HEATED! American players/coaches are DISRESPECTED in England?! | UCL Today | CBS Sports Golazo
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2024
- Thierry Henry, Kate Abdo, Charlie Davies, Clint Dempsey, Micah Richards and Jamie Carragher on UCL Today engage in a debate about whether American coaches and players are disrespected in Europe.. especially England.
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Americans aren’t disrespected - they are properly respected for their actual level of play.
No they’re disrespected
Level 0😂
They are
@@lightingbolt8148No, they just haven't performed
They want respect for being mediocre basically
Davies never even played in England either. Notice how Dempsey, the one who actually did something in England, just simply said, "Earn your respect."
Then he added the point. Yes earn your respect. But American players are not starting from a level playing field. That comes from a history of producing talent. Something America has not done. So players from their days didn’t get treated the same. Probably will see that change if they produce better talent more consistently.
Europeans in the NBA. Took awhile for them to get the same respect as American players
@@PC8905 There will always be some preconceived notion. Obviously if an unknown Brazilian and an unknown American comes onto a team, people will assume the Brazilian is better. But as Henry said, more than just Americans go through this and the only way to stop it is to prove them wrong.
@@megamonster1234 he'll probably have more respect to because of how the structure of football/ soccer is in America. Ive never seen kids in the street playing soccer like in brazil, argentina or some other 3rd world countires. You just cant get up and play the sport where all u need is a ball and two pairs of shoes to make a goal. Its such an expensive sport to play in the US. Its not a religion here. Its just a sport on the fringes.
@@PC8905Whos fault is that stop crying😂
@@Anju876No sports aere religions here .Just money making entertainment
Thierry's George Weah example was perfect! African players are the example of not feeling entitled to anything and still overachieving. Well played.
Nobody feels entitled fools lol. Keep that same energy when yall get cheated I'm the world cup lol
That's different because Africa is a footballing continent, just like South America.
@@thankyou8417He meant disadvantaged. Entitled ppl in Europe don't look like George Weah.😂 Samuel Eto'o once said to the Spanish press "I have to run like a black man to earn like a white a man"
100% Americana can never accept if thwrw second beat or in football 200 best
@@thankyou8417yes yall do, yall do that in most areas. Thats typical american bs
Victim Mentality vs Winning Mentality
The victim mentality is the American mentality lol
@@oscarh2744 Americans are getting used to play victims. Social justice Warriors, lgbt+, everything is a reason to think they are disrespected. Booooooring.
Charly Davies "I had to prove myself in training because Im American"
Congrats mate, you've explained how football works for everyone 😂😂😂
I got second hand embarrassment when he said that. 😬
😂😂😂
I don't think that Charlie and others were able to articulate well enough what they meant.
He is saying is that there are negative assumptions made, pre-judgements made, if you are an American. Brits hate Americans, so this makes sense. It also makes sense because yes, the US isn't a proper "footballing country". But the fact remains, as an individual, there is a stigma to having come from America and therefore you are almost certainly penalized in the minds of the fans, the media, and even coaches.
Geezer played for hammarby and sochaux😂. Think that proves the point
@@paulhamrick3943 indeed, I don`t think either they described properly what he meant. Players and coaches not, but fans, yes they will have pre-judgements, and as Titi said it, is the same for europeans in NBA. American basketball fans don`t rate the EuroLeague too much, neither the players. It`s the same in any sport, especially if your country lacks culture or achievements in that sport. In the end seems they figured it out what he wanted to say =))
What the heck was the point that Davies was trying to say? "We sucked for 40 years and people think we sucked because of that!!!" Lmao
He's delusional.
It literally makes no sense
He had a point before Pulisic.
The last few years a ton of Americans are finding success in England and several other countries.
@@spsawyer22 Pulisic largely failed in England
He lost Dempsey as well. Clint had to hop on the Prem team. Luckily, he had that card to save him from the second-hand embarrassment.😂
To be fair, international players in the NBA were looked down upon for years until the 2000s when Dirk, Tony Parker, Pau Gasol and others proved they could not only hang but be stars and help teams win titles. So if Americans feel they have to do extra to prove themselves that’s too bad. Edit: I posted this before Thierry did his mic drop. He’s 100% correct.
I agree 100%. I just think it’s honestly more of a social media “joke” where Americans are looked down upon lmao. I see it all the time on tiktok/twitter/instagram but I know for a fact that in reality if an American goes to any English team you support, the fans will support as long as you perform. Just like any other player of any nationality.
