Jay set him up. Been convinced since the first day of this podcast series. I lived with & married a sociopath. This guy is young & learning, but he's good enough to fool these cops. They _should_ have pressed Jay & polygraphed him. All they wanted was someone to pin it on. They didn't want the truth. They rarely do.
Digitalhunny You fool. The polygraph is meaningless. There are real SERIAL KILLERS who have passed the polygraph test. I don’t know who has convinced you that the polygraph is credible, but they are very wrong
Digitalhunny And you’re also forgetting that Adnan is clearly lying as well. He says he isn’t close with jay but he let jay borrow his car and brand new cell phone for several hours?
Eric M Yea exactly. And yea the polygraph is complete bullshit and shouldn’t be used to draw any real conclusions. There are known serial killers that passed the polygraph test. It’s sad that people still think it works
Wait did no one hear when the detective asked Jay “So in route to your house you got a call from Adnan” Jay- “Yes” Detective-“From his cell phone” J- “Yes” Detective-“Which is in your possession” J- “Yes” This guy set him up! Couldn’t even keep his own lies straight!
From the _very_ first day, I said Jay did it & framed Ahnun. They weren't 'friends' so why would Ahnun trust this Jay guy?? Logic says he wouldn't. Motive, Jay asked girl out now that she's single & she says no. Jay didn't like rejection, killed her & framed her ex. Sloppy police work. They _should_ have pressed Jay & his whole group. Where was Jay's polygraph? Sloppy.
ADNAN IS GUILTY!HOW MUCH PROOF DO YOU GUYS NEED? 1.It was a crime of passion, since there was no sexual assault on a beautiful young girl.So something personal, after 20 years of public scrutiny and media investigation, you'd think SOME other angle or motive would come out .But NONE. It leaves either don or adnan, and don couldnt have cuz jay knew so much including where the car is, so he wasnt bluffing. Inconsistencies in his story can be there, he's a human being with a personal life, he was tired of talking to the cops for hours and started just saying yes to their questions wthout thinking much.Secondly he admitted lying about seeing body in best buy, he actually saw it near his grandma house but back then he couldnt tell the police cuz he didnt want his grandma and family involved. 2.LOOK at adnan's reaction talking about Jay at 15th or 16th minute mark,just like in all other audio tapes, he barely sounds as angry or full of hate / resentment towards jay as ANYONE innocent would have if his very close loved one was murdered by Jay( if adnan is innocent has to jay the murderer cuz of things he knew) and leaving him spending his life in prison cuz of lies. Just listen to adnan talk, " dont wanna make accusation againts jay without proof", i was like WHAT? DUDE he killed her no innocent person would talk like that. He is just sticking to innocent because he knows his family specially mother would lose her mind with shock if he admits guilt.
The case gets blurry. Jay is hiding something whether his own activities or actual involvement or the actual killing of the victim. Something is wrong with what he is saying. He tries to reinforce at one point that adnod was planning this 5 days prior then goes back to learning of it the same day. Almost as if he tried to make adnod more suspicious but then retracted and decided that wasn’t a good option and stick to his original plan. Also Edmonston and Best Buy have some value. Something was done at both locations. He’s hiding something just not sure what exactly. I know this area myself and can kind of picture it happening how much time it takes to get to each location. Very interesting case to say the least. Where is jay now??
@@Barryzuckercorn69 yeah that’s true also and imo Adnan seems so comfortable being inside prison that they were probably both in on it and jay just decided to save his own ass and ran w it. The lack of anger from Adnan to Jay baffles me to this day.
I’m convinced Jay knew absolutely nothing at all and everything he knew he was told by the police. In order to get out of his drug charge which he could’ve done 10 years for. He knows absolutely nothing and everything he does say we will never know because the police didn’t record straight away they recorded the second interview 3 hours after he arrived at the station - they were getting his story straight and telling him what he had to say. You can hear them tapping on pieces of paper whenever he loses track of what he’s supposed to say. He also told his ex girlfriend that he pinned it on Adnan in order to get off of said charge.
The detectives didn’t even bother looking into Jay as a real viable suspect. His stories all over the place lying and retracting his story time after time. He clearly did it and used Adnan as the scapegoat. Jay obviously told the story of what happened but instead of himself he said Adnan did it. He only said he helped bury her because he needed to place himself there in case his DNA was found. Not to mention if you kill someone are you really gonna share info with an “acquaintance”. Jays entire story is questionable at best and even his friend Jen’s interview with detectives sounded coached by Jay. A serious injustice has happened to Adnan and needs to be made right.
jay is really weird character. he knows too much about the way Hae was killed. it would be really weird of Adnan to kill hae, call jay, they bury the body and sit in the car and adnan gives every detail of the way she was killed. Adnan would be too stressed and worried about where to bury her. this case is too hard to solve even for the detectives. so I feel they (police) wanted a murderer and when jay came with the information they arrested Adnan as he was the boyfriend of hae, he had physical contact with her, his parents didn't like it and his parents were against their relationship. THERES SO MANY INCONSISTENCIES WITH EVERYONES STORIES. and most of the person who was convicted "Cant remember everything". its so weird. A person who doesn't remember things probably didn't do it or have worked really hard to forget anything and A person who actually committed a crime will be spending their every little time justifying to themselves why they did it to make them feel at peace with their actions and learning what to say if anyone came for them. Ie police. If Adnan was the killer, he has to do his time, if Jay did it then he deserves to be imprisoned and Adnan released and apologised and he deserves the justice for being innocent and spending his life in prison. if the police didn't know who did it and without evidence dont convict any one.
@@alexb7641 To me It looks like he wanted Adnan out of the picture for some reason. Probably because Adnan was close friends with Stephanie his GF. Could be he became jealous or thought there was something between them, decided to kill Hae and frame Adnan for her murder.
@@gonzomiller1720 yeah that's fantasy world. More than likely he was paid by Adnan to get rid of the body/evidence and was trying to minimize his role. Adnan killed her for obvious reasons.
One thing I keep thinking about, I find it extremely hard to believe adnan would open the trunk in the best buy parking lot to show a dead body!!! A complete moron wouldn't do that!!!
He didnt . Jay admitted years later that it happened somewhere isolated spot near his grandma house, but he didnt say that since he couldnt have the cops asking questions to his grandma and all the neighbour families.
Because Adnan didn't say anything in the first place. Jay could've actually had more time than adnan but A didn't say anything kf it happened the way J says it did.
Jay plays innocent with everybody, probably with Adnan too. Don’t know how adnan could have sympathy for jay, that he couldn’t accuse jay. Jay is a manipulative liar.
ADNAN IS GUILTY!HOW MUCH PROOF DO YOU GUYS NEED? 1.It was a crime of passion, since there was no sexual assault on a beautiful young girl.So something personal, after 20 years of public scrutiny and media investigation, you'd think SOME other angle or motive would come out .But NONE. It leaves either don or adnan, and don couldnt have cuz jay knew so much including where the car is, so he wasnt bluffing. Inconsistencies in his story can be there, he's a human being with a personal life, he was tired of talking to the cops for hours and started just saying yes to their questions wthout thinking much.Secondly he admitted lying about seeing body in best buy, he actually saw it near his grandma house but back then he couldnt tell the police cuz he didnt want his grandma and family involved. 2.LOOK at adnan's reaction talking about Jay at 15th or 16th minute mark,just like in all other audio tapes, he barely sounds as angry or full of hate / resentment towards jay as ANYONE innocent would have if his very close loved one was murdered by Jay( if adnan is innocent has to jay the murderer cuz of things he knew) and leaving him spending his life in prison cuz of lies. Just listen to adnan talk, " dont wanna make accusation againts jay without proof", i was like WHAT? DUDE he killed her no innocent person would talk like that. He is just sticking to innocent because he knows his family specially mother would lose her mind with shock if he admits guilt.
