Glad you boys have seen the light 👍 I sold my Sting after 45 miles and bought the Ultra Bee. I am 6ft 2 and the bike fits me much better, it’s as you say so plush feeling riding it, the suspension is brilliant out the box. I have a new chain and sprocket along with a 21/18 wheel and tyre set on the way as well. Keep up your amazing works gents you keep knocking it out the park 👍👍
Nice John! We were extremely impressed with the bike and those 18/21 will be a game changer for you. We still like our small bikes for a lot of places we ride but where we rode this it was the king!
loving my 2 so far, faster than my 72v lbx! have x9000, sprocket tires ready to go on just have to stop riding it. get it back to warp 9 asap so they can do more development
Awww man i CANNOT wait! I have been engulfed in the ebike hype for a month or so now and wanted something like a Surron but knew I was gonna be too big for it (6'2" 240lbs). This is gonna be just perfect! Gonna ride it stock for a while but down the rode I can definitely see myself having the 18/21 set and the Shinko 777 on the OEM wheels. Street cruiser to dirt monster in minutes!
Would love a comparison of the Ultra vs a 72v Sting R with EXT full suspension both with 21/18 wheels. I guess price for that would be $9000 Sting R (after selling parts/battery) vs $7500 Ultra Bee with the upgraded wheels. Some speed and suspension feel test would be awesome.
Coming in a couple weeks! Not exactly what you want but very close! The ultra we are riding is a little more upgraded battery and power wise but stock suspension
@Talaria Boys What size sprocket did they have installed on it? I have an Ultra Bee on the way and am trying to decide on the Warp 9 54T or 58T. Thanks.
My 145 pound, 73" length Talaria (Sting R MX4) fits in my Honda Pilot. What does the Ultra Bee weigh? (I know the Ultra Bee won't fit in my Pilot.) Thanks, Talaria Boys!
The second rider said he wouldn't take it on tight single track. Why not. I've been riding 300s and 500s on tight single track forever, why not that thing. So, range? Weight? Cost?
@Talaria Boys yeah, I get that. The biggest issue with my Talaria is, the lower foot pegs in rough, rocky terrain. Had a few close calls with the toes.
I personally think the whole point of buying electric bikes is for the stealthiness of being able to ride around town and being pretty affordable. The Surron super Bee is not stealthy or cheap. I would just buy a real dirt bike at that point just in my opinion. My opinion also doesn't mean shit cuz I've never rode an electric bike 😂 I just ride dirt bikes so I'm biased lol. Great review keep up the hard work your content is awesome! Look forward to some more Sting r and 3x content 😜.
The main benefits of these type of bikes are 1. much easier to make legal or legally presenting with plug and play accessories to make it register-able if desirable or at least look legal. 2. Quietness, generally your less likely to get yelled at and have pissed off people on your tail riding these since they are extremely quiet 3. No fuel cost…. Well about a .10 each charge in reality 4. Low maintenance, most e-bikes especially these types can basically go No maintenance for thousandsss of miles. Last is definitely a preference thing but many of us are interested in electric vehicles in general due to the uniqueness and nicheness and so many benefits to them even health/long term wise.
I just went to my motorcycle dealership and test drove a KTM free ride. Electric bikes are not for me I will stick to the real deal! I laughed when they said it will probably only do 30 mi and takes 3 hours to charge. I ride legit single track and do 100 Mile loops everyday for the whole weekend no way this electric bike will do that and the performance of this machine compares to a 125. I ride a 300XC KTM. Even the guy trying to sell the bike laughed at me and told me to buy another 300xc 😂. I'm more interested in the $4500 gray zone electric bikes for riding around town and poaching mountain bike trails.
@@barryhallsack8852 again, like I said already, this is only the beginning. Eventually, electric bikes will have more range than gas powered and many times more instant torque.
my Sting R will come next week,Im little dissapointed that I ordered the Sting R...Ultra bee looks very comfy for bigger riders.I wonder what is the top speed on the Ultra compared to the R,and also which bike has more torque and range
Hello from France I have a Talaria 3000 and don't want to go faster but had more range to stroll. Can you do a range test ? At 27mph and at 50mph like talaria 3000 and 4000 on road. Or what you think is the range at 27mph and 50mph. Or in eco mode and sport. I'm looking for a Ultra bee or Storm bee.
