EDIT : With the reworked Fallen Mode aim for Level 5 Farms, not level 3! Kind of overkilled on hating Lev 4 and 5 farms, just make sure your defense is good before committing to them :o
@@jovanochandra5278i met one person playing hardcore mode He won't do anything else other than upgrade farm no matter how many try i said him to help me defend and i keep losing because of that
pro tip: overfarming is good if you help def mid game at the same time pro tip #2: if you plan to upgrade farms to lvl 5 in matchmaking i recommend bringing sub dps
Overfarming is overfarming, You have to keep a happy Greed/Defense Balance in TDS, Like a happy Work/Life balance, I'm bad at life though, so i play tds (this is just a joke i have a life)
People only care about the fact that farms pay themselves over time and how cost efficient certain levels are - but it's more about the sudden burst of cash that you're always given when farms take effect. It's not like you're going to actively consider the fact that, per say, a level 3 farm pays itself off in around 3-4 waves. You're going to care more about the cash given at the end of the wave. Now I completely get the thing about level 4 farm being a terrible cost-to-efficiency ratio hence why I try to avoid it as much as possible other than cases where I have the awkward imbetween where I can't upgrade any farms but are close to affording a level 5, making use of all of the cash that I can. The real question is *not* how long are those farms going to take to repay themselves, but what can you do with that sum of cash that you now have? Some good examples can be as follows: What do eight level 2 farms get you? -A level 2 engineer -A level 2 gladiator -A level 2 golden scout -A level 1 commander What do eight level 3 farms get you? -A level 3 engineer -An accelerator, most likely because of the cash that you have just been given from a wave -A level 3 gladiator in some cases -A ranger What do you get from eight level 5 farms? -A maxed out engnineer starting from level 5 in 3-2 waves -A maxed out accelerator starting from level 4 in 3-2 waves and so on, so fourth This seems to be the singular thing that people completely disreguard when talking, or rating, farms. I don't know if this is some sort of concept that people haven't thought of, but I feel like the whole cost-to-efficiency ratio thing is a bit overrated and overused in these kinds of conversations. Please explain why this is the case? I'm not up to arguing in the replies section but please state your concerns with this entire thing
Fr, 4k cash is not enough to get an Accel, even with wave bonus you can only get lvl 1 - lvl 2 at most unless theres a DJ. But with 12k cash, you can get alot.
Basic Farming: 1. Always do farming at the END of waves. 2. If you’re defending early game, you should also be farming a bit. 3. If you’re farming either defend by wave 16, or do it later but keep an eye on the situation. 4. Always get all level 3 farms, a level 3 DJ, & THEN get max farms. 5. If you end up having to pay for back up towers, keep them for now, as the next wave will be stronger. 6. Never get a level 4 farm unless you have 2500 at the end of wave & all the farms are level 3. 7. Always place all 8 farms. You’re making your life so much harder by having less. 8. Unless you’re doing normal mode, MAX YOUR FARMS. As for the video: 1. Please don’t tell me you don’t understand investments. Level 5 farm’s aren’t less cost efficient than level 3 farms, they take LONGER to pay their DEBTS. Trust me, they’ll pay off their debts soon enough & give you triple of what level 3 farms give. Let’s say I only have 10 waves left to make money with farms (It’s usually even more). A level 3 farm would make 5000, while a level 5 farm makes 15,000. And don’t even bring up debts in this case, as level 5 farms are still better. 2. Alright, but who really played normal mode? Newbies? They grind molten. Casual Players with everything? They do quad fallen. People who want a challenge? Solo triple lane maps, solo hardcore, & etc. Point is, nobody does normal mode. 3. Why don’t people use level 5 farms in hardcore strats? Probably because the multiple mini boss waves just give lots of cash in addition to the beefy enemies. But honestly, I would still get level 5 farms if I can just so I don’t run out of micro money somehow. 4. Why do people still get level 5 farms for molten & fallen? Look here, every buck counts & level 5’s just give more money than level 3’s. 5. Maybe advise the players to actually be good teammates, than say that level 3 farms are the best, when they aren’t. Because a good teammate knows that they can’t be selfish, put the level 3 dj near the most farms instead of just their own, & etc. 6. Look here, as long as they’re getting all level 3 farms before they upgrade to 4’s & 5’s. It’s good enough for us all.
The simplest way to farm effciently is just loosely following one rule and using some game sense. (adding up wave bonuses + enemy income to make a choice) The rule is as followed: *"Upgrading your farm is always better than placing a new one down."* This rule applies until you reach 8 lvl 3's, at which point you can afford an accel each wave. Lvl 4's are obviously inefficient, and lvl 5's *may* look useful, but it takes too long to get some down, by the time you can max out FARMS, you already are gaining more money every wave through enemies. The extra cash you get from lvl 5's are not at all nessecary. They can be helpful if you want wiggle room for mistakes, but if you plan out your strategy or are confident in your management, it isn't required at all. The only times I can even consider lvl 5's being useful is with a squad of randoms on something like Pizza Party where you have generous prep time. It's wave 35 or smth and your team each got down an accel, ur confident that they can hold their own, and you are broke from being the early game, by all means, you can catch up by getting 8 lvl 5 farms and make up enough money to contribute later.
