Does the Baccano! Dub Hold Up? (feat. CDawgVA)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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Baccano! is widely regarded in the community as one of the best English dubs of an anime. It takes place in America and features a plethora of Western accents and cultural influence. Today we wanted to reflect on what makes the dub special to so many people, examining everything from its scripting to the performances to the sound design. Will everyone like it? Was there any room for improvement? Was there anything important from the original audio that was left on the cutting room floor? Side note: apologies that this video is edited kind of rough, there’s some accidental repeated shots, a lot of it feels kinda static and the audio isn’t balanced super well. Hopefully the closed captions can remedy that. Also feels like the wording in some parts was way too vague, if you have any questions about it feel free to ask us on Twitter.
Big thank you to Connor/CDawgVA ( / cdawgva ) for joining us to discuss the performances in the Baccano dub, as well as Tyler Walker ( / monkeyshines9 ) for answering all our questions about the dubbing process for this show.
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Narrated, co-written & co-edited by Eric ( / mrajcosplay )
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SOURCES + FURTHER READING:
Our full interview with Tyler Walker: • Baccano! English Dub D...
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Baccano! DVD Commentaries
DidYouKnowAnime? Baccano: • Baccano! - Did You Kno...
Prohibition Era stock footage: • The Prohibition Era Ex...
Our video on simuldubs: • The Impact of Anime Si...
Marissa Lenti talking about matching visuals closely: • Director of the Kemono...
Different ways voice acting for anime is produced: • Beyond AKIRA - Which A...
Changes made in the Parasite subtitles: www.korea.net/N...
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Guns ‘n Roses - Paradise Lunch
Hohoemi no Kage - Makoto Yoshimori
Calling - Yuki Kajiura
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Apologies for the re-upload everyone. After viewing the data, we noticed there were some people that weren't getting notifications about the Baccano video and the video didn't always pop up during search results. Like with the Dr stone video, we're re-uploading it in hopes that the algorithm won't bury the hard everyone put into this. Please be sure to like, comment, shares the video around!
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here to help analytics lmao
I’m sorry, but I don’t want to sound petty, but as a huge Anime fan, it makes me cringe when people refer to real, Japanese Anime as cartoons. They are much different in the well drawn, highly stylized, and attention to detail that American Cartoons just don’t have. So I will close in saying how well you did this video, in content, research, your analysis and depiction of the property you are reviewing, and overall knowledge of the industry in general. That makes my request regarding semantics seems to now feel silly. 😉 You really DID put a huge amount of heart and soul into your video. I own the Baccano series and everything you mentioned here tells me you do too, or if not, you’re obviously are a fan.keep up the great work🥰
@@nitesurfer247 shut up
Meh, CDawg is alright.
I can't imagine this show without the 1930's gangster accents.
Baccano is my favorite anime. Ever. I've watched both dubbed and subbed quite a few times, and the conclusion that I've drawn is that: in dialog heavy anime (ie baccano, Steins gate, durarara etc) I prefer the dubbed. It makes for a more immersive experience, I find. I'm not a slow reader, but not a particularly fast one either, and when the dialog moves so quickly, it's easy to miss the end of lines sometimes. Or find myself trying to speed up my reading to make sure to get it all in.
That being said, the language in the subbed is superior imo. Either way, Baccano is the shit. More people need to watch it, in whatever form they care for.
I heard that the anime ended at like 12 episodes but there’s still books continuing the series
@@abhott96 Yeah man, Baccano! is still an ongoing light novel, which is kinda nuts..
Here’s a thing though, Bakemonogatari, which is the probably one of the MOST dialogue heavy shows, cannot compare as a dub. Reasons vary out incredibly wide but if you haven’t watched it and plan on enjoying it to the fullest possible extent, learn Japanese first.
I agree with you entirely, perhaps I should've said that *most* dialog heavy anime are better to experienced dubbed. The entire monogatari series, I would argue, is the converse to that. The language seems to be so much prettier in the latter series. Baccano, while dense, doesn't use as much flowery language as BKM does.
Super happy to have this conversation with you!
