shoutouts hbox for leaving the mic after the set was over. too often people would stay at the mic throughout the weekend and itd be awkward to have the post set interviews
This set is #relatable content for the Falco mains. The sickest thing about Mango's bird is just that he intuitively knows how to not get janked tf out lmao
Now days everyone wants to talk. Like they got something to say but nothing comes out. Then they move their lips it's a buncha gibberish. But they forgot about PPMD
My favourite thing about Mango is that he doesn't use chaingrabs or anything like that. This is such a good matchup when the fox isn't making FD boring
@@Ale_LSH I think he means that in melee people are going to be at least a little more familiar with any character in the game since there aren't as many plus the game has been out a lot longer. Where as in ultimate there is a lot more diversity in mains even among top competitors
@@PremixedDoge But there's still way more variety in Melee because of how differently each player plays each character and all the different tech and depth for each character. In Ultimate the gameplay is much more flowcharty, so the concept wouldn't work nearly as well.
Premixed Doge That's a possible misconception. Melee manages to have more game plans and playstyle diversity with less characters due to the flexibility of its mechanics. As another user said -- characters handle almost completely different at tournament level in Melee. (Minus a few optimized approaches.) Ultimate's characters share more static setups(For example, how many characters want to follow up a Throw with an Up-Air?) and by both removing a large portion of techs (both individual and universal) and simplifying most of the characters' neutral game they're imposing massive restrictions on their uniqueness. For the majority of the roster in Ultimate you mainly need to understand the Niche options that some of the opponent's characters possess. Very few characters in Ultimate require more than Intermediate Execution/Basic Technicality. An intermediate+ understanding (or exploitation) of the character is valued more in Ultimate than creativity and technical ability. *Tl;dr There are multiple viable playstyles for each character in Melee that all require near complete mastery and equal levels of insane execution. Where as in Ultimate each character is simplified in comparison and rarely requires more than intermediate execution and good timing.* (The both require intricate understanding of the matchup to succeed over a Top 20 opponent.) Ultimate does have a few radically different characters such as Bayonetta, Cloud, Diddy, Shulk etc, but their mechanics are simplified to the point that most competitors can perform everything that the characters (outside of Shulk apparently) offer within a day of practice.
@@EricGoingCrazy I figured like everything else he said he would never do (shield drops, ledge dashes, etc) that he would eventually start using chain grabs more often. He's done it a couple times but very rarely. If he plans to start using Fox more like he said it's something he really needs to add to his game already.
Well if this was accurately switching mains, mango would be bitching about hungrybox, and leffen would just pretend like he’s better than everyone. Oh wait....
Dude it's kind of sad watching Hbox just leave the mic and watching from the corner after Leffen walks down. Melee has been around for like 5ever, can't we just grow up and get along already? I'm wouldn't call myself an Hbox fan really, but..like just let guy hang man! Shit
@@evanq9743 I mean.. bad example though lol the guy Hbox has beef with isn't any of the Americans there, it's the Swedish guy. Also I'm American and saying everyone should just get along lol
Sometimes whoever sits on that middle chair leaves after the set for the people who just played to talk. Maybe it's cuz of that and there actually isn't any drama?
I love mango, everybody loves mango. But when you watch a set like this it gets so obvious that maybe we should chill just a little bit with the mango love. The way Vish is so focused on his reactions: “mango is laughing after every stock”, the way they talk about his history and have theories about his mindset, the way they all laugh when they heard him say “sick Falco dude”. He is just a man! He might be the sickest player but dang... that level of social worship is a bit blatant.
Sick falco dude
This is just mangos other main lmao
So not fair, he has almost equal mains!
George Rosebush but leffen used to main falco
Should've made him go Yoshi
@@calebweiss661 maybe like 10 years ago lol
nah that’s mario
8:12 is indicative of the Fox/Falco matchup.
Before the game: lets not handwarmer
After the game: I lost because I didn't warm up
that's the leffen
True combo
@@Shyverin lose into john?
@@jsss5060 John into lose into john
yea lmao i’m pretty sure he didn’t mang0 to warm up either shiiiiiii
@@davidvilela4347 pre-john into lose into post-john
Mang0’s laugh after G1 killed me oh man
Mangos plot armor thrown off by the unusual matchup and recalibrating itself half ways through each set, haha
Mang0 vs Mang0's ego
shoutouts hbox for leaving the mic after the set was over. too often people would stay at the mic throughout the weekend and itd be awkward to have the post set interviews
He timed it so it felt natural as well. Saw Leff coming down the stairs and walked off while he was on his way to the mic.