The Stark Varg is in it's own class for sure! There's a video where a guy had the varg on the dyno at the 60hp mapping and along all points on the powercurve it beat a stock 2023 Yamaha YZ 450 by heaps. Stock bike to stock bike. The KTM freeride on paper has more power stock at over 18KW but is definitely heaiver. I was disapponited the range wasn't better with the ultra bee, but it is neat that is so capable and still only a mid-sized bike. I have an Admit Jet armor 72v 70ah battery that is up to 25.2KW at peak power with good range which is about double the power of the ultra on paper, but it's a full sized heavy bike but neither is going to be discreet around town so they both are too big to go unnoticed.
@@seandean352I'm in the process of ordering either the admitjet armor or the ultra bee.. which one would you prefer performance and quality wise?.. i want the admitjet due to more power but idk if it will last as long as the ultra bee in long distance everyday riding.. whats do you suggest?
That’s a tough question to answer fairly because they are both still quite a bit different. If you feel that the 12.5kw power of the ultra bee is enough usable power (I’d say most of the time it is in the woods, but not on a track most likely) then the ultra bee has really good build quality and simplicity. On the other hand, if you want to venture into “closer” (about 7/8th of full size) to a full sized electric motocross/enduro bike, the admitjet is quite good. It has good build quality, but not quite to par with the ultra bee. It has plenty of power and gears and a clutch, but operation is less simple and the gears can feel clunky at times. The admitjet is not quite as polished as the ultra but has great range with the 70ah battery, range tests has been beyond the ultra from what I’ve seen in several instances. If I wanted to save some weight, make riding a little more simple, and not go full on I’d get the ultra bee. I’d get the jet if you want full power out of the box and full size and weight. Just expect a few more small quirks.
@@seandean352 i guess ill go for the jet first and if its too much ill sell it (hopefully before something breaks) and get the ultra bee after seeing that the ultra bee has a range of aftermarket parts.. im just afraid that the jet might come with some problems I can't resolve and heard that the company has poor customer service but ill keep my fingers crossed
@framestomind7548 definitely the Talaria XXX. The Surron Light Bee and Talaria R (MX4) are good, but bigger and less stealth. The Surron Ultra is a beast that will look like a dirtbike and totally not street legal. For offroad or if you are a bigger guy or have more of a budget ($6.5k) the Ultra is superb.
@@leetjohnson I need a vehicle that can travel 3 hours in about 35-45 miles per hour as a city commute from the country side and back home ...I am 5'9 but 191 pounds,, am an adult but used to ride small mopeds all the time as a teen.. I do not wanna take a MC card due to the costs and time for all such things. and I hate electric heavy bikes to sit with bicycle pedal assist.. is not my cup of tea... I rather ride my fixed gear bicycle than those heavy pedal assist e bikes.. so am looking for an electric motorcycle styled moped that one will not need a MC card with but can go further and keep up to some comfortable speed to go 3 hours back and forth but still be fun off road at the same time... Otherwise I must look for a 50 cc.. do you ride those as well? any 50 cc you can recommend I that case? thanks for getting back!
@framestomind7548 right on! I'd say that you should stick with the xxx but all of these edirtbikes are over 100lbs. If you want to be able to hold 35 to 45mph range, will be an issue with a small battery, therefore the weight is a sort of necessary evil, especially for commuting. Do you have charging available when you get to work? I don't think many ebikes or edirtbikes can go 3 to 4 hours on a single charge at those speeds. Depending on how many miles, it almost sounds like you need a full on bike...because these can be impounded by cops in certain areas too. Lots to think about....50cc.moped or scooter might actually make more sense then electric, for your scenario.
My only real ckncern is the belt drive. I ride a lot if enduro where is muddy and wet. I've heard the belt is beefier snd better protected but its still a worry. I have a deal on a KTM Freeride for $6,900 low mileage with two batteries. Hmmm...
Bought the bike last Saturday, literally rained all weekend. On Monday came down with the Flu and have been laid up since. 😷 I took it out for a 4 mi cruise through the wood but was only really feeling things out. I plan to put 50mi or so on it this week. I'll let you know what I think.
Hey Talaria Boys, love your content. I've been considering the Sting R, but I just watched SurRonsters review video where he said that at 30% Sting R has extremely noticeable power sag, he shows a demo of it at this point in the video: ruclips.net/video/3VAJMqrYpMc/видео.html , Have you guys noticed that at low battery %?