@@Jechew Yeah bro i'm so excited to watch it I CAN'T WAIT!!! Oh but i gotta learn japanese first... neverming then...
Baccano is such a unique anime and the dub only adds to it. I was devastated when I heard that it didn't do well in Japan during its initial airing. The series deserves to have everything adapted.
I mean it makes sense. Japanese can't really understand the mafia culture of America. Their perception of gangsters is totally different due to yakuza's influence.
Man I always really love connor's voice acting analyses
Love Connor 🖤
Meh, he's decent.
Meh, he's alright.
Baccano was already an incredible anime, but the stellar English cast only elevated it and I think it's one of the reasons this show has stuck with me so much.
Hellsing Ultimate is a good example of where an accent from a dub makes it feel better imo. I do like the dub of Great Pretender as well.
I don't think either are objectively 'better' than the other.
They are two ways of accessing, and perhaps in a more emotional way - enjoying the same source material if one has access to both the subbed and their regional dub.
While a dub is an interpretation of an already existing script - that very script is in and of itself an adaptation of the narrative;
How either colour or shift that narrative in whatever adverse way...is kind of part of the charm for either experience.
[[personal opinion time]] I'm always defaulted to dubs as a consumer of anime purely cause I suck at fast reading cause I genuinely struggle to read subtitles while also focusing on the animation of well..the anime.
That said - I will always give new and undubbed anime a go, and since we live in a streaming based era where we can just keep moving back in the episode my main issue of preference kind of disappears, and usually when I really get into an anime I will be better able to follow along character's interactions anyways being so in tuned with their speech patterns regardless of language.
anyways.
sorry for the thesis, I just wish this silly conflict was resolved and simply discussed more =w=
Issac and miriras dub voice actors are having the time of their lives and it makes the final characters so memorable and fun to watch
I know this is old. There is a bit a Brooklyn baby girl accent that Marial has, which really fits. Isaac voice matches better in my opinion. He is a confident guy he needs a confident voice.
watched this during quarantine and i found the show to b rlly good even in dub. so yeah i think the dub stood it’s test of time , it was way above its time
Holy god I had completly forgotten how hard the ed slaps
Cowboy bebop, outlaw star, trigun, baccano, yu yu hakusho. There we go.
Isaac and Miria are my favorite duo in anime. They are so funny, and it's so sweet and hilarious how crazy supportive Miria is.
The accents remind me of the dub of 91 days. Another mafia anime. I wonder if they did the same process when it came to accents.
Same ADR director :)
@@TheCartoonCipher can you review why some dubs replace the music like sailor moon, digimon, pokemon, Yugioh, and Cardcaptors?
Imo yeah I watch both sub and dub but mostly dub
Since I generally almost never watch dubs, this channel is one of my only peaks into what a lot of dubs are like with that said Baccano is one of the few dubs I've seen and implore everyone to consider before watching also I hope this helps with the algorithim
Amazing dubs
Code Geass
Death note
Dragonballz obviously
Fullmetal alkamist
Law of ueki
Ghost stories and many more
Black lagoon
Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt.
Maria The Virgin Witch
91 Days
Hetalia
Psycho-Pass
Space Dandy
Violet Evergarden
Izetta: The Last Witch
Snow White With The Red Hair
Arte
There's also Black Butler.
Jojos
Baccano was my gateway to the gangster genre, so I remembering preferring the sub when I first watched it ( simply because it's my default when watching anime). But upon getting into genre, in all my subsequent rewatches, i've found myself preferring the dub because it truly contributes to the immersion of 1930s prohibition era feel. Love both, but the dub definitely stands out to me more
I hope you also watched other gangster films like The Untouchables, Miller's Crossing, and the legendary Godfather Trilogy.
@@TheSHIELDCap I realised I was being vague by saying gangster genre, but yes, that's what I meant! :D
The dub is so fucking good. God I love Baccano!
Only CON to both the Dubbed and the Subbed is good luck on finding it legally. I don’t know who owns the rights to it anymore, it was Netflix at one point. Now it’s not there, and finding a DVD version is going to have you looking at it and going ouch at it’s price should you find it. Which really honestly stinks because this is a great anime.