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Bro sthu ur over explaining made it more difficult to understand bro gave us an essay and in depth analysis 😂😹😹
Honestly lvl 5 farms help a lot when you have to max out op towers but lvl 3 Is more to help with the mid game i would recommend to max farms IF mid game is going well
I kind of disagree with your opnion about lvl 4 and 5 farms. (ik you said they are fine in molten and fallen but hear me out) The reason you get lvl 5 farms are not because of the cost efficiency, it's because you want to get a bunch of money in the same wave. For example, if you want to max a mini with only lvl 3 farms you need atleast 3 whole waves(depending on the wave you are doing this, 2 if taking to acount the money damage). Now if you want to do that wih max farms, it's only 1 wave and you have 3k to spare. If you have teammates and no expensive towers you should just go for lvl 3 If you have an expensive tower and you are solo or with teammates, lvl 5 is reccomended. To add to my comment, go for lvl 3 for a while before lvl 5 to help teammates, but if they are doing fine you can go for max ones.
i think hes mostly referring to early game, also a good way to place expensive towers early ( accel, turret, ranger, etc ) ( w10-16 varying from your expensive towers ) is to mainly get 8 lv 2 farms and then save up from there on, its insanely useful and by the time u place ur expensive tower lv 3 farms are really easy to get from that on and u dont have to worry about being useless, only con is not having good early defense and i think u can deal with that with tower variety
On fallen, lvl 5 farms are required for expensive towers like enginner and accel, always upgrade farms to lvl 5 instead of keeping lvl 4, cuz lvl 4 has the worst value. hardcore, polluted 2 and maybe badlands, you won't need lvl 5 farms just lvl 3, for polluted i farm with cowboy and still can max enginner and accels until wave 40.
Guys once you have all lvl 3 farms, it doesn't matter if you upgrade one farm from lvl 3 to lvl 5 or three farms from lvl 3 to lvl 4 Fun fact: "The three lvl 4 farms(2250) make more money than one max farm (1500$) As both cost same 7.5k for max one farm and also 7.5k for three lvl 4 farms Also i would suggest to upgrade each farm one by one from start to end (lvl 1-5)
I did the math: Lvl 3 farms cost 2000 cash in total to place and upgrade but gives out 500. Assuming that you would get all your money back in 4 waves exactly. Lvl 5 farms cost 9500 cash in total to place and upgrade but gives out 1500. Assuming that you would get all your money back in 6.3 waves. I’ll round both to wave 3.5 and 6 waves just to include the money from killing enemies every wave. lvl 5 farms are more useful in terms of long game modes that include 40 waves. If you were to focus on farm only for the duration, it will take about 20-22 waves(estimated from my own experience) to max all 8 farms out. With 8 farms costing a total of 74000 cash in total to max out, it will take 5.5-6 waves to get all your money back. With the remaining waves of 40-20-6, you would have 14 waves to profit which leads to a sum of *164000* extra cash in the end. lvl 3 farms on the other hand will take around 10-11 waves(estimated from my own experience) to upgrade all farms to lvl 3. With 8 lvl 3 farms costing a total of 16000 cash, it will take around 3.8-4 waves to get all your money back. With the remaining waves of 40-10-4, you would have about 26 waves to profit which leads to a sum of *104000* extra cash in the end. In conclusion, the ratio between 26 waves and 16 waves simplified would become 13:8. With a 5 number difference equalizing big gap of 60000 cash, getting lvl 3 farms are indeed better. HOWEVER, in cases where your teammates are the ones defending well for the first few waves to mid game, getting lvl 5 farms isn’t a big deal at all, especially if you have expensive towers to upgrade such as the pursuit, accelerator, engineer or turret, there’s a reasonable explanation for over farming. To wrap things up, lvl 5 farms aren’t useless, it really just depends on the type of load-out for the game. Just play your part, you can easily triumph. 👍
What I do: 1.Put 4 farms in order 2.Leveling them till lvl 3 3.Buy High-Cost Towers,like my Minigunners or maxing them out like my Wardens 4.Leveling them more 5.Repeat step 3 6.Max them I always put 4 cuz DUH overfarming is very common like LITERALLY TODAY I GOT WARDEN BUT BRO 4 GAMES BEFORE....(pizza party) I was matched with 3 guys with +100 lvl (I just have 35 lvl) No one did nothing. I was trying to stop the Anormals but 2 Soldiers cant do the work,I was triggered. (I was also farming but Minigunners are not cheap exactly) I also got Crook Boss today lol (yea we lost at round 4,the worst run I haver ever seen and did in my life.)
I kind of agree with you here, I think after getting all level 3 farms, you should start defending whitout getting them to level 5 only in hard modes, since the mode is hard, then by the time you get them all to level 3, there will be strong bosses, which will give A LOT OF CASH, but if the mode is easy, like molten, then you should get like 3 or 5 farms to max, because the bosses will not gve that much cash. I know normal is easy too, but it has only 30 waves so by the time you get farms to level 5, the match will almost be over.
A level 2 farm costs a total of 1000 cash for 250 per wave, if you upgrade this farm to level 3 it will cost 1000 and grant 250 more cash than level 2. Therefore buying a level 3 is the exact same as buying another level 2.
I feel like i should state this but whenever I max my farms I usually reach the last wave and that’s when all my accelerators are maxed and if I have another tower like gladiator I didn’t place any or a lot or didn’t pay much attention to them because I was focused on maxing farms and accel. Though I didn’t just max farms and contribute to nothing during the process, I did help. But now after watching this I’m definitely going with level 3.
fun fact, placing a level 2 farm is the same as upgrading a level 2 farm to level 3, so If you end a wave with 1000 cash, you are better off upgrading a level 2 farm to level 3, why? lets say you have 2 level 2 farms and 1 level 1, if you use the 1000 cash to upgrade the level 1 farm and use the cash left to place another farm, your income will increase by 200 and you will have 100 cash left wich couldnt get invested in farms Now if you use the 1k to upgrade a level 2 farm, your income will increase by 250 There is a single exception, if you have 1100 cash, and you have 2 level 1 farms, it is better to upgrade both of the farms to level 2 rather than getting a level 2 farm to level 3
What I do in solo molten is I place my lv 1 jester and then I get 8 lv 2 farms (make sure the farms are near somewhere along the path where you will place dj) by wave 8, then by wave 9 I get 2 lv 3 farms, then I get a lv 3 jester (with fire bombs) for the boss. Next I get a lv 3 dj that cover all 8 of the farms. Next I get the rest of the farms to lv 3. At this point I get down a lv 3 accel right before the Necro comes out. Once I do that I start to max farms. If you followed this correctly then you should have all of your farms maxed out by wave 20 or 21 depending on if you placed your farms right before the next waves starts in that 5 seconds
I’m level 411 and already knew all this… and you forgot something COWBOY, farm or cowboy, which is better? That’s the real question, one gives less cash but a defense, other gives cash and is gonna kill you from a lack of guns.
