@@marksvideochannel3592 I agree. Luxon think ToW is the basis of some sort of partnership which is just wrong. The British Empire was not in the business of forming partnerships when colonizing the various parts of the world in the 19th century. It was conquer and rule.
David Seymour's insights on the Treaty Principles Bill protest are spot on! It's great to see such open dialogue around important issues. Thought-provoking and timely discussion-thank you for sharing your perspective!
Tino Rangatiratanga was a obvious reality in 1840 when 99 percent of the population was native and tribalised. That situation has been completely changed by 184 years of intermarriage and inter-tribal mixing. In today's world TR is a practical nonsense.
By simply letting a unique culture thrive in their own homelands. We as pakeha or foreigners should feel proud to work alongside them. This culture is one of a kind in the world, and I’m happy of how far they’ve come and will support them all the way
TR in the Maori text of the Treaty means the "full possession" of the English official text. Full possession rights means full ownership rights. I realise that other people interpret TR to mean "Maori sovereignty" but I believe that in the Treaty TR is saying that Maori and all the people of New Zealand have property rights.
Most Hikoi supporters could not articulate their issues with the bill. Some didn't even know what the bill content was. Just the usual rhetoric coming from TMP
@@solo_0001 GREAT, so please explain why you disagree with "the same treatment for anyone and not by race"...please. We are all open to a good reason why this is a bad idea but as David said here, no one yet has.
Yeah, when interviewed those that were, as we have seen , couldn’t say what they actually found wrong with the bills proposals, except to say to honour the (colonists) treaty, and condemning colonists but forgetting they themselves are of colonists blood. lol. Others said they were there simply to support others that were there and hadn’t read the bill at all, but felt strongly against it. So really goes to show the media beat up for TPM and did their job for them.
@ It comes back to the agreement of the treaty and tbh my own and family’s experience with this “Privilege” everybody who’s not Māori is telling me we get. The Bill implies that the treaty has been UPHELD this whole time when successive GOVT have clarified a long time ago the land reforms at the end of the 18th century and systemic racism of Māori stemming well into the 19th century was Severely mis handled. This has come along way though and I respect where NZ and it’s people have gotten to but this is in part the reason for all the “handouts”. Im not against equality but myself and alot of Māori that I’m related to and know Don’t understand all this privilege that we get, I have to wait at A&E for 4hrs like everyone else, all people from NZ are entitled to the benefit not just Māori, I was decent at sport but there weren’t no Māori scholarships for anybody I knew, is there a small percentage of Māori that are getting all this while the rest of us just live like everyone else? So in part I was at the Hikoi because I felt as though there trying to take away something we don’t even get.
We can't, we're working. The rest of us, the other 99.2% of us, are either employed or senior and the rest of the students are at school and other and don't agree with the 0.8%. How many of the protesters fall into those categories.
@@yobronicoco4496Naming a few, seats on the council or in government without having to be voted in, preferential treatment in medical care, tax paid TV channels without having to finance itself, funding from government for their projects
The land the power stations, railways, rds, etc, are built on land taken.under the Public works act, Maori werent allowed to vote for 13 years when govt was established, Maori getting priority is some cases regarding health care is because, for many years, people the same color as you got everything, not you privledged fools are upset, get out of our country you don't belong here racist colonisers @@colindigitaljames6619
It is already in the Treaty if you bother to read it. Maori agreed to the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of the all components of the land.
Weather we vote on the bill or not the general election will rate parties on their handling of this. Equality in law is not negotiable in any modern society.
Equality in law is already in place. Not a single person in that march could tell you a single "Right" that they stand to lose. A tiny percentage of Bureaucrats are afraid to lose the tiny amount of relevance they have managed to gift for themselves, and they've used a race hustle to conjure up a rent-a-crowd
@@morbidclashSeparate electoral roll for Maori, why do you have a separate vote based on race, you should be voting for those people through the same electoral roll as everyone else. Maori health care organization that has pushed everyone else behind on the waiting list in favor of Maori, I understand that Maori have worse immunity but it doesn't mean other people don't have medical problems as well. Lower pass rates for Maori in medical school, why does past discrimination towards Maori mean you get it easier through school. Maori automatically gets seats in parliament, it was needed at the time it was implemented to prevent Maori from being pushed under the rug but it's not like that anymore Maori are far more widely accepted.
Why, what is it you support, what is it he is actually trying to do. The treaty works well for all New Zealanders , have you had any problems that have affected you? Even with this treaty there is still have inequality for Māori in so many ways in this country.
@bernardwinkels7117 are you confusing inequality for lack of ability that a small percentage of some maori possess to make the most of the many many opportunities given that the rest of the country can. maori/ non maori inclusive.
Why is David brave? He like the Maori Party are pleasing their supporters and wasting tax payer money that was agreed to in 1840, that the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of all components of the land, except under excessive governments choose to ignore the land part hence the Maori Land Wars in the 1860's.
@@bernardwinkels7117- lol the Treaty violates NEW ZEALAND society, or country's name, our Parliament, our English language news platforms, the names of our Government departments, meetings with the waste of time prayers and foreign words...it's an abomination to OUR traditions, our heritage, our rights, our freedoms, our lifestyle and our way of life. No the Treaty doesn't help all New Zealand citizens, only one race.
So the vitally important matter. is costing the taxpayer unnecessary money that will be voted down by National and NZ First in the second reading eg the Bill will die.
The thing I find interesting is that in 1840 the treaty was signed between the crown (being the British Empire) and Maori - but later the British Empire dissolved, and it was replaced by the NZ government. And the NZ government is there to represent us, as we elected them. So it makes sense that any changes to the way NZ operates has to be mandated by the people, and that the people be given a chance to make a submission.
Except that we have still not become a republic. We are still a dominion with the Crown as head of state. Which means the Crown still rules NZ and the Maori chiefs still have a Treaty with the Crown. So it does not matter if the Empire dissolved because the Treaty is with the Crown. And the Crown still rules NZ unless we become a republic.
@@davexb6595 If we become a republic does the treaty automatically attach itself to us? Would it not be better to have a referendum...1. Dump the treaty 2. Become a republic 3. Dump treaty stay in commonwealth If the nation was asked these 3 questions we would get a fair result of what the majority of the nation wants in moving forward.
@@valeriehughes1008- the treaty dissolves when we become a republic. We start over with our own laws, judicial system. It won't be Maorified, it would be NEW Zealandfied...for everyone as a collective, not just one race.
David and the Act party are the only ones who have the fortitude and where with all to ask the hard questions. Many or previous governments have looked at this question and shied away from it and just kicked the can down the road. We have Luxon totally scared of upsetting Maori, and in the process showing himself up to be a very weak and political immature leader which he is. New Zealand has to address this racial problem and do it now, because it is not going away, just because Luxon wants it to.
I don't know why is it so difficult to read and understand the bill is all about equality. I have read what NZ First has got prepared regarding the Treaty principles and in my opinion I like ACT proposal better. I love Maoris and I acknowledge they got to New Zealand first before anyone else I get that but their rights as indigenous to this land is not affected by this bill. they will be treated like everyone else who lives legally in NZ and consider this great country as their home
Maori agreed in 1840, agreed that the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of all components of the land, except under excessive governments choose to ignore the land part hence the Maori Land Wars in the 1860's.
NZ First Aotearoa Tuatahi 💯 I'm all for the Treaty as our National Document. He Tapu te Tiriti heoi the unessesary attention and political stunt making has completely hood winked the public. NZ First and PM Luxton have said it time and time again they won't support it passed reading 2. Its time to move forward in unity 🤝 and aroha. The hikoi was a strategy to also encourage more ppl to switch to Maori roll. I'm ex Kohanga now a PHD researcher and all this carry on is really more a hoha. The MMP electorate system was actually formed under a National Act and Maori Party alliance at the time Te Ururoa Flavel was the Leader of old Maori Party. This New activist don't know they are to focused on presenting a new interpretation of the Treaty which Labour or the Greens would endorse.
@@chrismckellar9350 that is the English version, the Māori version says that Māori will have tino rangatira tanga, sovereignty and independence over their own people and their land. You really think Māori would let 2 men in a boat take over the land and have sovereignty over them? No, ofc they wouldn’t😂
Why is David courageous? He like the Maroi Party are pleasing their supporters and wasting tax payer money that was agreed to in 1840, that the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of all components of the land, except under excessive governments choose to ignore the land part hence the Maori Land Wars in the 1860's.
Don't agree with a lot of Seymour's ideas, but at the moment he is the champion of rational debate and discussion in this country. Support or oppose his Bill but do it with reason and logic , backed up by facts. The problem is, not many people are willing to do that.
Oh but it's nothing to do with us lol just enact Magna Carta and you don't need to pay taxes and fines many have done it, no-one talks about that Treaty anymore but it still works
Yep I strongly support David Seymour's bill! Used to support addressing grievances through TOW tribunal but it appears to have become a grievance industry and vehicle for apartheid. I dont know what the treat means anymore and I see the Maori parti as a bunch of racists.
I totally agree. And I think what David has done even if this bill goes nowhere, it has opened the discussions. Exposed TPM and shows that the rest of new zealand wants a say in the future. Not to return to the stone age.
Wait till you hear Winston's bill, coming as he exits deputy prime Minister seat, and David takes over. Maori will wish David's went thru... Check his full coalition agreement😂😂 wait and see the war dances then.
Radicals whether left or right are totally annoying But its a perspective thing One side says they should rule and the other says the same Where is the middle ground to bring us together?