He is 100% correct, but no one actually countered Charly with anything, but something anecdotal from Micah!
Now that’s a good take and I’m glad Europeans are starting to dominate in nba cause I always go for the underdog but if they start to dominate all around..idk, I’ll feel a bit embarrassed cause it’s our own sport but still I’ll be happy for them haha
Key is…in NBA…those players had guys like Don Nelson who ignored the noise and gave them the chance and stuck with them when they had dry spells. That’s the point…no one in England would ever give top level US talent the same opportunity as others.
And as for the two to the right of Clint…they are perfect examples of how English players are treated very different than others in England. Good blood were they average yet treated as special.
They still are....Luka Doncic not being first pick when he was best player in Euroleague at 18 or younger. Be able to be the best player in an adult ligue, thé best in Europe playin and dominating MEN instead of high school player in USA which are not even pros.
Damnnn Clint killed Charlie with the “we’re team premiere league over here” 😂😂😂
“What are you bruh”😭😭
Lmao! 😂
Thierry showed exactly what the mindset of a winner is here
Agreed.He immediately shut up Charlie's mouth.
@@ChuckNorrisFake Go watch the Movie RUDY! You will then understand that Respect is EARNED and not given even if disrespected.
@@ChuckNorrisFakewrong. Go to England and call it “soccer” everyone will have a go at you. Respect is earned not given. Americans are the only ones in the world that call football “soccer” so how can they not expect disrespect. Secondly if u come into a new environment and no one knows you whether u are French , German, African you have to prove yourself. Even the media have a go At English players when they don’t fulfill potential or are underperforming stop this narrative. It’s a bad mentality and a bad excuse.
@@adeking1214 wrong! Many countries like Australia, Canada, parts of Ireland, South Africa also say soccer. the Japanese call it Sakkā, some countries call it soka, in Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, they say nogomet. The Italians say Calcio.
But of course it doesn’t fit people’s agenda to bring up other nations linguistic culture, when they want to throw hate at the Americans.
@@eddiegonzalez638none of those other countries were coming to the World Cup chanting it’s called soccer like a bunch of tossers
As an American I find this funny. How is Charlie upset at Europe when here in America they disrespect soccer 😂
Exactly. Most Americans prefer eggball
THANK YOU!!!!
No it absolutely sucks. Soccer players here are looked down upon from other sports.
Stop calling it soccer
@@JesusGarcia-en6joeggball is pretty cool too though. Soccer is getting a lot more respect and views in America as of late though.
The 1950 victory throw back kills me 😂😂😂😂
it’s the only win either side has actually had in the world cup against each other, every single other match was a draw.
And yeah people disrespect americans particularly in england, not just for soccer but also just in general. So yeah every major point said was valid, Americans often do have to prove themselves to be better than the more donestic players in order to see the field at all, being as good as doesn’t cut it.
@@thomasthomasthomas296 Well yeah.. why would domestic coaches play American players if they're only just as good as their other players?
Randomly playing loads of US players who are average level over average domestic players would hurt their national team. There's just no incentive to do that.
If you excel, you play, it's as simple as that. US players don't get a lot of respect because barely any have excelled in leagues outside the MLS. You earn true respect in sport by winning, not by turning up.
Plenty of English players never lived up to their potential and were trashed online and by the media. Not saying it's right, but I'm also not going to argue coaches should pick them if they're not good enough.
Even Dempsey is like is this guy serious 😂
As an American, it’s not that our players are disrespected, it’s because our youth system favors the rich over talent. In America, If you can’t afford to pay thousands of dollars to play for an elite youth academy, then your dreams are over no matter how good you are. Look at Asian footballers, for a long time we’ve been “looked down on” now it’s getting more common to see Asian footballers in the top leagues.
^^^^^^^^^^^ this!!!
The system in the US does not favor the rich. Poor American players play other sports. European systems pay for top youth players. The other less quality players pay to play. Pro soccer is relatively new in America and has only recently gotten to place to be able afford to pay to train Academy players.
😢
Poor American kids are way richer than poor Brazilian kids.
All those top Brazilian players were poor and grew up playing street football.
All you need is the ball and some friends. The most accessible sport.