the problem about cowboy is: it gives way too much eco and takes way too much time, farm is MORE THAN ENOUGH, cowboy surely gives some insane eco, but its only useful in solo hardcore, which requires you to place 3 different dps towers to limit and max them all
Farms kinda just transfer your money arround waves. You spend money you don't need in the early game on farms, so that in the late game you get more money then you'd get without them.
in my opinion,in new version of fallen if you farm for max level of accel or engineer,you have to upgrade all farm to lv 5.Or you don't have enough money to max them
how to max farms as fast as possible on fallen 4 player 1. Place lvl 1 farm before Wave 1 starts 2. Place 2 more lvl 1 farms one by one 3. Plave 1 lvl 0 farm. (Based starting towers you will get more money from their damage. Gladiators, G soldier, g scout grant beyond more money than something like a warden, shotgunner, demo, hunter, sniper, military base, or elf camp) 4. (If you have at least $450 before the wave bonus) upgrade a lvl 1 farm to lvl 2. 5. lvl the rest of the farms (there should be 4 rn) to lvl 2 6. place 4 more lvl 2 farms one by one (place more farms if you cannot afford lvl 2 farms. For instants, you have $486, instead of saving for a lvl 2 farm, place another at lvl 1.) 7. by wave 11, you should have 8 lvl 2 farms and enough for a lvl 3 upgrade. 8. upgrade every farm to lvl 3. 9. If you want, you can place a lvl 3 dj near your farms. It wont help too much 10. One by one, max all farms (if you cant upgrade a farm to lvl 5, you can upgrade another farm to lvl 4 if you have enough for it) You should be done by 22
i always put 3 farms lvl 1, then upgrade those into lvl 2, after that i put the ramaining farms and put them all to lvl 3, and then if you wanna do immediatly for some reason upgrade them as fast as you can to lvl 5 one by one
If you use lv4 gladiator you can get max farms around wave 24 if you are good enough and trust me it is worth it. Ps. Don’t get max farms 22 or 23 because of slow bosses instead if you are using gladiator get a max (and use ability on the slow boss). This is if you want to seed run solo btw.
Yo do u think u could try playing World Tower Defense. It is difficult at first but u got to do the toturial. It also has two types of missions. Over 20 maps. The most unique towers and enemy so because there is no track. Alll towers are unique. There is over 30 towers and more every update. It just go pvp and it’s fire. It had accessories that change how u play signifcsntly it has almost 15 fifteens game modes. Please try it I swear it’s fun no matter how hard it id
My farming strat is 1 lvl 2 farm Then another lvl 2 farm Then a lvl 3 farm Then upgrade the other 2 to 3 Then place 5 more lvl 3 farms Then max them 1 by 1 💀
While I do agree that level 3 farms are the best farms, I still believe it's still good to get level 5 farms. I want to comment on the hardcore point. You usually dont get level 5 famrs because by the time you can afford them without dying, you're already making enough money.
My personal guide on farming (wave 20 if you don't defend) Get 2 level 1 farms Get them to level 2 Get 6 level 2 farms Upgrade to level 3 Skip level 4 and upgrade 8 farms to level 5 (as the pinned comment said if the defense isn't enough go defend or smth)
Very interesting, but i usually just place farms and upgrade them till wave 14(fallen mode) i usually place dj and max it for my teammates to place smh good plus near my farm so i have the discount buff so i can focus max farm fast and place smh useful
I think it's more cost efficient to just do level 3 dj though. A lvl 3 dj saves 750 per farm and a lvl 5 dj saves 1500 per farm, so a lvl 3 dj would cost 4250 and save 6000, while a max dj would cost 17250 and save 12000, making it not worth it and wasting bursts of farm cash. Overall it's just not worth it unless you also help teammates with the dj
Best loadout (cost efficient and high dps) : 1) Soldier (early game) [lv0 for high dps, lv2 for hidden detection] (cheapest yet high dps to cost ratio if u dont have golden scout) 2) Farm [lv2 all asap, then lv3 one by one, (Optional: maxed all farms starting on wave 20 to 28)] 3) Cowboy (Optional tower) (early game) [lv0 for more money] buy 3 of them is enough 4) Acel (mid to late game) [lv3 for hidden detection, lv5 for hugh dps] 5) Commander (mid to late game) just buy 3 is enough [lv3 to unlock ability, maxed 1 of 3 for +25% more fire rate] Notes: If u dont have acel, go for minigunner instead. Tips: Dont upgrade lv0 cowboy. Upgrading it is a waste of money and bad dps. Try this loadout and u will see a big difference in ur gameplay.
yea no, lvl 4 and lvl 5 farms still provide the most money per wave. this is very useful for when you need to upgrade for a large upgrade per wave. Such as max accel. u would only have to wait 2-3 waves compared to 6 per wave. the reason in hc why lvl 3 farms arent used is due to how much money you make in the late game.