I saw that, too, There must’ve been something wrong with his bike. You don’t notice a power decrease until about 5%. We have tested a lot of talaria R’s and have never had this issue
The drone shots in this video were very impressive. Good stuff fellas.
That is what I was thinking. That was really nice. No one else is doing that near as well. Great job!
Glad you boys have seen the light 👍 I sold my Sting after 45 miles and bought the Ultra Bee. I am 6ft 2 and the bike fits me much better, it’s as you say so plush feeling riding it, the suspension is brilliant out the box. I have a new chain and sprocket along with a 21/18 wheel and tyre set on the way as well. Keep up your amazing works gents you keep knocking it out the park 👍👍
Nice John! We were extremely impressed with the bike and those 18/21 will be a game changer for you. We still like our small bikes for a lot of places we ride but where we rode this it was the king!
I love the Ultra Bee but it's too long to fit in my car. Do you know the weight?
192lbs 👍
Definitely need to see a range test on this before I'd consider buying.
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Would love to see more Ultra Bee content
Dudeeee the drone shots are so good. Whoever flew the drone ur a legend! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks! Lance is a professional drone pilot. It comes in handy all the time!
Those FPV shots make this so Rad!
loving my 2 so far, faster than my 72v lbx! have x9000, sprocket tires ready to go on just have to stop riding it. get it back to warp 9 asap so they can do more development
Awww man i CANNOT wait! I have been engulfed in the ebike hype for a month or so now and wanted something like a Surron but knew I was gonna be too big for it (6'2" 240lbs). This is gonna be just perfect! Gonna ride it stock for a while but down the rode I can definitely see myself having the 18/21 set and the Shinko 777 on the OEM wheels. Street cruiser to dirt monster in minutes!
Those tiny jumps look quite fun,,, you guys are lucky to have such spots,, have fun
These kids look like the guys i use to sell 20$ grams too😂😂😂
I sold everyone 20 dollar grams lol
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you’re a good rider for not having a dirt bike, that bike needs a full face helmet though bro be safe
Thanks! Yes it does need a full face and we had them on.
Would love a comparison of the Ultra vs a 72v Sting R with EXT full suspension both with 21/18 wheels. I guess price for that would be $9000 Sting R (after selling parts/battery) vs $7500 Ultra Bee with the upgraded wheels. Some speed and suspension feel test would be awesome.
Coming in a couple weeks! Not exactly what you want but very close! The ultra we are riding is a little more upgraded battery and power wise but stock suspension
Guys, I'm in Orem, UT. Where is this trail please? Thanks
@Talaria Boys What size sprocket did they have installed on it? I have an Ultra Bee on the way and am trying to decide on the Warp 9 54T or 58T. Thanks.
54 tooth it was really fun!
Do a range test please
My 145 pound, 73" length Talaria (Sting R MX4) fits in my Honda Pilot. What does the Ultra Bee weigh? (I know the Ultra Bee won't fit in my Pilot.) Thanks, Talaria Boys!
187 lbs stock and maybe 192 with the bigger wheels and tires
@@Talariaboys That kinds of weight partially explains the smoothness you guys talk about when riding the Ultra Bee. Thank you for your reply.
The second rider said he wouldn't take it on tight single track. Why not. I've been riding 300s and 500s on tight single track forever, why not that thing. So, range? Weight? Cost?
What I meant was I would rather ride my smaller sting R on tighter trails. But this bike is fully capable of riding in tight trails.
@Talaria Boys yeah, I get that. The biggest issue with my Talaria is, the lower foot pegs in rough, rocky terrain. Had a few close calls with the toes.
There always one 😱
I got a deposit on the Canadian version of the xxx. Wondering if I should spend the extra and get a mx4 or a surron 🤔🤔
I personally think the whole point of buying electric bikes is for the stealthiness of being able to ride around town and being pretty affordable. The Surron super Bee is not stealthy or cheap. I would just buy a real dirt bike at that point just in my opinion. My opinion also doesn't mean shit cuz I've never rode an electric bike 😂 I just ride dirt bikes so I'm biased lol. Great review keep up the hard work your content is awesome! Look forward to some more Sting r and 3x content 😜.