It's the culture, America still doesn't love the game like other countries. You aren't obsessed, you aren't playing at any given opportunity, any where, any time
you have a good point there are more reasons, but that pay to play system which obviously favors players whose parents have money is frowned upon globally, esp when in other countries theyll play with a stuffed sock or some deflated ball and end up being better than some rich kid. So of course an american would have to prove themselves. Charlie also proved his point of not being a student of the game.
Micah is incredible - way to cut the tension with his joke. I have really enjoyed seeing him grow over the last 2 years.
You noticed that too. That is an underrated skill. Very good for Television. The producers must love him.
@@chikezienzewi9682 He is such a gem. I used to despise him but the more time I spent with him, the more i love him! He is hilarious, honest, and has such great insights as he was a superstar but really good player in the prem
loved micah’s response too
Pls keep Micah but he needs roy Keane to keep him rooted to the ground
@@stardestroyer44Despised him simply because the rest of your folk did. Same old story, lol.
Thierry makes this ten times funnier than it should be
Titi took that boys confidence… spoke to him like a simp 😂
Arsene whoooo
His face the whole time 😂😂😂😂
he kept saying ouch in begining cuz he knew was was going to wreck that simp
Sheffield Wednesday fan here. Back before the premier league began we had John Harkes in centre midfield, first American to play in a Wembley final and part of what is arguably our greatest side in living memory.
Thierry is 100% right about how Arsene was treat btw, I’m old enough to remember the media reaction when he was announced.
I remember him! Arsenal fan here and sure you're referring to the 92-93 season when we played you THREE times at Wembley in two different finals, as the FA Cup was replayed that year. Pretty sure Harkes scored in one of them. And nobody in either team was ever looked at as not being good or valid enough to be there, especially based on background and nationality. Credit where it's due, your team was immense back then, as getting to both UK domestic finals wasn't even a big surprise! Good times.....😎❤️😂👍
@@cjay6547 yeah the 93 side was legendary, hopefully we're on our way back if Danny Rohl stays in charge. Harkes' first final was in the 91 league cup final v Man Utd.
good luck in winning the premier league this season :)
Another Wednesday fan here and Harkes was awesome, I started supporting in 92. Damn I miss those times
Man, I got second-hand embarrassment from Davies for these comments. He's right that the US hasn't played in the World Cup for a long-time. But the reason for disrespect is due to a lack of development and quality in the players trying to make it in Europe, not because of some chip on the shoulder or lack of history.
Thankful for Clint putting a bow on it at the end there. 9:38 😂
Lol the expressions of Carragher and Henry at the start of this clip when Charlie was talking 😂😂
Yeah Micah was hearing a serious conversation and had to check out. It was all too much for the chap.
The crowd reactions when Titi started to talk though lmao!
This crew seems the only team on telly that aren’t forced to be politically correct or don’t seem to care (which is why I love watching them) so when Charlie started waffling on they didn’t hesitate to call him out on it
when is Charlie Davies going to realize he is severely underqualified to be on these panel discussions
Thierry is too hilarious. It’s how he schooled the American geezer for me lol. Earn your respect.
I love Henry to death, but denying that Americans don’t get stick from Europeans is a load of BS
The fact it shocked Charlie Brown to his boots to hear that tells you the cultural arrogance of expecting respect from day 1 without having done anything to earn it. Laughable.
@@countbasi4680 It's expecting NEUTRALITY from day 1. The coaches (not so much players, I think they get fair shots for the most part) are coming into ridicule before they've done anything to prove otherwise. You're purposefully missing the point.
@@S0L12D3 Americans are definitely disrespected. Just wait until they become a powerhouse. It's coming!
@@countbasi4680 Thierry brought him back to earth with that reality check.
The fact he said he had to work harder than others to get in the pitch blew my mind. Who would've thought you had to be the best to play for the best
Respect to Clint. I don't think he was ever 'disrespected' and he is thought of pretty fondly by fans of the clubs he played for over here. However, he's probably correct, he might have had to 'show up' a little more than domestic players, but he doesn't shy away from that - there is a reason for that. Clint is honest about that but isn't using it with the same victim mentality Charlie is. You can't turn up from a place which doesn't really invest in the sport the same way the rest of the world does and expect people to immediately take you at face value, you have to prove yourself. The fact is, Clint DID show up, did prove himself, and he was a better player for it.
the thing is that “proving yourself” means showing yourself to be as good as, while Clint said he had to prove himself to be better than the domestic players to be able to even see the field.