LsBrigandes - I was thinking the same thing! Who lets someone use not only their car, but also their brand new cell phone for hours? I found that to be really strange. I don’t know what to think about that, it doesn’t sound right.
@@JohnThreeSixteen7373 he did say they smoked together and they both had a bond with Stephanie, to me they aren’t close close friend but they did have a few chats here and there but not to the point where they are buddy’s that’s how I take it
Jonathan Garcia I think since he told and gave the cops information then he get less consequences I think he tried to play the innocent and confused card and I think he was lying
Or to throw the cops off and make them focus more on Adnan. That could be his plan to throw everyone off and make it seem like he had nothing to do with it
In some states they would’ve arrested Jay right after he talked. Bc he was a accomplice. In my state he would b n jail right now doing the same amount of time as the person that did the actual crime.
If you guys notice...there was a anonymous call after jenn interview the next day ( advising to focus on ex-boyfriend ) and suddenly jays changes story and matches with jenn story. As i see on call list, there were many calls to jenn as per testimony jay had his mobile phone and car...
Mariah Pina And for that reason Jay would kill Hae of all people? How does that make any sense? Do you think he’s some kind of criminal mastermind and was able to frame Adnan? Seems extremely far fetched
What was his motive? And how could he possibly have killed Hae in the VERY short time between when Hae left school, but before she was to pick up her cousin. The distance between Woodlawn and this location is no more than 4 miles. How could Jay have killed her in this short period of time and why?
First Jay says he helped him dig the grave that was about 5 inches deep if I am remembering correctly and they both did equal work and NOWW he is saying that he didint help
ADNAN IS GUILTY!HOW MUCH PROOF DO YOU GUYS NEED? 1.It was a crime of passion, since there was no sexual assault on a beautiful young girl.So something personal, after 20 years of public scrutiny and media investigation, you'd think SOME other angle or motive would come out .But NONE. It leaves either don or adnan, and don couldnt have cuz jay knew so much including where the car is, so he wasnt bluffing. Inconsistencies in his story can be there, he's a human being with a personal life, he was tired of talking to the cops for hours and started just saying yes to their questions wthout thinking much.Secondly he admitted lying about seeing body in best buy, he actually saw it near his grandma house but back then he couldnt tell the police cuz he didnt want his grandma and family involved. 2.LOOK at adnan's reaction talking about Jay at 15th or 16th minute mark,just like in all other audio tapes, he barely sounds as angry or full of hate / resentment towards jay as ANYONE innocent would have if his very close loved one was murdered by Jay( if adnan is innocent has to jay the murderer cuz of things he knew) and leaving him spending his life in prison cuz of lies. Just listen to adnan talk, " dont wanna make accusation againts jay without proof", i was like WHAT? DUDE he killed her no innocent person would talk like that. He is just sticking to innocent because he knows his family specially mother would lose her mind with shock if he admits guilt.
JAY IS OBVIOUSLY THE KILLER!!! The shovels, dumping his clothes, he knew where Hae's car was. Just these few things seem more evidence than what they had on poor Adnan !
@@faisofaisal9059 And killing Adnan's ex-girlfriend accomplishes what exactly? And how did Jay kill Hae in the very narrow time frame between when she left Woodlawn, but before she picked up her cousin at daycare, a trip of no more than 5 miles??
I’m convinced Jay knew nothing at all. He admitted to his ex girlfriend who he used to live with that he was told what to say by the police in order to get off of a drug charge a- he was caught with 10 pounds of weed which was serious time in Baltimore back then. He knows nothing hence why his story is all over the place and they spoke to him for 3 hours before they put the tape recorder on the second time they interviewed him. They told him what he had to do and say in order to get off.
@@milart12she didn’t pick up her cousin at daycare, she had been killed around 2:30 since school got out at 2:15, she had been strangled in the best buy parking lot and the best buy is 5 minutes away from the highschool, mae was buried at leakin park, a 10 minute drive, she would’ve been buried at around 3:00
Jay knows way more than Adnan, half this stuff isn't even close to what Adnan remembered i think Jay could he jealous bc he payed close attention to Stefanie like her birthday maybe it was revenge? Adnan took Stefanie so Jay couldve took hae?
Yup he tried to have sex w Hae for get back because of Adnan and Stephanie being close and him buying gifts for her birthday. Hae probably wasn’t having it so Jay choked her out of anger for not giving it up. Man seems like this all came down to the power of pussy. Plus the parents getting involved. She might still be alive if they didn’t start the downward spiral on there relationship.
@@nicholasblohm2744 Do you people actually think about what you're saying? She wasn't even his GF at the time? Why would he do that? He didn't know her and how would he get into Hae's Car? Not to mention the fact that there were no signs of struggle. And if he did it why would he tell Jen specific details of the crime that could possibly come back to him? Also if Jay blames Adnan and Adnan has an alibi then he's completely f*cked. If Jay did it and successfully set up Adnan then it's the crime of the century.
Jay Lat dude your comment makes no sense. Jay did know Hae enough, listen to the WHOLE podcast and undisclosed then watch documentary. Plus crime of century hardly. The detectives made it easy for jay. Luck sometimes goes in the favor of the perpetrator. I could go on but I’m done with this case. Not enough proof for conviction so Syed should get another trial. Remember the detectives said all they need is 51% suspicion on a suspect to go after him. Meaning the shoe doesn’t have to exactly fit, metaphorically speaking.
@@nicholasblohm2744 But 12 Jurors of his peers and the Appeals Courts all found that there was more than enough evidence to convict. That's my point. We shouldn't be opening up convictions based off of podcasts and documentaries which present at best paint an incomplete picture and at worst fabricated evidence. That's why we get these crazy theories accusing this person and that person of a murder. I bet you I could take any event from 20 years ago and do some revisionist history. Also, Undisclosed and the Documentary are trash and complete shills. People should read the actual trial transcripts and look at the exhibits. Then maybe they will see it's not even that close.
Jay Lat your lazy...especially your thoughts, god help us that we don’t have people like you in charge. Take your time and listen, Hell look the case up on your own without podcast. It’s public info. It’s a botched case. Investigation question to minors after a month, like they would remember. Jay story switches up still to this day. Baltimore cops are literally the dirtiest police in the nation and that’s my opinion before the podcast. The jury was mostly black and uneducated and the info of jay not doing a single day in jail. Plus you really think Jay would help w a DEAD BODY because he was scared of a weed case? So basically he thought I rather help with a DEAD BODY over getting caught with WEED?, cmon man! Give me weed case all day...no matter the amount! Plus if jay was scared he could have easily told the police when Syed called from the supposedly Best Buy to come get him. Send the police then and catch him red handed. Makes sense? Why defend Jay? I’m not sure he did it either, but he’s just has much a suspect. Do your homework and I’m sure you will eventually see. You comment back all you want, like I said before I’m done with this and already like the majority of the 200 million people that listen to the case, I have concluded that there should be another trial and so have the judges. It got blocked by another set of judges which cause conflict that ultimately says he needs another trial. Look I’m not saying Syed is innocent or guilty, he just needs another trial. For all we know Syed could have hired jay to kill Hae and when the pressure was on Jay flipped and snitched. In Chicago right now there are men getting released from prison after 20plus yrs because Chicago has a very dirty detective that was locking innocent men up to have a high number of cases closed which means a whole lot to detectives. Don’t tell me your one of those that thinks all cops are good? Smh...I’m done son. Hopefully you never end up in a situation where your telling the truth and innocent but still gets locked up for something you didn’t do.
