Those are the ones with the power of veto. It was obvious the veto would be rarely used, but the alternative all the P5 having one could have been nuclear war.
Hey Sam; people outside United States knew this fact all along.
It's new information to Americans, so therefore they are obviously going to claim ownershp because other people who knew beforehand dont count.
Its just like how they discovered America, despite all the people already living there.
It's social object permanence, until Americans see something, it aint real! 😂😂😂
The John Birch Society has been telling the US to get out of the UN for decades.
Sam, I will trash his Lego for you
He's a seven yr old. You don't need to trash it. He'll trash it and scatter it to pieces all over his bedroom floor as soon as he's bored with it. Like in about 48 to 72 hr's. Someone else will pick up the pieces and put it in his toy box never to be seen again!
Sooooo Alex Jones was right???
Wertheim: "…shoulder the burden of armed dominance, a role the United States had never played…"
Really? What about the Mexican-American War of 1846-48 or the Indian Wars of the second half of the 1800s. Or the Spanish-American War. The last of those in particular led to a permanent increase in the size of the US's military forces and was arguably the first sign that the US was on the road to becoming a world power.
That war also led to the US acquiring an overseas empire of its own, and was followed, in the Philippines, almost immediately by the Philippine Insurrection, which lasted three years and caused hundreds of thousands of Filipino civilian deaths.
The notion that the US had never before practiced armed dominance just does not square with reality.
In comparison to the other great powers of the 19th and early 20th.....no, the US wasn't very interventionist, or colonial.
Again, the US was an accidental superpower....after ww2, it was either step up or let Stalin have the throne by himself....
He says armed global dominance, referring to the fact that even with those wars you mention, we were internationally isolationist. Maintaining Global dominance is quite a bit different than military adventurism.
@@mikedematteo4672 In comparison? As if the size of this entire country isn’t significantly interventionist or colonial. The original comment just gave you 3 examples that led to the annexation of the West, the Midwest and some of the South. What a joke.
@@davidhoran7116 Again you are operating on the Isolationist notion that America is by your standard a WHITE NATION and that it’s inception was just a natural development as opposed to a blatant armed colonization of nonwhite lands. You guys are operating from a White Suburban bubble mind set that completely ignores its history and will deflect any of its historical interventions. There is no isolationism except that which other have experience at the hands of European colonizers of America. What you consider real is not what Native Americans or African Americans consider real.
@@nejolo9563 yea, I said other great POWERS, nation states, countries...Not a mere 5 million ppl scattered across 2000 square miles split into 100s of tribes.
so who created lucifer publishing who has now renamed itself lucis trust ?
....so did the rockafellas craft lucifer publishing hmm
I mean... the League of Nations WAS a disappointment! Haha
Buying your son a Lego model of the UN building is ...
UN is all we got . Better make it work best you can cos there is no help coming
The UN isnt perfect, but a league of nations around the world isnt a bad thing, procedurally there are just so many loopholes that powerful countries can go through. Its imperfect and wr cant really all work tegether, but we have to try to lower the temperature.
Sounds like you support the New World Order, Global Governance, Open Borders w/ no Soverign Countrirs...their Great Reset
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Looks like you assume a hell of a lot about me without even asking my positions on those issues.
I'm not shocked cuz I research everything I cosign. Its like trying to shock me with the origins of Planned Parenthood. I know what I'm doing. Always have. Hbu? 🤔🤷🏾♀️
Imagine ever liking the UN
And their library. It used to be called Lucifer Trust. I guess people started to notice and they changed it to Lucis Trust.
I read somewhere that FDR plans were to help Stalin rebuild the Soviet Union (Yalta Conference) However, after FDR died the plan was changed under the Truman Admin. Isolate the USSR and rebuild Europe.
Well the UN pretty much blew up in the US's face
Interesting to the depth of American ignorance about the UN; who is teaching the history ?
No it does not disappoint me. Its expected.
Not even surprised. Only surprised Sam Seder is only finding out about this now.
Yeah... I would trash the lego building I think
Sam waking up? Getting woke on JC or what?
if only more people knew
Who's surprised? Appalled, yes but not surprised.
Thumbs up and an additional comment to beat the algorithm. Thanks for the video! 👍🔥👍
UN is French 4 IMF....