@michaelferguson651 sadly, as David said, certain Acts, 3 I thinks he named will not be touched, so as he said the "principles" will still exist. Also as they are being changed now, Labour/TPM can reverse them just as quick. So Davids Bill and/or referendum.is paramount
Generation after generation are told because you're born into a certain culture it will define who you become . When it should be taught it doesn't matter what race or culture you are , it's the decisions you make in life that determine where you'll end up
In 1907 NZ became a Dominion by Royal Proclamation... at the time the discussions were what our citizens were to be known as... Australia were called Australians, Canada, Canadians...it was decided all those born outside the colony were to be known as Colonials... those born in NZ were to be known as New Zealanders... further broken down by New Zealander of Maori descent.... New Zealander of European decent etc. We have always been called something and that is New Zealanders..
I agree. Also, cultural identity is an individual choice. That choice us largely influenced by one's life experience. For example, most Singaporean have Chinese ancestry but because Singapore used to be part of Malaysia, they are also very much influenced by the Malay culture.
This is because the world and the system of the world wants ONE culture. There are many cultures in the world and people need to think for themselves instead they are told what culture should be and follow like little lambs.
I agree with you but lots of Māori think the Treaty helps to preserve their culture. Given that is the case , it is hard to end the Treaty in the near future.
@@bernardwinkels7117 Lots of Māori serving in parliament and doing well in many work places so the opportunities are there for any one who works hard and has the ability to be a good member of society. What ever your ethnicity all Kiwis are blessed to live in this land compared to many other places in this world. Take advantage of a bright future ahead if you want it, do your best and enjoy it, all working together is the only way forward.
Your welcome to come and dig my mum up off her maori land, to sell off, equality dose not equal to equity. Not to mention the family's hurting through this bill! It will be a civil war! We should have the same equal rights to dig your ancestors up and disrespect family's grieving their loved ones! Move them from a place that's been home to them for many of centuries! Yes Maori are hurting! This is not the way forward!
I think it’s fantastic that both David and Winston are both Maori and are both trying to bring equality to all kiwis ! Go David ! I sincerely hope you become PM on day !
So what else is David doing??? He is wasting time on this issue, why don't he start getting things across that will pass the first reading and start helping NZ. He only ever talks about this, not how he is going to solve people struggling out there. He needs to get a grip and stop playing politics is all i am saying.
@@Tokolosh-v5n The Elephant in the room is this" National will not support this Bill now the first reading has been done so move on" simple aye, wasted time and energy really when other pressing matters can be dealt with.
Hikoi was worthy, legal protest. You obviously can’t hear the Māori perspective. That’s a shame but not new. Many like you have no interest in what Māori are saying. That’s a shame.
David is like the Maori Party pleasing their supporters and wasting tax payer money that was agreed to in 1840, that the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of all components of the land, except under excessive governments choose to ignore the land part hence the Maori Land Wars in the 1860's.
@@solo_0001 "This relative peace was shattered in 1835 when Māori of the Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama tribes, both from Taranaki, arrived in the Chatham Islands in search of new territories and resources. Moriori under attack Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama immediately began killing and enslaving the Moriori people. Although Moriori outnumbered them almost two to one, they chose to obey Nunuku’s Law and did not fight back. Approximately 300 were killed, and the rest were enslaved. The tribe was in danger of being destroyed completely. Following several Moriori petitions, the New Zealand government finally stepped in after 28 years. However, a land court in 1870 decided to give most of the Chatham Islands to Ngāti Tama and Ngāti Mutunga, despite the fact that most Māori had by this time returned to their homes in Taranaki." Te Ara Encyclopedia of New Zealand
You can sense a big seachange coming!!! As a factory worker I always voted labour but silly co governance focus switched me to national now mr potato head's ineffectual leadership has pushed me to act
I've got a lot of admiration for David. Unlike most politicians he works hard to stay polite and actually answers questions, generally burning those who ask the most idiotic ones. And wow do our biased media ask a lot of idiotic and entrapping questions. Wish we had more politicians like him and far less of the word salad, redirect, refuting or calling everything racist ones.
Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast from the Cook Islands during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by later waves of Polynesians (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Polynesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced groups arriving from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated to the North East Coast of NZ driven by the South Equatorial Current and were stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life including 10 species of Moa and 46 other bird species, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner
David you are you doing the right thing. The Maori people are not New Zealand’s native people. This has been proven so often. Why do we keep saying they are. They can not find work because they are not looking. As they don’t have to. They end up equal with people that have worked every day of their lives. This is not fair or right.
@@PlucktocksEvery single person in this country is native to somewhere... And it's NOT NZ. The only thing native to this country is the land and ocean around it. Get out from that web of lies!
Maori are the first settlers to NZ. Maori as first settlers agreed to in 1840, that the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of all components of the land, except under excessive governments choose to ignore the land part hence the Maori Land Wars in the 1860's.
Te Apartied Maori party. They are unbeliveable. The amount of people who were interviewd in parliament grounds, on what they didnt like about the bill, clearly had no idea about the bill or the treaty to be fair. Looked like uneducated idiots to be fair.
Let's take a New Zealander alive today, who happens to be highly wealthy and successful and who's ancestry is 50% Chinese, 25% European and 25% Maori. Which side of the Treaty is this person on exactly? Oppressed, oppressor or neither? Is it right and fair that this person and their kids are currently entitled to claim special privileges and entitlements over the rest of us? e.g. race based scholarships, easier access to Uni courses, preferential and discounted access to public medical services, unelected seats on local government, seperate voting rights, dedicated seats in parliament, etc. Or should all of us as New Zealanders be entitled to the same equal set of rights and responsibilities instead? Would it be so bad if government spending, policy and laws were directed based on need, not on ancestry or self identified race? If we took this approach, then wouldn't groups most in need still get most of the help anyway, just without being racist about it?
I agree with you totally. Also verifying whether someone has Maori ancestry will become harder say 10 years from now. Current approach is not only unfair but also unsustainable. We need to see there will be problems ahead so we should fix this now.
Why is David the voice of reason? He like the Maroi Party are pleasing their supporters and wasting tax payer money that was agreed to in 1840, that the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of all components of the land, except under excessive governments choose to ignore the land part hence the Maori Land Wars in the 1860's.
Obviously the opposition to the Act Bill is motivated principally by fear, and fear can have multiple causes. Seymour is doing a good job in alleviating some of that. I suspect the intensity of fear will diminish fairly quickly. Seymour might find someone to steel-man the opposition argument, as this might add context and realism which is often easier to deal with, than the "Sky is falling" arguments, which are commonly repeated. The accusation the Seymour is "rewriting the Treaty" is pure projection. That is what they have been doing for 50 years. I am still undecided as whether the bill as written is better or worse than the "no principles" argument. I like the Act Bill in part because I am a lifetime republican, and think the Bill solves some problems in that area. I am already sure delay in the hope of unity would be a mistake. Support is building.
I would say David's bill is better. NZF's proposal still leave some pieces of legislation referring to the principles of ToW. Thus those laws are still open to future court interpretation.
The final English draft is the one we should be following, not the James Freeman rogue treaty, anyway equal rights for ALL Not superior rights for some, you don't agree with that?
Could someone get former Act party president Tim Jago his views on this. Is he able to do interviews where he is currently at? Or is ACT trying to get that swept under the carpet as well
why can we not have discussions like this in parliament, calm, fact based and logical, not one interupting each other, no one disrespecting the other. Time for Gerry Brownlee to get his house in order
There is a hikoi of 130,000 people marching out of this country each year. In the year ending July 2024, 133,600 people left New Zealand, which is the highest number on record for an annual period
I hear so much emotion from the Māori side and rationale from the other side. There seems such a perspective divide that may never be bridged. Hopefully we can at least discuss it in safe space.
Thanks, David and Michael for clarifying NZ First's position on the Treaty Principles and that of ACT NZ. If NZ First's proposal is to review the Treaty Principles only as they apply to selective legislation, then it will not achieve very much. The Treaty Principles Bill is a much better way - across the board - to limit the open-ended interpretations of the Treaty Principles by the courts and to ensure that all NZers are treated equally.
Seriously, New Zealand need a Treaty bill discussion? especially when half the country is struggling with employment and other critical issues. The divide-and-rule approach is no surprise. Why are we not addressing rising youth crime? Why are we not focusing on bringing more businesses to New Zealand? Why are we not ensuring our nurses and doctors are paid well so they don’t leave for Australia, ensuring everyone has access to quality healthcare? Why are we ignoring the issue of Christian pedophilia and child trafficking in New Zealand? Why aren’t we talking about the public sector laying off workers, which is putting immense stress on our economy as more people are forced onto welfare? It’s baffling that our leaders seem focused on division instead of solving real issues. I’m not Māori; I’m Jewish, and I know what Nazi Germany did to the Jews. This is how it starts-using the name of equality to scapegoat a community. This isn’t leadership. Seymour, you should be addressing the real issues New Zealanders are suffering from. What has the Treaty discussion achieved so far? It has led to massive protests, with half of New Zealanders taking time off work. Does that not cause financial loss to the country and add to mental stress? Give me a break, this isn’t equality; it’s triggering people because the government has nothing better to do.