It could simply just be Jay's jealousy with the friendship Adnan and Stephanie had together and so he must have though "he's taking something from me, so I will take something from him."
But he must have asked someone else to kill her for him, since apparently Jennifer says that she was with Jay the whole afternoon. Or it could be that Jennifer is lying.
Why didn’t any of these people run to the police and tell what happened? Everyone is acting like killing someone is no big deal. I don’t get it. This Jenn person sounds like she is lying. This whole story is so strange.
Monica Ingram While I do agree, it would appear that murders weren’t too uncommon in whatever town they were living in. I mean, the expression “If you’re digging to bury a body, chances are you’ll find someone else’s body” doesn’t come from nowhere.
@@BluenosedCash75 even then , you'd think the death of someone you knew first hand and the alleged murderer ,it'll make you feel some type of way. Everyone seems to brush it off as ordinary
Jay is clearly framing him and he changed his made up story to be from the street instead of the parking lot because he didn't want camera footage to show that they were never at best buy, discrediting him.
@@YoungHaveNot Maybe because Stephanie (his girlfriend) and her family didn't approve of Jay who was working a dead-end job right out of high school, whereas Stephanie's family liked Adnan who spent a lot of time together as he was going to college and was a bright student and athlete unlike Jay who never played sports. Idk I still don't know if Adnan didn't do it but if I had to make a case it wasn't him, I'd point to Jay for the jealousy reason. BUT the thing is, who is more likely to KILL Hae. Adnan called Hae three times the night before she went missing. Twice at 11 at night, and a third time at about 12:35 am. That's pretty late. She was at Don's place, probably fucking his brains out and that's what Adnan thought. The next day he asked Hae for a ride after school, but why?? He has his own car. And he said himself, Hae had to pick up her cousin so she doesn't do anything for anyone after school. It's confusing as hell, but as we'll find out in later episodes, the truth and trial gets even muddier.
@@naturevideo1170 its something called evidence. Jay didnt have time to kill her. He has witnesses to support his alibi. Jay would have had to be near Haes school around 230 in order for him to kill her. He has eye witnesses he wasnt near her school at that time. Guess who was
yeah the jealous boyfriend who asked her for a ride that day then lied about it (which is exactly the plan Jay told the cops) and can remember vividly the day of her death until right after school where he conveniently forgets totally had nothing to do with it.
Jay (allegedly) killed Hae because he was mad that Adnan and Stephanie were close friends, he was jealous, so he decided to kill Hae and put it on Adnan. This guy knows way too much, I really believe this was a setup...
Why and how? What was his motive? Hae was supposed to pick up her cousin at daycare at around 3 PM. If Adnan did not kill Hae, she must have left Woodlawn unscathed a little after 2:30. The day care is 15-20 minutes away. How could Jay have killed her in this very narrow time frame?
But wait.the girlfriend of Jay is called Stephanie, as in the prom princess who was mentioned in Hae Mins diary? Who was somehow dumped by Adnan to be with Hae? Crazy theory: Stephanie was in love with Adan and more than jealous of Hae, so she got somehow in contact with Jay, ending up planning to murder Hae Min and blaming it on Adan as a punishment? The dna found on the wheel in Haes car, could be Stephanies, who parked it there, so the story would make sense?
The damn police showed Jay pictures of the crime scene as they were interrogating him… wtf.. of course he knows where to find her and the police knew where the car was and led him to it… like. To me they wanted to solve this murder more than they cared if they actually had the perpetrator.
Maybe Jay is trying to say that if he went to the police on a random thought of Anad about to kill Hae, he'd be considered a snitch and possibly get busted on in retaliation...Idk. Fishy
Am I crazy or did Adnan admit in episode 1 or 2 that he let Jay take his car and cell phone to buy Stephanie a Xmas gift. But now your stating u don’t remember having any real conversations with him. That’s a direct contradiction to me because why would u entrust someone with your property you know nothing about? Guilty
Are serious? Lol so he just decide to kill hae on the day adnan have him his car and phone? How did Jay get in hae’s car? How did Jay drive her car and adnan? Lol silly
Once Adnan over turns this case Jay needs too go too jail he clearly framed Adnan he should have at the least been an accomplice in this case the justice system failed Adnan and favored Jay this is complete BS wow just wow . Jay needs too be held accountable although Adnan will never get back all these prime years of his life Jay should be given the death penalty for throwing away Adnan’s life and framing him smdh this is sickening
Jay was trying to get the cops to get Adnan for the murder but didn't want to seem like a rat so he gave all kind of different stories. He could always say the cops knew about the murder and asked me but I gave them a bunch of different stories
is it too dumb to assume but could there be another suspect other than adnan and jay? i don't know maybe adnan is actually innocent, and jay somehow got involved or wanted to involve for his sake? he's definitely hiding something.
If Jay knew that Adnan killed Hae, and helped to dig the ditch or atleast knew where she was buried, then why did he not inform the police after the Murder ? When he reached his home, why didnt he call the police later ? And why didnt he inform the police where the body was buried ? Like why was he keeping quiet all the time till the Cops were at his doorstep ? Why did he use his shovel rather than Adnan's, why did Jay burn his clothes after the murder where he didn't do any crime ? He did things meticulously like a killer. He knew where Hae's car was ? Either Jay was the Murderer, and he fed the Adnan story to his GF to save himself. Or Jay was accomplice and it was someone else who killed her. There is no way Jay had not interest or connection with the murder. He was part of it.
Of course, he was. He helped Adnan bury the body???? But he had no reason to kill Hae??? He didn't tell the police because he was an accessory after the fact.
"a look of puzzlement like "who, Jay?" - Oh, just the guy who you loaned your brand new cell phone and car and hung out with him all day, yeah that guy!
Probably Jay stole Adnan's car, Hae spotted him with the car in best buy parking lot and tried to report him. Jay kidnapped her, took her to leakin Park and killed her. Adnan's cellphone was in the car, he may have called on his phone and Jay had taken the call and said it was just a joke. So Adnan said, come pick me up and Jay said come to best buy, I'll hand your car over there.
Whaaat? Adnan has admitted that he GAVE his car and phone to Jay. Why would Hae be in the Best Buy parking lot? She was on her way to pick up her cousin. This is easily the silliest post I have seen. And there have been a lot of silly posts.
IDK...the story actually sounds credible to me because he adds the detail about getting a ride from the victim as part of the plan, which is a detail Adnan lies about and others corroborate as something that happened. You asked if that was a little or big flag. Um, it's a pretty big red flag if your murderer's plan to lure a victim is a detail HE lies about and OTHERS corroborate.
Adnan killed Hae however Jay was more involved than he's letting on. Jay was aware of this days, weeks before it happened and probably for money agreed to help with the csr, phone and body.
The evidence they have against Adnan is all circumstancial, but does point to his guilt. It bothers me that there wasn't a lot of scientific evidence. Doesn't seem like the investigation had much testing done, as far as DNA and fingerprints go. I just dont know why so many techniques were skipped during the investigation.
Jay's story changes a bit, but I see how someone would try to bend the truth to minimize their own involvement. More details come out only when pressed. While I can't imagine helping someone with any part of a murder, I understand how it would feel unsafe to go against someone, knowing they have already KILLED. You don't want them seeing you as a threat because you know too much. Helping the person might seem to be the only safe choice, when in the moment, nd face-to-face, alone.
