I have been in the RV industry for 15 years. I have had a RUclips channel for 3 1/2 years. on my RUclips channel and on my podcast, I have always said that RV is not a financial decision. It is a lifestyle decision. Any lifestyle comes with cost! Whether you build out your own van. Whether you build out a school bus to be a home. Whether you want to go visit all national parks by sleeping in a car. Whether you just wanna sit at home and watch Netflix Netflix all day. Absolutely everything cost money. so I appreciate this video and the amount of effort it took for this gentleman to do this video in hindsight you really have to make a lifestyle decision. if you make it all about money then you will never RV because it comes with cost like anything else, including boats, including Powersports like dirt bikes, etc.
Thanks, I appreciate your thoughful comment, I try to be rational in most of my decisions and from a rational standpoint, it just does not work for me, but I undertand well the allure of the lifestyle and have no personal criticism of those who pursue it. Here is a link to your channel: www.youtube.com/@HBRVLifestyle
@ yeah it’s hard to get into anything like boats or RVs or dirt bikes, or anything like that if you think about it rationally. It’s a very emotional thing unfortunately and fortunately
My wife and I conducted a similar evaluation and ultimately decided to walk away from our dream of RVing. From a financial perspective, the numbers simply didn’t add up compared to staying in hotels and Airbnb rentals. Over a five-year period, assuming 120 nights per year on the road (we are fully retired), we found a cost difference of $142,000 in favor of hotels and rentals. In the past few years, we’ve driven over 30,000 miles in our well-equipped F-150, exploring much of Canada and parts of the U.S. Currently, we’re in Palm Springs, CA, having left our home in Ontario in mid-November. I agree entirely with the points made in your video, particularly regarding the convenience of hotels-hot water, real beds, and often a complimentary hot breakfast make a significant difference. We come from the boating world, which, like the RV industry, is heavily driven by emotion. From a purely financial standpoint, boat ownership rarely makes sense, and the same can be said for RV ownership. That said, there’s nothing wrong with purchasing a boat or RV to fulfill a dream, as long as you fully understand and are prepared for the financial implications. Finally, it’s worth noting that the RV industry is facing serious challenges. Manufacturer defects, breakdowns, a lack of qualified service technicians, parts shortages, and declining quality are at an all-time high. Additionally, resale values are plummeting due to an abundance of used inventory, much of which resulted from impulse purchases during the COVID-19 pandemic. While we respect that everyone’s situation is different, for us, the decision to pass on the RV lifestyle was a clear one. Thanks for sharing your insight.
Very observant and practical comments. I had a three quarter ton Chevy pick up towing a 5th wheel. I found it impractical and expensive for where I wanted to go. I travel extensively now in a Prius camping and boondocking wherever I want with an attached tent called a Tail Veil . Reliable and With the low profile INNO top box for assorted camping equipment, awning and pop up toilet/ shower room it still gets 42-44 mpg. I exclusively boondock in nature and occasionally stealth camp in towns and cities . Minimalism can be its own reward.
That sounds like a very economical alternative. I used to have an Element with a tailgate tent, and I loved it. Prius also now has AWD available, which might be appealing for adverse weather and light off-road capability. Thanks for describing your experiences!
I’ve got a travel trailer with a sizable loan on it. I used it 4 times last year. Every month I regret buying that beast. I love using it while I am actually using it but for much of the year it’s an anchor around my neck. Still upside down on the payoff so here I sit (broke)en hearted
Thanks for that information. Sorry to hear about your millstone. I love the dream of RV living, but the reality you describe is just too expensive for me. Hopefully, in time, you will get above water and find a solution that works out best. I appreciate your comment.
A dual purpose mini-van may well be the best solution to this dilemna. I have thought long and hard about that alternative. Thanks for your recommendation.
As a truck driver for over 44 years( Retired now) I'd lay over at least 1 night per week and was offered a sleeper or Hotel, I chose the Hotel all those years. I like the minivan idea where if I'm tired from driving,I can sleep the night in a safe parking lot and save some cash to boot. Being a nerd or "practical person" and spender might go against a "freespirit's" (live free) mentality. But with the Minivan, I can kinda have the best of both worlds. Plus it's our already owned vehicle. Great video
Thanks. The multi-use aspect of the mini-van makes it an economical alternative. Plus, hybrids like the Sienna can run all night and provide heat or air, which is desirable, but have you looked at the prices! I keep thinking about a minivan camper, but I have not yet found a way to make it work. Let me know how it works out for you!
@@GC-Hiker Yeah, I hear ya on the pricing. I get that Honda and Toyota are great cars but really? crazy pricing. I did a ton of research and we just purchaced our 5th Dodge/Chrysler.
We decided against an RV for the same reasons, but storage is even another big annual cost I didn’t hear you mention. After camping for many years in a tent we upgraded to a new teardrop trailer. It will depreciate much slower than an RV and we can tow it easily with our Subaru and still get 22MPG. Storage is free because it fits in our garage.
I never got to the storage issue or some of the others because the math was overwhelming for me on just the operating costs and captial depreciation. The trailer sounds like an interesting alternative, but as a "car guy," I just can't cope with the idea of towing, particularly those trailers that have only two wheels. Personally, I see that as a high risk drive, but that is probably just me. I am glad to hear it works for you.
I have a daily use cargo box truck for my delivery business that easily converts to a RV in about 30 minutes by adding specially modified modules I made and furniture including power, water and a full service bathroom. If interested my Conversion ideas are linked from my YT channel description.
Had all kinds. Large super C Caterpillar diesel, 5er toy haueler, trailers, truck campers and camp vans. All had their uses at the time. We're riders, hikers, kayakers. The ability to put your hotel room and gear where you want, when you want is fantastic. Family is cloaer because of it. Currently have toy hauler trailer, diesel 4x4 to tow, recover gear. May go back to camper van, my personal favorite. 90 to 110 days a year in em, cheaper per day more you use. I'm very glad we do so.
Well said. For the last decade, I dreamed of getting a van and I researched how to build one for a fraction of the cost and with 10 times better appointments. But then I remembered that you don’t “own things“ and that “things on you“. Enter now al the woke crap and the “criminals are more important than regular people crap” and now if you park a van in most urban areas, you’re lucky if you come back and the windows are intact. I have also read many travel blogs where in the northwest United States that Vans at trailheads are constantly broken into. Bottom line building something that I would cherish and then having to worry about it everywhere I park it is just not worth the hassle. Something I have flirted with is converting a stealth non-descriptive cargo trailer. That is a whole Nother conversation. It can be extremely inexpensive and it can be luxurious inside. But you still need to have something to pull it.
We’ve had four of them over 30 years. Yes, even buying used with our own property to store them on; they are very expensive and massively time consuming to fix and maintain. But… We have had our best family memories getting to some very beautiful places. At this point in life a second getaway home that will probably have massive appreciation is a much better way for us. It also allows us to have a second community of friends, hiking buddies at church members.
It makes sense. The RV may well give great experiences, but to me, it is also expensive. Real property has appreciated so much recently, it is probably a more economically logical alternative. Thanks for your comment.
You are accurately observant. I have lost count of how many times, sleeping in my one-person tent, heard the bypassing RVers complaining about how far the rest room building is. Most RVers would be better off to buy a few big trees from nurseries and BBQ under them right in their homes.
Car camping really makes economical sense. I was suprised to see the RV industry reports the average age of a first-time rv buyer in 2023 was 32. If true, young people are making a lot more money than I ever realized.
I own a 2021 Tiffin Wayfarer and I love it. I know staying at the motel costs less, but I realize that if I want that motel for a week on the sand beach is impossible. So RV is the only solution for me and my family. Remember RV is not for everyone.
I agree completely. There are definately advantages to RVs, it is just with my style of travel and my frequency of use (and my budget), it just does not work out for me. Thanks for sharing your experience.
You are 100% correct Sir. I use a 12' long cargo box truck for our daily sprout and vegetable business deliveries. BUT I can easily convert it to a RV within 30 minutes utilizing my modular designed appliances and furniture for our mountain camping trips and site seeing vacations. We also provide FREE Dental clinics to remote regions and I have modular connections and facilities for our dental partners. When I see people spend $100,000++ for an RV that sits in the driveway for most of the year I think to myself, the owners must have *MORE MONEY THAN BRAINS* If interested, my multi use cargo truck build and design is linked in my channel description.
Great comparison ❤ 👍 really thinking about buying one, but the more bad thing is our city ordinance does not allow RVs to be parked in driveways, and parking at farms or RV parks requires another extra fee😂
Yes, the storage fees also can add up, plus there is the issue with mice when you store. For me, it makes sense to drive a car and stay in a motel, but we all have different budgets and considerations. Thanks for your comment.
Counterpoints: Many hotels are filthy, and I've stayed in quite a few with HVAC / water / mold etc etc issues. First time you bring home bed bugs from your hotel stay you'll be reconsidering your travel preferences. Most nice places or tourist destinations require reservations sometimes years in advance. Plenty of "RV" options that don't require manual leveling. You can opt for an outdoor shower if the indoor shower isn't a great fit for you. Hotels have their own dangers, too, and personal protection preferences are irrelevant of lodging choice. Picking a gas class B vs a diesels to highlight poor gas mileage is disingenuous. There are a wide range of purchase options in the travel van / class B world. Plenty of great choices WELL under $150K. Your hotel stays are a sunk cost, and you always have some residual value with the (admittedly depreciating) RV. If you can find a 4 year old $150K unit for $50K, would sure like to know your source. And who cares about the cost someone else bore? Make a good financial analysis & decision in all major purchases ... that's common sense. If the last guy lost his shorts buying new off the lot and didn't use it much, not my problem. Again, really slanted take. "Eye-opening"? Hardly. Really, it all comes down to how often you want to travel and how able you are to operate in it and afford the additional costs. It's a luxury to own & enjoy a nice travel van or Class B, much like it is to stay in nicer hotels. I like being able to leave on a whim with the dog and not worry about having reserved good lodging, since it's nearly always reserved at desirable locations. Sounds like it's definitely not a good choice for you - fine. No need to paint with such a broad brush, though, as it's a fantastic choice for many others. There's a reason there are so many of them on the road these days.
Thanks, I appreciate your alternative perspective and I am confident others will as well. I think carrying your own bed is one of the most attractive aspects of owning an RV for me. I have fiddled with gasoline powered vehicles for my whole life and I am familiar with them, which is why I chose that for my comparison, but I do understand that diesels get better gas mileage, it is just not what I would choose for myself, and I was carefully evaluating the possibility of getting an RV. I do hope I did not imply that this video was about anything other than my decision not to own an RV. If I had a much bigger budget, I would own one, but unfortunately, I do not. Costs prevent me from owning an RV. Thanks for sharing your alternative perspective and happy travels to you!