Hello kenu I saw ur tower galactica video and I was wondering if you need any help to heat the game :) I didn't commented on that video because you will probably won't see it Don't worry I won't be sad or mad because you don't want to it's totally understandable I just wanna play more the game cuz I love the game and you will like the game too
@@KenuYTB TDX doesn't look too promising except for the visuals , John has a clear obsession with replicating TDS making his game look generic , the killing towers mechanic already has been done multiple times (i think he got the idea by playing WTD 🗿)
scptd is a great game and it introduces a new gimmick like no tower defence has gadgets it cost no cash yet effective (cash is not gold people always confuse cash with gold cash is the in game currency gold is where you buy towers and gadgets etc)
I actually thought of this video idea aswell, but I just couldn’t bring myself to actually make it. I really dont like the current tds, it’s not the same.
In my opinion, I disagree because I get all my farm to level 3 in round 15-16 in fallen and I start my max my farm at 22-25. When I get all my farm to level 3, I start upgrading them to level 5, in times I upgrade them to 2 or even 4 of them to level 4, when I don't have the money. But this is My opinion.
I max my farms because I have dps towers that are expensive to consider it a dps tower (in my opinion engi lvl4 to count as dps tower accel lvl 3) and I can instantly max DJ and maybe place a few golden soldiers maxed just in case
This actually makes me turn back to think about all games that got farm. especially tower battles. spamming level 4 like crazy to get a ton of cash and ngl level 4 farm in tds is so bad. Only 250$ more cash for 2.5k? Nuh uh while level 0-3 actually got more cost efficency and 500 cash at level 3 for just 1k. (what is below doing with the level 4 and 5 farms bro)
isn't the purpose of farms is to upgrade other towers? not make your money back from those farms as fast as possible, im not talking about when you're doing hard events or when you're queued with other players, im talking about the modes you can solo, just easy modes in general.
wait but i only placed 7 lvl 5 farms which would be 35k and I got like 65k but idk how much waves it was because I went afk and somehow I was still alive lol
also in hardcore farms don't help too much because you will be getting most of your cash from enemies on later waves so level 3 farms are enough in hardcore
lev 2 and lev 3 farms have the same overall cost efficiency (total cost to cash per wave) so you def can but saying get 8 lev 2 farms up was more straight forward than saying get lev 3 farms along the way y'know
so its really complex but it really depends on how much money you have at the end of the wave. if you have 1k, dont buy another farm but upgrade a level 2 farm. you will get more.
EDIT : With the reworked Fallen Mode aim for Level 5 Farms, not level 3!
Kind of overkilled on hating Lev 4 and 5 farms, just make sure your defense is good before committing to them :o
level 4 is DOG WATER
Wdym overfarming is usefull
I upgrade farms at the right moment
Always that guy wo only upgrades his Farms to level 4
@@jovanochandra5278i met one person playing hardcore mode
He won't do anything else other than upgrade farm no matter how many try i said him to help me defend and i keep losing because of that
pro tip: overfarming is good if you help def mid game at the same time
pro tip #2: if you plan to upgrade farms to lvl 5 in matchmaking i recommend bringing sub dps
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Overfarming is overfarming, You have to keep a happy Greed/Defense Balance in TDS, Like a happy Work/Life balance, I'm bad at life though, so i play tds (this is just a joke i have a life)
People only care about the fact that farms pay themselves over time and how cost efficient certain levels are - but it's more about the sudden burst of cash that you're always given when farms take effect. It's not like you're going to actively consider the fact that, per say, a level 3 farm pays itself off in around 3-4 waves. You're going to care more about the cash given at the end of the wave. Now I completely get the thing about level 4 farm being a terrible cost-to-efficiency ratio hence why I try to avoid it as much as possible other than cases where I have the awkward imbetween where I can't upgrade any farms but are close to affording a level 5, making use of all of the cash that I can. The real question is *not* how long are those farms going to take to repay themselves, but what can you do with that sum of cash that you now have?
Some good examples can be as follows:
What do eight level 2 farms get you?
-A level 2 engineer
-A level 2 gladiator
-A level 2 golden scout
-A level 1 commander
What do eight level 3 farms get you?
-A level 3 engineer
-An accelerator, most likely because of the cash that you have just been given from a wave
-A level 3 gladiator in some cases
-A ranger
What do you get from eight level 5 farms?
-A maxed out engnineer starting from level 5 in 3-2 waves
-A maxed out accelerator starting from level 4 in 3-2 waves
and so on, so fourth
This seems to be the singular thing that people completely disreguard when talking, or rating, farms. I don't know if this is some sort of concept that people haven't thought of, but I feel like the whole cost-to-efficiency ratio thing is a bit overrated and overused in these kinds of conversations. Please explain why this is the case? I'm not up to arguing in the replies section but please state your concerns with this entire thing
Fr, 4k cash is not enough to get an Accel, even with wave bonus you can only get lvl 1 - lvl 2 at most unless theres a DJ.
But with 12k cash, you can get alot.
I ain’t readin allat 💀
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@@ChaoticStride he didnt say it was upgraded
Nah I have cowboy better than farm I think
Basic Farming:
1. Always do farming at the END of waves.
2. If you’re defending early game, you should also be farming a bit.
3. If you’re farming either defend by wave 16, or do it later but keep an eye on the situation.
4. Always get all level 3 farms, a level 3 DJ, & THEN get max farms.
5. If you end up having to pay for back up towers, keep them for now, as the next wave will be stronger.
6. Never get a level 4 farm unless you have 2500 at the end of wave & all the farms are level 3.
7. Always place all 8 farms. You’re making your life so much harder by having less.
8. Unless you’re doing normal mode, MAX YOUR FARMS.
As for the video:
1. Please don’t tell me you don’t understand investments. Level 5 farm’s aren’t less cost efficient than level 3 farms, they take LONGER to pay their DEBTS. Trust me, they’ll pay off their debts soon enough & give you triple of what level 3 farms give.