You will not have foreign investment if you a co governance model where a business has to deal with an additional party who have power to derail a venture
So all the great maori all blacks, opera singers, artists,musicians, professionals, business people, sports people and even politicians only achieved because of the treaty of Waitangi giving them some sort of advantage over other New Zealanders. No David we compete with the best in the world and work hard. My British ancestor fell in love with my beautiful maori ancestor and like a number of early intermarriages they fought on the side of their maori families. The result was we signed a treaty to restore peace. We are proud of that history. The negotiations between tribal runanga and government can benefit our country by their support with new social, welfare and economic programmes. We already stand together as a nation, intermarried and building a future for all of our children.
The treaty is out of date now. New Zealand has more Indians than maori in 2024 and Chinese etc growing faster than any ethnicity!!! All the while there are still people laughably going on about the nation being bi cultural!! This is so quaint
Good for who? Our ancestors who are buried on our lands that you people want to dig up! For greed to sell land and their assets that doesn't belong to you, isn't that classed as stealing? where do you propose Maori go and bury their loved ones? On your doorstep maybe,? Dismantle is undoing something that should not be undone!
The left and mori party need to stop the division..all are equal...now if you see any Maori in the university or ceo in a good job people think was giving even do the person got the job for his own Mery...well done left people . Creating Creating
If, as David said, the "principles" are still going to exist, then his Bill is even more important to Equality under the law. Also, if Labour et el get back into power, they can reverse principles easily, but not a law or, more importantly, a referendum on this Bill of Davids.
When your bill fails, will you leave the coalition, force a General Election, become Government, then pass your bill? Is that an option you are considering?
im in i cant wait to get the same rights as Maori . i say burn that old '' Treaty '' And let all start again . this conversation has been too long time in the coming. time to balance out the serious flaws in NZers partnership were some get way more than others , whys that ? coz they been here longer and where delt a cruel blow. time for those lost souls the delusional ones some would have seen wondering the streets the other day on there path to welly to have a grizzle. Time for them maori to stop looking back , if you keep looking backwards youll end up tripping over your backwards looking self. Time to share Maori we all here now lots of us multi cultural bunch we are. Treatys old school we need proper contract with everybody included dont you agree. this topic aint going away anytime soon its got momentum . im loving it time for my customary permit for my feast , paua and kina yum yum yum . customary permits should be toilet paper becauce they all shit and selfish take take take . the meaning of ''IWI' :: I WANT IT by the look of the crowd wollowing around welly and the bias reporting by TV ONE . JENNY MAY she all for the bill by look on her face when she spoke with David Seymour . One law for all . ye ha. im hundred and fifty percent in on this beautiful bill. go David and his faithfull crew good on your brave souls. youll go down in history with this balancing act.
I say don't talk smack, go march to Waitangi and spread your grievances there! Or are you scared? Of the truth! Even better, head into communitys and see how things a run by Iwi, it's those Iwi that you run down, the ones that welcome people when they visit the cape or any areas they manage! Your topic might not be going away! Nor is Maori rights! Do you plan to dig up cemetery's on Maori land to feel justified of your say? Let's see how far that gets! We are not going away! I'm glad the king's counsel lawyers are involved, to stop and lock up thieves stealing what's not theirs to steal!
If you want your own contract! Go make your own! Dont try take our treaty to rip up! You have no say over the treaty! It's called human rights and it's now been breached with this bill! Good luck taking Maori on!
@@deborahbrown1270 whats a " customary rights ?" its a right maori have bestowed upon themselves for there own greed, its that simple its comical. nobody stopping maori from missing out on anything , the bill actually includes Maori just like the majority of NZers . The treaty was interpreted by a maori for the lambs to follow to slaughter . its like ''The Police complaints authority " who investigate there own complaints its totally flawed and completely bias. the treaty thingy is suppose to be a partnership its now turned in to a " sugar daddy state " nobody denying there were wrongs in the past , but like everybody else in this world we move on , look towards the future stop looking back all the time . this whole treaty things just like "Peter and the Wolf " the majority aint listening , we have heard it all before. basically we all fucking sick of the treaty . sadly we have a minority whom hell bent on putting a wedge in the middle. how long do we have to hang around this country we own before we get '' customary rights" time to burn it start on a new page . a page we all have a say. one law for all sweet pea.
Very interesting and informative. Thank you Michael and David. Why do we never mention the competing narratives of who is actually tangata whenua here in New Zealand. You know - Monica Matamua - Waitaha etc. Is this just too hard and complex and everyone is tired of it or something. I feel we won't make any progress until that issue is settled once for all.
I’ve got the answer, all identify as Maori, even when legal immigration has a process so when you get a passport you also swear in as identifying as Maori now. We are all Maori, sweet
If you agree with te Pati Maori, then you agree that current legal position is that there is two type of citizenry. I love my culture, and for the entirety of our people (the general New Zealand) it’s not ok to have two types of citizenry. I want equality; I don’t want equity. There is a solve here, and I’m willing to share. But I don’t want the flaming or shitposting; I want honest, transparent, and ethical dialogue. And I don’t t think this is occurring. Ggs David, and thanks Michael for having this conversation.
Māori are overepresented in many of the statistics in this country, to name a few..., health statistics, poverty, incarceration, children in care..Now... have you heard or listened to any of the apologies that the government has made to Māori.. Pacific Islanders.. (Dawn raids).. well I suggest you go look them up and come back and tell me what they apologised for... wait I'll tell you... mistreatment... harm, hurting, killing, land confiscating, that's what they did and that's what they apologised for .. now you mean to tell me Māori are all of a sudden supposed to trust this? Where will your "equality" get us??? More of that???
@@ravenkama6922 this is the whole point, IF it is passed, there will be Equality....if you feel this treatment is still going on, EQUAL RIGHTS is beneficial to that situation!!!! However, I would argue that for the most part equality is nearly here, in this day and age. However, what are Maori leaders and elders doing to reduce health issues with Health problems (Smoking and poor diet levels remain high), child mortality, and education/truancy? Maoris are overrepresented in all these areas, and there is very little public noise coming from Maori leaders to address this. It all seems to be political noise instead of looking inward and actually helping. I think making everyone equal per Davids bill can only be of benefit to Maori. Anyway, I wish you well, whatever race you are or identify with. Have a great weekend.
@@marksvideochannel3592actually, the fact that the treaty principles are now incorporated into Healthcare is helping to address some of these issues. For example... the incorporation of kaupapa Māori approaches to addressing health issues that māori face makes more sense than an "equal" approach where māori are often marginalised, and experience racism in these settings is a directly impacts the health of māori.and if Seymour had his way... all fo that progress would be out the window..
I understand. They did some nasty shit to me and my family. But the way this is tracking, is victimhood, ad infinitum. Unbecoming for a race of warriors. The harsh reality is poor decision making. We have an oppurtunity here that shouldn’t be squandered. I am a proud Maori man with exceptional capabilities; I know my Maori brothers and sister share the same qualities. Let’s flex our ability by showing that we are capable of being precisely what our tipuna want us to be; which is leaders. But this is not the way. To show that we are better, let’s be equal in the eyes of government/legal, and show why they need us. We are the kaitiaki of this land. I want nothing in return but the prosperity of our people, and the longevity of our whenua.
@@MaoriNinjaNot vicitmhood, just pointing out why māori have little reason to trust the government, because of what they have done in the past. The way Seymour is talking, he sincerely believes ethnicity is purely an illusion, that there no such thing as ethnicity... and in his words, if you believe otherwise, you're toxic... it's madness that people actually support his crazy delusions of reality..
ah well done. cant believe luxon and shane cant get with he program. isnt it funny when a politician asks for something not quite along with everyone else they get slanted. trumps in a similar boat. most of these zombies cant see the wood for the trees.
Able to make submissions... What does that mean? Is there going to be a referendum or vote on this by the NZ public? Please excuse my lack of knowledge on this process.
Now that the treaty is up for discussion. It would be good if the treaty in Māori and English is made transparent on what it says and means not just sentences picked out from it and whether it's been honoured over the years in it's full entirety and who it did and did not benefit in order to further the discussion. Most people don't know. It was taught in schools once upon a time and there was no bickering and fighting then. Working together and not against each other is the only way to resolving anything. It's been done many times in the past so it can be done again. Peace 🙂
The British was governing NZ on the basis of the English version of the treaty. The Maori version was translated from the English version. Thus we should just use the English version to avoid confusion.
@stanleywang8524 The British don't govern the country anymore and haven't for a long time, New Zealanders do. It's up to the people to decide whar they want and the governing bodies to serve the people. That is how democracy supposedly works
@@Christina1Love I agree with you totally. However, things can get lost in translation as it's not always easy (or even possible) to find equivalent words in another language. We need to agree on using just one version of the treaty and the English version is the correct choice in my view.
@stanleywang8524 I hear what you're saying. It still needs to be up for discussion before decisions are made imo. Be a good learning curve for everyone.
5 million maori😂 it's a waste of time as the treaty has now been breached! Some people will be done for treason, legal action is already proceeding. Govt already been warned by the king's counsel lawyers of heir breach to the treaty . Its already been said! This bill will be squashed like a fly. Don't keep up your hopes up. Treason, stealing assets and land is a serious charge
The other option is to reject the treaty as a constitutional document altogether. It never began to be thought of as such until the radical movement of the 1970s/ 80s. Or is a politics that is not treaty-centric no longer possible??
Maori agreed in 1840, that the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of all components of the land, except under excessive governments choose to ignore the land part hence the Maori Land Wars in the 1860's.