Jenn just sounds like such a liar, she speaks the way people speak when they are lying. Also: "Unless adnan paid Jay a big sum of money" uhhhh why would you just add a "unless" scenario to that kind of convo, put of nowhere? If you telling the truth you don't just come with an "unless" unprompted like that, maybe after a while you would but it's just such a weird thing to add
@@irsahhameed5821 yes and he seems shady to me. It a shame he was not in the court room from the defence side swearing in court or being put in contempt for lying Lol
My theory so far is that Jay was hired by the ex that’s why jay had the ex’s car and phone while the ex went to the library and track practice for an alibi...the ex told lee that his car wasn’t working earlier on in the day at school so later on when she got a text from the ex’s 2nd phone to help her by picking him up she didn’t question it or if it was even the ex cause he told her he might need her help but it was Jay who texted her...the ex helped her with her car troubles before so even if she didn’t want to go and help him she owed him a favor...and also when the ex went to help lee with her car he found out about the new boyfriend Dawn the hot older smarter blond blue eye guy that had no issues/baggage with family and religion and would t need to keep their relationship a secret and Dawn wasn’t just another stupid fuckboy like the ex was either...Jay had the rep for being the bad boy and the ex and Jay seem like they are closer then they let on to the cops to keep it almost like “strangers on a train” style of a hired hit but it doesn’t work if you know each other at all...being “strangers” is the key they didn’t keep to the story line...just a lil of what I’m thinking... and he got the 2nd phone like two days or at least right before the day lee was killed I don’t buy his reason for getting that 2nd phone...and who the f*** has a burner phone (throw away phones)...?! Drug dealers or cheaters that’s who...!! They’re both guilty...Jen doesn’t sound right about the facts in her story either.
No one is pointing to the anonymous call... it could be that person together with Jay who did it, and pinned it on Adnan... this can happen... there's a note claiming that he will make her disappear... it could be that person who made that anonymous call... this's very much possible... Jay had Adnan's car and phone... they knew even if Jay get caught, will blame it on Adnan... 🧐
But Jay wasn't their when the car was dumped he said he left before the body was buried but then was their during and left after but never mentioned being their while dumping the car so how did he know
Jay was there when the car was dumped. He led police to the car, which had yet to be discovered. Before he led them to the car, he told them about a broken turn signal indicator inside the car, which he said Adnan told him Hae had kicked & broken while she struggled as Adnan strangled her.
@@milart12 There's a note which was hidden by the state, and now used by defense, which says: I'll make her(Hae) disappear. I think Jay did it with the person who made the anonymous call, after Jay was investigated the first time. They planned it well, Jay got Adnan's phone and Car, they knew even if Jay get caught, they'll pin it on Adnan.
Is the mall nearby where the victim suppose to pick up her nephew/niece? If that's the case, Jay was going to the mall to buy Stephanie a birthday gift. I don't believe jen for saying that Jay was with her at her place. There no proof for it besides that she says so, but like her good friend Jay who lies much, she obviously is too.
I find it hard to believe that you don’t remember the day your ex girlfriend died. I had an ex boyfriend pass away in high school and every second of that day sticks out in my mind. Even though I had absolutely no contact with him.
I think it differs in every situation. I was only 5 when my younger brother died but I can vividly recall what happened that day. Two weeks ago, my close friend died but I cant remember what happened that day.
My brother died 3 years ago and I could never even begin to tell you the events that played out that day, where I went, who I went with, what time I went. Also, no one knew she was dead until 3 weeks later.
The condom and the liquor make me think they both were involved. Unfortunately looks like Jay pointed the finger on his weed "buddy". I'm happy I stumbled across this podcast case.
Jay knows too much to be innocent
Jay set him up. Been convinced since the first day of this podcast series. I lived with & married a sociopath. This guy is young & learning, but he's good enough to fool these cops. They _should_ have pressed Jay & polygraphed him. All they wanted was someone to pin it on. They didn't want the truth. They rarely do.
Digitalhunny You fool. The polygraph is meaningless. There are real SERIAL KILLERS who have passed the polygraph test. I don’t know who has convinced you that the polygraph is credible, but they are very wrong
Digitalhunny And you’re also forgetting that Adnan is clearly lying as well. He says he isn’t close with jay but he let jay borrow his car and brand new cell phone for several hours?
Eric M Yea exactly. And yea the polygraph is complete bullshit and shouldn’t be used to draw any real conclusions. There are known serial killers that passed the polygraph test. It’s sad that people still think it works
@@Digitalhunny So Jay killed one person and have never killed anyone else? Why would he kill her? Theres no motive.
Jay never has any shock, remorse, or fear in his voice when he’s retelling his involvement with a DEAD BODY! he’s so nonchalant and cold.
Jay is the only kid calling the murdered child "a bitch", the only one saying "kill...... the,,,,, bitch". Raging Segs zist, misogynist.
who else here bc of school
Makii Bates me lmao it’s 2 am and we have a mini quiz on this
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Lmfao same
I gotta take the quiz next period😢
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Wait did no one hear when the detective asked Jay “So in route to your house you got a call from Adnan” Jay- “Yes” Detective-“From his cell phone” J- “Yes” Detective-“Which is in your possession” J- “Yes”
This guy set him up! Couldn’t even keep his own lies straight!
I thought the same thing!!
From the _very_ first day, I said Jay did it & framed Ahnun. They weren't 'friends' so why would Ahnun trust this Jay guy?? Logic says he wouldn't. Motive, Jay asked girl out now that she's single & she says no. Jay didn't like rejection, killed her & framed her ex. Sloppy police work. They _should_ have pressed Jay & his whole group. Where was Jay's polygraph? Sloppy.
Digitalhunny You are dumb. Hae was dating another guy at that time and Jay also had a girlfriend
ADNAN IS GUILTY!HOW MUCH PROOF DO YOU GUYS NEED?
1.It was a crime of passion, since there was no sexual assault on a beautiful young girl.So something personal, after 20 years of public scrutiny and media investigation, you'd think SOME other angle or motive would come out .But NONE. It leaves either don or adnan, and don couldnt have cuz jay knew so much including where the car is, so he wasnt bluffing. Inconsistencies in his story can be there, he's a human being with a personal life, he was tired of talking to the cops for hours and started just saying yes to their questions wthout thinking much.Secondly he admitted lying about seeing body in best buy, he actually saw it near his grandma house but back then he couldnt tell the police cuz he didnt want his grandma and family involved.
2.LOOK at adnan's reaction talking about Jay at 15th or 16th minute mark,just like in all other audio tapes, he barely sounds as angry or full of hate / resentment towards jay as ANYONE innocent would have if his very close loved one was murdered by Jay( if adnan is innocent has to jay the murderer cuz of things he knew) and leaving him spending his life in prison cuz of lies. Just listen to adnan talk, " dont wanna make accusation againts jay without proof", i was like WHAT? DUDE he killed her no innocent person would talk like that. He is just sticking to innocent because he knows his family specially mother would lose her mind with shock if he admits guilt.
Where does it say this ?
this is my english hw
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The case gets blurry. Jay is hiding something whether his own activities or actual involvement or the actual killing of the victim. Something is wrong with what he is saying. He tries to reinforce at one point that adnod was planning this 5 days prior then goes back to learning of it the same day. Almost as if he tried to make adnod more suspicious but then retracted and decided that wasn’t a good option and stick to his original plan. Also Edmonston and Best Buy have some value. Something was done at both locations. He’s hiding something just not sure what exactly. I know this area myself and can kind of picture it happening how much time it takes to get to each location. Very interesting case to say the least. Where is jay now??
Living in Houston I think and to this day maintains the same story as he told 2 decades ago
@@lstruggy same story lol his story is constantly changing
@@Barryzuckercorn69 yeah that’s true also and imo Adnan seems so comfortable being inside prison that they were probably both in on it and jay just decided to save his own ass and ran w it. The lack of anger from Adnan to Jay baffles me to this day.