Charlie with an embarrassing take and getting roasted on the way out was hilarious
By a fellow American to boot. XD
He definitely hasn’t earned to be on that panel.
Dude was stumbling all over 😂
@@alexsamain812 talking for the sake of talking
Henry owned it with the Wenger comparison. He was absolutely slandered by the British media. They tried to hound him out of the Premier league.
Stop this nonsense. There was no hounding whatsoever.
@@mediacenterman8583 There absolutely was you fish, go do your research of the reception Wenger received when he first arrived
@@mediacenterman8583When he first came it was hounding. Why do you speak with such confidence when you are clueless. That is a sign of stupidity.
The media created malicious rumours that Wenger resigned so he had to do a press conference that he hadn’t. He was then threatened that they were going to release pictures from his private life that ‘were going to be very bad for him’.
When you make up lies and threaten someone then that is media hounding.
Hounding?? What the hell are you talking about?
@@malehumanperson7901 The media created malicious rumours that Wenger resigned so he had to do a press conference that he hadn’t. He was then threatened that they were going to release pictures from his private life that ‘were going to be very bad for him’.
When you make up lies and threaten someone then that is media hounding.
9:38 this was a violation wtf😭😭💀💀I’m never showing my face again on there lmaoooo 😂😭
Carragher and Henry looking at Charlie Davies like "what's he talking about" nobody cares if someones American, if you're good enough no one cares where you're from, one of my favourite players ever was Kanu, I'm not Nigerian, man had to prove himself (he had a heart operation not long before) but he made me a fan, I just loved how he played the game
Thierry's facial expressions are priceless 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
LMFAOO
And disrespectful
@@eleazargonzalez7011 eh?
@@eleazargonzalez7011No, just Parisean. I find it amusing. Only the easily offended feel disrespected.
Poor Charlie can never appear on that show again. Dempsey was just pure savage with that comment. Damn
Dempsey talking like he achieved anything in Europe
@@tonyvilla3i mean…he got fulham to a european final.
@@anthonylong9067 oh yea? What final was that? And did Fulham even win it?
@@tonyvilla3 im just saying.
@@anthonylong9067 ur saying what lol he can say he got a participation trophy?
Clint is a savage for that team premier league comment ! Ouch!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Its so nice to hear paul caligiuri get some fame man. Hes such a cool dude and i didnt have the pleasure to play under him since he was the coach of our b team and he joined my last year since i was 17 but super cool to hear his name on the big stage
As an American, we have not earned respect in football yet. However, we are moving in the right direction. More of our players are heading to Europe. We need to continue not just making the World Cup but performing well. Respect is earned, not given.
Dear Connor Taylor 08: American women in football have put the sport on the map and added significance to the pursuit. The U.S. has been the queen of the game for decades, blazing trails for the men to follow. What would the U.S. game be without wonderful women?
U.K. to the U.S./N.Y. ex-pat here: Times are tricky in the deep-down U.S. discriminatory workplaces as an ordinary man, but I have an affinity for American women who strive to enhance the game I love.
@@eddyvideostar The US game for the men would probably be the same. I think the men and women game grow independently. What sparked interest for the men was the 1994 WC. What sparked interest for the women was the WWC. While you can have mutual crossover respect and some exceptions, generally women get inspired by female players and men get inspired by male players
@@eddyvideostarNobody cares about women's sports, not even women. Most women watch the men's game instead.
@zombievikinggaming 4258. Many women care -- and want to excel in many things. They view the predecessors' trajectory making use of the trails before -- preparing for tomorrow's transcending terrain-paved paths.
@@zombievikinggaming4258 Pretty bold statement considering the viewership numbers for women's world cup. Our NWSL team gets a lot of attention here too. It's really not the point though is it..?
As an Australian I can understand where he's coming from but at the end of the day respect has to be earnt. If you or your nation has no significant history within football relative to other countries than you can't expect people to take you as seriously as proven countries. Nobody respected Australia's footballing ability for decades until people like Tim Cahill, Harry Kewell, Ange Postecoglu and Sam Kerr alongside her Matildas changed fans perceptions.
Actually no one take australia really seriously when it's about football. Even today. It doesn't mean you can't have some good, very good, great players/ coaches but come on Tim Who and Harry What ? That would be questions outside of Australia. Even Sam Kerr who is a nation wide star. The only really respected one for the amazing work he does is Postecoglu.