@@chrismckellar9350 The treaty also stated that the chiefs were able to sell surplus land to the Crown, but only to the Crown. The main factor of the NZ wars was the rise of the Kingite movement that rejected British sovereignty. The wars enforced British now Parliamentary sovereignty over the country.
give it up seymour you are losing your grip on your principles.. there is sympathy for the treaty not just maori but many others and not left wing only..
Beg to differ. Everyone I know in my workplace ,of every ethnicity love Seymour!! That includes people of maori descent. I sense a sea change coming and the duopoly labour/national coming to an end
Defining anything using Roman Temple Court to articulate it, is a ruse for creating definitions that can later be amortised. Maori are right to complain butin this instance they are not complaining for the right reasons. Pakeha should wake up to a window for their natural rights is being closed under the ruse of a securing our future. The future being secured here is neither Maori or pakeha. Blue blood elite on the other hand?
Understanding our past to heal our future… Imagine if … You inherited your grandparents farm and another person (let’s call him the other fella -TOF) offered to help protect your farm and work with you for the well being of your farm and family. You think this is an ok idea because some of TOFs weren’t respecting your farm so this might be a good resolution… And like your grandparents you want to pass your farm on to your children/grandchildren... (Just quietly there was a bit of pressure T.O.F turned up in a warship bringing with him lots of TOF and guns). T.O.F hands you a contract in his language. You didn’t understand those terms so a Christian missionary (We’ll call him the God fella-GF) translates the contract into your language and rewrites parts to reflect your agreed terms - you sign that version. All seems well, you smile at your little patch in the sun, until you see T.O.F, and his mates, supplant your flag with their flag. And even have the cheek to erect some offices claiming they now own your farm. You tell them, nicely at first, to get! Even though their numbers far outnumber you. TOF ‘Point to the contract written in their language, with cocked guns in their hands declare “you said we could”. You realise that you had been tricked. The G.Fs at the time, being the supposed peacemakers, try to make things right but dont have any clout. So, some join in with TOF - others with you. You also realise they not only took over your farm but set up a new government meaning they could take all the farms of your cuzzy bros (CB) - even though you were once enemies you unite in the cause against TOF for your farms back. Many of those CB didn’t even see/sign the contract to allow TOF to take their farms but was achieved through the introduction of land grabbing policies and military actions. Anyway … You want your farm back. You die. Your children take on that fight. They die. Generations pass and die fighting for what they know is right and legally theirs. TOF rule the land, for nearly 200 years. rule They own the media, and control the narrative. At certain time periods they throw you enough crumbs to keep you and the CBs quiet enough. But in 2024 times have changed. Social media has become a powerful tool to disrupt the dominant narrative and for the CBs to organise themselves. They take those crumbs and like a phoenix rising from the embers of the fire ascend onto to parliament grounds with the great crowd of witnesses cheering them on as first born sons and daughters to the lands - “we will not be wiped out of legislation at the stroke of a pen!” The CBs can’t get back their farms but the CBs will fight for their cultural inheritance as first born sons and daughters of Aotearoa-New Zealand - Niu Terini whatever you want to call her. The CB are no longer going to be told what is right. They know- God knows, some of TOFs, and GFs know. The land is crying out for justice, Like a women ready to give birth. So my question is What kind of baby are we birthing? One that acknowledges the past and want to be part of justice- healing our nation in unity? And honour? By Protecting our language and cultural heritage in legislation? OR a generation that wants to live in denial and disdain towards the CBs? Yes all kiwis belong to our nation but Aotearoa- New Zealand is the only homelands of the Māori peoples. Hobsons pledged ‘He iwi tahi tatou’ - While mainstream NZ would like us to believe this statement to mean ‘we are one people and we are now all TOF… The CBs intended that saying to mean ‘together we make a nation’ We have time to reconcile our differences - the CBs, TOFs, the GFs, and TOOF, for a better NZ for all. Together we make a nation. 🤍🙏🏽🥰
So, there are quite a few Laws that will be exempt from the review into "The Principles of the Treaty". In other words more "feeding ground" for Lawyers and courts to go on interpreting the Meaning of the Principles.............Not really good enough is it??????????
Why were bills passed under urgency? No time for consultation . But this bills that has not support except 11 MPs is getting six months of select committee time? (Selective democracy). Also another Overton Window action by government
My opinion, NZ has high income tax and tax in general, knowing some of that money taken from me is given to someone else for free because their ansestors were here first.. well ive got something else they can have for free too 🖕😂
Come dig my mother up on Maori land and all her ancestors, if you want to feel entitled, equal rights, you dig up my mother, we should be entitled to dig up yours! Equal rights aye! I think that's fair enough! Stealing land never ends good in court!
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Throughout this matter Luxon has shown what a weak and ineffectual leader he is
100% - Ineffectual and damn near invisible. I'm glad I didn't vote for him, what a let down!
Luxative has always been a Weftist puppet, fully controlled, just as JabsInYa was.
@@marksvideochannel3592 I agree. Luxon think ToW is the basis of some sort of partnership which is just wrong. The British Empire was not in the business of forming partnerships when colonizing the various parts of the world in the 19th century. It was conquer and rule.
Very true
Lux-dern is a closet activist for Maori elites
David Seymour's insights on the Treaty Principles Bill protest are spot on! It's great to see such open dialogue around important issues. Thought-provoking and timely discussion-thank you for sharing your perspective!
Tino Rangatiratanga was a obvious reality in 1840 when 99 percent of the population was native and tribalised. That situation has been completely changed by 184 years of intermarriage and inter-tribal mixing. In today's world TR is a practical nonsense.
That's very ignorant because TR is now practical nonsense then so is the haka which seems to have survived the obvious reality in 1840 😉
@@MauriOra-c4c ..tell me how TR would work in practice then..
By simply letting a unique culture thrive in their own homelands. We as pakeha or foreigners should feel proud to work alongside them.
This culture is one of a kind in the world, and I’m happy of how far they’ve come and will support them all the way
@@shamsheed1726 , oh dear, another brainwashed twit..
TR in the Maori text of the Treaty means the "full possession" of the English official text. Full possession rights means full ownership rights. I realise that other people interpret TR to mean "Maori sovereignty" but I believe that in the Treaty TR is saying that Maori and all the people of New Zealand have property rights.
Most Hikoi supporters could not articulate their issues with the bill. Some didn't even know what the bill content was.
Just the usual rhetoric coming from TMP
I was at the Hikoi and have a strong understanding of the Bill 🙄
@@solo_0001 GREAT, so please explain why you disagree with "the same treatment for anyone and not by race"...please. We are all open to a good reason why this is a bad idea but as David said here, no one yet has.
Yeah, when interviewed those that were, as we have seen , couldn’t say what they actually found wrong with the bills proposals, except to say to honour the (colonists) treaty, and condemning colonists but forgetting they themselves are of colonists blood. lol. Others said they were there simply to support others that were there and hadn’t read the bill at all, but felt strongly against it. So really goes to show the media beat up for TPM and did their job for them.
@marksvideochannel3592 grabbing some popcorn... I'm looking forward to hearing a response
@ It comes back to the agreement of the treaty and tbh my own and family’s experience with this “Privilege” everybody who’s not Māori is telling me we get. The Bill implies that the treaty has been UPHELD this whole time when successive GOVT have clarified a long time ago the land reforms at the end of the 18th century and systemic racism of Māori stemming well into the 19th century was Severely mis handled. This has come along way though and I respect where NZ and it’s people have gotten to but this is in part the reason for all the “handouts”. Im not against equality but myself and alot of Māori that I’m related to and know Don’t understand all this privilege that we get, I have to wait at A&E for 4hrs like everyone else, all people from NZ are entitled to the benefit not just Māori, I was decent at sport but there weren’t no Māori scholarships for anybody I knew, is there a small percentage of Māori that are getting all this while the rest of us just live like everyone else? So in part I was at the Hikoi because I felt as though there trying to take away something we don’t even get.
Perhaps the rest of the country should march
We can't, we're working. The rest of us, the other 99.2% of us, are either employed or senior and the rest of the students are at school and other and don't agree with the 0.8%. How many of the protesters fall into those categories.
Your too gutless!
With the party of Pedo's ??
That would be racist… 😉
@@mitchelldenysschen3224😂😂
fantastic explanation David , treating everyone the same regardless of race is a fundamental and essential concept for a progressive NZ . Well done
Made alot of noise happen David, why couldn't you make same noise during lockdown, and vaccine roll-out? Complete crickets!
What rights do Māori have that we don’t? Rights to their indigenous Land? Doesn’t seem like we’re missing out on much😂
@@yobronicoco4496Naming a few, seats on the council or in government without having to be voted in, preferential treatment in medical care, tax paid TV channels without having to finance itself, funding from government for their projects
The land the power stations, railways, rds, etc, are built on land taken.under the Public works act, Maori werent allowed to vote for 13 years when govt was established, Maori getting priority is some cases regarding health care is because, for many years, people the same color as you got everything, not you privledged fools are upset, get out of our country you don't belong here racist colonisers @@colindigitaljames6619
It is already in the Treaty if you bother to read it. Maori agreed to the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of the all components of the land.
Weather we vote on the bill or not the general election will rate parties on their handling of this. Equality in law is not negotiable in any modern society.
Equality in law is already in place. Not a single person in that march could tell you a single "Right" that they stand to lose.
A tiny percentage of Bureaucrats are afraid to lose the tiny amount of relevance they have managed to gift for themselves, and they've used a race hustle to conjure up a rent-a-crowd
Can you explain how there is not equality? Genuine question
@@morbidclashI think it's a typo, I think the writer meant non, non negotiable. The predict txt often changes words.