The main benefits of these type of bikes are
1. much easier to make legal or legally presenting with plug and play accessories to make it register-able if desirable or at least look legal.
2. Quietness, generally your less likely to get yelled at and have pissed off people on your tail riding these since they are extremely quiet
3. No fuel cost…. Well about a .10 each charge in reality
4. Low maintenance, most e-bikes especially these types can basically go No maintenance for thousandsss of miles.
Last is definitely a preference thing but many of us are interested in electric vehicles in general due to the uniqueness and nicheness and so many benefits to them even health/long term wise.
Electric power is the future. The instant torque from a dig on electric power is unbeatable by gas power. This is only the beginning.
I just went to my motorcycle dealership and test drove a KTM free ride. Electric bikes are not for me I will stick to the real deal! I laughed when they said it will probably only do 30 mi and takes 3 hours to charge. I ride legit single track and do 100 Mile loops everyday for the whole weekend no way this electric bike will do that and the performance of this machine compares to a 125. I ride a 300XC KTM. Even the guy trying to sell the bike laughed at me and told me to buy another 300xc 😂. I'm more interested in the $4500 gray zone electric bikes for riding around town and poaching mountain bike trails.
@@barryhallsack8852 again, like I said already, this is only the beginning. Eventually, electric bikes will have more range than gas powered and many times more instant torque.
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Hydrogen YZ250F will have a lot to say about the Surron being the future.
Looks like fun.
It definitely is!
my Sting R will come next week,Im little dissapointed that I ordered the Sting R...Ultra bee looks very comfy for bigger riders.I wonder what is the top speed on the Ultra compared to the R,and also which bike has more torque and range
I got my sting R a few days ago and it’s the best toy I’ve ever bought, don’t be disappointed it’s super fun !
how big are you?
@@scarab40 im 183cm 83kg,i had an Surron before the Sting R it fel a little small,i hope The R is a little bigger than the Light Bee
@@lyubomiryordanov9246 I hope so too. I will get mine in a few days
@@scarab40 did you get yours? what’s the impression
TOP!
What website can I buy this on?
So how/where can you actually buy a Ultra Bee in the US?
Is the ultra bee belt drive? And what wheel and tire setup is that on the sting r?
Nice and fair review guys! Thanks!
Hello from France
I have a Talaria 3000 and don't want to go faster but had more range to stroll.
Can you do a range test ?
At 27mph and at 50mph like talaria 3000 and 4000 on road.
Or what you think is the range at 27mph and 50mph.
Or in eco mode and sport.
I'm looking for a Ultra bee or Storm bee.
We may do one eventually but don’t own one so would need to borrow.
the new stark varg or ktm electric dirt bikes are probably the only other real competitors to the ultra bee.
The Stark Varg is in it's own class for sure! There's a video where a guy had the varg on the dyno at the 60hp mapping and along all points on the powercurve it beat a stock 2023 Yamaha YZ 450 by heaps. Stock bike to stock bike. The KTM freeride on paper has more power stock at over 18KW but is definitely heaiver. I was disapponited the range wasn't better with the ultra bee, but it is neat that is so capable and still only a mid-sized bike. I have an Admit Jet armor 72v 70ah battery that is up to 25.2KW at peak power with good range which is about double the power of the ultra on paper, but it's a full sized heavy bike but neither is going to be discreet around town so they both are too big to go unnoticed.
@@seandean352I'm in the process of ordering either the admitjet armor or the ultra bee.. which one would you prefer performance and quality wise?.. i want the admitjet due to more power but idk if it will last as long as the ultra bee in long distance everyday riding.. whats do you suggest?
That’s a tough question to answer fairly because they are both still quite a bit different. If you feel that the 12.5kw power of the ultra bee is enough usable power (I’d say most of the time it is in the woods, but not on a track most likely) then the ultra bee has really good build quality and simplicity. On the other hand, if you want to venture into “closer” (about 7/8th of full size) to a full sized electric motocross/enduro bike, the admitjet is quite good. It has good build quality, but not quite to par with the ultra bee. It has plenty of power and gears and a clutch, but operation is less simple and the gears can feel clunky at times. The admitjet is not quite as polished as the ultra but has great range with the 70ah battery, range tests has been beyond the ultra from what I’ve seen in several instances. If I wanted to save some weight, make riding a little more simple, and not go full on I’d get the ultra bee. I’d get the jet if you want full power out of the box and full size and weight. Just expect a few more small quirks.