No one takes Australia serious in football, come on now. Are they known? Yea, but no one really fears you or cares about Australia.
Australia need to focus on their rugby team at the minute!
@@thegto8535let’s assume you’re English. You bottled the euros (at home), you got knocked out of the WC 1 stage after us when you faced Senegal in first round of KO and we lost to the tournament champions.
The world may not fear Australia but I promise you, the world doesn’t laugh at us like they do at England.
The problem with the English team? You have too many English players.
And before you pipe up turbo.. I’m an Arsenal fan & yes you will discount my opinion because of it but guess what. The ashes is home. Hooroo skip ✌️
@@AD-hl7ru Nah just focus on the Ashes bruv. It’s at home 👉👌
There’s no stigma with Big Meeekssss…😂😂😂😂😂 absolute legend
The ooooh from Jamie and Micah 😂
It’s like when Jamie is on sky sports he’s a different person. lol
Clint Dempsey, Landon Donavon, Brad Friedel, Tim Howard and more were all highly respected during their playing days and still are today
I don't know about landon Donovan though...he ran back to the U.S. the first chance he got. and Tim Howard was good, but he was also a bit overhyped in the 2014 World Cup.
Brian McBride !
Yeah right 😂
@@el.aye.bee.4477 I hear what you're saying and I wish he had stayed in Europe longer for his legacy, but he largely stayed in the MLS to grow the league. Ask an Everton fan what they think of Landon Donovan, and even after his short stint there they'll rave about him. Also if you watch his Everton games, like actually watch them not quickly google some goal stats, he was a menace to the opposition. He also proved himself on the international level. Even for a large part of Dempsey's prime (and I really love Dempsey) Donovan was the man most feared in national games. In 2002 he won the young player of the tournament award--which is shared by Michael Owen, Lukas Podolski, Thomas Muller, Paul Pobga, Mbappe, etc. He wasthe most respected American international star. I think Pulisic is overtaking him now as a more skilled player and I have my fingers crossed that some of these other young guys like McKennie and Weah who are starting to catch fire surpass him as well.
@@el.aye.bee.4477saved 16 shots in one match and he’s ovverated 💀
Brad Friedel was a fantastic goal keeper and being American didn't hamper him at all. He earned that respect from players and football fans alike!
he was really good. I bought him in my Football Manager game when I played as Newcastle lol
He was alright. Nothing amazing. Played a lot of games and did well at Blackburn.
But he’s nowhere near “amazing”.
He was never a top 10 keeper in the league if you consider his peak to be around 2000-2003; the best goalkeepers were: Schmeichel (villa & city), Seaman (Arsenal), Westerweld/Dudek (Liverpool), Given (Newcastle), James (Pompey/City), Sulllivan (Spurs), Jones (Saints), Van Der Sar (Fulham), Jaaskelainen (Bolton).
Friedel was a decent keeper but he wasn’t at the level of these guys.
He was in the next group down along with Sorresen (Sunderland), Poom (Derby), Sereni (Ipswich), an aging Flowers (Leicester), a young Bywater (West Ham), Taylor (B’ham), a very old Ogrizivic (Covvy), Kieley (Charlton).
Howard, Guzan, Keller...they have good hands 🤔
@@dazediss6629 "He was never a top 10 keeper in the league", except for maybe 2002 when he won the League Cup and got Man of the Match in the final, then the following season had the most clean sheets in the Premier League and was named as a starter in the PFA team of the year.
Yeah, but he had to earn respect because he was American. An English goalkeeper doesn’t have to earn respect, they’re given it
Henry is right on with the NBA comparison. Europeans gained respect over the years in the NBA and now they are proven. Same will go for football if America can keep sending players to Europe and have a handful of successful ones that win trophies. Then things will change.
Doors absolutely open easier for players of certain nationalities. Staying on the field mean you need to prove it on the field. But that first door opening can make a big difference.
charlie took this so personal😂😂just by the mannerisms you can tell they don’t even take him seriously when he’s speaking
Because he’s yapping, it’s true that there’s a stigma but it’s not exactly wrong is it? He wanted to seem like the victim when Americans are simply not good enough
Charlie is the personification of American's arrogance.
Sounded like "we weren't good enough to play in a world cup for 40 years, but I'm an entitled American and I want my respect". I'm not saying that's an every American mindset, because there are a lot of thoughtful American comments in this section, but that's how he came across before King Henry showed him what a real winner mentality is.