@@morbidclashSeparate electoral roll for Maori, why do you have a separate vote based on race, you should be voting for those people through the same electoral roll as everyone else. Maori health care organization that has pushed everyone else behind on the waiting list in favor of Maori, I understand that Maori have worse immunity but it doesn't mean other people don't have medical problems as well. Lower pass rates for Maori in medical school, why does past discrimination towards Maori mean you get it easier through school. Maori automatically gets seats in parliament, it was needed at the time it was implemented to prevent Maori from being pushed under the rug but it's not like that anymore Maori are far more widely accepted.
All Te Pati Maori have achieved over the last week is total ridicule in the eyes of the world.
Committed Treason, and the Government turns a blind eye. 😂
@@NA-sj9jy What do you expect from Luxflakes?
@@jasperhorace7147- hahaha I call him Luxative 😂
Stay brave David. I will support you 100%
you and the other 7% of the population
I agree
Exactly
Dave nomore
@LanceHaenga cry a river
Keep going David,we need this conversation.
Ooh david keep goin david. Push push push
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David Seymour for future Prime Minister
He would be a tough austerity Pm.
Fk that
One of the few common sense mp's we have ever had in this country, go David, an ever increasing amount of kiwis are behind you.
David Seymour Is Very Brave and I support him 100%
Why, what is it you support, what is it he is actually trying to do. The treaty works well for all New Zealanders , have you had any problems that have affected you? Even with this treaty there is still have inequality for Māori in so many ways in this country.
@@bernardwinkels7117 so did you actually listen to what he had to say? if not why are you here
@bernardwinkels7117 are you confusing inequality for lack of ability that a small percentage of some maori possess to make the most of the many many opportunities given that the rest of the country can.
maori/ non maori inclusive.
Why is David brave? He like the Maori Party are pleasing their supporters and wasting tax payer money that was agreed to in 1840, that the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of all components of the land, except under excessive governments choose to ignore the land part hence the Maori Land Wars in the 1860's.
@@bernardwinkels7117- lol the Treaty violates NEW ZEALAND society, or country's name, our Parliament, our English language news platforms, the names of our Government departments, meetings with the waste of time prayers and foreign words...it's an abomination to OUR traditions, our heritage, our rights, our freedoms, our lifestyle and our way of life. No the Treaty doesn't help all New Zealand citizens, only one race.
Thank you David for everything you are doing on this vitally important matter.
So the vitally important matter. is costing the taxpayer unnecessary money that will be voted down by National and NZ First in the second reading eg the Bill will die.
The thing I find interesting is that in 1840 the treaty was signed between the crown (being the British Empire) and Maori - but later the British Empire dissolved, and it was replaced by the NZ government. And the NZ government is there to represent us, as we elected them. So it makes sense that any changes to the way NZ operates has to be mandated by the people, and that the people be given a chance to make a submission.
Except that we have still not become a republic. We are still a dominion with the Crown as head of state. Which means the Crown still rules NZ and the Maori chiefs still have a Treaty with the Crown.
So it does not matter if the Empire dissolved because the Treaty is with the Crown. And the Crown still rules NZ unless we become a republic.
@@ashdoginc Then you have nothing and decolonisation which sounds scary
@@davexb6595 If we become a republic does the treaty automatically attach itself to us? Would it not be better to have a referendum...1. Dump the treaty 2. Become a republic 3. Dump treaty stay in commonwealth
If the nation was asked these 3 questions we would get a fair result of what the majority of the nation wants in moving forward.
@@valeriehughes1008- the treaty dissolves when we become a republic. We start over with our own laws, judicial system. It won't be Maorified, it would be NEW Zealandfied...for everyone as a collective, not just one race.
@@NA-sj9jy Sounds like fraud
David and the Act party are the only ones who have the fortitude and where with all to ask the hard questions.
Many or previous governments have looked at this question and shied away from it and just kicked the can down the road.
We have Luxon totally scared of upsetting Maori, and in the process showing himself up to be a very weak and political immature leader which he is.
New Zealand has to address this racial problem and do it now, because it is not going away, just because Luxon wants it to.
I don't know why is it so difficult to read and understand the bill is all about equality.
I have read what NZ First has got prepared regarding the Treaty principles and in my opinion I like ACT proposal better. I love Maoris and I acknowledge they got to New Zealand first before anyone else I get that but their rights as indigenous to this land is not affected by this bill. they will be treated like everyone else who lives legally in NZ and consider this great country as their home
Maori agreed in 1840, agreed that the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of all components of the land, except under excessive governments choose to ignore the land part hence the Maori Land Wars in the 1860's.
NZ First Aotearoa Tuatahi 💯 I'm all for the Treaty as our National Document. He Tapu te Tiriti heoi the unessesary attention and political stunt making has completely hood winked the public. NZ First and PM Luxton have said it time and time again they won't support it passed reading 2. Its time to move forward in unity 🤝 and aroha. The hikoi was a strategy to also encourage more ppl to switch to Maori roll. I'm ex Kohanga now a PHD researcher and all this carry on is really more a hoha. The MMP electorate system was actually formed under a National Act and Maori Party alliance at the time Te Ururoa Flavel was the Leader of old Maori Party. This New activist don't know they are to focused on presenting a new interpretation of the Treaty which Labour or the Greens would endorse.
@@chrismckellar9350 that is the English version, the Māori version says that Māori will have tino rangatira tanga, sovereignty and independence over their own people and their land. You really think Māori would let 2 men in a boat take over the land and have sovereignty over them? No, ofc they wouldn’t😂
Bro u really think the brits couldnt have slain them all in 2 seconds ? The M's would have been decimated easily lol gg ez@yobronicoco4496
@@yobronicoco4496 Were you there?
Best politician in NZ Go David!
..I used to vote National, next time Act..
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Him and Winnie
Great work David. Love your courage and resolve.
Why is David courageous? He like the Maroi Party are pleasing their supporters and wasting tax payer money that was agreed to in 1840, that the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of all components of the land, except under excessive governments choose to ignore the land part hence the Maori Land Wars in the 1860's.
Keep going David, future PM.
No way, he’ll turn NZ into mini China
No way - NZ is not as stupid as America and won’t fall for a Mini Trump😂
😂 true@@badchefi
Keep going David. The vast majority of NZers appreciate and value your Bill. Let democracy speak.
If 46% who support the bill in the last poll is not a vast majority of NZer's.
@@chrismckellar9350- aaaaand your point is? Because 20% of Maori make up the entire population, and only 3% of them voted for TPM.
@@NA-sj9jy - 26% opposed the bill and remaining 28% weren't sure.
David is completely right. I hope he is PM one day.
I will second that .
David and you lot don't belong here amongst real new Zealanders
Considering David is a true New Zealand you can go cry a river racist Apathied pusher
So does he!!
@@accessdenied1able I have a passport that says I belong here no less than anyone else
Don't agree with a lot of Seymour's ideas, but at the moment he is the champion of rational debate and discussion in this country. Support or oppose his Bill but do it with reason and logic , backed up by facts. The problem is, not many people are willing to do that.
Yes those who oppose it have no argument to make, instead they throw insults.
Always remember the" crown" when it comes to treaty payouts is the NZ taxpayer not the british monarchy
@@jemma_19988 wrong
Oh but it's nothing to do with us lol just enact Magna Carta and you don't need to pay taxes and fines many have done it, no-one talks about that Treaty anymore but it still works
@StGammon77 is coming from someone who is not Maori.
@@tuftoughunderfatigue5978
No way British Royals are paying for it. Obviously coming from taxes on NZers who work.
Yep I strongly support David Seymour's bill! Used to support addressing grievances through TOW tribunal but it appears to have become a grievance industry and vehicle for apartheid. I dont know what the treat means anymore and I see the Maori parti as a bunch of racists.
I totally agree. And I think what David has done even if this bill goes nowhere, it has opened the discussions. Exposed TPM and shows that the rest of new zealand wants a say in the future. Not to return to the stone age.
Wait till you hear Winston's bill, coming as he exits deputy prime Minister seat, and David takes over. Maori will wish David's went thru...
Check his full coalition agreement😂😂 wait and see the war dances then.
Radicals whether left or right are totally annoying
But its a perspective thing
One side says they should rule and the other says the same
Where is the middle ground to bring us together?
@michaelferguson651 sadly, as David said, certain Acts, 3 I thinks he named will not be touched, so as he said the "principles" will still exist. Also as they are being changed now, Labour/TPM can reverse them just as quick. So Davids Bill and/or referendum.is paramount
@@LaurineCurrin- then labor and TPM can be arrested for Treason then.
Generation after generation are told because you're born into a certain culture it will define who you become . When it should be taught it doesn't matter what race or culture you are , it's the decisions you make in life that determine where you'll end up
In 1907 NZ became a Dominion by Royal Proclamation... at the time the discussions were what our citizens were to be known as... Australia were called Australians, Canada, Canadians...it was decided all those born outside the colony were to be known as Colonials... those born in NZ were to be known as New Zealanders... further broken down by New Zealander of Maori descent.... New Zealander of European decent etc. We have always been called something and that is New Zealanders..
I agree. Also, cultural identity is an individual choice. That choice us largely influenced by one's life experience. For example, most Singaporean have Chinese ancestry but because Singapore used to be part of Malaysia, they are also very much influenced by the Malay culture.