Try going online to Robert’s Corner Anime Store or The Right Stuff. I used to get all my anime from those two back from 2004- 2016. I have over 500 series, (mostly in the Art Boxes) which is a really nice way to display the set and less video DVD cases that are sometimes separated from the other in a series and it’s not that much to get them with your first new DVD of the series as you buy the monthly (usually) new ones that come out depending on the numbers in the sets.Amazon is still a good way but they will cost a bit more but in “The Marketplace” you can find good or excellent condition, used DVD’s but make sure you read the comments from other buyers who rate the seller on speed, condition, and general customer service. I have been happy with many sellers and have gotten to where I buy more used than new nowadays. Good luck 👍🏻
PJ I’ve already got it? I’m just mentioning it’s just hard to come by. Yes it’s great but it’s availably is a CON. But I’ve never seen the anime on Right Stuf, most sites that used to have it are sold out so now eBay is the main site I know of that sells Baccano. But those people know it’s rare or limited in numbers. So the prices are higher then the original price. That’s not including the volumes which only limited amount of episodes on it. The anime is good. Getting the manga or light novel not too hard. But as I stated it’s largest CON is exclusively to the anime itself on it’s availability. I don’t know a streaming service that has it now, Netflix used to, I don’t think they do anymore.
PJ I’m not trying to be rude but just pointing out, most of the sites you mention don’t have it. If they do the shipping is high or it’s used and the price is still pretty high. Amazon indeed has it. But finding a version that works with your DVD player is complicated. And the price varies greatly with blu ray from around 40 all together to dvd which is about on the hundred range. Despite stating that it works for US blu ray players some comments complain it doesn’t. So it’s also a risk factor. All I’m trying to get at is this anime subbed or dubbed is GREAT! Finding it legally? That’s is the huge CON. I’m hoping one of the streaming sites picks it up gain. Because then it would be more widely available.
@@Fujoshi1412 I bought an old bluray player for 20bucks and flashed it. It can now play every region code.
Steffen kawa you are missing the point. It’s not easily accessible. And even the cheaper legal options have its bumps. It’s a great anime, but finding it legally is costly for some people, so I’m just hoping a streaming service will once again pick up the rights to this anime. Along with a lot of other anime out there that are in a limbo of sorts to audiences outside of Japan. Baccano is an example of a fantastic anime, but one you can’t watch off a streaming service.
I know its a long shot nowadays but man.... I really want a Baccano! season 2 with all of the cast in the dub
still one of my favorite show of all time
I want a reboot way more with the dub cast than a season 2 because of what they skipped especially volumes 3 and 4 plus it would be a mess trying to add in stuff that was cut
FLCL, anything by Watanabe, and a lot of different animes have great dubs. But do I prefer subs most of the time? Lol Yea. It's just situational on personal taste.
I found this super interesting, hope the algorithm doesn’t bury it!!
I just finished Baccano, what an amazing show. What are the chances the anime makes a return this decade? From what i understand it has gained a cult following since it released
prolly low but manga is still going on surprisingly
Maybe, the novels are still going and the author's other series Durarara has received plenty of adaptions although if it did happen, it would probably be very different considering how weird of an adaption Baccano is
@@jonnysac77 That and Vamp!, don't forget, too, that they all crossover with one another. Naritaverse, man. Lol
It wasn't very popular in Japan so the chances are pretty low, but DRRR did get a second season after a decade so it's hard to say, maybe a miracle will happen and we either get a new season or a remake
Yep and in 2016 yenpress got the rights to print English copys of the lightnovels and it's currently on volume 18
while the series has 22 volumes in total and it's still on hiatus with the next volume getting rewritten due to contradictions that where present
I feel like the chances of a reboot or season 2 are abit slim imo
3:03 ian is the irish version of John. Was the character irish? I saw Baccano years ago so I don't remember.
Yup he’s Irish, wasn’t 100% sure about the connection between Jon and Ian but thanks for clarifying.
just doing my part for the algorithm
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Great video, the collaboration in this video works really well because you both seem so passionate about the fields you discuss and the source material. I know people like me, who only watch it subbed or dubbed but not both, appreciate you comparing the differences in such detail
What? Jacuzzi was my second favorite voice in the dub.