I’m convinced Jay knew absolutely nothing at all and everything he knew he was told by the police. In order to get out of his drug charge which he could’ve done 10 years for. He knows absolutely nothing and everything he does say we will never know because the police didn’t record straight away they recorded the second interview 3 hours after he arrived at the station - they were getting his story straight and telling him what he had to say. You can hear them tapping on pieces of paper whenever he loses track of what he’s supposed to say. He also told his ex girlfriend that he pinned it on Adnan in order to get off of said charge.
The detectives didn’t even bother looking into Jay as a real viable suspect. His stories all over the place lying and retracting his story time after time. He clearly did it and used Adnan as the scapegoat. Jay obviously told the story of what happened but instead of himself he said Adnan did it. He only said he helped bury her because he needed to place himself there in case his DNA was found. Not to mention if you kill someone are you really gonna share info with an “acquaintance”. Jays entire story is questionable at best and even his friend Jen’s interview with detectives sounded coached by Jay. A serious injustice has happened to Adnan and needs to be made right.
Sonny Foster I agree! These detectives r fucken idiots!!
jay is really weird character. he knows too much about the way Hae was killed. it would be really weird of Adnan to kill hae, call jay, they bury the body and sit in the car and adnan gives every detail of the way she was killed. Adnan would be too stressed and worried about where to bury her. this case is too hard to solve even for the detectives. so I feel they (police) wanted a murderer and when jay came with the information they arrested Adnan as he was the boyfriend of hae, he had physical contact with her, his parents didn't like it and his parents were against their relationship.
THERES SO MANY INCONSISTENCIES WITH EVERYONES STORIES. and most of the person who was convicted "Cant remember everything". its so weird.
A person who doesn't remember things probably didn't do it or have worked really hard to forget anything and A person who actually committed a crime will be spending their every little time justifying to themselves why they did it to make them feel at peace with their actions and learning what to say if anyone came for them. Ie police.
If Adnan was the killer, he has to do his time, if Jay did it then he deserves to be imprisoned and Adnan released and apologised and he deserves the justice for being innocent and spending his life in prison. if the police didn't know who did it and without evidence dont convict any one.
Jay didn't clearly do it and had no motive to do it.
@@alexb7641 To me It looks like he wanted Adnan out of the picture for some reason. Probably because Adnan was close friends with Stephanie his GF. Could be he became jealous or thought there was something between them, decided to kill Hae and frame Adnan for her murder.
@@gonzomiller1720 yeah that's fantasy world. More than likely he was paid by Adnan to get rid of the body/evidence and was trying to minimize his role. Adnan killed her for obvious reasons.
One thing I keep thinking about, I find it extremely hard to believe adnan would open the trunk in the best buy parking lot to show a dead body!!! A complete moron wouldn't do that!!!
But A stupid teenager would!
@@LsBrigandes a stupid teenager who happened to be a smart and mediated killer?
jay would do that
He didnt . Jay admitted years later that it happened somewhere isolated spot near his grandma house, but he didnt say that since he couldnt have the cops asking questions to his grandma and all the neighbour families.
Plus he would have to move dead weight from the front seat to the trunk. At 230pm with a million people around.
Anyone else realize that jays voice sped up whenever he was asked if he killed Hae?
Jay is the key to the whole case! Not sure why they didn't arrest him.
He sign a thing with the police so he doesn’t get arrested if he tells the truth
Because Adnan didn't say anything in the first place. Jay could've actually had more time than adnan but A didn't say anything kf it happened the way J says it did.
Here because they set our boy FREE 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Jay plays innocent with everybody, probably with Adnan too. Don’t know how adnan could have sympathy for jay, that he couldn’t accuse jay.
Jay is a manipulative liar.
ADNAN IS GUILTY!HOW MUCH PROOF DO YOU GUYS NEED?
1.It was a crime of passion, since there was no sexual assault on a beautiful young girl.So something personal, after 20 years of public scrutiny and media investigation, you'd think SOME other angle or motive would come out .But NONE. It leaves either don or adnan, and don couldnt have cuz jay knew so much including where the car is, so he wasnt bluffing. Inconsistencies in his story can be there, he's a human being with a personal life, he was tired of talking to the cops for hours and started just saying yes to their questions wthout thinking much.Secondly he admitted lying about seeing body in best buy, he actually saw it near his grandma house but back then he couldnt tell the police cuz he didnt want his grandma and family involved.
2.LOOK at adnan's reaction talking about Jay at 15th or 16th minute mark,just like in all other audio tapes, he barely sounds as angry or full of hate / resentment towards jay as ANYONE innocent would have if his very close loved one was murdered by Jay( if adnan is innocent has to jay the murderer cuz of things he knew) and leaving him spending his life in prison cuz of lies. Just listen to adnan talk, " dont wanna make accusation againts jay without proof", i was like WHAT? DUDE he killed her no innocent person would talk like that. He is just sticking to innocent because he knows his family specially mother would lose her mind with shock if he admits guilt.
Agreed
@@27sadhu they weren’t saying Adnan is innocent, they’re saying that Jay is being deceitful on some level
You wasn't close with jay but you was close enough to let him use your car 🤥🤥😐😑😒
LsBrigandes - I was thinking the same thing! Who lets someone use not only their car, but also their brand new cell phone for hours? I found that to be really strange. I don’t know what to think about that, it doesn’t sound right.
@@JohnThreeSixteen7373 he did say they smoked together and they both had a bond with Stephanie, to me they aren’t close close friend but they did have a few chats here and there but not to the point where they are buddy’s that’s how I take it
Exactly
Its 2020 online learning and we still here bc of SCHOOL
There’s so much more to Jay’s story than he’s letting on. He’s lying about so much
What about Adnan saying he barely knew the guy, but loses him his car and phone.
Not one single person, other than Jay, referring to victim as a "bitch".
No one else is using this toxic hate speech.
It's a redflag for sexism.
wouldn't jay be arrested for being an accomplice to murder since Adnan was convicted?
Jonathan Garcia I think since he told and gave the cops information then he get less consequences I think he tried to play the innocent and confused card and I think he was lying
Or to throw the cops off and make them focus more on Adnan. That could be his plan to throw everyone off and make it seem like he had nothing to do with it
Jay was charged with accessory after the fact.
Natasha Trendell did he do time?
In some states they would’ve arrested Jay right after he talked. Bc he was a accomplice. In my state he would b n jail right now doing the same amount of time as the person that did the actual crime.
If you guys notice...there was a anonymous call after jenn interview the next day ( advising to focus on ex-boyfriend ) and suddenly jays changes story and matches with jenn story. As i see on call list, there were many calls to jenn as per testimony jay had his mobile phone and car...
Jay is an evil genius, killed Adnan’s true love and framed him for it.
CharlesBloodInit jay had literally no reason to kill hae though
Samantha Wright jealously
Jay Fxndi Jealous of what? Jay had a girlfriend
@@notsocooldude7720 Adnan was really close to Jay's girlfriend and her parents where more excepting of adnan then they where of Jay.
Mariah Pina And for that reason Jay would kill Hae of all people? How does that make any sense? Do you think he’s some kind of criminal mastermind and was able to frame Adnan? Seems extremely far fetched
Jay did it. He know everything about everything
Jay sus asf
What was his motive? And how could he possibly have killed Hae in the VERY short time between when Hae left school, but before she was to pick up her cousin. The distance between Woodlawn and this location is no more than 4 miles. How could Jay have killed her in this short period of time and why?
First Jay says he helped him dig the grave that was about 5 inches deep if I am remembering correctly and they both did equal work and NOWW he is saying that he didint help
ADNAN IS GUILTY!HOW MUCH PROOF DO YOU GUYS NEED?