This is because the world and the system of the world wants ONE culture. There are many cultures in the world and people need to think for themselves instead they are told what culture should be and follow like little lambs.
who do maori become? according to you lot, uneducated criminals so why the fomo?
Calm collected and coherent. I'm starting to like this guy.
Delusional
@@ALBYNHK1each to there own.
I agree he has bn cool head under pressure
@@nataliesmith4778 he's suffering inside 😂 he can't stand maori. He sold his whakapapa to the highest bidder.
The supporters of the act are the silent majority
Thanks for trying to move nz in the right direction.
........... NZ IN IN CHAOS BECAUSE TREATY DISCUSSION ............ WHICH DIRECTION ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
@zrm1134 New Zealanders want to see this crap put to bed, one country, one people. Seems amazing it has to be spelled out to people in 2024.
@@MountainRarker next , ban the maoris party
@@MountainRarker maoris don’t want to work , they want to grift , that’s why they will oppose this bill , personal responsibility is alien to them
@@5150showwell they sure dont want to sell there bodies like you do 😂
I am a royalist but I would go republic to end the Treaty. We could still belong in the Commonwealth and have a new constitution for equality for ALL.
Things aren’t equal though are they , Māori are still dealing with inequality right now , do your homework.
I agree with you but lots of Māori think the Treaty helps to preserve their culture. Given that is the case , it is hard to end the Treaty in the near future.
Agreed. The crown doesn't represent me or any other NZer.
@@bernardwinkels7117 Lots of Māori serving in parliament and doing well in many work places so the opportunities are there for any one who works hard and has the ability to be a good member of society. What ever your ethnicity all Kiwis are blessed to live in this land compared to many other places in this world. Take advantage of a bright future ahead if you want it, do your best and enjoy it, all working together is the only way forward.
Your welcome to come and dig my mum up off her maori land, to sell off, equality dose not equal to equity. Not to mention the family's hurting through this bill! It will be a civil war! We should have the same equal rights to dig your ancestors up and disrespect family's grieving their loved ones! Move them from a place that's been home to them for many of centuries! Yes Maori are hurting! This is not the way forward!
Carrying the treaty into our future is like dragging dated clumsy baggage through a multicultural airport
Interesting that you see New Zealand history as dated and clumsy baggage, I suppose you too are a bit dated and clumsy. 😂
I think it’s fantastic that both David and Winston are both Maori and are both trying to bring equality to all kiwis ! Go David ! I sincerely hope you become PM on day !
And they both belong to human race.
So what else is David doing??? He is wasting time on this issue, why don't he start getting things across that will pass the first reading and start helping NZ. He only ever talks about this, not how he is going to solve people struggling out there. He needs to get a grip and stop playing politics is all i am saying.
@ He is talking about the Elephant in the room. Take your rose-tinted glasses off.
@@Tokolosh-v5n The Elephant in the room is this" National will not support this Bill now the first reading has been done so move on" simple aye, wasted time and energy really when other pressing matters can be dealt with.
He is the most logical, fair and reliable politician person I could listen to.
The hoiki is such a shame.
Hikoi was worthy, legal protest. You obviously can’t hear the Māori perspective. That’s a shame but not new. Many like you have no interest in what Māori are saying. That’s a shame.
Ban the cheaty
No NZ Flags at the Hikoi, apparently destroyed when they were flown. what does that say about those participating in the Hikoi?
Apparently you weren't there and are just being a gossip
He wasnt there obviously
Do you know how stupid you are looking for posting silly statements that never happened.
Treason against the New Zealand government...is what that means.
But there were Palestine flags for those on that cause...
I support what David Seymour is saying about this bill. Keep it up
David is like the Maori Party pleasing their supporters and wasting tax payer money that was agreed to in 1840, that the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of all components of the land, except under excessive governments choose to ignore the land part hence the Maori Land Wars in the 1860's.
Why does no one talk about the 1835 genocide that almost wiped out a whole culture? Maoris ate the Morioris. Stole there land. Slaved them .
You need to look into that part of history further before posting misinformation about the Moriori
@@solo_0001
"This relative peace was shattered in 1835 when Māori of the Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama tribes, both from Taranaki, arrived in the Chatham Islands in search of new territories and resources.
Moriori under attack
Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama immediately began killing and enslaving the Moriori people. Although Moriori outnumbered them almost two to one, they chose to obey Nunuku’s Law and did not fight back. Approximately 300 were killed, and the rest were enslaved. The tribe was in danger of being destroyed completely. Following several Moriori petitions, the New Zealand government finally stepped in after 28 years. However, a land court in 1870 decided to give most of the Chatham Islands to Ngāti Tama and Ngāti Mutunga, despite the fact that most Māori had by this time returned to their homes in Taranaki."
Te Ara Encyclopedia of New Zealand
what about the 200,000 skeletons found in caves in 1850's near auckland and found years letter through D.N.A. too be a White race/ breed.- "?????
Clown , get your facts right , stop spouting bullshit propaganda.
They were the real indegenous, we're they not. They were eaten. I saw a doco recently
You can sense a big seachange coming!!! As a factory worker I always voted labour but silly co governance focus switched me to national now mr potato head's ineffectual leadership has pushed me to act
I've got a lot of admiration for David. Unlike most politicians he works hard to stay polite and actually answers questions, generally burning those who ask the most idiotic ones. And wow do our biased media ask a lot of idiotic and entrapping questions. Wish we had more politicians like him and far less of the word salad, redirect, refuting or calling everything racist ones.
The PM can ban patches from one end of NZ to the other, but he cannot stop an 18 year old from Waikato CLOSING DOWN PARLIAMENT FFS🤣😂
Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast from the Cook Islands during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by later waves of Polynesians (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Polynesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced groups arriving from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated to the North East Coast of NZ driven by the South Equatorial Current and were stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life including 10 species of Moa and 46 other bird species, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner
Wow did Enid Blyton write that story.i never heard it at school
David you are you doing the right thing. The Maori people are not New Zealand’s native people. This has been proven so often. Why do we keep saying they are. They can not find work because they are not looking. As they don’t have to. They end up equal with people that have worked every day of their lives. This is not fair or right.
Maori are native get over it
@@PlucktocksEvery single person in this country is native to somewhere... And it's NOT NZ. The only thing native to this country is the land and ocean around it. Get out from that web of lies!
@@rldrld7747 nah just maori 🤣
@@rldrld7747 go on you chump.
Maori are the first settlers to NZ. Maori as first settlers agreed to in 1840, that the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of all components of the land, except under excessive governments choose to ignore the land part hence the Maori Land Wars in the 1860's.
Te Apartied Maori party. They are unbeliveable. The amount of people who were interviewd in parliament grounds, on what they didnt like about the bill, clearly had no idea about the bill or the treaty to be fair. Looked like uneducated idiots to be fair.
What a load of rubbish, they are all real new Zealanders,..which is more then I can say about you overstayers
There should be no race based political party in NZ which just promotes racial division.
Not another stupid comment. Maori experienced apartheid in the 1900s in Pukekohe. Looks like you've written an uneducated comment to be fair.
And a majority unemployed too to be fair
@@meditrahn Poor Poor Victim, Cry Victim for me
Let's take a New Zealander alive today, who happens to be highly wealthy and successful and who's ancestry is 50% Chinese, 25% European and 25% Maori.
Which side of the Treaty is this person on exactly? Oppressed, oppressor or neither?
Is it right and fair that this person and their kids are currently entitled to claim special privileges and entitlements over the rest of us? e.g. race based scholarships, easier access to Uni courses, preferential and discounted access to public medical services, unelected seats on local government, seperate voting rights, dedicated seats in parliament, etc.
Or should all of us as New Zealanders be entitled to the same equal set of rights and responsibilities instead?
Would it be so bad if government spending, policy and laws were directed based on need, not on ancestry or self identified race? If we took this approach, then wouldn't groups most in need still get most of the help anyway, just without being racist about it?
I agree with you totally. Also verifying whether someone has Maori ancestry will become harder say 10 years from now. Current approach is not only unfair but also unsustainable. We need to see there will be problems ahead so we should fix this now.
David Seymour has shown true strength, courage and leadership to stand up to what he (and many other NZders ) believes is fair and right.
Keep up you brave courage David, you are the voice of reason! Thank you so much!
Why is David the voice of reason? He like the Maroi Party are pleasing their supporters and wasting tax payer money that was agreed to in 1840, that the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of all components of the land, except under excessive governments choose to ignore the land part hence the Maori Land Wars in the 1860's.
Obviously the opposition to the Act Bill is motivated principally by fear, and fear can have multiple causes. Seymour is doing a good job in alleviating some of that. I suspect the intensity of fear will diminish fairly quickly. Seymour might find someone to steel-man the opposition argument, as this might add context and realism which is often easier to deal with, than the "Sky is falling" arguments, which are commonly repeated.
The accusation the Seymour is "rewriting the Treaty" is pure projection. That is what they have been doing for 50 years.
I am still undecided as whether the bill as written is better or worse than the "no principles" argument. I like the Act Bill in part because I am a lifetime republican, and think the Bill solves some problems in that area. I am already sure delay in the hope of unity would be a mistake. Support is building.
I would say David's bill is better. NZF's proposal still leave some pieces of legislation referring to the principles of ToW. Thus those laws are still open to future court interpretation.
The final English draft is the one we should be following, not the James Freeman rogue treaty, anyway equal rights for ALL Not superior rights for some, you don't agree with that?
