50 HOURS ON THE NEWEST TRACTOR OUT THERE. WHAT DO WE THINK?
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- We have just over 50 hours on the Summit TX25, still the latest tractor in the compact world. We'll tell you all of our thoughts from having used it for almost a year-what we like and what we don't (there's a lot more we like than don't). Plus we'll show you snippets from most of the projects we've tackled the last ten months.
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A rear mounted finish mower is always a better choice than a belly mount mower. You can sharpen or replace blades easy and can remove the mower and pickup another attachment without having your mower dragging in the dirt and mud. The adding of rim guard makes all the difference in getting power to the ground and a low center of gravity.
They’re a heck of a lot more inexpensive too since you don’t need all the hangers, lift and mid PTO. I’d never buy a mid mount mower myself
@@LedgemereHeritageFarmmid mowers are super niche
I looked at one at Family Farm and home. It looks very well built. I'm impressed with all the features that you would normally have to add to its competitors. I sure hope it sells good. Hopefully it's not a here today and gone tomorrow tractor. It was priced out at $19,499.99 with financing up to 84 months. Thanks for all the informative videos you post!
Don't buy it I did its been in the shop for major issues now they have t ul the motor nly have 30 7:34 hrs on it third time in the shop.only got to use it two week's 😢
Love your channel. First timer just bought 11 acres surrounded by Ouachita Natl Forest in SE Oklahoma. The Summit looks like a perfect tractor for my property and a newbie to tractors. I especially appreciate the scriptures at the end of your videos!
Honesty is key, and I appreciate yours, Thank You and have a great day!
Glad to see a new entry into the tractor market and i hope they are successful.
Thanks Tim, have a good one!
Needed that scripture today. Thanks for all you do and God bless.
The LX2610 has a similar battery location. It makes life so much easier when you need to get a jump or just plain remove it. If the summit wasn’t so heavy I would have waited until it was in production. I need my tractor to be light on its feet to mow pastures and grass paths that surround my farm. Besides the fact that 30% of my ground is always wet and 75% is hills, a heavier tractor would have gotten stuck to often, but I do love all the extra options that come standard on the machine. Maybe one day I’ll purchase one and just use my LX for mowing only.
The LX is a great machine too!
Thank you for the video Knoxville TN.
Awesome break down of the summit Great video
I appreciate you videos. Once I'm settled in NC. I will reach out to you on one of these tractors. I have 12 acres. I think this will be perfect. Love that its heavy
Thanks Courtney.
Now all I have to do is A). justify one, and B). afford one.
I've got the kioti 2610. I just saw one of these at Farm and fleet. Idk the lift specs. But this is 100 an outstanding small plot tractor. You can't beat it. I was impressed! I've added like 4k accessories on mine. This is cash and carry. It's going to dominate this market. And it's green😂😂😂
Looks better every time you show it!
Seems awesome with many complimentary additions that ... yes ... costs. The 1025R just won out on all things considered. Totally agree with mowing, a rear finish mower works well. Enjoy the videos.
Good stuff Karl, thanks as always!
I have followed your introduction of the Summit compact tractor until this review. It seems to be a very capable machine and has many standard features that would be additional costs to many other brands. Your 50 review reflects a very honest and fair representation of this value oriented new brand tractor. Warranty claims, service availability and parts would be a concern in my opinion. However I am inclined to have a favorable opinion of the design, durability and overall quality of this new option to the tractors available on today's marketplace.
I own a Branson 2515H which after owning for 2 years and 220 hrs of work, has proven to be a beast for a 25hp compact tractor. Recently being bought out by TYM, I now have a discontinued brand name. This is definitely a concern of mine, as it would be with any new brand like the Summit.
Great review and honest pros and cons.
We're on 11 acres in South Central Indiana
Thanks for following along!
They say that the dealer is more important than the brand. We shall see,
ITL sells pretty much the exact same tractor here as well… it’s called the Solis or something like that. Plenty of vids about it on YT.
I looked at the Summit tractor. 2 big negatives for me. One... no pallet forks. Two.... plastic fenders. Still it is a great price. Enjoy your videos!
I'm ready to buy a compact tractor and like the Summit. My only concern is getting it serviced. My luck is something breaks (like on my motorhome) and I can't get parts for it or the mechanic can't get parts. Just to add, I been to Tractor Supply and Atwoods and the people that work there couldn't answer any of my questions. They would just give me a brochure. I hate to gripe, but I'm ready to buy and can't get any questions answered.