1.It was a crime of passion, since there was no sexual assault on a beautiful young girl.So something personal, after 20 years of public scrutiny and media investigation, you'd think SOME other angle or motive would come out .But NONE. It leaves either don or adnan, and don couldnt have cuz jay knew so much including where the car is, so he wasnt bluffing. Inconsistencies in his story can be there, he's a human being with a personal life, he was tired of talking to the cops for hours and started just saying yes to their questions wthout thinking much.Secondly he admitted lying about seeing body in best buy, he actually saw it near his grandma house but back then he couldnt tell the police cuz he didnt want his grandma and family involved.
2.LOOK at adnan's reaction talking about Jay at 15th or 16th minute mark,just like in all other audio tapes, he barely sounds as angry or full of hate / resentment towards jay as ANYONE innocent would have if his very close loved one was murdered by Jay( if adnan is innocent has to jay the murderer cuz of things he knew) and leaving him spending his life in prison cuz of lies. Just listen to adnan talk, " dont wanna make accusation againts jay without proof", i was like WHAT? DUDE he killed her no innocent person would talk like that. He is just sticking to innocent because he knows his family specially mother would lose her mind with shock if he admits guilt.
JAY IS OBVIOUSLY THE KILLER!!! The shovels, dumping his clothes, he knew where Hae's car was. Just these few things seem more evidence than what they had on poor Adnan !
What would be his motive?
His motive is Adnan is the best friend of his girlfriend
@@faisofaisal9059 And killing Adnan's ex-girlfriend accomplishes what exactly? And how did Jay kill Hae in the very narrow time frame between when she left Woodlawn, but before she picked up her cousin at daycare, a trip of no more than 5 miles??
I’m convinced Jay knew nothing at all. He admitted to his ex girlfriend who he used to live with that he was told what to say by the police in order to get off of a drug charge a- he was caught with 10 pounds of weed which was serious time in Baltimore back then. He knows nothing hence why his story is all over the place and they spoke to him for 3 hours before they put the tape recorder on the second time they interviewed him. They told him what he had to do and say in order to get off.
@@milart12she didn’t pick up her cousin at daycare, she had been killed around 2:30 since school got out at 2:15, she had been strangled in the best buy parking lot and the best buy is 5 minutes away from the highschool, mae was buried at leakin park, a 10 minute drive, she would’ve been buried at around 3:00
now i have to do this for english homework, seems like everyone did it a year before me
@Abdullah Habibzai what do you have to do in homework, if I may ask?
@Abdullah Habibzai Damn that's alot
@Abdullah Habibzai that's terrific dude
I have to do this for English homework this semester.
You did it two years before me
When your just listening ahead of your class
datbiotch 0 literally
yes
It always confused me, if Jay had Adnan’s car and phone, why wasn’t he looked at as the suspect...
FOR REAL! It’s so unbelievable that Jay (To my knowledge) was basically let off with just a slap on the wrist.
FOR REAL! It’s so unbelievable that Jay (To my knowledge) was basically let off with just a slap on the wrist.
Because he talked before adnan did.
Because Jay is probably connected
And they reasoned Adnan killed Hae because his phone was there while the phone Jay had
Jay knows way more than Adnan, half this stuff isn't even close to what Adnan remembered i think Jay could he jealous bc he payed close attention to Stefanie like her birthday maybe it was revenge? Adnan took Stefanie so Jay couldve took hae?
Yup he tried to have sex w Hae for get back because of Adnan and Stephanie being close and him buying gifts for her birthday. Hae probably wasn’t having it so Jay choked her out of anger for not giving it up. Man seems like this all came down to the power of pussy. Plus the parents getting involved. She might still be alive if they didn’t start the downward spiral on there relationship.
@@nicholasblohm2744 Do you people actually think about what you're saying? She wasn't even his GF at the time? Why would he do that? He didn't know her and how would he get into Hae's Car? Not to mention the fact that there were no signs of struggle. And if he did it why would he tell Jen specific details of the crime that could possibly come back to him? Also if Jay blames Adnan and Adnan has an alibi then he's completely f*cked. If Jay did it and successfully set up Adnan then it's the crime of the century.
Jay Lat dude your comment makes no sense. Jay did know Hae enough, listen to the WHOLE podcast and undisclosed then watch documentary. Plus crime of century hardly. The detectives made it easy for jay. Luck sometimes goes in the favor of the perpetrator. I could go on but I’m done with this case. Not enough proof for conviction so Syed should get another trial. Remember the detectives said all they need is 51% suspicion on a suspect to go after him. Meaning the shoe doesn’t have to exactly fit, metaphorically speaking.
@@nicholasblohm2744 But 12 Jurors of his peers and the Appeals Courts all found that there was more than enough evidence to convict. That's my point. We shouldn't be opening up convictions based off of podcasts and documentaries which present at best paint an incomplete picture and at worst fabricated evidence. That's why we get these crazy theories accusing this person and that person of a murder. I bet you I could take any event from 20 years ago and do some revisionist history. Also, Undisclosed and the Documentary are trash and complete shills. People should read the actual trial transcripts and look at the exhibits. Then maybe they will see it's not even that close.
Jay Lat your lazy...especially your thoughts, god help us that we don’t have people like you in charge. Take your time and listen, Hell look the case up on your own without podcast. It’s public info. It’s a botched case. Investigation question to minors after a month, like they would remember. Jay story switches up still to this day. Baltimore cops are literally the dirtiest police in the nation and that’s my opinion before the podcast. The jury was mostly black and uneducated and the info of jay not doing a single day in jail. Plus you really think Jay would help w a DEAD BODY because he was scared of a weed case? So basically he thought I rather help with a DEAD BODY over getting caught with WEED?, cmon man! Give me weed case all day...no matter the amount! Plus if jay was scared he could have easily told the police when Syed called from the supposedly Best Buy to come get him. Send the police then and catch him red handed. Makes sense? Why defend Jay? I’m not sure he did it either, but he’s just has much a suspect. Do your homework and I’m sure you will eventually see. You comment back all you want, like I said before I’m done with this and already like the majority of the 200 million people that listen to the case, I have concluded that there should be another trial and so have the judges. It got blocked by another set of judges which cause conflict that ultimately says he needs another trial. Look I’m not saying Syed is innocent or guilty, he just needs another trial. For all we know Syed could have hired jay to kill Hae and when the pressure was on Jay flipped and snitched. In Chicago right now there are men getting released from prison after 20plus yrs because Chicago has a very dirty detective that was locking innocent men up to have a high number of cases closed which means a whole lot to detectives. Don’t tell me your one of those that thinks all cops are good? Smh...I’m done son. Hopefully you never end up in a situation where your telling the truth and innocent but still gets locked up for something you didn’t do.
Some actual interesting English homework, let’s go
It could simply just be Jay's jealousy with the friendship Adnan and Stephanie had together and so he must have though "he's taking something from me, so I will take something from him."
But he must have asked someone else to kill her for him, since apparently Jennifer says that she was with Jay the whole afternoon. Or it could be that Jennifer is lying.
Why didn’t any of these people run to the police and tell what happened? Everyone is acting like killing someone is no big deal. I don’t get it. This Jenn person sounds like she is lying. This whole story is so strange.
Monica Ingram While I do agree, it would appear that murders weren’t too uncommon in whatever town they were living in. I mean, the expression “If you’re digging to bury a body, chances are you’ll find someone else’s body” doesn’t come from nowhere.
@@BluenosedCash75 even then , you'd think the death of someone you knew first hand and the alleged murderer ,it'll make you feel some type of way. Everyone seems to brush it off as ordinary
Jay is clearly framing him and he changed his made up story to be from the street instead of the parking lot because he didn't want camera footage to show that they were never at best buy, discrediting him.