Just like a boat, what are the two happiest days of your life? The day you buy your RV and the day you sell your RV. We had our RV for 6 years. The last couple of years we were battling water leaks. I was spending more time fretting over my RV than time enjoying it. We were SO happy to finally get rid of it. I don't think many RV's are very well made and there are lots of things that can go wrong that you have to deal with. It would take a lot of nights in a hotel to equal the cost of an RV.
You just convinced me to not buy the camper van i was looking at. The math just doesn’t make sense for me. I can just stay at hotels and travel anywhere I want.
With five medium sized dogs using an RV for all our vacations is the only way we are able to travel. Our current RV we bought when it was 5 years old class A for $75K. I do all the maitence and repairs. It is expensive, but I it is the price we are willing to pay to sit around a campfire in the woods with our dogs.
That makes sense. Buying used reduces the costs and special circumstances justify the expense. I certainly do not mean that RVs are wrong for everyone. If I were rich, I would own one, but for me, the costs simply outweigh the benefits. Thanks for your comment.
I'm always surprised how some people just buy the RV on a whim and people did this during the pandemic. I would think you would want to rent one and take a week or two long trip to at least get a sense of how it is. That's interesting you bring your own pillow with you. I never thought about that. You might have just ruined hotel pillows for me 😆
Trying an RV out through rentals is the way to go, especially if it is your first time out. It really separates dreams from reality. I rented a variety of builds for varying lengths of time -- weekends to weeks. I ended up getting something completely different from what I initially set out for. Features I thought were deal breakers were cast aside while some didn't care features became must haves.
@@robertsurtees4380 That's awesome to hear that the rental process really helped you make a decision. I would love to try and rent an RV one day to experience it.
LOL about the pillow. Just to demonstrate how OCD I have become about it, I wash it and the pillow case in hot water as soon as I get home as well. I think you are right about the impulse buy. I think many people get caught up in the dream of travel and exploration before doing the math. I am glad that I took the time to do the math, because there is no way I can imagine with my income that I could ever justify the purchase. If I were rich, I might have a very different opinion. Thanks for your comment.
I and my family will to continue to stay in campings in Europe. We never had big problems but you are right, sometimes the noise can be very annoying. RVs are an expensive luxury, unless you are retired and can use it all the time.
I bought a brand new travel trailer 10 years ago and have enjoyed it. I usually get bored with something after 7 years so it may be time to sell my trailer soon. I bought a 4x4 a couple of years ago and have been camping also. My trailer is at a storage yard and I don't take it out as much anymore because California RV parks are booked year around anymore.
It is amazing that the RV parks are that busy! Glad to hear that you are enjoying the various ways of getting out there and camping and that the trailer worked well for you.
I have a truck camper, it's great but very glad I can take it off when not using! By the way. I will be hiking the Grand Canyon Sunday the 12th! Hope to see you there if it coincides with your hike!
The truck camper option makes sense, although those slide-ins can get pricey too. But at least the capital cost of the truck can go to other uses. I hope you have a great hike at the Canyon, I will miss you by only a few days. What trail are you doing?
@ we have a permit to camp at havasupi gardens. I think we will hike in bright angel and out sk. I was thinking we could explore tonto west a little bit Sunday afternoon
@@DaveHoffmancowboyhiker Sounds like a great hike. I would much rather go up South Kaibab then down, but you have been doing all that stair training! I do have a video on that loop: ruclips.net/video/HXYP9WddR78/видео.html I hope you post a video of your hike!
We've been dealing with this same dilemma and have decided to get a used truck with an ORU pop-up camper. We are going bare bones with the camper so we can still use it as a truck if we don't end up using it as much as we imagine for camping. A truck still gets worse gas mileage than a car but it was a good compromise for us. Plus resell ln a good truck is much higher. We will see what happens!
That does make more sense. Plus, when a truck ages, you can replace it and put your camper on the new unit. But the gas mileage and site costs still are a factor in a truck camper. All the best with your project, and let me know how it goes!
Got my RV for $24,000 in 2007, it's a 2001 pleasure way class B, I never want to get rid of it. I live in Vegas and take it up north and other places all summer for cheap 450 to 650 on average at RV parks usually in Elko or Ely Nevada where the weather is great all summer, but if I had to buy an RV now they are too expensive, might be better to buy an order one but best I think is to already have an older one that you've taken care of
Nice to hear it has worked out for you. Probaly older quality RVs are better build as well. If I were to buy, after a bit of research, used would be the way for me to go.
I've always had a thing for Airstreams - I love the idea of your own living space that you can take with you. They are, however, extremely expensive; and while the resale value is high, it can't overcome the loss you'll take selling it used. Like you, after looking at real numbers, I can't justify the purchase - but I can still dream! In the meantime, I go with tents or hotels. Thanks for the clear analysis of costs.
Those airstreams are really beautiful, plus you can use your car when you park. But along with the costs, there is also the issue of safety when towing (and stress as well). My decision is the same as yours, stay in a hotel, and I will be trying out some camping again this Spring to try to save some money and closer to nature! Thanks for your comment.
Do not feel bad! You made the correct decision. I literally spent the last decade researching and designing my own custom high-end van build. I went on tours of the airstream factory in Ohio. I visited almost every custom van builder I could locate. The one thing I learned is, is that the high-end vans from airstream, or the high-end trailers, are a complete absolute rip off. While they are some of the nicest in terms of aesthetics and coolness, there is a far better solution that you should strongly consider. If you buy a used or new cargo trailer, you can customize it. You can put in much higher quality materials, including a better refrigerator system, including a high-end Eternal battery system, including even a Stealth mini split air conditioning heating system. I also do not want windows that signal that there may be something valuable in my cargo trailer. So my intention is not to put any windows in at all. I will have 360° hidden cameras. There’s another thing you need to know that’s critical. If you speak to any attorney, who’s an expert in consumer law you will learn that people who buy RVs are totally screwed legally. There is no lemon law protection. Best of luck, my friend. Keep your money in your pocket
I don't hike Grand Canyon as often as you, but when I go there, a night at Maswik Lodge is all I need, because after that I'm heading down one of the trails for several nights below the rim. If I took an RV, I'd be paying for several nights of, essentially, storage rather than use. Most of my hikes, though, are in the High Sierra. Many of the trails I prefer aren't even accessible by an RV, some not even by a standard car. I suppose I could pull my Jeep behind an RV, but that still would mean I'd have to store the RV somewhere--probably for a fee--as I head off to the trailhead in the Jeep. Beyond that, I don't much like staying in large campgrounds. Sometimes I have to spend my pre-hike night in one, but I certainly wouldn't want to spend my whole trip there. As you note, often the neighbors are noisy, and the scenery, while better than that at home, never is as good as the scenery on the trail.
Good points. Plus, there is the risk of theft and vandalism to the RV when you are away. I am agreement with you that being alone in nature is usually the best way to go. Thanks for your comment.
What a great topic! We once had a dream of an RV and did go looking. However, it wasn't in our reality. I have a been a long time personal pillow carrier 😅 I really like a good hotel, motel stay! Some RVs cost the same as a home in the suberbs!
I really like the RV dream, I just cannot afford the reality. In honesty, you can drive a passenger car and stay in the Hilton for less than the RV, although I always seek humbler hotels. I do sleep much better since I started carrying my own pillow! Thanks for watching!
Very good video with plenty of observations one must consider. My family and I have been considering a small RV or travel trailer for many years. However, the things you articulated have held us at bay-not to mention storage fees for a place that will keep the elements and rodents out.
Thank you. If you cannot store it at your house, that is another expense. As a person of modest means, I just cannot justify the cost of an RV, even ignoring the practical matters. Thanks for your comment.
All my neighbors have rvs, from class a, truck campers, small trailers,5th wheels. They all use them once or twice a year in the summer, the rest of the time they are in storage or sitting on their property. I wonder what % of owners actually use them often.??😊
Aside from the high initial cost, the cost per use really emphasizes to me the difference between the dream and the reality of RV ownership. Thanks for your comment.
@GC-Hiker yes my wife says a 50 dollor purse used daily is alot different than a 100k rv used a couple times a year. That's how she justifies her closet full of purses and shoes.😳🤣
There's no financial justification for getting a camper van, class B type. You keep saying "RV" but a trailer type RV are quite economical, especially if you get one used and own a pickup anyway. Some smaller ones can be towed by smaller SUVs and there's also roof top popup tents, that costs even less. A class B is probably the most $ / sq ft. Thinking of class B anyway, there are a few clear advantages, I think the main one is that is a very immersive experience and that one can be driven to remote places, BLM lands and, yes, in rain and light snow too. The experience you get from a motel is forgettable at best, if it went well. You use it for function and utility. If you plan to stay only in traditional campsites, you're doing it wrong. Also, don't buy a campervan from well known RV brands. Otherwise, I agree with all your points.
20 year old hi top van, it turned a 100K in the Yukon this summer. Norcal and the west coast there is BLM land, NF, Dept of AG all over the place. Big comfy bed, diesel heater, fridge, coffee maker, microwave. I've got about 25 grand in it. I don't go camping where there are people. Put a TrackLoc in the rear end this summer so its much better at light duty offroad. Vans are the way to go.
Thanks for your insightful comment. I am not a truck owner, so a trailer is not in the cards for me, but for others, it seems like a less expensive opportunity. If I did pursue the RV lifestyle, there would be a bunch more learning I would need to do before putting down my hard-earned money, but for now, my conclusion is to drive a car and stay in hotels in the slower seasons when they are discounted. Yes, that involves compromise as well, but it works out best for me. Thanks for your comment.
@@GC-Hiker Unless you live in it full time, it is definitely expensive and not for saving money. Though there are folks on RUclips which are handy and built one for a total cost of 50~60K, including a vehicle. Living in it full time, which is not for me, but could save a lot of money on a home. If combined with remote work, could be a way to travel much more than is otherwise possible. I never owned any RV or a pickup, but might splurge with a campervan for the immersive experience, we'll see.
That sure would reduce costs! I used to tent camp, and the cost is minimal, but with age I thought I would explore if the comforts of an RV were worth it. Unfortunately, I cannot afford it.