I just watched a video on the Solis 24hp tractor! They're both made by ITL... but the Summit seems to have more standards accessories like the self leveling bucket and front hydraulics...
Hey good video , the thing I seen that I like on this tractor is the weight of it , but at the same time most of my work I do with my 1025r is garden lawn , and yard work travelling on our grass , so I think this would actually be to heavy for my needs . As far as the hood opening the way it does compared to the 1025r , I would much rather the 1025r and the side panels coming off with 2 easy clips . I have owned the new ct1025 bobcat which is similar to this tractor in the way the hood opens and since I switched to the 1025r I have way better access to the whole engine compartment without the sides of the hood in the way at all ! . As far as accessing the battery on the 1025r I truly don't see it being that hard for how often I'll actually need to deal with it every 6 to 8 years minimum . I would much rather have the easier access in my opinion that the 1025r has . But again my own thoughts and opinions , keep up the good videos it does look like a nice work horse !
Can you please answer this question please , does it have the same 3 point hitch positioning as the 1025r ? Or is it simply up spring to centre and down spring to centre on the 3 point hitch lever ???? Been wondering this for a while watching these videos .
You've almost convinced me on the Summit.
It seems like a decent tractor and I’d surely love to test one here on my channel, but there’s nobody closer than 3 hours away from me and I worry about parts and service
Not sure how efficient the driveline is on that tractor, but my Ford 1700 is 25hp and weighs 4000lb+ with the loader and loaded rear tires. At normal operating speeds it doesn’t run out of power with 5ft implements. It is gear drive though (23hp PTO). In fact, I run out of traction with R1 tires before I’m out of power.
Gear drive is the difference
I agree that having a dedicated lawn mower is the way to go. I will keep my LX280 for mowing and if I get a utility tractor it will not have a grass mower. Sometimes it is just better to have purpose built equipment.
Thanks for the video. I will be buying a Summit tractor.
The main issue these sorts of tractors will have as everyone knows is its off brand. There is nothing they can do about this besides offering excellent support. When I was tractor shopping I almost bought a Mahindra tractor. One of the main reasons to buy it was the dealer's location was very close to my farm. Due to Covid-19 restrictions they could not get the tractor I wanted in so the deal fell through. This dealer is no longer selling Mahindra tractors. If I'd bought a Mahindra tractor I'd be very annoyed they've done this. Possibly a lack of supply is a reason the dealer stopped selling Mahindra tractors.
The tractor I bought was from a dealer that has been selling the same brand of tractors for decades and will probably keep selling them for decades to come.
Allegedly, Mahindra is the World’s #1 selling tractor, but it feels like they aren’t doing the best job with dealer and parts support. I own 2 Mahindras and my dealership is literally down the street from our farm which was a huge reason to buy them. The dealership has been absolutely stellar, but I worry about future parts and service. Saying that, I ran away from Deere and Kubota because they are both owned (my local dealerships) by a conglomerate that’s got a monopoly. The mom and pop Deere and Kubota dealers are gone and these companies are able to charge whatever they want to. It feels like a crap shoot either way these days
I bought my bx2380 with a front end loader & a 60” mid mount mower plus a number of rear attachments. I’m using my loader or other rear attachments daily. Hence I have to constantly take on and off that mower deck so I won’t damage it & that’s a real pain. I’m looking at now buying a Zero turn mower to do my mowing it’ll do my mowing faster & I won’t have to take deck on & off any more. So yes I agree with you buy a separate machine for doing the mowing.
100% agree ! I bought a subcompact with the mid mount mower and I regretted it afterwards , the money you spend on it can go towards a nice lawn more thats main purpose is to cut grass and truthfully do a nicer job , I won't make that same mistake again lol .
@@johndeere2038r Thanks for sharing. I recently moved to a new property with too many obstacles for my RFM and was considering the drive-over deck. Think I'll get a ZT instead and save the tractor for everything else.
@@fondy44 I completely agree with you and think that's a smart move ! Saves a bunch of hours on your tractor to 👍, and your getting a machine that will cut the grass much quicker and also get around your obstacles a whole lot easier . I know when I got the MMM it was about $4200 more and that's a lot of money I could have used towards a ZT . Oh well we learn from our mistakes I suppose lol .