Let’s say I only have 10 waves left to make money with farms (It’s usually even more). A level 3 farm would make 5000, while a level 5 farm makes 15,000. And don’t even bring up debts in this case, as level 5 farms are still better.
2. Alright, but who really played normal mode? Newbies? They grind molten. Casual Players with everything? They do quad fallen.
People who want a challenge? Solo triple lane maps, solo hardcore, & etc. Point is, nobody does normal mode.
3. Why don’t people use level 5 farms in hardcore strats? Probably because the multiple mini boss waves just give lots of cash in addition to the beefy enemies. But honestly, I would still get level 5 farms if I can just so I don’t run out of micro money somehow.
4. Why do people still get level 5 farms for molten & fallen? Look here, every buck counts & level 5’s just give more money than level 3’s.
5. Maybe advise the players to actually be good teammates, than say that level 3 farms are the best, when they aren’t. Because a good teammate knows that they can’t be selfish, put the level 3 dj near the most farms instead of just their own, & etc.
6. Look here, as long as they’re getting all level 3 farms before they upgrade to 4’s & 5’s. It’s good enough for us all.
Totally agree on most of these, I was thinking on commenting on dj complimenting farms but chose to not include it at the end
yes.
The simplest way to farm effciently is just loosely following one rule and using some game sense. (adding up wave bonuses + enemy income to make a choice)
The rule is as followed:
*"Upgrading your farm is always better than placing a new one down."*
This rule applies until you reach 8 lvl 3's, at which point you can afford an accel each wave.
Lvl 4's are obviously inefficient, and lvl 5's *may* look useful, but it takes too long to get some down, by the time you can max out FARMS, you already are gaining more money every wave through enemies. The extra cash you get from lvl 5's are not at all nessecary. They can be helpful if you want wiggle room for mistakes, but if you plan out your strategy or are confident in your management, it isn't required at all.
The only times I can even consider lvl 5's being useful is with a squad of randoms on something like Pizza Party where you have generous prep time.
It's wave 35 or smth and your team each got down an accel, ur confident that they can hold their own, and you are broke from being the early game, by all means, you can catch up by getting 8 lvl 5 farms and make up enough money to contribute later.
Bro sthu ur over explaining made it more difficult to understand bro gave us an essay and in depth analysis 😂😹😹
@@deon_y9don’t listen to him this is useful advice thankyou
Honestly lvl 5 farms help a lot when you have to max out op towers but lvl 3 Is more to help with the mid game i would recommend to max farms IF mid game is going well
How many times have you guys died to overfarmers? o-o
Yes
None,since I only play with my brother and he doesn’t farm
once
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7 times they spam so much
I kind of disagree with your opnion about lvl 4 and 5 farms. (ik you said they are fine in molten and fallen but hear me out) The reason you get lvl 5 farms are not because of the cost efficiency, it's because you want to get a bunch of money in the same wave. For example, if you want to max a mini with only lvl 3 farms you need atleast 3 whole waves(depending on the wave you are doing this, 2 if taking to acount the money damage).
Now if you want to do that wih max farms, it's only 1 wave and you have 3k to spare.
If you have teammates and no expensive towers you should just go for lvl 3
If you have an expensive tower and you are solo or with teammates, lvl 5 is reccomended.
To add to my comment, go for lvl 3 for a while before lvl 5 to help teammates, but if they are doing fine you can go for max ones.
i think hes mostly referring to early game, also a good way to place expensive towers early ( accel, turret, ranger, etc ) ( w10-16 varying from your expensive towers ) is to mainly get 8 lv 2 farms and then save up from there on, its insanely useful and by the time u place ur expensive tower lv 3 farms are really easy to get from that on and u dont have to worry about being useless, only con is not having good early defense and i think u can deal with that with tower variety
On fallen, lvl 5 farms are required for expensive towers like enginner and accel, always upgrade farms to lvl 5 instead of keeping lvl 4, cuz lvl 4 has the worst value.
hardcore, polluted 2 and maybe badlands, you won't need lvl 5 farms just lvl 3, for polluted i farm with cowboy and still can max enginner and accels until wave 40.
I always got level 5 farms but now watching this I’m gonna use level 3 farms more often
Yea you can get nearly full maxed towers with only lev 3 farms and a dj it's so good ):DD
no I could get lvl 21 farms at lvl 20-21 at molten and fallen you could def use lvl 5 farms if you are that good
@@Senselessdogruffruff level 21?? Damn bro didn’t know that existed
lol
W guide and nice vids love ya
thanks :)
i saw you in game and said hi (i was stickman) and i foloowed you
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les gooo@@KenuYTB
I remember back from the day, my first days of playing TDS. I maxed farms first before i place towers lol.
But now i've changed my strategies.
No Way Is this true😭 Also did you get yelled at when doing this?
Thank you, now I can farm better
u seem familiar🤨
Real lord biggest 🙀
Guys once you have all lvl 3 farms, it doesn't matter if you upgrade one farm from lvl 3 to lvl 5 or three farms from lvl 3 to lvl 4
Fun fact: "The three lvl 4 farms(2250) make more money than one max farm (1500$)
As both cost same 7.5k for max one farm and also 7.5k for three lvl 4 farms
Also i would suggest to upgrade each farm one by one
from start to end (lvl 1-5)
you did not cook with this one, get lvl 5 farms and only lvl 4 if u cant afford lvl 5
This helps a lot thanks!
I did the math:
Lvl 3 farms cost 2000 cash in total to place and upgrade but gives out 500. Assuming that you would get all your money back in 4 waves exactly.
Lvl 5 farms cost 9500 cash in total to place and upgrade but gives out 1500. Assuming that you would get all your money back in 6.3 waves.