Thought you were being sarcastic lol
I really like hungrybox. Don't get why so many people hate him
9:24 that's the most gangster up-air I've ever seen
fox privilege strikes again LOL
Leffen's face is screaming when his Dair didnt beat U air
Last stock might be the most falco thing ever, shine spiked, clipped, double lazers...
This set is #relatable content for the Falco mains. The sickest thing about Mango's bird is just that he intuitively knows how to not get janked tf out lmao
Zain says otherwise.
@@wrath5332 zain aint Jank tho hé the truth
this reverse mains is amazing, what a great idea!
I love when the bracket plays out as predicted
This is the most Mango set I have ever seen
9:31 imagine double lazering from ledge
That's not safe
3:06
sick neutral and punish, jankiest deaths: a common day in falco's life
Reverse main Mango Fox is just his other main because he dual mains spacies
USED to dual main them. He said hes gonna try and solo falco from what ive heard but im not too sure yet
Austin H. That was last year. He pulls out the fox now time to time
Yeah he has only used fox like 3-4 times for Hbox in 2019, otherwise he plays solo falco
Big leff. La croix dehydrates you. It's not hydrating like water. Stay safe out there
No hand warmer then complain about not warmed up... that’s the Leffen and I love it
Reverse bracket was so hype, hope they include it in the next summit
They're having so much fun. Could we be seeing a blackmirror S05E01 in the future?
"Keep it in the family" lmao
8:20 HMW's laugh made it that much better
that's chillindude dude
that's chillindude
8:18 we gonna talk about chillins laugh here?
Seth rogan
He may forgiven, but not forgotten the 5-0
Fox’s up air beating falco’s down air was weird
Watching leffen play with Falco is like a blissful fever dream what the hell
This is the *canon match-up.*
Unironically the funniest set of Melee I've ever watched
"how did that up air beat my down air" Leffen complaining about fox now lmao
9:30 Moon where you at?
This matchup is always funny to watch
SICK FALCO......
That ending backair had the knockback of a knee lol
9:34 Anyone know what he said?
Sal J. I think he said I’ve never seen someone as lucky as you
Mew2Kid2 I figured it out, he said "I've never seen somebody be that lucky in a 3-0". Thanks
Leffen going back to 2010, when he was a Blue Falco.
I'm concerned for your health after having commented on every smash video ever made
@@EpicWEpig ^^^
Hbox pre-emptively laughing at the edge guard at 6:50 is funny as fuck
Corporate needs you to find the differences between this picture and this picture.
*Fox* *Falco*
They're the same picture.
the only people that think fox and falco are the same are ones that have never invested any amount of time into actually getting good at melee
"Sick Falco, dude." I'm fucking DEAD
What were they saying at the end of the match
That double laser to end the set XD
hugo exclusively speaks in tweets
Now days everyone wants to talk.
Like they got something to say but nothing comes out.
Then they move their lips it's a buncha gibberish.
But they forgot about PPMD
2013 ZULUL
Johns on a deeper level
My favourite thing about Mango is that he doesn't use chaingrabs or anything like that. This is such a good matchup when the fox isn't making FD boring
Aún amo el melee sobre todos los smashes
The rare 3-0 where you get completely outplayed
Are they using project slippi?
That’s the mang0
I feel like leffen won the set even though he got 3-0ed haha wtf
Why is the footage so crispy
i think they switch to slippy footage, see how when the set begin around 1:32 when it goes from normal to crisp.
Slippi my man. It's glorious.
This would be a way cooler concept in ultimate where people would actually be playing unfamiliar characters
Yeah man Pikachu and Yoshi are super familiar characters in bracket.
@@Ale_LSH I think he means that in melee people are going to be at least a little more familiar with any character in the game since there aren't as many plus the game has been out a lot longer. Where as in ultimate there is a lot more diversity in mains even among top competitors
@@PremixedDoge But there's still way more variety in Melee because of how differently each player plays each character and all the different tech and depth for each character. In Ultimate the gameplay is much more flowcharty, so the concept wouldn't work nearly as well.
Premixed Doge That's a possible misconception.
Melee manages to have more game plans and playstyle diversity with less characters due to the flexibility of its mechanics.
As another user said -- characters handle almost completely different at tournament level in Melee.
(Minus a few optimized approaches.)
Ultimate's characters share more static setups(For example, how many characters want to follow up a Throw with an Up-Air?) and by both removing a large portion of techs (both individual and universal) and simplifying most of the characters' neutral game they're imposing massive restrictions on their uniqueness.
For the majority of the roster in Ultimate you mainly need to understand the Niche options that some of the opponent's characters possess.