I feel like Joel was trying too hard to make Jacuzzi sound Whiny.
I legit was recommended this video straight from the video of the podcast where Connor is raging about how the English dub was 100% better and the Japanese dub was dogshit... /facepalm
The video DID end with all 3 of them saying how he often rants about something then later that day says "yeah I think I was completely wrong" :p
It’s so nice to have a nuanced compare and contrast of a dub verses sub instead of the usual kneejerk reaction of one being better than the other that devolves into shouting. I learned so much about both version of production and appreciate both a lot more than I did.
Man. This was a great introspective video. You’ve given me much to think about the direction and deliveries. I absolutely loved Baccano
You should watch the bacono dub for the accents.
anime like this that take place in the west must nail the dub, take hellsing ultimate for example, some of the accents are not quite right, but the german english accents of the major's troops are perfect stereotypes and are intentionally weird..then take black butler which kinda screwed up cuz they sound like modern british people more than victorian era britishmen/women..the dubbers really have to take a lot of things into account
Not at all. I still prefer the original Japanese voices for Hellsing and Hellsing Ultimate
I really wish we get a 2nd season at some point. There is enough material written by Narita for a 2nd season but I don't think they would make it a bunch of stories intertwined and non linear as the 1st season.
Tbh I would want a reboot especially because the 1932 arc got done dirty plus it would be messy trying to add the stuff and characters that they cut out
Plus yeah I like the anime and I think of it as it's own thing but I do perfer the light novels
But I wouldn't mind a season 2 and hopefully baccano! at least gets another anime adaptation imo
There are a few anime that I only watch in English and Baccano is one of them. It's just so good. I'm excited to see your point of view on it
Can you please do a video on this whole anime RUclips channel thing and how it might be the end of dubs. People need to know about this!
You mean AnimeLog? Right now it only seems to be for really old children’s/family-friendly titles that fell out of circulation. We can only wait and see if they go beyond that to more modern shows
This is me engaging with the video :]
Lmao did you transition from Rachel looking at her cut hand to Shinji looking at his load!?
Dub or Sub, Nice is still hot.
Of course Cdawg is here
It feels weirder to watch a show voiced in Japanese with obviously English-speaking characters than the other way around, and I'm not sure why. Like, I'll happily pop on the Log Horizon dub, if only because it's mostly in a fantasy world anyway and because it has this super charming Zombieland/Kick-Ass energy to it. Meanwhile, if you give me the Japanese voices in Baccano, my brain feels this super weird disconnect.
Yeah, no one complains that the characters in Schindler’s List speak English, but then they’ll say that Baccano in Japanese sounds odd. It’s really strange to me and setting doesn’t shape my view if I should watch subbed or dubbed.
Short answer Yes.
Thank you so much for this video. Never thought I would love Baccano and the dub more than I already did, but guess I'm wrong.
Baccano! is one of those rare gems where the English ADR just cannot afford to cheap out on and still respect themselves as red-blooded Americans. When the Japanese write and animate a story that takes place in the US, it gets positively personal for that Texas ADR crew and so demands extra impeccable care to get the voice direction right. Even when it was not what the guys in Japan had in first in mind. It's where this show, Cowboy Bebop, and Black Lagoon dubs really enhance the watch over their originals.
S2 will never come. They didn't include something to the Genoard 1931/32 plotline that will make a direct sequel impossible. and skipping on stories just to keep the ball rolling... Doubt.
One of the best animes, one of the best dubs and one of the best Light Novels. Love the video, love Baccano and love ya guys
Szilard is a hungarian name but this accent sounds nothing like a hungarian accent. Its more slavic, but if ur not hungarian u wont pick that up, so i think they did a good job.
This is old but the American vernacular really raises the bar. An American would never say American citizen to ourselves but red blood American. Those make it believable.
Fantastic video! One of if not my favourite Anime. Fantastic dub, great localization which serves to appeal more to western audiences and fantastic performances. Jacuzzi in the dub is different but still effective, annoying and unassuming and then he becomes our hero!