I’ll round both to wave 3.5 and 6 waves just to include the money from killing enemies every wave.
lvl 5 farms are more useful in terms of long game modes that include 40 waves. If you were to focus on farm only for the duration, it will take about 20-22 waves(estimated from my own experience) to max all 8 farms out. With 8 farms costing a total of 74000 cash in total to max out, it will take 5.5-6 waves to get all your money back. With the remaining waves of 40-20-6, you would have 14 waves to profit which leads to a sum of *164000* extra cash in the end.
lvl 3 farms on the other hand will take around 10-11 waves(estimated from my own experience) to upgrade all farms to lvl 3. With 8 lvl 3 farms costing a total of 16000 cash, it will take around 3.8-4 waves to get all your money back. With the remaining waves of 40-10-4, you would have about 26 waves to profit which leads to a sum of *104000* extra cash in the end.
In conclusion, the ratio between 26 waves and 16 waves simplified would become 13:8. With a 5 number difference equalizing big gap of 60000 cash, getting lvl 3 farms are indeed better. HOWEVER, in cases where your teammates are the ones defending well for the first few waves to mid game, getting lvl 5 farms isn’t a big deal at all, especially if you have expensive towers to upgrade such as the pursuit, accelerator, engineer or turret, there’s a reasonable explanation for over farming.
To wrap things up, lvl 5 farms aren’t useless, it really just depends on the type of load-out for the game. Just play your part, you can easily triumph. 👍
0:37 Fun fact: Thats me in the background (glitch guy) and someone decided to place aces everywhere
Thx i tried it it helped me soo sooo much ❤❤❤
So don’t use lvl 5 farms? How am I supposed to buy high costing towers?
Thank It helped me a lot
What I do:
1.Put 4 farms in order
2.Leveling them till lvl 3
3.Buy High-Cost Towers,like my Minigunners or maxing them out like my Wardens
4.Leveling them more
5.Repeat step 3
6.Max them
I always put 4 cuz DUH overfarming is very common like
LITERALLY TODAY I GOT WARDEN BUT BRO 4 GAMES BEFORE....(pizza party)
I was matched with 3 guys with +100 lvl (I just have 35 lvl)
No one did nothing.
I was trying to stop the Anormals but 2 Soldiers cant do the work,I was triggered.
(I was also farming but Minigunners are not cheap exactly)
I also got Crook Boss today lol
(yea we lost at round 4,the worst run I haver ever seen and did in my life.)
you physically cannot die on pizza party wave 4
@@GSFFEAF they did idk how lol
@@GSFFEAF in getting accel too,this comment is kinda old
level 3 farms arent enough when you have towers like accelerator and engineer. (also when you are the early defender)
You would have enough I tried it
@@webIQ162 well i didnt
I kind of agree with you here, I think after getting all level 3 farms, you should start defending whitout getting them to level 5 only in hard modes, since the mode is hard, then by the time you get them all to level 3, there will be strong bosses, which will give A LOT OF CASH, but if the mode is easy, like molten, then you should get like 3 or 5 farms to max, because the bosses will not gve that much cash. I know normal is easy too, but it has only 30 waves so by the time you get farms to level 5, the match will almost be over.
A level 2 farm costs a total of 1000 cash for 250 per wave, if you upgrade this farm to level 3 it will cost 1000 and grant 250 more cash than level 2. Therefore buying a level 3 is the exact same as buying another level 2.
I feel like i should state this but whenever I max my farms I usually reach the last wave and that’s when all my accelerators are maxed and if I have another tower like gladiator I didn’t place any or a lot or didn’t pay much attention to them because I was focused on maxing farms and accel. Though I didn’t just max farms and contribute to nothing during the process, I did help. But now after watching this I’m definitely going with level 3.
fun fact, placing a level 2 farm is the same as upgrading a level 2 farm to level 3, so
If you end a wave with 1000 cash, you are better off upgrading a level 2 farm to level 3, why?
lets say you have 2 level 2 farms and 1 level 1, if you use the 1000 cash to upgrade the level 1 farm and use the cash left to place another farm, your income will increase by 200 and you will have 100 cash left wich couldnt get invested in farms
Now if you use the 1k to upgrade a level 2 farm, your income will increase by 250
There is a single exception, if you have 1100 cash, and you have 2 level 1 farms, it is better to upgrade both of the farms to level 2 rather than getting a level 2 farm to level 3
TLDW: Just spam lv 3 farms then max em one by one, recommended for fallen and not for hardcore
You usually don't see level 5 farms in hardcore because last game you make enough money anyways where it's mostly useless.
What I do in solo molten is I place my lv 1 jester and then I get 8 lv 2 farms (make sure the farms are near somewhere along the path where you will place dj) by wave 8, then by wave 9 I get 2 lv 3 farms, then I get a lv 3 jester (with fire bombs) for the boss. Next I get a lv 3 dj that cover all 8 of the farms. Next I get the rest of the farms to lv 3. At this point I get down a lv 3 accel right before the Necro comes out. Once I do that I start to max farms. If you followed this correctly then you should have all of your farms maxed out by wave 20 or 21 depending on if you placed your farms right before the next waves starts in that 5 seconds
I’m level 411 and already knew all this… and you forgot something COWBOY, farm or cowboy, which is better? That’s the real question, one gives less cash but a defense, other gives cash and is gonna kill you from a lack of guns.
Yea I think corso made a vid on that already tho I think? if there are any new changes to any of the 2 I'd probably make one though
the problem about cowboy is:
it gives way too much eco and takes way too much time,
farm is MORE THAN ENOUGH, cowboy surely gives some insane eco, but its only useful in solo hardcore, which requires you to place 3 different dps towers to limit and max them all
Farms kinda just transfer your money arround waves.
You spend money you don't need in the early game on farms, so that in the late game you get more money then you'd get without them.