We have had wonderful experiences in our RV that you will never get in a hotel. Watching the sunset/sunrise/stars in a remote Texas desert. Jamming with other musicians at music festivals. Sitting around the campfire at night enjoying the remoteness of our camping site. Taking our dog/cat with us on trips. The cost of our travels is not much different than staying in a hotel and eating in restaurants as we can cook our own meals and avoid paying the $20-$40 it costs to feed a couple these days. We can travel affordably as we have been able to find free places to stay overnight while on the way to our final destination and we can eat the food we brought with us . The slower speed and somewhat cumbersome handling of the RV is offset by not having to stop at a restaurant to eat while traveling, and the slower pace also allows for a more relaxed journey. For us the RV has been a great way for us to enjoy our retirement - it obviously isn't for everyone but works well for us. We bought a used RV and avoided the initial loss in value, I can do all the maintenance myself, and we have room to store the RV on our property and don't have to rent a spot at a storage lot. We bought a Class C and it has a nice shower, a normal toilet and sink....we have never had any problems with the water heater/furnace or air conditioner (I do proper maintenance and confirm all of these appliances work properly before we leave. (I will admit the RV is not all that well insulated and when the temperatures drop below 50 you have to put up with some chilly surfaces......barefoot on the floor will get you cold feet). I believe this RV will hold up for the rest of our travel days as it is not unusual to see these commercial engine/chassis to have 140,000 mile RV's on them.....we will likely not wear it out. The cost for us has not been anywhere near the values that you have stated - however if a person decides to buy new, has to pay somebody to do maintenance, has to pay for storage and doesn't try to travel economically , it can be expensive to own and RV. There is a good chance that this RV will have very little value by the time we get old and feeble and cannot travel in it anymore - but by that time the value of my old RV will likely not be the most serious issue in my life. By posting this video you have supported your reason for not wanting an RV............my experience has been far different and it isn't always about the money. My wife and I worked hard to be financially stable when we retired, and now it is time to spend some of it doing what makes us happy. Paying $100 or more to stay at hotel with sticky carpeting, eating bad food at the free breakfast bar, listening to the passing traffic at the freeway ramp or worrying about my car being broken into or vandalized while I am sleeping in a strange bed is not my lifestyle choice.
Thanks, I appreciate your alternative perspective and I am glad it is working out for you. If I had the money, I would probably like an RV, but I just cannot make the finances work. I agree that motels have their drawbacks, but you have also acknowledged that RVs do as well. Life is full of compromises and we all make the best decisions we can for ourselves and our families. Thanks for your comment and all the best to you.
I sleep in my own bed (no hotel), eat my own food (no restaurant) secured in my RV. I have had 2 RVs in the last 20 years. RV's are not for the faint hearted or mechanically deficient. Compared to the cost of RVing with gas and site stay is about 35-40% less than hotels and restaurant. You still have to put gas in your car. Why not travel in style...RV all the way.
We've been nomads for 4 years. Love it but its not for everybody. Thank god can you imagine how crowded it would be out here in the desert? Oh well. Regular life is so boring. You seem super high maintenance
It’s nice to have flexibility and freedom, travel at your own pace and change destinations on the fly, but high Initial and maintenance costs are great disadvantage. Anyway, I'd love to rent an RV sometime. It would be a great option to experience RV travel without the long-term commitment of ownership.
Renting before a purchase really does make sense, although it does defeat the goal of having a bed that only you have slept in. And, at least in my local, the cost of an RV rental exceeds the cost of a hotel, even before considering operating costs. But, despite the cost, it would be a great way of seeing if it is for you before buying one.
I have camped since I was 4 years old in 1964. Dad turned a school bus into a camper working on it after work and weekends for years. The cost for the bus was only $ 4,800 plus $ 8,000 in material not counting the years of time. That was 1968 to 1973 to build. The inflationary cost is probably 100 K !!! Do not do this we could have bought a used truck and airstream for that money and just enjoyed life.
Doing it yourself is a whole other ballgame. There is the potential for money savings, plus the involvement in making something work for you and your family. I am sure you had great times in the bus. I do not have the time or skills to do it for myself at this point in my life, and the cost is simply prohibitive for me. Thanks for your comment.
In our small neighborhood of 17 homes are 6 RVs. Two are Airstreams, the others are Winnebagos, all are newer. They haven’t moved in 6 years. Just saying.
Yes, I see that in my neighborhood as well. And when you look at used RVs, most have very low mileage. I think this is an example of when the dreams meet with reality. Thanks for your comment.
Everything is a compromise. RV's generally don't financially pencil out. And certainly not when used only a few weeks total a year (recognize this for all you who are not yet retired). Also, many people are simply not RV'ers. I've seen lots of RVs parked at their owner's homes unused for decades. On the other hand, you're not limited to eating out nearly every meal. That gets old very fast if you're spending two weeks or more away from your home on a frequent basis. You can make your RV your home with regards to how you decorate it. It can be a comfortable space when you're ducking the winter staying months down south where the weather can still be variable. It certainly makes no financial sense to own an RV if you're not going to use it.... ...a lot. If you're retired though, and you're going to spend four months a year away from your main home, would you really want to do that staying in a motel? I doubt it.. Another alternate consideration for those spending months away from their home; that would be those park model 800 or so square feet houses. I don't know much about them but have acquaintances who have one and love it. They are retired snowbirds, and I don't know the long-term financial ownership and eventual sale costs, but it's another consideration for certain types of people. And me? My custom cargo trailer arrives in April. I'll be converting it to an RV/toy-hauler. I'll be towing it with my Dodge pickup. While long, I can disconnect once at a camp site and drive around. I'll bring along my ATV and eBike. Hopefully I'll have it all finished by January 2026 and plan to spend a good six months a year in it, mostly a month at a time except during winter when it will likely be a three month or more adventure. Will it be the most economical option for me? I doubt it, but that much time on the road makes motels a No-Go for me.
I hear what you are staying, sleeping in motel beds is no pleasure for me as well, but with the number of nights I travel, the math does not work for me. Having a truck and towing a trialer is a whole different ball-game, and I imagine the math could work better. But I do not own a truck. Also, modifying your own trailer would save a lot of money and also make it your own. Sounds like you are on a good track to make it work for you and I wish you all the best.
If you have a family, you need an RV. The older ones were cheap. Campgrounds were about half price of a crappy hotel. I bought a 2001 Ford Itasca in 2013. It had 38000 miles on the V10 engine. It was not expensive = 6000 dollars. I put 40000 miles on it over ten years. I gave it to my son last year. The RV part was unsafe. All RVs are so POORLY made it is crazy. DONT BUY AN OLD RV UNLESS YOU PLAN TO PARK IT ON YOUR LAND. - old trailer
There used to be compelling deals on older RVs, some of which were hopefully better made than the new ones. Also, I think the relative value depends on how you use it, if you are working at a remote site where you live in it, it makes sense, but for my limited use, it just does not work out for me economically. Thanks for the point about build quality. That leads to a lot of disappointment for owners.
Do a video analysis on why living in an RV full time it's probably the worst idea in the world, it'll trigger a lot of people and potentially give you all kinds of views
Sounds like an interesting project. Capital loss on an RV versus capital gain on a home, which is tax-free if it is your personal residence for two years, would be fun. But I must say I am getting a bit tired of defending what works for me against the people who are dedicated to the RV lifestyle. But thanks for the great thought!
I bought an RV during the pandemic like 25% bellow market price, but then next year had to put like $20K worth of repairs, levelers, engine etc, fast forward into the future im using it 2 months and a half, that is 75 days yearly, but im basically running away from nasty weather, where i live in the month of July it can get to 120°, im probably a justifiable case since renting a house or staying at a extended stays hotel would cost me something like $13K to $15K for the 2.5 month stay vs what im spending traveling on my RV, at the moment staying in premium areas like beach towns im spending something like $3,400 for the 2.5 month stay, the savings are massive, how am i getting that well it's a combination, i try to stay where they will give me a monthly rate and when i can't stay for a monthly rate i stay where i can get 50% off using my ADA pass
I suppose everthing is a compromise and we all deal with different circumstances. I am glad the math pencils out for you, I just can't make it work for me. Thanks for your comment.
I think the mistake here is that you are basing everything on money. There are those of us that enjoy this lifestyle and are willing to pay for it. Why would we want to scrimp and save on something we enjoy , only to die with a bunch of money in the bank. I traveled for work and stayed in hotels for several hundred nights, completely different paradigm then the fun and flex ability of our camper van. It is different for every one and we say to each their own on what they enjoy. And yes sometimes we still stay in hotel if we so desire even with our camper van.
Thanks, I like the RV concept, but I just cannot afford it. I am glad you can, and if I had millions, I probably would as well. My video is solely about why I don't own an RV and I appreciate that many are very dedicated to their RV and the RV lifestyle. Thanks for your comment.
Yes, I agree that for the most part -- financially speaking (running the $$ numbers) -- an RV is pretty costly in a number of ways. To me, having an EXPENSIVE RV only makes sense if you LIVE in it full time, as you'd have no home mortgage or apartment rent to pay each month -- you can put those savings toward your RV while living in it on the road or parked at a RV park -- or paying it off if you didn't buy it cash (maybe by selling your house and hitting the road/RV parks (for whatever reasons, and yes, some reasons actually DO make sense!). If you DID buy it cash, then your RV living expenses would be WAY lower than home ownership/apt renting. As for noisy neighbors when camping, true, that's very possible but IME hotels are NO different, as there ware PLENTY of inconsiderate/loud people either in your same hall or in the room next to you. So no, a hotel isn't any better than a campsite in that "noise" context. Really, given how high the average home price is nowadays, a $150K RV (the number mentioned in the video, just for discussion) or even higher seems like a STEAL compared to a home...and all ITS associated costs to own. Regardless, I might have different reasons than most for getting an RV, but it'd be a very small towable (TT/camper) that would fit in a standard residential 2-car garage (so no off-site and $$$ monthly storage fees) and would cost ~$20K, maybe $35K max new -- much less used (but still fairly new, like 1-2 years old max). That would do fine for my needs... And although ALL RVs seem to be overpriced -- like the inflated/over-valued/over-priced housing market nowadays, not to mention the auto-market still too outrageously/price-gouging expensive -- for me $20-35K isn't "serious" money spent (even given my modest retirement income) compared to a "mid-range" $150K Class B (or more, like a $250K Winnebago Revel or equivalent) -- but then a Class B of ANY price wouldn't fit into my garage anyway! So no Class Bs for me! Besides, I already own the truck that is quite capable of towing a small TT/camper easily (on the hwy or off-road/trails)...and as I said, a small TT/camper is all I'd really need. Consequently, just for now (!) I'll pass on the 40-45' diesel $1M+ Prevost Marathon Class As, thanks....THOSE would be something I couldn't justify purchasing no matter how I tried (and I'm pretty good at justifying things)...UNLESS I lived in it! But first I'd have to be able afford it -- no way... ;-) -- BR
Thanks, there are so many issues to consider. Pulling a small trailer or camper with a truck is something that would likely cost much less (and allow garage storage), but is not open to me since I do not own or plan to purchase a truck. It is not that I am anti-truck, I owned and used them in a life gone by, but currently they are too ineffecient and cumbersome for my current lifestyle. There is also the tent-camping option, that I will probably revist a bit when the weather gets warmer. I appreciate your consideration of these complex issues. Thanks for your comment.