@@seandean352 i guess ill go for the jet first and if its too much ill sell it (hopefully before something breaks) and get the ultra bee after seeing that the ultra bee has a range of aftermarket parts.. im just afraid that the jet might come with some problems I can't resolve and heard that the company has poor customer service but ill keep my fingers crossed
yess sirrrr can i have itttt
the Ultra bee vs the talaria xXx?! which to choose?😇
Those are completely different bikes and one is double the cost of the other?
@@leetjohnson for a good city commute an hour here and there, what would you choose now in 2023? is anything coming worth waiting for?
@framestomind7548 definitely the Talaria XXX. The Surron Light Bee and Talaria R (MX4) are good, but bigger and less stealth. The Surron Ultra is a beast that will look like a dirtbike and totally not street legal. For offroad or if you are a bigger guy or have more of a budget ($6.5k) the Ultra is superb.
@@leetjohnson I need a vehicle that can travel 3 hours in about 35-45 miles per hour as a city commute from the country side and back home ...I am 5'9 but 191 pounds,, am an adult but used to ride small mopeds all the time as a teen.. I do not wanna take a MC card due to the costs and time for all such things. and I hate electric heavy bikes to sit with bicycle pedal assist.. is not my cup of tea... I rather ride my fixed gear bicycle than those heavy pedal assist e bikes.. so am looking for an electric motorcycle styled moped that one will not need a MC card with but can go further and keep up to some comfortable speed to go 3 hours back and forth but still be fun off road at the same time... Otherwise I must look for a 50 cc.. do you ride those as well? any 50 cc you can recommend I that case? thanks for getting back!
@framestomind7548 right on! I'd say that you should stick with the xxx but all of these edirtbikes are over 100lbs. If you want to be able to hold 35 to 45mph range, will be an issue with a small battery, therefore the weight is a sort of necessary evil, especially for commuting. Do you have charging available when you get to work? I don't think many ebikes or edirtbikes can go 3 to 4 hours on a single charge at those speeds. Depending on how many miles, it almost sounds like you need a full on bike...because these can be impounded by cops in certain areas too. Lots to think about....50cc.moped or scooter might actually make more sense then electric, for your scenario.
Is it considerably louder than the Talaria R? I want to ride in stealth mode sometimes. 😅
It’s a little louder but really not much or noticeable.
My only real ckncern is the belt drive. I ride a lot if enduro where is muddy and wet. I've heard the belt is beefier snd better protected but its still a worry.
I have a deal on a KTM Freeride for $6,900 low mileage with two batteries. Hmmm...
Hard choice for sure! We haven’t tried a free ride but this bike is hard to beat.
I'm with you on that. It would suck having a belt break in the middle of nowhere, and it would also be a lot harder pushing it back to the truck.
Well fast forward six months later and I now have an Ultra Bee parked next to my Talaria!
Let’s gooooo! How do you like it?
Bought the bike last Saturday, literally rained all weekend. On Monday came down with the Flu and have been laid up since. 😷
I took it out for a 4 mi cruise through the wood but was only really feeling things out. I plan to put 50mi or so on it this week. I'll let you know what I think.
ima get this as a birthday gift on the 18th hell yeah 18 jk i can dream
Still running belt drive reduction gear?
Yes
Suspension looks like a Pugo stick
have you guys gotten on a Storm Bee yet?
not yet..
Plssss where is this?
Utah
Hey Talaria Boys, love your content. I've been considering the Sting R, but I just watched SurRonsters review video where he said that at 30% Sting R has extremely noticeable power sag, he shows a demo of it at this point in the video: ruclips.net/video/3VAJMqrYpMc/видео.html , Have you guys noticed that at low battery %?
I saw that, too, There must’ve been something wrong with his bike. You don’t notice a power decrease until about 5%. We have tested a lot of talaria R’s and have never had this issue
"I feel like I didnt even get any air" Because you didn't LOL thats not a jump thats a bump.
def cool. but its too much of a enduro style.
Electric trial bikes would destroy that bike
A diesel airplane would fly better than both bikes
NO HELP, NOT STOCK, NO SPECS, YOU GUYS NEED TO STEP IT UP OR UNSUBSCRIBING
Lol
Bye 👋