What would be Jays motive?
Did Hae recently break up with Jay? Lmao get real.
@@YoungHaveNot Maybe because Stephanie (his girlfriend) and her family didn't approve of Jay who was working a dead-end job right out of high school, whereas Stephanie's family liked Adnan who spent a lot of time together as he was going to college and was a bright student and athlete unlike Jay who never played sports.
Idk I still don't know if Adnan didn't do it but if I had to make a case it wasn't him, I'd point to Jay for the jealousy reason.
BUT the thing is, who is more likely to KILL Hae. Adnan called Hae three times the night before she went missing. Twice at 11 at night, and a third time at about 12:35 am. That's pretty late. She was at Don's place, probably fucking his brains out and that's what Adnan thought. The next day he asked Hae for a ride after school, but why?? He has his own car. And he said himself, Hae had to pick up her cousin so she doesn't do anything for anyone after school.
It's confusing as hell, but as we'll find out in later episodes, the truth and trial gets even muddier.
@@YoungHaveNot What motive serial killers have to kill someone?
@@naturevideo1170 its something called evidence. Jay didnt have time to kill her. He has witnesses to support his alibi.
Jay would have had to be near Haes school around 230 in order for him to kill her. He has eye witnesses he wasnt near her school at that time. Guess who was
21:39 what he’s actually saying is “can we stop for a second while I get my lies straight”
Listening to this after watching hbo documentary. Lots more info on this podcast.
i’m so happy this man got out..the way this man Jay is replying..everything is a lie 😂 and that girl was COACHEDDDD, what?? how did this even happen??
To get arrested for selling drugs, you got to have drugs on you. Someone just accusing you to the police can’t get you arrested, Jay. That’s lame.
It's obvious jay did it
Hannah Grace i think so too. I mean, would u ask a "casual acquaintance" of yours to help u dump a body?
yeah the jealous boyfriend who asked her for a ride that day then lied about it (which is exactly the plan Jay told the cops) and can remember vividly the day of her death until right after school where he conveniently forgets totally had nothing to do with it.
it was Adnan, Jay helped to bury the body.
mannysaurus19 there was no physical proof Adnan did it.
@@mannysaurus19 these people are either blind or dumb, why on earth would Jay kill Hae, not motive at all. No signs at all that hes jealous. Gtfoh
Was there ever a polygram on Jay?
Jay (allegedly) killed Hae because he was mad that Adnan and Stephanie were close friends, he was jealous, so he decided to kill Hae and put it on Adnan. This guy knows way too much, I really believe this was a setup...
Stephanie had a crush on Adnan, Adnan was just separated from Hae, Stephanie amd Adnan was spending more times together, definitely forms a motive!
More likely, Hae rejected Jay. And Jay being a radical rwnj throttled her. Toxic. Sexist. Misogynist.
Jay tried to hit on Hae, she rejected Jay.
Motive is toxic male ego.
Toxic male ego?...Then you say Jay did it? How silly is that. The only one with a toxic male ego is Adnan.
anyone else doing this for school?
Glad to hear that his been acquitted.
I feel like Jay is the real murderer!!
Why and how? What was his motive? Hae was supposed to pick up her cousin at daycare at around 3 PM. If Adnan did not kill Hae, she must have left Woodlawn unscathed a little after 2:30. The day care is 15-20 minutes away. How could Jay have killed her in this very narrow time frame?
Did anyone else notice that hae's body was found 127 feet away from the road and hae wrote in her journal Don's name 127 times
Wtf !!!
Holy guacamole
Holy cow!
no
And??? Don did it? That is ridiculous.
But wait.the girlfriend of Jay is called Stephanie, as in the prom princess who was mentioned in Hae Mins diary? Who was somehow dumped by Adnan to be with Hae? Crazy theory: Stephanie was in love with Adan and more than jealous of Hae, so she
got somehow in contact with Jay, ending up
planning to murder Hae Min and blaming it on
Adan as a punishment? The dna found on the
wheel in Haes car, could be Stephanies, who parked it there, so the story would make sense?
The damn police showed Jay pictures of the crime scene as they were interrogating him… wtf.. of course he knows where to find her and the police knew where the car was and led him to it… like. To me they wanted to solve this murder more than they cared if they actually had the perpetrator.
the last 10 seconds scared the shit out of me..... wtf
Jonathan Fang shits creepy
All they had to do was test the soil from the shovel
Her brother made the call
Kristopher Holiday - interesting theory...I didn’t think of that. 🤔
Hae's brother? or who's brother?
I was thinking it was either her brother or a close friend that knew about the situation..
Maybe Jay is trying to say that if he went to the police on a random thought of Anad about to kill Hae, he'd be considered a snitch and possibly get busted on in retaliation...Idk. Fishy
but he never even anonymously reported to the police that hae was murdered and her body was at that location he could've reported it after
Didn’t Jay say she was twisted up in the back seat..now it’s the trunk?
He did it, no question in my eyes.
Am I crazy or did Adnan admit in episode 1 or 2 that he let Jay take his car and cell phone to buy Stephanie a Xmas gift. But now your stating u don’t remember having any real conversations with him. That’s a direct contradiction to me because why would u entrust someone with your property you know nothing about? Guilty
To be fair, they were “drug buddies” and Adnan admitted to being high practically all the time. Pothead teenagers don’t always make great decisions.
Wow, just wow J. He seems to totally be involved. Selling weed vs murder? C'mon....
Jay is guilty - he did it.
I wonder at what point was Jay given a deal or immunity
I do not believe Jay for a second
Honestly this shit slaps to listen to in school
Slaps?? I'm old what does that mean
This is another case of cops failing to investigate right, obviously it was Jay
Are serious? Lol so he just decide to kill hae on the day adnan have him his car and phone? How did Jay get in hae’s car? How did Jay drive her car and adnan? Lol silly
@@iamlocksmithno one has seen Adnan and Jay together in Hae's car, Jay the lier says it happened, and you believe that lier?! Unbelievable!
@@iamlocksmithit seems you don't know anything about the case
How does this relate to English class? I am watching this for my law enforcement class.
Once Adnan over turns this case Jay needs too go too jail he clearly framed Adnan he should have at the least been an accomplice in this case the justice system failed Adnan and favored Jay this is complete BS wow just wow . Jay needs too be held accountable although Adnan will never get back all these prime years of his life Jay should be given the death penalty for throwing away Adnan’s life and framing him smdh this is sickening
Watching this on my senior year english class, this gets very interesting
Jay knows entirely too much how tf he know where the car was
Jay killed Hae. It's true cuz it rhymes
Jay was trying to get the cops to get Adnan for the murder but didn't want to seem like a rat so he gave all kind of different stories. He could always say the cops knew about the murder and asked me but I gave them a bunch of different stories
O m g 🙄 major criminal element with a rap shee...line.
Who here from ERWC 2020?🤦🏻♂️😭
is it too dumb to assume but could there be another suspect other than adnan and jay? i don't know maybe adnan is actually innocent, and jay somehow got involved or wanted to involve for his sake? he's definitely hiding something.
Look at the last episode
Without the car, Jay’s testimony is just as circumstantial as Asia McCain’s, so why did that seal Adnan’s fate?
Could her family be responsible maybe even her brother?? I know she said she was sexually abused by a family member.
This is my theory. This mysterious “Asian” caller.
If Jay knew that Adnan killed Hae, and helped to dig the ditch or atleast knew where she was buried, then why did he not inform the police after the Murder ?
When he reached his home, why didnt he call the police later ?
And why didnt he inform the police where the body was buried ?