@@GC-Hiker My tow-vehicle is also my Daily Driver -- a 2021 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon...a mid-size truck with a basic & proven V6 N-A gas engine and Old School transfer case (not a dial like a Bronco). Of course, mid-size trucks usually get better MPG numbers than a full-size trucks with larger engines. And I didn't want a V8 anyway, diesel OR anything turbo. My potential TT/camper will weigh in @ 1500-2500lbs MAX, so my Jeep's 7000lbs towing-capacity can easily handle that. And since my truck is the "Top Dog off-road-focused/serious 4x4" in ALL the truck segments (compact to full-size, not just mid-size) -- a Rubicon -- my chosen camper can go wherever my Jeep can, which just by itself can go almost anywhere. I'm focusing my choices on TAXA Outdoors products, namely their 'Tiger Moth' and 'Cricket' models. Both will be almost a "custom" fit with my Jeep not only in appearance together -- meaning, they'll both look like serious off-road "products" -- but in actual/real performance as well. And being single (& no pets) a small (15' max, but 13' preferred) garage-able trailer/camper will work nicely (as mentioned earlier). But I do get where you're coming from. For example, if I already HAD a huge/full-size (and VERY expensive) 4x4 truck with a high payload capacity (like ~4000lbs) I'd get a truck camper for it as it seems even the "lightweight" ones are STILL too heavy! But I don't -- I have a mid-size and the payload capacity of my Gladiator is anemic. But really, I chose the Gladiator over a "Top Dog off-road-focused/serious 4x4" mid-size/SUV -- like a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon or Ford Bronco Wildtrak (Top Dog Bronco?) -- because their towing capacity (3500lbs) was WAY too low. My Gladiator does 7000 (as said). The Colorado ZR2 at that time (also 2021) could do 5000lbs -- my minimum requirement -- but couldn't GET one back then (GM's chip-shortage) so went with Plan B -- the Gladiator Rubicon (the Gladiator Mojave model wasn't even out yet, but neither was the Bronco IF I even wanted one (I didn't). Please note I was not trying to persuade or convince you (or anyone) to do as I did, I was just entering a different perspective when it comes to choosing RVs. But of course, the BEST one is what BEST suits your needs, budget -- and mission. ;-) >>Jeep Wave
You should always be armed, no matter where you go or stay. It's personal responsibility. RVs are definitely money pits. On average, they are used twenty days per year. That means about half are used less than that. That being said, I like ours, but we're retired and can afford to travel. We rarely stay in campgrounds or RV parks. We mostly boondock in National Forest and BLM land, and if we stay at Harvest Host locations while traveling to destinations.
I have a Subaru as well, which can serve as an emergency shelter and has pretty good access to lesser travelled roads. I used to camp when I was younger and high hotel prices are leading me back to trying some tent camping this Spring, the Subaru will serve as a back-up. I am just unsure how comfortable it will be with a few miles on my odometer!
20 year old hi top van, it turned a 100K in the Yukon this summer. Norcal and the west coast there is BLM land, NF, Dept of AG all over the place. Big comfy bed, diesel heater, fridge, coffee maker, induction and a microwave. The rear door slideout under the bed in back will hold all sorts of stuff, plus about 400 pounds of firewood. I've got about 25 grand in it. I don't go camping where there are people. Put a TrackLoc in the rear end this summer so its much better at light duty offroad. Vans are the way to go.
That is definately something to consider. In my youth, cars were no longer trustworthy after 100k, so I still have trouble travelling in a vehicle past that mileage, but your experience obviously shows that is no longer true. Sounds like you have found a great solution!
New RV's are built like 💩. t recently bought a 2024 Subaru Forester Wilderness. I added a roof top tent, some light camping gear and I'm set. Now in my mid 60's and retired, I take off and GO.
A multi-use car makes all the difference in the cost equation. I have an Outback, so I understand. But I am not sure I could climb down from that rooftop tent for a restroom break at night!
@@GC-Hiker okay I've been camping in rural areas for most of my life and never had any problems but I'm not from America so maybe that is the difference.
I am with you. I never owned one, but I have driven box trucks, and the thought of having one every day does not appeal to me. Plus, in modern times, I want the power to get away from the texting semis when the drift into my lane. RVs just do not have that power--at least not in my price range. Thanks for your comment.
We bought a long bed 4x4 truck with a topper and carpet type bed liner, It carries all our gear with ease. If we get in late, we just sleep in the back and pitch the tent in the morning. Mileage isn't great but when you adjust for the cost of regular vs premium, insurance and depreciation, TCO is cheaper on the pickup than my wife's C300. TBH the truck is quieter, rides better, and is more comfortable.
I recommend that you stay in your own personal home located in a big city crowded development where you will be “safe” . You can watch nature documentaries on your big screen TV with surround sound and imagine that you are actually hearing that owl screeching or that bull elk bugling. There’s already enough people in the woods that fit in like a pair of brown shoes with a tuxedo.
I get your drift, but there are plenty of places I get back-country where an RV cannot go. I do like the concept of an RV, I just cant get by the practical or cost issues. I wear slippers with a tux. ; )
@@GC-Hiker Thanks for being so light hearted about my comments. They were not meant to be a personal attack or insulting to you but were meant more specifically for some of the other commenters to your video. I didn't know how else to get that message out to "flatlander city folk" that truly do not belong in a rural setting. They rock climb but can't get back down, they get lost on hikes, they leave smoldering campfires etc, etc. These are the people that I was attempting to address and used your comment section as a podium. I fully understand and accept why you don't own an RV, it took me 65 years to convince myself to get one but the only regrets I have about it is that I waited so long to make that decision and that I don't get to use it as often as I want to due to weather limitations here in The Rockies. We use electric fat tire bikes to get further off the beaten path. Stay safe out there!
I really don’t like staying in hotels although at times we do. We have a cargo conversion & I love it. We can leave the dogs & bring our motorcycle. But, if we want the side by side we have to tent & trailer our sbs. RVs cost in gas is high & campgrounds cost but if not too big can stay on BLM land. If it breaks down you must hotel it ‘till fixed. Everywhere you sightsee you have to park uggggg. I’d like a van life much more.
I think there are trade-offs in everything. Doing your own conversion sure must cut the costs. Also, travelling with the dogs and bike require special considerations. The vans are attractive, but they sure are expensive! Thanks for your comment.
Why are you comparing RV's to a hotel room. Makes no sense. You buy an rv knowing all those things. Sounds like you want all the conveniences of a stationary home in an rv. This comparison is ridiculous. You're just complaining about costs. Then go stay in a hotel. If there's a mouse in my rv yes i have to get rid of it. In a hotel they have to get rid of it. That's one of your complaints. It's your rv you're supposed to take car of it. This is just ridiculous.
Fair enough, we all have our own differen criteria and make our own choices. For me, the alternative choice is a motel and cost is an important factor. All I am saying is this is my choice, not that it is the right choice for you or others.
You’ve completely missed this gentleman’s point. Perhaps rewatch it with a more open mind towards his point of view. He is not judging, simply saying that from a purely financial point of view, there is no argument that can support owning an RV.
Fair enough. We are all entitled to our own opinions. I think I was careful to clarify that these are MY reasons for not owning an RV, and everyone else is free to make up their own minds.
I’ve got a travel trailer with a sizable loan on it. I used it 4 times last year. Every month I regret buying that beast. I love using it while I am actually using it but for much of the year it’s an anchor around my neck. Still upside down on the payoff so here I sit (broke)en hearted
Thanks for that information. Sorry to hear about your millstone. I love the dream of RV living, but the reality you describe is just too expensive for me. Hopefully, in time, you will get above water and find a solution that works out best. I appreciate your comment.
I have been in the RV industry for 15 years. I have had a RUclips channel for 3 1/2 years. on my RUclips channel and on my podcast, I have always said that RV is not a financial decision. It is a lifestyle decision. Any lifestyle comes with cost! Whether you build out your own van. Whether you build out a school bus to be a home. Whether you want to go visit all national parks by sleeping in a car. Whether you just wanna sit at home and watch Netflix Netflix all day. Absolutely everything cost money. so I appreciate this video and the amount of effort it took for this gentleman to do this video in hindsight you really have to make a lifestyle decision. if you make it all about money then you will never RV because it comes with cost like anything else, including boats, including Powersports like dirt bikes, etc.
Making lifestyle decision
Kind of like giving in to the idol
Vanity most all is vanity
Thanks, I appreciate your thoughful comment, I try to be rational in most of my decisions and from a rational standpoint, it just does not work for me, but I undertand well the allure of the lifestyle and have no personal criticism of those who pursue it. Here is a link to your channel: www.youtube.com/@HBRVLifestyle
@ yeah it’s hard to get into anything like boats or RVs or dirt bikes, or anything like that if you think about it rationally. It’s a very emotional thing unfortunately and fortunately
@@HBRVLifestyle I agree.
@@Jj-gi2uv it’s all perception. There has been used RVs for sale in abundance for decades.
I started RV’ing 8 years ago and it is the best thing I’ve done for myself. My favorite way to travel. And I am not stopping anytime soon.
Sounds great, I am glad it works out well for you, I simply cannot afford it.
Wow! Everyone considering an RV should watch this! I knew they were expensive but your analysis really makes it clear.
Thanks! I am glad you found it useful.
My wife and I conducted a similar evaluation and ultimately decided to walk away from our dream of RVing. From a financial perspective, the numbers simply didn’t add up compared to staying in hotels and Airbnb rentals. Over a five-year period, assuming 120 nights per year on the road (we are fully retired), we found a cost difference of $142,000 in favor of hotels and rentals.
In the past few years, we’ve driven over 30,000 miles in our well-equipped F-150, exploring much of Canada and parts of the U.S. Currently, we’re in Palm Springs, CA, having left our home in Ontario in mid-November. I agree entirely with the points made in your video, particularly regarding the convenience of hotels-hot water, real beds, and often a complimentary hot breakfast make a significant difference.
We come from the boating world, which, like the RV industry, is heavily driven by emotion. From a purely financial standpoint, boat ownership rarely makes sense, and the same can be said for RV ownership. That said, there’s nothing wrong with purchasing a boat or RV to fulfill a dream, as long as you fully understand and are prepared for the financial implications.
Finally, it’s worth noting that the RV industry is facing serious challenges. Manufacturer defects, breakdowns, a lack of qualified service technicians, parts shortages, and declining quality are at an all-time high. Additionally, resale values are plummeting due to an abundance of used inventory, much of which resulted from impulse purchases during the COVID-19 pandemic.
While we respect that everyone’s situation is different, for us, the decision to pass on the RV lifestyle was a clear one.
Thanks for sharing your insight.
I bought a van 4 yrs ago, have put 90,000 miles on it. My favorite way to travel.
Sounds like it works out well for you, glad to hear an alternative perspective!
Very observant and practical comments.
I had a three quarter ton Chevy pick up towing a 5th wheel.
I found it impractical and expensive for where I wanted to go.
I travel extensively now in a Prius camping and boondocking wherever I want with an attached tent called a Tail Veil .
Reliable and With the low profile INNO top box for assorted camping equipment, awning and pop up toilet/ shower room it still gets 42-44 mpg.
I exclusively boondock in nature and occasionally stealth camp in towns and cities .
Minimalism can be its own reward.
That sounds like a very economical alternative. I used to have an Element with a tailgate tent, and I loved it. Prius also now has AWD available, which might be appealing for adverse weather and light off-road capability. Thanks for describing your experiences!