All the best to you !
Lift height of the 3point, since you're working with the engineering development team, could be improved with longer lift arms. It may reduce the max lifting load (moment arm length) but that could still be a good tradeoff. ... You might mow more often if you can easily remove the front bucket. I have a bit of hate for seeing tractors used on non-bucket jobs with the bucket arms still attached. I grew up on a farm with a MF35 industrial tractor with both front bucket and rear back-hoe and that was the most ungainly tractor we had. When you needed to dig or move dirt it was great to have but kind of useless for anything else and no convenient way to remove everything.
I see allot of people who have bigger property's would have a zero turn as they are so good these days and then use the tractor for other things. I think this machine is awesome and a great deal sad it doesn't have a tilt wheel. Definitely a nice rig tho for sure
Thanks for this as I was thinking about contacting you to ask for such a review. You mentioned the 3-point lift height limitation. So what is the maximum height it can raise to? I can't find it on the Summit spec sheet. One of my applications would be rotary cutting a rocky field and so I want to lift the mower deck over those rocks. Although I have used a compact tractor (ie a circa 2002 John Deere 4710) this would be my first tractor purchase for personal use and I've been waiting for Summit tractors to be in my area (southern New England) so I can look it over. A local farm supply store (TSC) supposedly now sells it but I have yet to see it inside or outside of that store.
I appreciate the videos you have made with this tractor. These have helped me make a list of the attachments I want to buy from you once I get the tractor,
I’m not sure, I’d have to measure. It’s just the typical lift height for a tractor in that size range. Nothing unusual, but I like to point out limitations that some might not think about.
I really wish we had these out west. I bought a 1023 b/c there no dealers of service out here.
Eventually, but that’s a ways out
Summit should offer a MSL that is able to turn on and off. It looks like it would just be a collapsible link on the loader arm that you could pin into position to activate the MSL?
Best video you have made. Thanks for the Bible verse, great verse.
What do you think about the rural king tractor
One thing as a comment about the RhinoHide canopy. I bought one before you bought the company, from a connection of another popular tractor RUclipsr. Great addition, no doubt. But.....
I'd like to see the mold or form for the polymer be reshaped such that the individual channels for rigidity are not square, and seemingly tapered to the midline of the canopy. It is a water trap, and as soon as you move the tractor to any tilt or slope, it's a cascade waterfall, guaranteed to nail my pant legs or splash on my shoulders.
Slope it so it's self draining, or at least better at only holding an ounce rather than a gallon of cold water!!
If Summit is adding things to this tractor standard ton put it outvahead of the competition, then put on telescoping stabilizers on the three point lift arms-- duh. There's mirrors! Nice, but tilt steering shouldn't also be a stretch.
And the loader control is up in space. Not very ergonomic.
Yeah, not an easy change. Molds are expensive and permanent, so once you make it, your kind of stuck with it. Making a new mold takes a long time to get the payback. We’ll have a new model at some point in the future. It’s a big decision is what I’m trying to say.
Just a thought. You could drill a strategic drain hole and use a rubber plug when you don't want it to drain.
Any info on if/when bora is making spacers for these?
What do you mow your lawn with currently? Been a while since you’ve showed your lawn I feel like. Are you still going for golf course quality?
I’d love to consider Summit, but have no dealers close in Eastern TN. Wonder how this compares to Rural King RK25 ? I think that would be a great comparison / showdown.
It's 8mo since your comment, and just for fun I checked the Summit website. In Tennessee, they are selling through Home Depot retailers. They listed 3 in the greater Knoxville area, and a 4th within 50miles to the northeast of that. Plus you can order online for a tractor and any package of implements you want and they will ship right to your door, anywhere in the continental U.S..
Half of service centers on website are listed as "mobile service". What happens if warranty repair requires removing transmission etc? So that happens in your garage or driveway? Do those mobile guys have parts in stock? Trade in value?
Good questions, contact Summit to learn more!
I cant seem to find anything on the hyrdrollics, hows the flow rate and reaction time on the loader while driving, doing two things at once?
Now if only there was a dealer in my state.
What's that inside the cross pipe of the loader frame just below the LX85 label (12:40)?
this tractor is a soil 24H with mods when is ti comming to canada?