My farming strategy is focus on 4 farms too lvl 3, then I will place 4 more farms and max them out one by one.
in my opinion,in new version of fallen if you farm for max level of accel or engineer,you have to upgrade all farm to lv 5.Or you don't have enough money to max them
how to max farms as fast as possible on fallen 4 player
1. Place lvl 1 farm before Wave 1 starts
2. Place 2 more lvl 1 farms one by one
3. Plave 1 lvl 0 farm.
(Based starting towers you will get more money from their damage. Gladiators, G soldier, g scout grant beyond more money than something like a warden, shotgunner, demo, hunter, sniper, military base, or elf camp)
4. (If you have at least $450 before the wave bonus) upgrade a lvl 1 farm to lvl 2.
5. lvl the rest of the farms (there should be 4 rn) to lvl 2
6. place 4 more lvl 2 farms one by one (place more farms if you cannot afford lvl 2 farms. For instants, you have $486, instead of saving for a lvl 2 farm, place another at lvl 1.)
7. by wave 11, you should have 8 lvl 2 farms and enough for a lvl 3 upgrade.
8. upgrade every farm to lvl 3.
9. If you want, you can place a lvl 3 dj near your farms. It wont help too much
10. One by one, max all farms (if you cant upgrade a farm to lvl 5, you can upgrade another farm to lvl 4 if you have enough for it)
You should be done by 22
question: how many farms do you reccomend to place
8 is the limit so 8 I guess?
@@KenuYTB ok
i always put 3 farms lvl 1, then upgrade those into lvl 2, after that i put the ramaining farms and put them all to lvl 3, and then if you wanna do immediatly for some reason upgrade them as fast as you can to lvl 5 one by one
If you use lv4 gladiator you can get max farms around wave 24 if you are good enough and trust me it is worth it.
Ps. Don’t get max farms 22 or 23 because of slow bosses instead if you are using gladiator get a max (and use ability on the slow boss).
This is if you want to seed run solo btw.
Kinda late but you can get max farms by wave 19 or 20
Yo do u think u could try playing World Tower Defense. It is difficult at first but u got to do the toturial. It also has two types of missions. Over 20 maps. The most unique towers and enemy so because there is no track. Alll towers are unique. There is over 30 towers and more every update. It just go pvp and it’s fire. It had accessories that change how u play signifcsntly it has almost 15 fifteens game modes. Please try it I swear it’s fun no matter how hard it id
thx for the tips to use farms
happy it helped :)
"8 lvl 3 farms" it will take you 9 years to get a max accelerator
literally says upgrade from lvl 3 to 5 instantly
thats for easy modes mostly, on fallen u can get max
''69% percent less likely'' got me dead 💀
Yo Kenu can you play Geometry defence again? It’s gotten a lot of updates.
My farming strat is
1 lvl 2 farm
Then another lvl 2 farm
Then a lvl 3 farm
Then upgrade the other 2 to 3
Then place 5 more lvl 3 farms
Then max them 1 by 1 💀
While I do agree that level 3 farms are the best farms, I still believe it's still good to get level 5 farms. I want to comment on the hardcore point. You usually dont get level 5 famrs because by the time you can afford them without dying, you're already making enough money.
My personal guide on farming (wave 20 if you don't defend)
Get 2 level 1 farms
Get them to level 2
Get 6 level 2 farms
Upgrade to level 3
Skip level 4 and upgrade 8 farms to level 5 (as the pinned comment said if the defense isn't enough go defend or smth)
I always farm like this but i think lvl 5 farms are worth it but maybe its cuz i play solo games most of the time
Very interesting, but i usually just place farms and upgrade them till wave 14(fallen mode) i usually place dj and max it for my teammates to place smh good plus near my farm so i have the discount buff so i can focus max farm fast and place smh useful
I often place a max dj after I placed all my lvl 3 farms and then I max the farms
100% a good strat
Placing a max dj could help speed up mid game when you are playing with other people so yes a very good strategy
I think it's more cost efficient to just do level 3 dj though. A lvl 3 dj saves 750 per farm and a lvl 5 dj saves 1500 per farm, so a lvl 3 dj would cost 4250 and save 6000, while a max dj would cost 17250 and save 12000, making it not worth it and wasting bursts of farm cash. Overall it's just not worth it unless you also help teammates with the dj
Best loadout (cost efficient and high dps) :
1) Soldier (early game) [lv0 for high dps, lv2 for hidden detection] (cheapest yet high dps to cost ratio if u dont have golden scout)
2) Farm [lv2 all asap, then lv3 one by one, (Optional: maxed all farms starting on wave 20 to 28)]
3) Cowboy (Optional tower) (early game) [lv0 for more money] buy 3 of them is enough
4) Acel (mid to late game) [lv3 for hidden detection, lv5 for hugh dps]
5) Commander (mid to late game) just buy 3 is enough [lv3 to unlock ability, maxed 1 of 3 for +25% more fire rate]
Notes:
If u dont have acel, go for minigunner instead.
Tips:
Dont upgrade lv0 cowboy. Upgrading it is a waste of money and bad dps.
Try this loadout and u will see a big difference in ur gameplay.
But sometimes you have an extra cash you can use to put another farm or upgrade one to lvl 4 if the defense is good enough
That's like farming with one farm
yea no, lvl 4 and lvl 5 farms still provide the most money per wave. this is very useful for when you need to upgrade for a large upgrade per wave. Such as max accel. u would only have to wait 2-3 waves compared to 6 per wave. the reason in hc why lvl 3 farms arent used is due to how much money you make in the late game.
level 3 farms are used in Lucille's Hardcore strategy
who tf uses strategies @@robowisanveithasung6022
@@robowisanveithasung6022thats because you make a bunch of bank in the later stages of the game without the need for high level farms
Nice now make a farming strategy for hardcore
i'm doing this comment just so this video gets recommended to more people lol
I learned this from Corso while he was trying to beat new fallen
I recently buyed the farm cause i started 2 days ago and i really realized my teammates and i were overfarming
So get level 5 one by one because I get 1,500 each wave?