@GC-Hiker I have the # priusoffroad lift kit and skid plate.
Helps.😎
@@Always_sojourning Sound like great modifications!
I’ve got a travel trailer with a sizable loan on it. I used it 4 times last year. Every month I regret buying that beast. I love using it while I am actually using it but for much of the year it’s an anchor around my neck. Still upside down on the payoff so here I sit (broke)en hearted
Thanks for that information. Sorry to hear about your millstone. I love the dream of RV living, but the reality you describe is just too expensive for me. Hopefully, in time, you will get above water and find a solution that works out best. I appreciate your comment.
I camp in my minivan, works great and is stealth and dual purpose
A dual purpose mini-van may well be the best solution to this dilemna. I have thought long and hard about that alternative. Thanks for your recommendation.
Totally agree. An RV might fill an emotional space in our lives but digs a rather large financial hole that we quite frankly don't want.
Well put. I really do feel the tug of the RV, but I just can't justify the cost and the practical aspects.
As a truck driver for over 44 years( Retired now) I'd lay over at least 1 night per week and was offered a sleeper or Hotel, I chose the Hotel all those years.
I like the minivan idea where if I'm tired from driving,I can sleep the night in a safe parking lot and save some cash to boot. Being a nerd or "practical person" and spender might go against a "freespirit's" (live free) mentality. But with the Minivan, I can kinda have the best of both worlds. Plus it's our already owned vehicle. Great video
Thanks. The multi-use aspect of the mini-van makes it an economical alternative. Plus, hybrids like the Sienna can run all night and provide heat or air, which is desirable, but have you looked at the prices! I keep thinking about a minivan camper, but I have not yet found a way to make it work. Let me know how it works out for you!
@@GC-Hiker Yeah, I hear ya on the pricing. I get that Honda and Toyota are great cars but really? crazy pricing. I did a ton of research and we just purchaced our 5th Dodge/Chrysler.
We decided against an RV for the same reasons, but storage is even another big annual cost I didn’t hear you mention. After camping for many years in a tent we upgraded to a new teardrop trailer. It will depreciate much slower than an RV and we can tow it easily with our Subaru and still get 22MPG. Storage is free because it fits in our garage.
I never got to the storage issue or some of the others because the math was overwhelming for me on just the operating costs and captial depreciation. The trailer sounds like an interesting alternative, but as a "car guy," I just can't cope with the idea of towing, particularly those trailers that have only two wheels. Personally, I see that as a high risk drive, but that is probably just me. I am glad to hear it works for you.
I have a daily use cargo box truck for my delivery business that easily converts to a RV in about 30 minutes by adding specially modified modules I made and furniture including power, water and a full service bathroom. If interested my Conversion ideas are linked from my YT channel description.
Had all kinds. Large super C Caterpillar diesel, 5er toy haueler, trailers, truck campers and camp vans. All had their uses at the time. We're riders, hikers, kayakers. The ability to put your hotel room and gear where you want, when you want is fantastic. Family is cloaer because of it. Currently have toy hauler trailer, diesel 4x4 to tow, recover gear. May go back to camper van, my personal favorite. 90 to 110 days a year in em, cheaper per day more you use. I'm very glad we do so.
Thanks for the alternative perspective. I think the number of days of use can really change the results. Glad it is working out well for you.
It's just like buying a boat, "The two happiest days in a boat owner's life are the day they buy the boat and the day they sell it."
Well said. For the last decade, I dreamed of getting a van and I researched how to build one for a fraction of the cost and with 10 times better appointments. But then I remembered that you don’t “own things“ and that “things on you“.
Enter now al the woke crap and the “criminals are more important than regular people crap” and now if you park a van in most urban areas, you’re lucky if you come back and the windows are intact. I have also read many travel blogs where in the northwest United States that Vans at trailheads are constantly broken into.
Bottom line building something that I would cherish and then having to worry about it everywhere I park it is just not worth the hassle.
Something I have flirted with is converting a stealth non-descriptive cargo trailer. That is a whole Nother conversation. It can be extremely inexpensive and it can be luxurious inside. But you still need to have something to pull it.
LOL. That is what I said about the one Fiat I owned. I think for many, the dreams clash with the reality.
I think it’s actually “There are only two happy days”… LOL
@@GC-Hiker FIX IT AGAIN TONY !!! (FIAT)
@@cajunjamis9001 It was an 850 Spyder. Great fun the two days it ran.
It's really fun, friend, we really enjoyed this review that you brought
Thanks so much for watching!
This is EXACTLY why I converted my suv into a camper instead of buying an RV.. I think it only makes sense if you’re going to use it almost everyday
Agreed, the cost is much less when the usage days increase, plus an SUV can be a dual use vehicle. Thanks for your comment.
Very nice happy new year my friend 🤝
A very Happy New Year to you as well.
RV comes with a high maintenance we decided, we can pay a lots of nice hotels with that money and not worry about rv
That is the same thing that I decided as well.
We’ve had four of them over 30 years. Yes, even buying used with our own property to store them on; they are very expensive and massively time consuming to fix and maintain. But… We have had our best family memories getting to some very beautiful places. At this point in life a second getaway home that will probably have massive appreciation is a much better way for us. It also allows us to have a second community of friends, hiking buddies at church members.
It makes sense. The RV may well give great experiences, but to me, it is also expensive. Real property has appreciated so much recently, it is probably a more economically logical alternative. Thanks for your comment.
You are accurately observant. I have lost count of how many times, sleeping in my one-person tent, heard the bypassing RVers complaining about how far the rest room building is. Most RVers would be better off to buy a few big trees from nurseries and BBQ under them right in their homes.
LOL. That really makes sense! The capital cost of a tent and any other equipment is recaptured in one night's hotel stay.
You’ve listed all the reasons why I got rid of my RV. Thx.
Thank you for the confirmation of my analysis.
If we do anything on 4 wheels it’s car camping. RVs were a dream of a different generation
Car camping really makes economical sense. I was suprised to see the RV industry reports the average age of a first-time rv buyer in 2023 was 32. If true, young people are making a lot more money than I ever realized.
Love our 2017 Roadtrek 190, had a 170 for 10 years and had a lot of good times. We don't need anything big and it's nice to park in our own driveway.
Those certainly are attractive vehicles. Glad to hear that it has worked out well for you.
I own a 2021 Tiffin Wayfarer and I love it. I know staying at the motel costs less, but I realize that if I want that motel for a week on the sand beach is impossible. So RV is the only solution for me and my family. Remember RV is not for everyone.
I agree completely. There are definately advantages to RVs, it is just with my style of travel and my frequency of use (and my budget), it just does not work out for me. Thanks for sharing your experience.
You are 100% correct Sir. I use a 12' long cargo box truck for our daily sprout and vegetable business deliveries. BUT I can easily convert it to a RV within 30 minutes utilizing my modular designed appliances and furniture for our mountain camping trips and site seeing vacations. We also provide FREE Dental clinics to remote regions and I have modular connections and facilities for our dental partners. When I see people spend $100,000++ for an RV that sits in the driveway for most of the year I think to myself, the owners must have *MORE MONEY THAN BRAINS* If interested, my multi use cargo truck build and design is linked in my channel description.
Thanks, here is a link to your channel: www.youtube.com/@PhilippinesFarmLife/videos
@GC-Hiker Thank you sir
@@PhilippinesFarmLife : )
Great comparison ❤ 👍 really thinking about buying one, but the more bad thing is our city ordinance does not allow RVs to be parked in driveways, and parking at farms or RV parks requires another extra fee😂
Yes, the storage fees also can add up, plus there is the issue with mice when you store. For me, it makes sense to drive a car and stay in a motel, but we all have different budgets and considerations. Thanks for your comment.
Wow. Hearing your thought process is SO fascinating. Please expand in other videos. You are special.
Okie dokie. Thanks, I guess?
Counterpoints:
Many hotels are filthy, and I've stayed in quite a few with HVAC / water / mold etc etc issues. First time you bring home bed bugs from your hotel stay you'll be reconsidering your travel preferences. Most nice places or tourist destinations require reservations sometimes years in advance.
Plenty of "RV" options that don't require manual leveling.
You can opt for an outdoor shower if the indoor shower isn't a great fit for you.
Hotels have their own dangers, too, and personal protection preferences are irrelevant of lodging choice.
Picking a gas class B vs a diesels to highlight poor gas mileage is disingenuous.
There are a wide range of purchase options in the travel van / class B world. Plenty of great choices WELL under $150K. Your hotel stays are a sunk cost, and you always have some residual value with the (admittedly depreciating) RV. If you can find a 4 year old $150K unit for $50K, would sure like to know your source. And who cares about the cost someone else bore? Make a good financial analysis & decision in all major purchases ... that's common sense. If the last guy lost his shorts buying new off the lot and didn't use it much, not my problem. Again, really slanted take.
"Eye-opening"? Hardly. Really, it all comes down to how often you want to travel and how able you are to operate in it and afford the additional costs. It's a luxury to own & enjoy a nice travel van or Class B, much like it is to stay in nicer hotels. I like being able to leave on a whim with the dog and not worry about having reserved good lodging, since it's nearly always reserved at desirable locations.
Sounds like it's definitely not a good choice for you - fine. No need to paint with such a broad brush, though, as it's a fantastic choice for many others. There's a reason there are so many of them on the road these days.
Thanks, I appreciate your alternative perspective and I am confident others will as well. I think carrying your own bed is one of the most attractive aspects of owning an RV for me.
I have fiddled with gasoline powered vehicles for my whole life and I am familiar with them, which is why I chose that for my comparison, but I do understand that diesels get better gas mileage, it is just not what I would choose for myself, and I was carefully evaluating the possibility of getting an RV.
I do hope I did not imply that this video was about anything other than my decision not to own an RV. If I had a much bigger budget, I would own one, but unfortunately, I do not. Costs prevent me from owning an RV.
Thanks for sharing your alternative perspective and happy travels to you!
@@GC-Hiker Always enjoy the discussion - thank you for the content. Cheers!
I’m still happy with my wife after 35 years, one’s life experience, isn’t my neighbors. I love my camper van too!
Agreed. We all have different experiences and make different decisions. I am glad it is working out for you.
Just like a boat, what are the two happiest days of your life?
The day you buy your RV and the day you sell your RV.
We had our RV for 6 years. The last couple of years we were battling water leaks. I was spending more time fretting over my RV than time enjoying it. We were SO happy to finally get rid of it. I don't think many RV's are very well made and there are lots of things that can go wrong that you have to deal with. It would take a lot of nights in a hotel to equal the cost of an RV.
The two best days... That is something for everyone to give careful thought. Thank you for confirming my worst fears about RV ownership.
You just convinced me to not buy the camper van i was looking at. The math just doesn’t make sense for me. I can just stay at hotels and travel anywhere I want.
That's how the calculation worked out for me. I am glad it was helpful. Lots of comments offer a different perspecitve as well, though.