We're all waiting for season 2...
O hey, that show i never got to watching. Thanks for reminder. 👍🏽
I subbed to this channel after the FCF scam that violated federal law by asking about mental disabilities for exclusionary purposes on the top 100 anime poll that TheAnimeMan posted. CdawgVA was a knowing part of this scam, a lot of the anime community may have forgiven them but if you look at your subscriber metrics you'll see that you gained a shit ton of subs during this period. I got the notification but choose not to support pieces of sh*t like CDawgVA. Looking forward to your next video.
This and gungrave are some of the best dubs
Hope it works this time !
I love the use of the music from durarara
Absolutely wonderful work here. What an enjoyable video!!!!!! And so informative too!!
can you please start putting the names of the anime you use on the lower left hand corner or right hand corner of the video
we list all the anime featured in the description
@@TheCartoonCipher I know but not a lot of people know what goes to what unless you include timestamps I mean it may take a little bit of extra time but it would be greatly appreciated if you added it
just listing them in the description is kind of lazy
The Cartoon Cipher I’m trying to find what anime is at 3:36 and your description is telling me nothing, I can’t find which it is because I have to go back and forth writing it into a search engine and hoping I can even find it.
11:41 Dang, I think I only ever heard him as Whis and Mezo Shoji...
Ian Sinclair’s one of Funimation’s best and brightest right now, almost being a spiritual successor to the hole left behind by Travis Willingham (even doing that very thing by becoming his replacement as Yu Kanda in D.Gray-man). You’ll also know him as Brook in One Piece, Chuck in Panty and Stocking, Nile Dok in Attack on Titan, The Reaper in Assassination Classroom, and Magna in Black Clover.
I feel the same with jojo's part 2
Of course!. While good subs mean accurately translated anime, good dubs just mean good Jamaican music /s
I haven't watched Baccano, should I watch it dub or sub??
both are good with their own pros and cons. We break a lot of them down in the video :)
I'd say dub since its really good
@@TheCartoonCipher Yeah, but there was a spoiler warning so I didn't want to keep watching. I guess I'm gonna stick to sub like I alwayd do and come watch the vid then.
First of all, you must watch it, it's a really great show. I recommend dub.
Both are good but if you want it to feel more authentic to the American prohibition era, choose the dub
A bad example I'd highlight would be Princess Principle where the accents are not only very fakesounding but also flat.
Dismissing Baccano sub for not being in English is like dismissing Schindler’s List for not being in German.
I'm so sad I can't watch this anywhere!!!
Yes 😃
Answer: Yes
Reupload?
Where can I watch this show?
21:24 I REQUIRE THE SAUCE
Keijo!!!!!!!!
The Cartoon Cipher ah, butt sumo, thanks
Ok sure
Love it
What´s the name of the anime at 3:36?
Dies Irae
Why does it feel like i already saw this
check the pinned comment
@@TheCartoonCipher This was a satirical comment lol. I watched it twice anyhow
For me the sub is always better than the dub,simply bcz the jp is the original language baccano use and for me the original language is always better(for example i m an indonesian and i hate watching movie from another country in indonesian language not cause it were bad it is cause it was weird)even tho baccano was more make sense is eng dub cause y know it is take place in the 1930s but still jp is the original language of the anime,i dont say dub is bad it is good really2 good everything hits diffrent in dub but that is the thing dub is always between thrash or something really good that makes you think you watch a whole diffrent show that is why i prefer the sub instead of dub
Why you reupload the video ?
He explained it and pinned the comment.
i consider dubs better and more enjoyable for theses reasons: in subs you must read to understand what there saying or know there language, this can be a problem for slow readers who would spend more time reading the show and missing most of the animations, unless you pause for each read, but then that makes it less immersive and feels like a book rather then a animation.
a picture paints a thousand words of emotion and intention, but the story's plot advancement is mostly gained through dialog and expressive communication we all call speaking our words with constrictive meaning infused noise,
i rather hear and understand the characters words as they speak for them selves then to read the text over the video and miss occasional gestures of emotion and body language. i prefer dub, but will say sub isn't so intolerable to read once in a while.