Like why was he keeping quiet all the time till the Cops were at his doorstep ?
Why did he use his shovel rather than Adnan's, why did Jay burn his clothes after the murder where he didn't do any crime ?
He did things meticulously like a killer.
He knew where Hae's car was ?
Either Jay was the Murderer, and he fed the Adnan story to his GF to save himself. Or Jay was accomplice and it was someone else who killed her. There is no way Jay had not interest or connection with the murder. He was part of it.
Of course, he was. He helped Adnan bury the body???? But he had no reason to kill Hae??? He didn't tell the police because he was an accessory after the fact.
Jay did that shit
yo who else is still here for school
👋🏽
"a look of puzzlement like "who, Jay?" - Oh, just the guy who you loaned your brand new cell phone and car and hung out with him all day, yeah that guy!
Probably Jay stole Adnan's car, Hae spotted him with the car in best buy parking lot and tried to report him. Jay kidnapped her, took her to leakin Park and killed her. Adnan's cellphone was in the car, he may have called on his phone and Jay had taken the call and said it was just a joke. So Adnan said, come pick me up and Jay said come to best buy, I'll hand your car over there.
Whaaat? Adnan has admitted that he GAVE his car and phone to Jay. Why would Hae be in the Best Buy parking lot? She was on her way to pick up her cousin. This is easily the silliest post I have seen. And there have been a lot of silly posts.
That’s how I live my life, I don’t believe anything anyone tells me unless I verify it myself. Being a pathological believer is dangerous as fucc.
Well now I know not to call my occasional pot dealer after I murder someone. You just can't trust anyone to help you bury a body anymore apparently.
Awesome
IDK...the story actually sounds credible to me because he adds the detail about getting a ride from the victim as part of the plan, which is a detail Adnan lies about and others corroborate as something that happened. You asked if that was a little or big flag. Um, it's a pretty big red flag if your murderer's plan to lure a victim is a detail HE lies about and OTHERS corroborate.
Adnan is innocent!
And pigs can fly
@@YoungHaveNot and you are stupid
yall skip to the end where she goes "B E Z CHICAGO"
Friggin AWESOME.......
Sarah Kanic beliefs Anon did not do it that he seems to innocent.??
Manny G must be related to Jay because he is here fighting everyone about their opinion on every video. Get over it.
Adnan killed Hae however Jay was more involved than he's letting on. Jay was aware of this days, weeks before it happened and probably for money agreed to help with the csr, phone and body.
I have to learn this in english class
He probably that the camera's at Best Buy would prove that he was lying?
The evidence they have against Adnan is all circumstancial, but does point to his guilt. It bothers me that there wasn't a lot of scientific evidence. Doesn't seem like the investigation had much testing done, as far as DNA and fingerprints go. I just dont know why so many techniques were skipped during the investigation.
Jay's story changes a bit, but I see how someone would try to bend the truth to minimize their own involvement. More details come out only when pressed.
While I can't imagine helping someone with any part of a murder, I understand how it would feel unsafe to go against someone, knowing they have already KILLED. You don't want them seeing you as a threat because you know too much. Helping the person might seem to be the only safe choice, when in the moment, nd face-to-face, alone.
Jenn just sounds like such a liar, she speaks the way people speak when they are lying.
Also:
"Unless adnan paid Jay a big sum of money" uhhhh why would you just add a "unless" scenario to that kind of convo, put of nowhere? If you telling the truth you don't just come with an "unless" unprompted like that, maybe after a while you would but it's just such a weird thing to add
Wasn't hae dating a older guy after adnan
And I think he is the suspect
beta gaming he was cleared after his boss confirmed that he was at work that day at the time of the murder
@@Z6221-t3t his 'boss' was his mum. ofc she was going to clear him . Also someone who worked at that work place said don was not working that day.
@@irsahhameed5821 yes and he seems shady to me. It a shame he was not in the court room from the defence side swearing in court or being put in contempt for lying
Lol
My theory so far is that Jay was hired by the ex that’s why jay had the ex’s car and phone while the ex went to the library and track practice for an alibi...the ex told lee that his car wasn’t working earlier on in the day at school so later on when she got a text from the ex’s 2nd phone to help her by picking him up she didn’t question it or if it was even the ex cause he told her he might need her help but it was Jay who texted her...the ex helped her with her car troubles before so even if she didn’t want to go and help him she owed him a favor...and also when the ex went to help lee with her car he found out about the new boyfriend Dawn the hot older smarter blond blue eye guy that had no issues/baggage with family and religion and would t need to keep their relationship a secret and Dawn wasn’t just another stupid fuckboy like the ex was either...Jay had the rep for being the bad boy and the ex and Jay seem like they are closer then they let on to the cops to keep it almost like “strangers on a train” style of a hired hit but it doesn’t work if you know each other at all...being “strangers” is the key they didn’t keep to the story line...just a lil of what I’m thinking... and he got the 2nd phone like two days or at least right before the day lee was killed I don’t buy his reason for getting that 2nd phone...and who the f*** has a burner phone (throw away phones)...?! Drug dealers or cheaters that’s who...!! They’re both guilty...Jen doesn’t sound right about the facts in her story either.
Nobody used text back than
No one is pointing to the anonymous call... it could be that person together with Jay who did it, and pinned it on Adnan... this can happen... there's a note claiming that he will make her disappear... it could be that person who made that anonymous call... this's very much possible... Jay had Adnan's car and phone... they knew even if Jay get caught, will blame it on Adnan... 🧐
But Jay wasn't their when the car was dumped he said he left before the body was buried but then was their during and left after but never mentioned being their while dumping the car so how did he know
Jay was there when the car was dumped. He led police to the car, which had yet to be discovered. Before he led them to the car, he told them about a broken turn signal indicator inside the car, which he said Adnan told him Hae had kicked & broken while she struggled as Adnan strangled her.
Jay is starting to look real guilty
Of what--murdering Hae? Why?
@@milart12 There's a note which was hidden by the state, and now used by defense, which says: I'll make her(Hae) disappear. I think Jay did it with the person who made the anonymous call, after Jay was investigated the first time. They planned it well, Jay got Adnan's phone and Car, they knew even if Jay get caught, they'll pin it on Adnan.
Is the mall nearby where the victim suppose to pick up her nephew/niece? If that's the case, Jay was going to the mall to buy Stephanie a birthday gift.
I don't believe jen for saying that Jay was with her at her place. There no proof for it besides that she says so, but like her good friend Jay who lies much, she obviously is too.
Adan did it and got away with it😂 W Pakistan
I find it hard to believe that you don’t remember the day your ex girlfriend died. I had an ex boyfriend pass away in high school and every second of that day sticks out in my mind. Even though I had absolutely no contact with him.
Anissa Marcone I lost my dad last year and that entire day is a blur to me
@@nxx4872 right, same here
I think it differs in every situation. I was only 5 when my younger brother died but I can vividly recall what happened that day. Two weeks ago, my close friend died but I cant remember what happened that day.
My brother died 3 years ago and I could never even begin to tell you the events that played out that day, where I went, who I went with, what time I went. Also, no one knew she was dead until 3 weeks later.
I understand all that my mother died as well. My point is, he didn’t know for a majority of the day. So he wasn’t in a depressed stupor the whole day.
@2:01 when Americans say "Asian" they mean East Asian, (Korea, China, Japan etc.) Rest assured.
Did Jay hide the car or Adnan?
I have a feeling iys Jay since his statement in the first episode
The condom and the liquor make me think they both were involved. Unfortunately looks like Jay pointed the finger on his weed "buddy". I'm happy I stumbled across this podcast case.
I have NO idea why anyone believes that Adnan is innocent.
Seriously