With five medium sized dogs using an RV for all our vacations is the only way we are able to travel. Our current RV we bought when it was 5 years old class A for $75K. I do all the maitence and repairs. It is expensive, but I it is the price we are willing to pay to sit around a campfire in the woods with our dogs.
That makes sense. Buying used reduces the costs and special circumstances justify the expense. I certainly do not mean that RVs are wrong for everyone. If I were rich, I would own one, but for me, the costs simply outweigh the benefits. Thanks for your comment.
I'm always surprised how some people just buy the RV on a whim and people did this during the pandemic. I would think you would want to rent one and take a week or two long trip to at least get a sense of how it is. That's interesting you bring your own pillow with you. I never thought about that. You might have just ruined hotel pillows for me 😆
Trying an RV out through rentals is the way to go, especially if it is your first time out. It really separates dreams from reality. I rented a variety of builds for varying lengths of time -- weekends to weeks. I ended up getting something completely different from what I initially set out for. Features I thought were deal breakers were cast aside while some didn't care features became must haves.
@@robertsurtees4380 That's awesome to hear that the rental process really helped you make a decision. I would love to try and rent an RV one day to experience it.
LOL about the pillow. Just to demonstrate how OCD I have become about it, I wash it and the pillow case in hot water as soon as I get home as well.
I think you are right about the impulse buy. I think many people get caught up in the dream of travel and exploration before doing the math. I am glad that I took the time to do the math, because there is no way I can imagine with my income that I could ever justify the purchase. If I were rich, I might have a very different opinion. Thanks for your comment.
I and my family will to continue to stay in campings in Europe. We never had big problems but you are right, sometimes the noise can be very annoying. RVs are an expensive luxury, unless you are retired and can use it all the time.
Yes, I think the math depends on how many days of the year you use the RV. Some people do it full-time, but that would just not be for me.
I bought a brand new travel trailer 10 years ago and have enjoyed it. I usually get bored with something after 7 years so it may be time to sell my trailer soon. I bought a 4x4 a couple of years ago and have been camping also. My trailer is at a storage yard and I don't take it out as much anymore because California RV parks are booked year around anymore.
It is amazing that the RV parks are that busy! Glad to hear that you are enjoying the various ways of getting out there and camping and that the trailer worked well for you.
I’d suggest a minivan like mine.
That really makes the most sense. I have and still think about that option. Thanks for the tip.
We travel and use our 5th wheel often love it. Our portable vacation home.
I am glad it has worked out well for you.
I have a truck camper, it's great but very glad I can take it off when not using! By the way. I will be hiking the Grand Canyon Sunday the 12th! Hope to see you there if it coincides with your hike!
The truck camper option makes sense, although those slide-ins can get pricey too. But at least the capital cost of the truck can go to other uses. I hope you have a great hike at the Canyon, I will miss you by only a few days. What trail are you doing?
@ we have a permit to camp at havasupi gardens. I think we will hike in bright angel and out sk. I was thinking we could explore tonto west a little bit Sunday afternoon
@@DaveHoffmancowboyhiker Sounds like a great hike. I would much rather go up South Kaibab then down, but you have been doing all that stair training! I do have a video on that loop: ruclips.net/video/HXYP9WddR78/видео.html
I hope you post a video of your hike!
@ thank you for your intell on tonto west! I will post a video!
@@DaveHoffmancowboyhiker Looking forward to it. If I miss it, send me a link and I will post it.
We've been dealing with this same dilemma and have decided to get a used truck with an ORU pop-up camper. We are going bare bones with the camper so we can still use it as a truck if we don't end up using it as much as we imagine for camping. A truck still gets worse gas mileage than a car but it was a good compromise for us. Plus resell ln a good truck is much higher. We will see what happens!
That does make more sense. Plus, when a truck ages, you can replace it and put your camper on the new unit. But the gas mileage and site costs still are a factor in a truck camper. All the best with your project, and let me know how it goes!
Got my RV for $24,000 in 2007, it's a 2001 pleasure way class B, I never want to get rid of it. I live in Vegas and take it up north and other places all summer for cheap 450 to 650 on average at RV parks usually in Elko or Ely Nevada where the weather is great all summer, but if I had to buy an RV now they are too expensive, might be better to buy an order one but best I think is to already have an older one that you've taken care of
Nice to hear it has worked out for you. Probaly older quality RVs are better build as well. If I were to buy, after a bit of research, used would be the way for me to go.
That was a great analysis, thank you!
Thank you.
I've always had a thing for Airstreams - I love the idea of your own living space that you can take with you. They are, however, extremely expensive; and while the resale value is high, it can't overcome the loss you'll take selling it used. Like you, after looking at real numbers, I can't justify the purchase - but I can still dream! In the meantime, I go with tents or hotels. Thanks for the clear analysis of costs.
Those airstreams are really beautiful, plus you can use your car when you park. But along with the costs, there is also the issue of safety when towing (and stress as well). My decision is the same as yours, stay in a hotel, and I will be trying out some camping again this Spring to try to save some money and closer to nature! Thanks for your comment.
Do not feel bad! You made the correct decision. I literally spent the last decade researching and designing my own custom high-end van build. I went on tours of the airstream factory in Ohio. I visited almost every custom van builder I could locate.
The one thing I learned is, is that the high-end vans from airstream, or the high-end trailers, are a complete absolute rip off.
While they are some of the nicest in terms of aesthetics and coolness, there is a far better solution that you should strongly consider. If you buy a used or new cargo trailer, you can customize it. You can put in much higher quality materials, including a better refrigerator system, including a high-end Eternal battery system, including even a Stealth mini split air conditioning heating system.
I also do not want windows that signal that there may be something valuable in my cargo trailer. So my intention is not to put any windows in at all. I will have 360° hidden cameras.
There’s another thing you need to know that’s critical. If you speak to any attorney, who’s an expert in consumer law you will learn that people who buy RVs are totally screwed legally. There is no lemon law protection.
Best of luck, my friend. Keep your money in your pocket
@@LJ-jq8og Thank you!
I don't hike Grand Canyon as often as you, but when I go there, a night at Maswik Lodge is all I need, because after that I'm heading down one of the trails for several nights below the rim. If I took an RV, I'd be paying for several nights of, essentially, storage rather than use. Most of my hikes, though, are in the High Sierra. Many of the trails I prefer aren't even accessible by an RV, some not even by a standard car. I suppose I could pull my Jeep behind an RV, but that still would mean I'd have to store the RV somewhere--probably for a fee--as I head off to the trailhead in the Jeep. Beyond that, I don't much like staying in large campgrounds. Sometimes I have to spend my pre-hike night in one, but I certainly wouldn't want to spend my whole trip there. As you note, often the neighbors are noisy, and the scenery, while better than that at home, never is as good as the scenery on the trail.
Good points. Plus, there is the risk of theft and vandalism to the RV when you are away. I am agreement with you that being alone in nature is usually the best way to go. Thanks for your comment.
What a great topic! We once had a dream of an RV and did go looking. However, it wasn't in our reality. I have a been a long time personal pillow carrier 😅 I really like a good hotel, motel stay! Some RVs cost the same as a home in the suberbs!
I really like the RV dream, I just cannot afford the reality. In honesty, you can drive a passenger car and stay in the Hilton for less than the RV, although I always seek humbler hotels. I do sleep much better since I started carrying my own pillow! Thanks for watching!
Very good video with plenty of observations one must consider. My family and I have been considering a small RV or travel trailer for many years. However, the things you articulated have held us at bay-not to mention storage fees for a place that will keep the elements and rodents out.
Thank you. If you cannot store it at your house, that is another expense. As a person of modest means, I just cannot justify the cost of an RV, even ignoring the practical matters. Thanks for your comment.
@@GC-Hiker My wife and I have rented them in the past and found this to be a more practical and financially responsible way to get our RV fix.
Hello friend. That's a very interesting video. Thank you for sharing. Happy New Year😍😍
Thank you, and Happy New Year to you as well!
All my neighbors have rvs, from class a, truck campers, small trailers,5th wheels. They all use them once or twice a year in the summer, the rest of the time they are in storage or sitting on their property. I wonder what % of owners actually use them often.??😊
Aside from the high initial cost, the cost per use really emphasizes to me the difference between the dream and the reality of RV ownership. Thanks for your comment.
@GC-Hiker yes my wife says a 50 dollor purse used daily is alot different than a 100k rv used a couple times a year. That's how she justifies her closet full of purses and shoes.😳🤣
@@elflordsjourneys LOL. It sounds like a less-expensive road to happiness!
well explained
Thank you.
There's no financial justification for getting a camper van, class B type. You keep saying "RV" but a trailer type RV are quite economical, especially if you get one used and own a pickup anyway. Some smaller ones can be towed by smaller SUVs and there's also roof top popup tents, that costs even less. A class B is probably the most $ / sq ft.
Thinking of class B anyway, there are a few clear advantages, I think the main one is that is a very immersive experience and that one can be driven to remote places, BLM lands and, yes, in rain and light snow too.
The experience you get from a motel is forgettable at best, if it went well. You use it for function and utility.
If you plan to stay only in traditional campsites, you're doing it wrong. Also, don't buy a campervan from well known RV brands.
Otherwise, I agree with all your points.
20 year old hi top van, it turned a 100K in the Yukon this summer. Norcal and the west coast there is BLM land, NF, Dept of AG all over the place. Big comfy bed, diesel heater, fridge, coffee maker, microwave. I've got about 25 grand in it. I don't go camping where there are people. Put a TrackLoc in the rear end this summer so its much better at light duty offroad. Vans are the way to go.
Thanks for your insightful comment. I am not a truck owner, so a trailer is not in the cards for me, but for others, it seems like a less expensive opportunity.
If I did pursue the RV lifestyle, there would be a bunch more learning I would need to do before putting down my hard-earned money, but for now, my conclusion is to drive a car and stay in hotels in the slower seasons when they are discounted. Yes, that involves compromise as well, but it works out best for me. Thanks for your comment.
@@GC-Hiker Unless you live in it full time, it is definitely expensive and not for saving money. Though there are folks on RUclips which are handy and built one for a total cost of 50~60K, including a vehicle.
Living in it full time, which is not for me, but could save a lot of money on a home. If combined with remote work, could be a way to travel much more than is otherwise possible.
I never owned any RV or a pickup, but might splurge with a campervan for the immersive experience, we'll see.
Yup, I am not goin the RV route, solid info young man👍👍
Thank you. For me, it is appealing, until I do the math. I just don't have that kind of excess income.
Brilliant video!
Many thanks!
I'm thinkin' my old shop foreman with an attitude and a fancy class b rv for vacays doesn't look quite so savvy, now.
LOL. I think some people work hard to justify the decisions they have made.
Your RV could be as simple as a gravel bike with bags.
That sure would reduce costs! I used to tent camp, and the cost is minimal, but with age I thought I would explore if the comforts of an RV were worth it. Unfortunately, I cannot afford it.