Very few characters in Ultimate require more than Intermediate Execution/Basic Technicality.
An intermediate+ understanding (or exploitation) of the character is valued more in Ultimate than creativity and technical ability.
*Tl;dr
There are multiple viable playstyles for each character in Melee that all require near complete mastery and equal levels of insane execution.
Where as in Ultimate each character is simplified in comparison and rarely requires more than intermediate execution and good timing.*
(The both require intricate understanding of the matchup to succeed over a Top 20 opponent.)
Ultimate does have a few radically different characters such as Bayonetta, Cloud, Diddy, Shulk etc, but their mechanics are simplified to the point that most competitors can perform everything that the characters (outside of Shulk apparently) offer within a day of practice.
but this is just Mango’s other main LMAO
Summit is amazing
wheres scar and toph at
Mango didn't even chaingrab. I know it's Mango but god damn. He had to win neutral 3 times more just because of that.
Chaingrabbing is never the Mango way, idk what made you expect that would happen
@@EricGoingCrazy I figured like everything else he said he would never do (shield drops, ledge dashes, etc) that he would eventually start using chain grabs more often.
He's done it a couple times but very rarely. If he plans to start using Fox more like he said it's something he really needs to add to his game already.
Best thing of summit
The commentators threw so much shade at Leffen lol. They literally don’t say anything when he does some awesome combos.
top teir content
oh i wonder whos gonna win
big leff sipping on his la croix 👀
Hefty Hjelte
Thirtied again by the nation
Beautiful end. He does the mango double lazer and just gets fucking baired. Fox privilege. Leffen says this matchup is hard for fox btw.
Mang0 is so fucking funny lmao
wat, what's the difference
Hungrybox left as soon as leffen and mango came he was like fuck
Well if this was accurately switching mains, mango would be bitching about hungrybox, and leffen would just pretend like he’s better than everyone. Oh wait....
The close 3-0
tfw hbox says neutral is a myth and you have to reevaluate your entire life
that was the jankiest nair into falco game 2
Double lazor off the edge that isn't safe leffen lmfao
That game one is such a meme
He says leffen will win evo but how tho
When mango plays more fox, but is listed as a falco main, lul
he definitely didn't play more fox at this time
Why doesn't Mango chain grab?
He thinks its boring
Lol, thanks for the answer
@@giorgiolombardo2165 np
cuz its lame
Leffs falco is impressive
LOCAL TIME
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Leffen was a falco main too ya know
Mango playing fox, and leffen playing falco... wtf am I watching
THATS NOT SAFE
who else surprised hbox thinks neutral is a myth
I think that was a joke
Fucking mango laugh I love it
3:58 thank me later
4:08
Tekken IS sick
That’s not safe
this shits so funny
That ain't pp
How you gonna have a reverse main comp when practically everyone uses the same characters.
Leffen makes weird faces when he plays
Hardest top tier vs the easiest
TEKKEN TEKKEN TEKKEN
Dude it's kind of sad watching Hbox just leave the mic and watching from the corner after Leffen walks down. Melee has been around for like 5ever, can't we just grow up and get along already? I'm wouldn't call myself an Hbox fan really, but..like just let guy hang man! Shit
It's the american mentality, they seek conflict with everyone all the time.
@@evanq9743 I mean.. bad example though lol the guy Hbox has beef with isn't any of the Americans there, it's the Swedish guy.
Also I'm American and saying everyone should just get along lol
@@tweak3871 in this particular situation it's leffen hating hbox but historically its mostly been other Americans hating on hbox
Sometimes whoever sits on that middle chair leaves after the set for the people who just played to talk. Maybe it's cuz of that and there actually isn't any drama?
I think it's better than the two of them beefing on the mic. Leff had just played so it was kinda his turn to talk anyway.
I love mango, everybody loves mango. But when you watch a set like this it gets so obvious that maybe we should chill just a little bit with the mango love. The way Vish is so focused on his reactions: “mango is laughing after every stock”, the way they talk about his history and have theories about his mindset, the way they all laugh when they heard him say “sick Falco dude”. He is just a man! He might be the sickest player but dang... that level of social worship is a bit blatant.
TEKKEN
now we only need Hbox vs Mang0 want to see the crowned puff again
Reverse Main quarterfinals ....
already happened g 💀
@@ariesomega2487 well fuck me for being lazy lol
You need Jesus
Lmao
Dude, there is a big difference between their skills, leffen is so much better than mango !!!
julio ruiz Leffen has better skill than Mango but Mango is Mango
Sick falco dude