Could you tell me the commercial name of the PVP 480? I would like to rent one if possible. Enjoy your informative videos.
Well after watching the video and reading most of the comments. If everyone had to choose the 1 tractor for your house which one it be and why. I saw this tractor at my HD and was Curious how does it hold up next the the bigger names out there.
If good works had to pick just one in the size and across all brands which one would you pick
For me? This or an LS I don't use the hell out of my equipment (I currently use an antique) so top of the line takes a back seat to price for me and this looks like it has all the features I would find convenient at a price I could tolerate.
I'd like to spend about a week with you and all the implements this tractor has available!??
I saw these at runnings I was wondering what company makes the tractor for summit or are they their own company that makes the whole thing
I looked at this one and the Bobcat CT2025. I noticed the Summit has a 80cu engine and the Bobcat has 100cu. Both have about 25HP. Do you think the smaller CU matters? Also the hydraulic pump capacity on the Summit is 4.8 gpm and 18.22 L/Min. Bobcat has 11.4 gpm and 42.9 L/min. This seems almost 3 times the hydraulics. Thanks
The bobcat is a 35hp kioti tuned down to 25hp. It's a large frame tractor designed to stay below epa regulations. Branson/TYM 2515 is another large frame, low hp tractor. I think it has highest lift capacity on the loader for a 25hp but I'm notnsure if you can tune it up like kioti/bobcat. The 4030 loader on the kioti is next best on loader capacity. Lots of videos on here about how to turn up the fuel and hydraulic pressure on a ck2610/ct2025 once you're out of warranty to get those 10 extra horses out of your tractor. I've been looking for the same size tractor and just got a quote for a little under $28k for a ck2620 with the same features as the summit. It's a hard call to make for sure.
😅no tilt steering wheel, sounds like a feature enriched tractor and looks decent also
Hehe, isn’t a must have, but is definitely a nice to have!
To me the joy stick looks to high. It looks like you're reaching up and looks uncomfortable. Just my opinion.
that’s one of the things that’s been redesigned on the production model
I’m 6ft 1in, 250 lbs. Is it too small for me? How big are you so I can get an idea.
I'm 6' 2", a little over 200 lbs. Definitely not too small.
@@GoodWorksTractors thank you!
@@GoodWorksTractors Good to know. The one on the prototype is just goofy looking.
I agree 100% on not mowing with your tractor. Let the zero turn tackle that chore for speed and agility, besides, save your tractor hours for tractor work!!
Thabk you for all of your videos. Im in the market for a tractor and it'll be my first one. Prior to this i used a canam atv for some work aroubd my property until it was stolen. Figured it was time to get a tractor. Your videos help tremendously for someone who knows nothing. Im intrigued by the summit tractor, but what advice would you give someone who is pooking at the summit tractor but lives in upstate ny where there is limited dealers. The closest one that is supposed to have them available soon wont have any service department in case there is an issue and thats my main concern...repairs with me not living near one. So any advice on how to handle that situation would be great!
I think u do a fair n honest review. I own a 1025r Thanks
Thanks Dustan!
Is this the same size as an rk25?
my dislike is the rear hydraulic control lever digs in my leg in fact i removed it and the 4x4 lever is hard to operate for a 73 year old that's a little over height and the ignition is in a hard to reach place and i agree on the tilt steering
Strange, my leg is not even close to that hydraulic lever. 4x4 lever works just fine, but they are all stiff to engage or disengage. That’s just a tractor thing.
Mid mount mower came off and never put back on. Lawnmowers are for cutting grass. That summit looks like my pick if I was to recommend a new unit. I only buy used equipment myself, no fun in having something new for me.
I wonder how useful this tractor would be to move round bales of hay. Im always trying to stack hay in tight locations.
no, its too small.
Agreed
Unfortunately there is no dealer near me....dealerships seem to be few and far between.
Since Canada is not a market you serve can people still order implements , use your code, and get products delivered up here?
For the affiliate partners? If so, that will depend if any of them will ship north of the border.
For the record, I've quoted a couple of hundred shipments to Canada. So far, I'm 1 for 200 on folks that actually order after getting the price to do so. It has proven to be a collosal waste of my time as this sample size is large enough to show that most aren't willing to pay the extra cost to ship internationally.