We have had wonderful experiences in our RV that you will never get in a hotel. Watching the sunset/sunrise/stars in a remote Texas desert. Jamming with other musicians at music festivals. Sitting around the campfire at night enjoying the remoteness of our camping site. Taking our dog/cat with us on trips. The cost of our travels is not much different than staying in a hotel and eating in restaurants as we can cook our own meals and avoid paying the $20-$40 it costs to feed a couple these days. We can travel affordably as we have been able to find free places to stay overnight while on the way to our final destination and we can eat the food we brought with us . The slower speed and somewhat cumbersome handling of the RV is offset by not having to stop at a restaurant to eat while traveling, and the slower pace also allows for a more relaxed journey. For us the RV has been a great way for us to enjoy our retirement - it obviously isn't for everyone but works well for us. We bought a used RV and avoided the initial loss in value, I can do all the maintenance myself, and we have room to store the RV on our property and don't have to rent a spot at a storage lot. We bought a Class C and it has a nice shower, a normal toilet and sink....we have never had any problems with the water heater/furnace or air conditioner (I do proper maintenance and confirm all of these appliances work properly before we leave. (I will admit the RV is not all that well insulated and when the temperatures drop below 50 you have to put up with some chilly surfaces......barefoot on the floor will get you cold feet). I believe this RV will hold up for the rest of our travel days as it is not unusual to see these commercial engine/chassis to have 140,000 mile RV's on them.....we will likely not wear it out. The cost for us has not been anywhere near the values that you have stated - however if a person decides to buy new, has to pay somebody to do maintenance, has to pay for storage and doesn't try to travel economically , it can be expensive to own and RV. There is a good chance that this RV will have very little value by the time we get old and feeble and cannot travel in it anymore - but by that time the value of my old RV will likely not be the most serious issue in my life. By posting this video you have supported your reason for not wanting an RV............my experience has been far different and it isn't always about the money. My wife and I worked hard to be financially stable when we retired, and now it is time to spend some of it doing what makes us happy. Paying $100 or more to stay at hotel with sticky carpeting, eating bad food at the free breakfast bar, listening to the passing traffic at the freeway ramp or worrying about my car being broken into or vandalized while I am sleeping in a strange bed is not my lifestyle choice.
This!
Thanks, I appreciate your alternative perspective and I am glad it is working out for you. If I had the money, I would probably like an RV, but I just cannot make the finances work.
I agree that motels have their drawbacks, but you have also acknowledged that RVs do as well. Life is full of compromises and we all make the best decisions we can for ourselves and our families. Thanks for your comment and all the best to you.
I sleep in my own bed (no hotel), eat my own food (no restaurant) secured in my RV. I have had 2 RVs in the last 20 years. RV's are not for the faint hearted or mechanically deficient. Compared to the cost of RVing with gas and site stay is about 35-40% less than hotels and restaurant. You still have to put gas in your car. Why not travel in style...RV all the way.
Thanks for sharing that alternative perspective!
We've been nomads for 4 years. Love it but its not for everybody. Thank god can you imagine how crowded it would be out here in the desert? Oh well. Regular life is so boring. You seem super high maintenance
I am glad it is working out for you. Honestly, I miss my bed after a few weeks of travel. We are all different and I wish you all the best.
It’s nice to have flexibility and freedom, travel at your own pace and change destinations on the fly, but high Initial and maintenance costs are great disadvantage. Anyway, I'd love to rent an RV sometime. It would be a great option to experience RV travel without the long-term commitment of ownership.
Renting before a purchase really does make sense, although it does defeat the goal of having a bed that only you have slept in. And, at least in my local, the cost of an RV rental exceeds the cost of a hotel, even before considering operating costs. But, despite the cost, it would be a great way of seeing if it is for you before buying one.
You forgot the most important reason, most RV's are junk. The only way to afford an rv is that you have money to throw away.
Good point. I was shocked to learn of the number of problems and repairs necessary on brand new RVs.
I have camped since I was 4 years old in 1964. Dad turned a school bus into a camper working on it after work and weekends for years. The cost for the bus was only $ 4,800 plus $ 8,000 in material not counting the years of time. That was 1968 to 1973 to build. The inflationary cost is probably 100 K !!! Do not do this we could have bought a used truck and airstream for that money and just enjoyed life.
Doing it yourself is a whole other ballgame. There is the potential for money savings, plus the involvement in making something work for you and your family. I am sure you had great times in the bus. I do not have the time or skills to do it for myself at this point in my life, and the cost is simply prohibitive for me. Thanks for your comment.
In our small neighborhood of 17 homes are 6 RVs. Two are Airstreams, the others are Winnebagos, all are newer. They haven’t moved in 6 years. Just saying.
Yes, I see that in my neighborhood as well. And when you look at used RVs, most have very low mileage. I think this is an example of when the dreams meet with reality. Thanks for your comment.
If anyone is interested in the RV experience, rent one and see how it goes.
Best advice in this thread, and another important point that the OP omitted.
That makes total sense.
Everything is a compromise.
RV's generally don't financially pencil out. And certainly not when used only a few weeks total a year (recognize this for all you who are not yet retired). Also, many people are simply not RV'ers. I've seen lots of RVs parked at their owner's homes unused for decades.
On the other hand, you're not limited to eating out nearly every meal. That gets old very fast if you're spending two weeks or more away from your home on a frequent basis. You can make your RV your home with regards to how you decorate it. It can be a comfortable space when you're ducking the winter staying months down south where the weather can still be variable.
It certainly makes no financial sense to own an RV if you're not going to use it.... ...a lot. If you're retired though, and you're going to spend four months a year away from your main home, would you really want to do that staying in a motel? I doubt it..
Another alternate consideration for those spending months away from their home; that would be those park model 800 or so square feet houses. I don't know much about them but have acquaintances who have one and love it. They are retired snowbirds, and I don't know the long-term financial ownership and eventual sale costs, but it's another consideration for certain types of people.
And me? My custom cargo trailer arrives in April. I'll be converting it to an RV/toy-hauler. I'll be towing it with my Dodge pickup. While long, I can disconnect once at a camp site and drive around. I'll bring along my ATV and eBike. Hopefully I'll have it all finished by January 2026 and plan to spend a good six months a year in it, mostly a month at a time except during winter when it will likely be a three month or more adventure. Will it be the most economical option for me? I doubt it, but that much time on the road makes motels a No-Go for me.
I hear what you are staying, sleeping in motel beds is no pleasure for me as well, but with the number of nights I travel, the math does not work for me.
Having a truck and towing a trialer is a whole different ball-game, and I imagine the math could work better. But I do not own a truck. Also, modifying your own trailer would save a lot of money and also make it your own. Sounds like you are on a good track to make it work for you and I wish you all the best.
If you have a family, you need an RV. The older ones were cheap. Campgrounds were about half price of a crappy hotel. I bought a 2001 Ford Itasca in 2013. It had 38000 miles on the V10 engine. It was not expensive = 6000 dollars. I put 40000 miles on it over ten years. I gave it to my son last year. The RV part was unsafe. All RVs are so POORLY made it is crazy. DONT BUY AN OLD RV UNLESS YOU PLAN TO PARK IT ON YOUR LAND. - old trailer
There used to be compelling deals on older RVs, some of which were hopefully better made than the new ones. Also, I think the relative value depends on how you use it, if you are working at a remote site where you live in it, it makes sense, but for my limited use, it just does not work out for me economically. Thanks for the point about build quality. That leads to a lot of disappointment for owners.
Do a video analysis on why living in an RV full time it's probably the worst idea in the world, it'll trigger a lot of people and potentially give you all kinds of views
Sounds like an interesting project. Capital loss on an RV versus capital gain on a home, which is tax-free if it is your personal residence for two years, would be fun. But I must say I am getting a bit tired of defending what works for me against the people who are dedicated to the RV lifestyle. But thanks for the great thought!
T/Y GC, you saved me $$$$ !
Thanks for your comment.
I bought an RV during the pandemic like 25% bellow market price, but then next year had to put like $20K worth of repairs, levelers, engine etc, fast forward into the future im using it 2 months and a half, that is 75 days yearly, but im basically running away from nasty weather, where i live in the month of July it can get to 120°, im probably a justifiable case since renting a house or staying at a extended stays hotel would cost me something like $13K to $15K for the 2.5 month stay vs what im spending traveling on my RV, at the moment staying in premium areas like beach towns im spending something like $3,400 for the 2.5 month stay, the savings are massive, how am i getting that well it's a combination, i try to stay where they will give me a monthly rate and when i can't stay for a monthly rate i stay where i can get 50% off using my ADA pass
I suppose everthing is a compromise and we all deal with different circumstances. I am glad the math pencils out for you, I just can't make it work for me. Thanks for your comment.
I think they have banned RV's in California. I know in most places, you can't park them on the street.
I guess that makes storage an extra cost.
I think the mistake here is that you are basing everything on money. There are those of us that enjoy this lifestyle and are willing to pay for it. Why would we want to scrimp and save on something we enjoy , only to die with a bunch of money in the bank. I traveled for work and stayed in hotels for several hundred nights, completely different paradigm then the fun and flex ability of our camper van. It is different for every one and we say to each their own on what they enjoy. And yes sometimes we still stay in hotel if we so desire even with our camper van.
Thanks, I like the RV concept, but I just cannot afford it. I am glad you can, and if I had millions, I probably would as well. My video is solely about why I don't own an RV and I appreciate that many are very dedicated to their RV and the RV lifestyle. Thanks for your comment.
Ha, I'm a personal pillow carrier AND personal coffee maker!
Me too! It was getting a bit to far afield to mention it in this video, but a $10 coffee maker from Walmart saves me time and money on the road.
Yes, I agree that for the most part -- financially speaking (running the $$ numbers) -- an RV is pretty costly in a number of ways. To me, having an EXPENSIVE RV only makes sense if you LIVE in it full time, as you'd have no home mortgage or apartment rent to pay each month -- you can put those savings toward your RV while living in it on the road or parked at a RV park -- or paying it off if you didn't buy it cash (maybe by selling your house and hitting the road/RV parks (for whatever reasons, and yes, some reasons actually DO make sense!). If you DID buy it cash, then your RV living expenses would be WAY lower than home ownership/apt renting.
As for noisy neighbors when camping, true, that's very possible but IME hotels are NO different, as there ware PLENTY of inconsiderate/loud people either in your same hall or in the room next to you.
So no, a hotel isn't any better than a campsite in that "noise" context.
Really, given how high the average home price is nowadays, a $150K RV (the number mentioned in the video, just for discussion) or even higher seems like a STEAL compared to a home...and all ITS associated costs to own.
Regardless, I might have different reasons than most for getting an RV, but it'd be a very small towable (TT/camper) that would fit in a standard residential 2-car garage (so no off-site and $$$ monthly storage fees) and would cost ~$20K, maybe $35K max new -- much less used (but still fairly new, like 1-2 years old max).
That would do fine for my needs...