*yes*
Hello kenu I saw ur tower galactica video and I was wondering if you need any help to heat the game :)
I didn't commented on that video because you will probably won't see it
Don't worry I won't be sad or mad because you don't want to it's totally understandable
I just wanna play more the game cuz I love the game and you will like the game too
I like reading comments so I read almost all of em but yea I beat duhovnic so I don't need help thanks tho
@@KenuYTB small spoiler
That was just the begging
there is one and only one time level 5 farms are a good idea in hardcore mode
Most Player lost to low money not overfarming
facts.
Moral of the story: Dont be like player 3
i agree lvl 3 farms are the most efficent
Life is roblox
I hope good td games are gonna get out soon , td games are starting to get dry
I only know of Worlds Collide TD and TDX coming this year, Worlds Collide should be releasing soon but idk it'll be that good just yet
@@KenuYTB TDX doesn't look too promising except for the visuals , John has a clear obsession with replicating TDS making his game look generic , the killing towers mechanic already has been done multiple times (i think he got the idea by playing WTD 🗿)
Could you play SCP tower defense? It's one of my favorite games and I think it's a good game :)
scptd is a great game and it introduces a new gimmick like no tower defence has
gadgets it cost no cash yet effective (cash is not gold people always confuse cash with gold cash is the in game currency gold is where you buy towers and gadgets etc)
I actually thought of this video idea aswell, but I just couldn’t bring myself to actually make it. I really dont like the current tds, it’s not the same.
The Title Is Just: Tower Defense Simulator Tower Defense Simulator How To Farm
(Cuz TDS=Tower Defense Simulator)
the title "TDS How to Farm" felt too short lmao
@@KenuYTBhow bout "How to farm efficiently in Tower Defense Simulator"
In my opinion, I disagree because I get all my farm to level 3 in round 15-16 in fallen and I start my max my farm at 22-25. When I get all my farm to level 3, I start upgrading them to level 5, in times I upgrade them to 2 or even 4 of them to level 4, when I don't have the money. But this is My opinion.
I missed level 4 farms before your video
As a mid tds player over farming isn’t as annoying as it is 4 pros I think
Overfarming isn't really a problem seeing how easy tds is
I've died to overfarmers with golden towers, I've seen it all ;-;
@@KenuYTB tds is easy even with the lower cash from the 4 player mode you just have a skill issue
i've died to overfarmers too much because they randomly decide that they need to max all their farms and not doing anything else even on pw2
@@KenuYTB daym can't imagine those players trying out duhovnic , they be dying on wave 2
Im spam lv 1 farm then start upgrading lv4 1by1
💀💀
I never use lvl 5. From when I was lvl 80, I NEVER upgraded farms to lvl 5. Lvl 3 is MY MAX.
I max my farms because I have dps towers that are expensive to consider it a dps tower (in my opinion engi lvl4 to count as dps tower accel lvl 3) and I can instantly max DJ and maybe place a few golden soldiers maxed just in case
This actually makes me turn back to think about all games that got farm.
especially tower battles. spamming level 4 like crazy to get a ton of cash
and ngl level 4 farm in tds is so bad. Only 250$ more cash for 2.5k? Nuh uh
while level 0-3 actually got more cost efficency and 500 cash at level 3 for just 1k. (what is below doing with the level 4 and 5 farms bro)
isn't the purpose of farms is to upgrade other towers? not make your money back from those farms as fast as possible, im not talking about when you're doing hard events or when you're queued with other players, im talking about the modes you can solo, just easy modes in general.
Imo I get 2 level 2 farms then get them to level 3 before placing more
I only upgrade and use farm in solo molten using militant aswell
Epic!
I just get level 3 farms then place max dj for 20% discount then max them 1 by 1
I thought it said "fart"☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
bold of you to assume I play with other people
How tf do people still manage to play this game like it literally hasn't had a real update in like 8 months
Theres gonna be a huge update near the end of the year.
Farming in TB is still better IMO 😂😂
What if im playing solo
Im convinced this is a satire video
I kinda need max farm for 8 max accels
what about accel
should you max farms if theres a max lvl dj nearby?
If your defense is looking solid 100% just a reminder to upgrade them to lev 5 one by one
wait but i only placed 7 lvl 5 farms which would be 35k and I got like 65k but idk how much waves it was because I went afk and somehow I was still alive lol
Wave reward has left the chat
I knew this already lol
so basically ive been farming wrong for 2 years of playing TDS ???
spamming level 2 farms is kinda bad just get another level 3 farm and you can spend the leftover money to get a level 0 or 1 farm for extra cash
also in hardcore farms don't help too much because you will be getting most of your cash from enemies on later waves so level 3 farms are enough in hardcore
lev 2 and lev 3 farms have the same overall cost efficiency (total cost to cash per wave) so you def can but saying get 8 lev 2 farms up was more straight forward than saying get lev 3 farms along the way y'know
so its really complex but it really depends on how much money you have at the end of the wave. if you have 1k, dont buy another farm but upgrade a level 2 farm. you will get more.
Please play tower hero’s for a video
Why is this guy lower than 500k subs
Im still gonna get level 5 farms because im your average btd6 player 3
Wave 22 get all fram lvl 5 = 40 wave we get 216000
i will still lvl farms to 4 & 5, theyre op
With me I alway put farm near my dj for sweet discount
OK FR tho i fell like that was a little to much hate besides u CANNNN just use dj i mean like u can get it at the start of the match
Place 616 lvl 3s now.