Imagine the in fighting if Maori had their own parliament.
That would be soooooo funny
Could someone get former Act party president Tim Jago his views on this. Is he able to do interviews where he is currently at? Or is ACT trying to get that swept under the carpet as well
One strong brave man
Great interview im going to have to check out your book now. Good stuff
David for president of NZ 😊
Chancellor
President 😂 It's Prime minister 😂 he's to unfit to run a country, if your fit, people won't be protesting
A Citizens Initiated Referendum will sort it out
Let's make it happen
Most citizens are morons
why can we not have discussions like this in parliament, calm, fact based and logical, not one interupting each other, no one disrespecting the other. Time for Gerry Brownlee to get his house in order
There is a hikoi of 130,000 people marching out of this country each year. In the year ending July 2024, 133,600 people left New Zealand, which is the highest number on record for an annual period
Low wage migrants have stunted wage growth and kept cost of living high. Why live here when even ANZ runs ads showing migrants over locals?
The tax payers should tax to the street and protest on how our tax money is spent,and that includes councils
Thomas Piketty’s book identifies that neoliberal has failed.
one of the few people talking sense joined ACT this week we need unbiased media in this country
Ww3 arrives who cares about a treaty
I hear so much emotion from the Māori side and rationale from the other side. There seems such a perspective divide that may never be bridged. Hopefully we can at least discuss it in safe space.
Thanks, David and Michael for clarifying NZ First's position on the Treaty Principles and that of ACT NZ. If NZ First's proposal is to review the Treaty Principles only as they apply to selective legislation, then it will not achieve very much. The Treaty Principles Bill is a much better way - across the board - to limit the open-ended interpretations of the Treaty Principles by the courts and to ensure that all NZers are treated equally.
can someone please post a link to making submissions on David Seymour's bill?
Do gang members work? Other than selling drugs and not paying taxes.
Seriously, New Zealand need a Treaty bill discussion? especially when half the country is struggling with employment and other critical issues. The divide-and-rule approach is no surprise. Why are we not addressing rising youth crime? Why are we not focusing on bringing more businesses to New Zealand? Why are we not ensuring our nurses and doctors are paid well so they don’t leave for Australia, ensuring everyone has access to quality healthcare?
Why are we ignoring the issue of Christian pedophilia and child trafficking in New Zealand? Why aren’t we talking about the public sector laying off workers, which is putting immense stress on our economy as more people are forced onto welfare? It’s baffling that our leaders seem focused on division instead of solving real issues.
I’m not Māori; I’m Jewish, and I know what Nazi Germany did to the Jews. This is how it starts-using the name of equality to scapegoat a community. This isn’t leadership. Seymour, you should be addressing the real issues New Zealanders are suffering from.
What has the Treaty discussion achieved so far? It has led to massive protests, with half of New Zealanders taking time off work. Does that not cause financial loss to the country and add to mental stress? Give me a break, this isn’t equality; it’s triggering people because the government has nothing better to do.
You will not have foreign investment if you a co governance model where a business has to deal with an additional party who have power to derail a venture
Christian pedophilia is also a Jewish issue : epstein,maxwell etc. Many flee to Israel for Pete's sakes
Time to seriously go for becomming a Republic.. no 'crown' and contentious history, interpretation....
Solved, no?
So all the great maori all blacks, opera singers, artists,musicians, professionals, business people, sports people and even politicians only achieved because of the treaty of Waitangi giving them some sort of advantage over other New Zealanders. No David we compete with the best in the world and work hard. My British ancestor fell in love with my beautiful maori ancestor and like a number of early intermarriages they fought on the side of their maori families. The result was we signed a treaty to restore peace. We are proud of that history. The negotiations between tribal runanga and government can benefit our country by their support with new social, welfare and economic programmes. We already stand together as a nation, intermarried and building a future for all of our children.
The treaty is out of date now. New Zealand has more Indians than maori in 2024 and Chinese etc growing faster than any ethnicity!!! All the while there are still people laughably going on about the nation being bi cultural!! This is so quaint
Good to see the start to dismantle the treaty has been implemented
Good for who? Our ancestors who are buried on our lands that you people want to dig up! For greed to sell land and their assets that doesn't belong to you, isn't that classed as stealing? where do you propose Maori go and bury their loved ones? On your doorstep maybe,? Dismantle is undoing something that should not be undone!
The left and mori party need to stop the division..all are equal...now if you see any Maori in the university or ceo in a good job people think was giving even do the person got the job for his own Mery...well done left people . Creating Creating
The left started this division!!!! Open your eyes!! I have voted Labour all my life Post Adern never again
you have equal rights or you have some form of aparthied.
If, as David said, the "principles" are still going to exist, then his Bill is even more important to Equality under the law.
Also, if Labour et el get back into power, they can reverse principles easily, but not a law or, more importantly, a referendum on this Bill of Davids.
It has certainly drawn me closer to what's going on.
When your bill fails, will you leave the coalition, force a General Election, become Government, then pass your bill? Is that an option you are considering?
why nz media not talking about destinys church tamaki winning his case all charges dropped for COVID BREACHES
1000% and we all use the same currency system lol.
So he has said that all who marched was just a joke
Where is the link for submissions please?
im in i cant wait to get the same rights as Maori .
i say burn that old '' Treaty '' And let all start again .
this conversation has been too long time in the coming.
time to balance out the serious flaws in NZers partnership were some get way more than others ,
whys that ? coz they been here longer and where delt a cruel blow.
time for those lost souls the delusional ones some would have seen wondering the streets the other day on there path to welly to have a grizzle.
Time for them maori to stop looking back , if you keep looking backwards youll end up tripping over your backwards looking self.
Time to share Maori we all here now lots of us multi cultural bunch we are.
Treatys old school we need proper contract with everybody included dont you agree.
this topic aint going away anytime soon its got momentum .
im loving it time for my customary permit for my feast , paua and kina yum yum yum .
customary permits should be toilet paper becauce they all shit and selfish take take take .
the meaning of ''IWI' :: I WANT IT by the look of the crowd wollowing around welly and the bias reporting by TV ONE .
JENNY MAY she all for the bill by look on her face when she spoke with David Seymour .
One law for all . ye ha.
im hundred and fifty percent in on this beautiful bill.
go David and his faithfull crew good on your brave souls.
youll go down in history with this balancing act.
I say don't talk smack, go march to Waitangi and spread your grievances there! Or are you scared? Of the truth! Even better, head into communitys and see how things a run by Iwi, it's those Iwi that you run down, the ones that welcome people when they visit the cape or any areas they manage! Your topic might not be going away! Nor is Maori rights! Do you plan to dig up cemetery's on Maori land to feel justified of your say? Let's see how far that gets! We are not going away! I'm glad the king's counsel lawyers are involved, to stop and lock up thieves stealing what's not theirs to steal!
If you want your own contract! Go make your own! Dont try take our treaty to rip up! You have no say over the treaty! It's called human rights and it's now been breached with this bill! Good luck taking Maori on!
@@deborahbrown1270 whats a
" customary rights ?"
its a right maori have bestowed upon themselves for there own greed, its that simple its comical.
nobody stopping maori from missing out on anything , the bill actually includes Maori just like the majority of NZers .
The treaty was interpreted by a maori for the lambs to follow to slaughter .
its like ''The Police complaints authority " who investigate there own complaints its totally flawed and completely bias.
the treaty thingy is suppose to be a partnership its now turned in to a
" sugar daddy state "
nobody denying there were wrongs in the past ,
but like everybody else in this world we move on ,
look towards the future stop looking back all the time .
this whole treaty things just like
"Peter and the Wolf "
the majority aint listening ,
we have heard it all before.
basically we all fucking sick of the treaty .
sadly we have a minority whom hell bent on putting a wedge in the middle.
how long do we have to hang around this country we own before we get
'' customary rights"
time to burn it start on a new page .
a page we all have a say.
one law for all sweet pea.
Very interesting and informative. Thank you Michael and David. Why do we never mention the competing narratives of who is actually tangata whenua here in New Zealand. You know - Monica Matamua - Waitaha etc. Is this just too hard and complex and everyone is tired of it or something. I feel we won't make any progress until that issue is settled once for all.
I’ve got the answer, all identify as Maori, even when legal immigration has a process so when you get a passport you also swear in as identifying as Maori now. We are all Maori, sweet
If you agree with te Pati Maori, then you agree that current legal position is that there is two type of citizenry. I love my culture, and for the entirety of our people (the general New Zealand) it’s not ok to have two types of citizenry. I want equality; I don’t want equity. There is a solve here, and I’m willing to share. But I don’t want the flaming or shitposting; I want honest, transparent, and ethical dialogue. And I don’t t think this is occurring. Ggs David, and thanks Michael for having this conversation.
Māori are overepresented in many of the statistics in this country, to name a few..., health statistics, poverty, incarceration, children in care..Now... have you heard or listened to any of the apologies that the government has made to Māori.. Pacific Islanders.. (Dawn raids).. well I suggest you go look them up and come back and tell me what they apologised for... wait I'll tell you... mistreatment... harm, hurting, killing, land confiscating, that's what they did and that's what they apologised for .. now you mean to tell me Māori are all of a sudden supposed to trust this? Where will your "equality" get us??? More of that???
@@ravenkama6922 this is the whole point, IF it is passed, there will be Equality....if you feel this treatment is still going on, EQUAL RIGHTS is beneficial to that situation!!!!