Does anyone on here have an affordable supplier for R4 tires? Im thinking of replacing the R1s on my New Holland 1520.
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How hard is it to remove the loader and to put it back on...😮😊
I’ll have to do that at some point, but I’ve had no need to take the loader off yet.
Out of curiosity, why do you plan to remove the loader? The arms stay on for most attachments and I've helped family maintain their tractors for three decades without removing the arms. We remove the bucket/forks, raise the arms, and use a piece of plastic conduit over the cylinders to make sure they can't droop and get in the way.
@Noah_E the rare case I would remove the loader completely for would be a front-mounted snow thrower. Personally, I much prefer them over the rear-mounted, though I understand everyone has their own preferences
@@dalcassian56 Don't remove loader mounts for any reason... You will have problems remounting the loader itself.... Wait for a video....
@@dalcassian56 agreed. A 3PH inverted snow blower so you can use the bucket or a pusher up front and don't have to look over your shoulder or use mirrors the whole time, don't get a face full of blow back in an open station, and don't have to mess with/have a mid-PTO is definitely the way to go IMO.
What about service? Are you expecting to take it to the Big Box store? They don't work on anything. Any thoughts on that?
They have a complete independent service network. It was never their plan to have retailers service their equipment.
What about long term parts availability? Will this company even be here in 10 years?
Personally think it has the same problem as my LS…no nearby service and limited parts.
I scheduled service for one of my JD tractors recently. It was 4 weeks before they could even look at it. Unless it’s a filter, it’s pretty rare that they ever have the part in stock that I need. Same goes for Kubota, Ford, Polaris.
What engine did they put in the summit?
Mitsubishi 24.7 HP
Diesel
How much?????
$19,995 here in western New York
The mirrors will break off after you hit the first tree limb.
Had it a year and whacked plenty of trees. Haven't broken one yet.
Can't get the Summits in Hawaii. So its a non-starter.
Im not crazy about mistubishi motors. Misttubishi has a history of abandoning parts production. Buy 2 to have 1.
My neighbor has a LS and you have to take the cowing off to work on it , it's just a piece of junk
So the tractor you show the loader that is, it’s not the same one they sent to the dealers this year ‘s gonna 🤔 they change the loader design without telling anybody which I think is uncool your brochure show one loader and they send you another not cool at all 🤨🤨🤨call up to tech oh design change couldn’t do nothing about it. Well, not many people notice a difference, but I did.
Product improvements are implemented all the time in every industry since the dawn of time. Nothing new here and nothing to be concerned about. It is actually the opposite of uncool if you think about it. If you want to work with a company that is content sitting on their haunches doing nothing to get better, then go for it. No one is stopping you.
@@GoodWorksTractors OK when you have a brochure showing the tractor loader that is with a safety and your bucket angle bar whatever you wanna call it but when you get the real one in the store and has neither of these devices, what are you supposed to think that’s what I’m trying to say is it a mute point maybe but I’m spending I’m buying some thing from what I see in the pictures on their website show me a totally different product that I’m getting at the store. That’s what I’m trying to say without a disclaimer, saying preproduction model, anywhere on the website that I could tell.
@@milwsdl39 So, you're only upset about the things you don't like that changed. It's not change itself as there's other changes I don't hear you complaining about. So, it's not the fact that they made changes, it's that one change is something you don't agree with. Move on with your day man, don't get wrapped up on something so minor. Obviously every manufacturer on the planet has disclaimers, you'll just need to look harder. But why bother wasting your time. It's not going to change a darn thing.
@@GoodWorksTractors here’s my point when you have the owner telling you in a room of 20 other people some key points on this loader. Oh, we’re gonna give you the safety bar for the hydraulics that’s not on the new loader we’re gonna give you an indicator knowing where the bucket angle is, you can’t even see the one on the new loader that’s all I’m saying man just minor things here but when you’re in the room and the president of the company is telling you these things and you get an actual item at the at the store and it’s a different kind of make you think 🤔 that’s all.
Overall, I’ve sold two of those tractors nobodies ass about those items that is correct. Is it a minor design change probably but like I said, when the president tells you about these two parts on the machine that nobody else has and you get the actual item in it and they’re not there that’s all I’m trying to say
great videos by the way.👍🏻
do these take a mid mount belly mower??