And although ALL RVs seem to be overpriced -- like the inflated/over-valued/over-priced housing market nowadays, not to mention the auto-market still too outrageously/price-gouging expensive -- for me $20-35K isn't "serious" money spent (even given my modest retirement income) compared to a "mid-range" $150K Class B (or more, like a $250K Winnebago Revel or equivalent) -- but then a Class B of ANY price wouldn't fit into my garage anyway!
So no Class Bs for me!
Besides, I already own the truck that is quite capable of towing a small TT/camper easily (on the hwy or off-road/trails)...and as I said, a small TT/camper is all I'd really need.
Consequently, just for now (!) I'll pass on the 40-45' diesel $1M+ Prevost Marathon Class As, thanks....THOSE would be something I couldn't justify purchasing no matter how I tried (and I'm pretty good at justifying things)...UNLESS I lived in it!
But first I'd have to be able afford it -- no way... ;-)
-- BR
Thanks, there are so many issues to consider. Pulling a small trailer or camper with a truck is something that would likely cost much less (and allow garage storage), but is not open to me since I do not own or plan to purchase a truck. It is not that I am anti-truck, I owned and used them in a life gone by, but currently they are too ineffecient and cumbersome for my current lifestyle. There is also the tent-camping option, that I will probably revist a bit when the weather gets warmer. I appreciate your consideration of these complex issues. Thanks for your comment.
@@GC-Hiker My tow-vehicle is also my Daily Driver -- a 2021 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon...a mid-size truck with a basic & proven V6 N-A gas engine and Old School transfer case (not a dial like a Bronco). Of course, mid-size trucks usually get better MPG numbers than a full-size trucks with larger engines. And I didn't want a V8 anyway, diesel OR anything turbo.
My potential TT/camper will weigh in @ 1500-2500lbs MAX, so my Jeep's 7000lbs towing-capacity can easily handle that. And since my truck is the "Top Dog off-road-focused/serious 4x4" in ALL the truck segments (compact to full-size, not just mid-size) -- a Rubicon -- my chosen camper can go wherever my Jeep can, which just by itself can go almost anywhere.
I'm focusing my choices on TAXA Outdoors products, namely their 'Tiger Moth' and 'Cricket' models. Both will be almost a "custom" fit with my Jeep not only in appearance together -- meaning, they'll both look like serious off-road "products" -- but in actual/real performance as well. And being single (& no pets) a small (15' max, but 13' preferred) garage-able trailer/camper will work nicely (as mentioned earlier).
But I do get where you're coming from. For example, if I already HAD a huge/full-size (and VERY expensive) 4x4 truck with a high payload capacity (like ~4000lbs) I'd get a truck camper for it as it seems even the "lightweight" ones are STILL too heavy! But I don't -- I have a mid-size and the payload capacity of my Gladiator is anemic.
But really, I chose the Gladiator over a "Top Dog off-road-focused/serious 4x4" mid-size/SUV -- like a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon or Ford Bronco Wildtrak (Top Dog Bronco?) -- because their towing capacity (3500lbs) was WAY too low. My Gladiator does 7000 (as said).
The Colorado ZR2 at that time (also 2021) could do 5000lbs -- my minimum requirement -- but couldn't GET one back then (GM's chip-shortage) so went with Plan B -- the Gladiator Rubicon (the Gladiator Mojave model wasn't even out yet, but neither was the Bronco IF I even wanted one (I didn't).
Please note I was not trying to persuade or convince you (or anyone) to do as I did, I was just entering a different perspective when it comes to choosing RVs.
But of course, the BEST one is what BEST suits your needs, budget -- and mission. ;-)
>>Jeep Wave
Dreams sell a lot of things...
Agreed.
You should always be armed, no matter where you go or stay. It's personal responsibility.
RVs are definitely money pits. On average, they are used twenty days per year. That means about half are used less than that.
That being said, I like ours, but we're retired and can afford to travel. We rarely stay in campgrounds or RV parks. We mostly boondock in National Forest and BLM land, and if we stay at Harvest Host locations while traveling to destinations.
It is not that I do not like RVs, it is that I cannot justify the cost. I am glad that you are able to and enjoy RV life. Thanks for your comment.
You convinced me. Subaru Ho!
I have a Subaru as well, which can serve as an emergency shelter and has pretty good access to lesser travelled roads. I used to camp when I was younger and high hotel prices are leading me back to trying some tent camping this Spring, the Subaru will serve as a back-up. I am just unsure how comfortable it will be with a few miles on my odometer!
I have dogs. I would have no choice but to get my own RV. Total freedom.
That makes sense.
20 year old hi top van, it turned a 100K in the Yukon this summer. Norcal and the west coast there is BLM land, NF, Dept of AG all over the place. Big comfy bed, diesel heater, fridge, coffee maker, induction and a microwave. The rear door slideout under the bed in back will hold all sorts of stuff, plus about 400 pounds of firewood. I've got about 25 grand in it. I don't go camping where there are people. Put a TrackLoc in the rear end this summer so its much better at light duty offroad. Vans are the way to go.
That is definately something to consider. In my youth, cars were no longer trustworthy after 100k, so I still have trouble travelling in a vehicle past that mileage, but your experience obviously shows that is no longer true. Sounds like you have found a great solution!
@@GC-Hiker Yep. 100K is negligible, there are E350s running around with 3 or 4 hundred thousand on the clock.
New RV's are built like 💩. t recently bought a 2024 Subaru Forester Wilderness. I added a roof top tent, some light camping gear and I'm set. Now in my mid 60's and retired, I take off and GO.
A multi-use car makes all the difference in the cost equation. I have an Outback, so I understand. But I am not sure I could climb down from that rooftop tent for a restroom break at night!
@@GC-Hiker Me too, so that's why I have a portable urinal. #2, well, that would be a different story.
3:31 Is it really that bad in America that you always have to consider carrying a gun?
It is something you must think about, especially when camping in rural areas where sometimes odd people congregate.
@@GC-Hiker okay I've been camping in rural areas for most of my life and never had any problems but I'm not from America so maybe that is the difference.
We bought a small camping trailer that sleeps myself and my wife. It's quite small We like it, but yes RV's have their downsides
I've guesstimated that we could easily finance 135 nights in a decent motel for the cost of the RV.
I think the trailer reduces some of the capital costs, I just have never liked the concept of towing. Glad it is working out for you.
Plus, do you ever consider the reduced gas mileage and the site costs in factoring in the comparison?
When I need one, I’ll rent it! Definitely won’t buy one with the terrible build quality and customer service the RV Industry has now!!
That makes a lot of sense. I was shocked to learn of the quality issues.
I'd hate to drive an RV.
I am with you. I never owned one, but I have driven box trucks, and the thought of having one every day does not appeal to me. Plus, in modern times, I want the power to get away from the texting semis when the drift into my lane. RVs just do not have that power--at least not in my price range. Thanks for your comment.
RV's are not for everyone. I love mine besides you can't have a campfire at a hotel.
Not unless it has a fireplace! : ) And a lot of campgrounds restrict fires nowadays. But I hear what you are saying.
Use a minivan as your daily driver AND as a camper on trips - dual use!
We bought a long bed 4x4 truck with a topper and carpet type bed liner, It carries all our gear with ease. If we get in late, we just sleep in the back and pitch the tent in the morning. Mileage isn't great but when you adjust for the cost of regular vs premium, insurance and depreciation, TCO is cheaper on the pickup than my wife's C300. TBH the truck is quieter, rides better, and is more comfortable.
That makes perfect sense.
I recommend that you stay in your own personal home located in a big city crowded development where you will be “safe” . You can watch nature documentaries on your big screen TV with surround sound and imagine that you are actually hearing that owl screeching or that bull elk bugling. There’s already enough people in the woods that fit in like a pair of brown shoes with a tuxedo.
I get your drift, but there are plenty of places I get back-country where an RV cannot go. I do like the concept of an RV, I just cant get by the practical or cost issues. I wear slippers with a tux. ; )
@@GC-Hiker Thanks for being so light hearted about my comments. They were not meant to be a personal attack or insulting to you but were meant more specifically for some of the other commenters to your video. I didn't know how else to get that message out to "flatlander city folk" that truly do not belong in a rural setting. They rock climb but can't get back down, they get lost on hikes, they leave smoldering campfires etc, etc. These are the people that I was attempting to address and used your comment section as a podium. I fully understand and accept why you don't own an RV, it took me 65 years to convince myself to get one but the only regrets I have about it is that I waited so long to make that decision and that I don't get to use it as often as I want to due to weather limitations here in The Rockies. We use electric fat tire bikes to get further off the beaten path. Stay safe out there!
I really don’t like staying in hotels although at times we do. We have a cargo conversion & I love it. We can leave the dogs & bring our motorcycle. But, if we want the side by side we have to tent & trailer our sbs.
RVs cost in gas is high & campgrounds cost but if not too big can stay on BLM land. If it breaks down you must hotel it ‘till fixed. Everywhere you sightsee you have to park uggggg. I’d like a van life much more.
I think there are trade-offs in everything. Doing your own conversion sure must cut the costs. Also, travelling with the dogs and bike require special considerations. The vans are attractive, but they sure are expensive! Thanks for your comment.
You are no fun. Correct, but no fun.
LOL. Commenters keep telling me that, but not as directly. I like your comment.
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Thank you.
Why are you comparing RV's to a hotel room. Makes no sense. You buy an rv knowing all those things. Sounds like you want all the conveniences of a stationary home in an rv. This comparison is ridiculous. You're just complaining about costs. Then go stay in a hotel. If there's a mouse in my rv yes i have to get rid of it. In a hotel they have to get rid of it. That's one of your complaints. It's your rv you're supposed to take car of it. This is just ridiculous.
Fair enough, we all have our own differen criteria and make our own choices. For me, the alternative choice is a motel and cost is an important factor. All I am saying is this is my choice, not that it is the right choice for you or others.
You’ve completely missed this gentleman’s point. Perhaps rewatch it with a more open mind towards his point of view. He is not judging, simply saying that from a purely financial point of view, there is no argument that can support owning an RV.
An RV only makes sense if you live in it full time like a homeless person.
Full-time residence would definately alter the cost analysis, but probably not the depreciation aspect.
You are definitely someone who should never own an RV and that you think your opinion is relative to others is really the issue at hand.
Fair enough. We are all entitled to our own opinions. I think I was careful to clarify that these are MY reasons for not owning an RV, and everyone else is free to make up their own minds.
An RV is a hole you throw money in.
Well put.
I’ve got a travel trailer with a sizable loan on it. I used it 4 times last year. Every month I regret buying that beast. I love using it while I am actually using it but for much of the year it’s an anchor around my neck. Still upside down on the payoff so here I sit (broke)en hearted
Thanks for that information. Sorry to hear about your millstone. I love the dream of RV living, but the reality you describe is just too expensive for me. Hopefully, in time, you will get above water and find a solution that works out best. I appreciate your comment.