However, I would argue that for the most part equality is nearly here, in this day and age.
However, what are Maori leaders and elders doing to reduce health issues with Health problems (Smoking and poor diet levels remain high), child mortality, and education/truancy?
Maoris are overrepresented in all these areas, and there is very little public noise coming from Maori leaders to address this. It all seems to be political noise instead of looking inward and actually helping.
I think making everyone equal per Davids bill can only be of benefit to Maori. Anyway, I wish you well, whatever race you are or identify with. Have a great weekend.
@@marksvideochannel3592actually, the fact that the treaty principles are now incorporated into Healthcare is helping to address some of these issues. For example... the incorporation of kaupapa Māori approaches to addressing health issues that māori face makes more sense than an "equal" approach where māori are often marginalised, and experience racism in these settings is a directly impacts the health of māori.and if Seymour had his way... all fo that progress would be out the window..
I understand. They did some nasty shit to me and my family. But the way this is tracking, is victimhood, ad infinitum. Unbecoming for a race of warriors. The harsh reality is poor decision making. We have an oppurtunity here that shouldn’t be squandered. I am a proud Maori man with exceptional capabilities; I know my Maori brothers and sister share the same qualities. Let’s flex our ability by showing that we are capable of being precisely what our tipuna want us to be; which is leaders. But this is not the way. To show that we are better, let’s be equal in the eyes of government/legal, and show why they need us. We are the kaitiaki of this land. I want nothing in return but the prosperity of our people, and the longevity of our whenua.
@@MaoriNinjaNot vicitmhood, just pointing out why māori have little reason to trust the government, because of what they have done in the past. The way Seymour is talking, he sincerely believes ethnicity is purely an illusion, that there no such thing as ethnicity... and in his words, if you believe otherwise, you're toxic... it's madness that people actually support his crazy delusions of reality..
We are all the same blood
David semour for prime minister
Keep it simple - scrap the Treaty.
ah well done. cant believe luxon and shane cant get with he program. isnt it funny when a politician asks for something not quite along with everyone else they get slanted. trumps in a similar boat. most of these zombies cant see the wood for the trees.
The government's bill goes against the common law decisions around the treaty of Waitangi .
Able to make submissions... What does that mean? Is there going to be a referendum or vote on this by the NZ public? Please excuse my lack of knowledge on this process.
Public submissions via government website open now
Absolutely hammered and put in the naughty corner by Jack Tame on Q&A.
All the greatest Tyrants have allways demolished the old too make way for the new.
History tells us that.
Now that the treaty is up for discussion. It would be good if the treaty in Māori and English is made transparent on what it says and means not just sentences picked out from it and whether it's been honoured over the years in it's full entirety and who it did and did not benefit in order to further the discussion. Most people don't know. It was taught in schools once upon a time and there was no bickering and fighting then. Working together and not against each other is the only way to resolving anything. It's been done many times in the past so it can be done again. Peace 🙂
The British was governing NZ on the basis of the English version of the treaty. The Maori version was translated from the English version. Thus we should just use the English version to avoid confusion.
@stanleywang8524 The British don't govern the country anymore and haven't for a long time, New Zealanders do. It's up to the people to decide whar they want and the governing bodies to serve the people. That is how democracy supposedly works
@@Christina1Love I agree with you totally. However, things can get lost in translation as it's not always easy (or even possible) to find equivalent words in another language. We need to agree on using just one version of the treaty and the English version is the correct choice in my view.
@stanleywang8524 I hear what you're saying. It still needs to be up for discussion before decisions are made imo. Be a good learning curve for everyone.
Correct version of the tow is the Littlewood draft, many have said that this was the long lost final English draft......
How many signatures do we need for this to go to referendum?
5 million maori😂 it's a waste of time as the treaty has now been breached! Some people will be done for treason, legal action is already proceeding. Govt already been warned by the king's counsel lawyers of heir breach to the treaty . Its already been said! This bill will be squashed like a fly. Don't keep up your hopes up. Treason, stealing assets and land is a serious charge
The other option is to reject the treaty as a constitutional document altogether. It never began to be thought of as such until the radical movement of the 1970s/ 80s. Or is a politics that is not treaty-centric no longer possible??
Maori agreed in 1840, that the crown (being Queen Victoria at the time) will govern for all people being the settlers and Maori and the 'chiefs' retain ownership of all components of the land, except under excessive governments choose to ignore the land part hence the Maori Land Wars in the 1860's.
@@chrismckellar9350 What a lot of rubbish, read Article 2 slowly with your eyes open.
@@bac5040 - You need to open your eyes as well. This Bill is a tax payer waste of money and a publicity stunt by ACT and The Maori Party.
@@chrismckellar9350 The treaty also stated that the chiefs were able to sell surplus land to the Crown, but only to the Crown. The main factor of the NZ wars was the rise of the Kingite movement that rejected British sovereignty. The wars enforced British now Parliamentary sovereignty over the country.
Really, id put my vote with act now. Hes making way to much sence!
give it up seymour you are losing your grip on your principles.. there is sympathy for the treaty not just maori but many others and not left wing only..
Beg to differ. Everyone I know in my workplace ,of every ethnicity love Seymour!! That includes people of maori descent. I sense a sea change coming and the duopoly labour/national coming to an end
Defining anything using Roman Temple Court to articulate it, is a ruse for creating definitions that can later be amortised.
Maori are right to complain butin this instance they are not complaining for the right reasons.
Pakeha should wake up to a window for their natural rights is being closed under the ruse of a securing our future.
The future being secured here is neither Maori or pakeha.
Blue blood elite on the other hand?
Understanding our past to heal our future…
Imagine if …
You inherited your grandparents farm and another person (let’s call him the other fella -TOF) offered to help protect your farm and work with you for the well being of your farm and family.
You think this is an ok idea because some of TOFs weren’t respecting your farm so this might be a good resolution… And like your grandparents you want to pass your farm on to your children/grandchildren...
(Just quietly there was a bit of pressure T.O.F turned up in a warship bringing with him lots of TOF and guns).
T.O.F hands you a contract in his language.
You didn’t understand those terms so a Christian missionary (We’ll call him the God fella-GF) translates the contract into your language and rewrites parts to reflect your agreed terms - you sign that version.
All seems well, you smile at your little patch in the sun, until you see T.O.F, and his mates, supplant your flag with their flag. And even have the cheek to erect some offices claiming they now own your farm.
You tell them, nicely at first, to get! Even though their numbers far outnumber you.
TOF ‘Point to the contract written in their language, with cocked guns in their hands declare “you said we could”.
You realise that you had been tricked.
The G.Fs at the time, being the supposed peacemakers, try to make things right but dont have any clout. So, some join in with TOF - others with you.
You also realise they not only took over your farm but set up a new government meaning they could take all the farms of your cuzzy bros (CB) - even though you were once enemies you unite in the cause against TOF for your farms back.
Many of those CB didn’t even see/sign the contract to allow TOF to take their farms but was achieved through the introduction of land grabbing policies and military actions.
Anyway … You want your farm back. You die. Your children take on that fight. They die. Generations pass and die fighting for what they know is right and legally theirs.
TOF rule the land, for nearly 200 years. rule They own the media, and control the narrative.
At certain time periods they throw you enough crumbs to keep you and the CBs quiet enough.
But in 2024 times have changed. Social media has become a powerful tool to disrupt the dominant narrative and for the CBs to organise themselves.
They take those crumbs and like a phoenix rising from the embers of the fire ascend onto to parliament grounds with the great crowd of witnesses cheering them on as first born sons and daughters to the lands - “we will not be wiped out of legislation at the stroke of a pen!”
The CBs can’t get back their farms but the CBs will fight for their cultural inheritance as first born sons and daughters of Aotearoa-New Zealand - Niu Terini whatever you want to call her.
The CB are no longer going to be told what is right. They know- God knows, some of TOFs, and GFs know.
The land is crying out for justice,
Like a women ready to give birth.
So my question is What kind of baby are we birthing?
One that acknowledges the past and want to be part of justice- healing our nation in unity? And honour? By Protecting our language and cultural heritage in legislation?
OR a generation that wants to live in denial and disdain towards the CBs?
Yes all kiwis belong to our nation but Aotearoa- New Zealand is the only homelands of the Māori peoples.
Hobsons pledged
‘He iwi tahi tatou’ -
While mainstream NZ would like us to believe this statement to mean ‘we are one people and we are now all TOF…
The CBs intended that saying to mean
‘together we make a nation’
We have time to reconcile our differences - the CBs, TOFs, the GFs, and TOOF, for a better NZ for all.
Together we make a nation. 🤍🙏🏽🥰
So, there are quite a few Laws that will be exempt from the review into "The Principles of the Treaty". In other words more "feeding ground" for Lawyers and courts to go on interpreting the Meaning of the Principles.............Not really good enough is it??????????
Why were bills passed under urgency? No time for consultation . But this bills that has not support except 11 MPs is getting six months of select committee time? (Selective democracy).
Also another Overton Window action by government
My opinion, NZ has high income tax and tax in general, knowing some of that money taken from me is given to someone else for free because their ansestors were here first.. well ive got something else they can have for free too 🖕😂
Come dig my mother up on Maori land and all her ancestors, if you want to feel entitled, equal rights, you dig up my mother, we should be entitled to dig up yours! Equal rights aye! I think that's fair enough! Stealing land never ends good in court!
The Treaty needs to go so we as a country can move forward as one and yes we need an open discussion on this a country