“Shoot.”
That’s not surprising. I still think the UN 🇺🇳 is a useful project to reform into the ideal I used to think it was.
These idiots are against World Peace efforts?
The World has had Nuclear Weapons for the last 60 years!
Thank God for the United Nations! Earth has
193 countries! The World is Represented at the UN to to keep another World War from happening again!
Does the Worlds Population want to destroy the Human Race at the fingertips of the Greedy, POS wealthy individuals?
The UN has helped get rid of Dictatorships and Conflicts with other Nations, it has brought understanding of other cultures and races!
Earth needs the United Nations!
@@kellibarnhouse6591 I take it you didn’t watch this? They weren’t saying that, they were saying how it was started as a way for U.S. hegemony.
It's way worse than that lol
Is this supposed to be wokeness at its best? You can't look to the future with an attitude in continuing the project to find common ground and work together?
Huron mountain club members!!!
Sam didn’t you go to college??
This theory is actually quite reassuring compared to the Right Wing theory.
Years ago I had a book entitled "The Fearful Master" in which the UN is presented as a Communist one-world plot for world domination. The author compared the organization and even the symbols of the UN to those of the Soviet Union. It portrayed its various peacekeeping operations, like in the Congo, as deliberate genocides for control over the region.
I think it was that book that also suggested that the ultimate ruler of Earth would be the king of the Netherlands.
All of U.S. Conservative foreign policy stems from those theories.
You have a romantic view about everything. More videos of you getting disappointed about things you previously thought were cool please. And there will never be such a thing as a farsighted political class. Politicians know they'll be in power for 4 or 8 years. So this is as "farsighted" they'll ever gonna be. They have high time preference. That means they'll get as much as they can for themselves while they can and whatever consequence comes from that is the next guy's problem.
This is cynical nonsense. The US is an accidental superpower....we were the only country left unscathed, militarily strong and economically powerful at the end of the war.....to could do something about a 6 mil man Soviet Army.
maintain what US hegemony? The US was never an interventionists power until WW2, and were forced to become Europe security guarantor after the war, and there was a 6 mil man Army occupying the eastern half of it
To a certain degree , their was certain parts of the US governmental/corporate apparatus that where very imperialistic . Say a United Fruit leaps to mind . The American people where slowly indoctrinated to it , to the point endless resource wars are enthusiastically embraced from the public .
Even if the UN has problematic origins, it doesn't mean it couldn't be reformed for a more ideal, progressive purpose. In theory.
Yeah it does.
World doesn't run on theories
You call yourself a 'journalist' and this is 'news' to you? Seriously?
Heather, stop centering yourself and you will be amazed at what is news to the rest of the world.
It's opinion and commentary. 'News' is usually 'Boy stuck down a well.' For someone so opinionated I thought you'd have figured that out.
I don't think Sam has ever called himself a journalist. What gave you that idea?
I don't know the origins of the UN much, but I also don't have a rosy view of it. Maybe it's the same for Sam.
What do you think would’ve happened if USA hadn’t taken that role?
USA. Savior. Daddy. Not to be questioned.
People would’ve done what’s best for them. That’s not possible when there’s a genocidal maniac watching every move you make.
I imagine 2 million Vietnanese would still be alive. I imagine 3000 Chileans wouldn't have been butchered by Pinochet. I imagine several hundred thousand would not have been slaughtered in the various killing fields of Nicuragra, El Salavator, Guatamala (the latter outright committing genocide against its native populations in the north). I imagine Argentine mothers would not have had their children from them and "disappeared" from them for decades, causing agony and heartbreak the likes we can never imagine. I imagine a million Indonesians might not have been mass slaughtered by Suharto. I imagine Iran might ge a democratic state, having not had Mossedeque overthrown, replaced by the Shah, thrm overthrown by Khohemie. We might not have had the rise of global islamism by the US funding and backing Saudi Arabias radicalisation of the whole region, not to mention destroying the forces of secular Arab nationalism in the region and making way for islamism to fill the void.
The US is quite possibly the greatest force of human evil ever in human history. Its crimes are without number, and its atrocities without end. It is devoid or morality or legality. It deserves to be mercilessly annihilated as a global force.