What was he yapping about the game at the WC, of course England expected to win, they're the better team 😂 lets be real here
Playing victim doesn’t work outside the US
As an American, saying our players/ coaches are disrespected is an extreme exaggeration. Is there perhaps a bias towards Americans due to differences in sports culture in our countries? Sure. English football has had players come from every corner of the world to play there. They just want to see good football and win matches. If an American can do that job he will play.
Google Brad Bobley. As a Brit I found it funny, but it was definitely disrespectful to Bob Bradley.
For me it's the calling it "soccer" it's like if you call it "soccer", you're not a true player or fan. I find it very hard to take people who call it that seriously.
@@kriissyy09ify That was coined by Soccer AM and a good amount of banter. Shall we go into the "good ebening"-banter that Emery faced? Or the ironic "Ole's at the wheel" that faced a foreigner that played for a decade in that league before? Arsene Who? The fact Bielsa needed a translater?
The english media always had a go, and that's totally fine.
Dempsey was always respected as a top player in England . The thing is he’s the best American there’s ever been . The rest of them are just bang average at absolute best
@@L.Turtle Their league structure to with no promotion or relegation. It just isn't what football is. Its not interesting. They need to grow football and call it football. If they want to be respected and the best way if growing it it attracting outside attention. Even if the quality wasn't the best (understandably so) I'd watch a American football league if it had a promotion/relegation factor.
Love how Big Meeks diffused that. Good job. And of course, anyone who doesn't belong to the core will always be looked at extra carefully, Really sad but that's how the cookie crumbles
I'm from Uruguay, Clibt Dempsey (Prime) would have played on any Conmebol team, what a crack, he's the only player from the USA that I feel had that River Plate magic, technique and quality to play, he's also a rapper and that gives him more class. .. Greetings Dempsey 🇺🇾 monster
I think some of these people need to learn what disrespect actually means. As Clint said, respect should be earned and not given, and in any top league you need to earn your own respect. In football only two things can give you this, playing well and winning, whether you are the coach or a player. Not having earned that respect yet is not the same as being constantly disrespected.
A prime example right now is Ange Postecoglou in the Premier League, he came in as a rather unkown quality. Australia is not particularly well known for it's football heritage, much like the USA, but has had some decent players in the prem over the years, much like the USA. Apart from few a couple good seasons with Celtic (a team that despite being good, has a massive advantage over every other team in Scotland just in terms of it's spending power and talent already available when he walked in the door), he did not have that many accolades before joining Spurs. When he first joined he had not earned the respect yet, and as soon as he started showing his worth and the team was performing well then the fans, media and players have all started showing him respect! There is no reason why an American coach couldn't do the same also with good results.
Learn what disrespect means???🤦🏻♂️ dude I literally played at a college where all our coaches and many players were English and Spanish! The amount of times I hear them talk sht about American footballers was beyond measure
The difference you're missing is the fact that Americans are ridiculed before they have the chance to either earn or lose respect. That's the whole point of this segment.
@@Pre1321 Have a competitive national league and perform well in the WC would be a good start, cant ask for respect if you have nothing to show for it.
This is the exact example I was gonna bring up for the other side of the argument. Very very comparable presence in the PL compared to Americans. But when Ange came in, nobody even really mentioned him being Australian apart from him saying "mate" a lot. "American" becomes the identity of the coaches and to some extent the players too until proven otherwise. Ange wasn't "Australian" he was just a unproven manager; it wasn't "can an Australian really manage in the PL?"
Ange also doesn't represent the idea of an Australian manager either. If he fails, I highly doubt the next time an Australian manager comes along, you'd hear "well we don't know if they can do it." Bob Bradley effectively set back American coaches just because he didn't work out and every other American manager is like a test case for the rest. Jesse Marsch went to Leeds and he was cast with the same doubts because Bob wasn't a success.
The reality, yes everybody has to prove their worth but that's obvious and beside the point really. It's just as though American managers specifically have other things they're criticized for that others aren't. Not even saying that it's a huge thing to overcome but it's another thing on top of the main thing.
And who knows, maybe they can't do it for one way or another. Be it fair, they're just not good enough, or unfair where they don't garner the same respect to lead the team who knows. But Brazil doesn't have any managers either and they're pretty fine lol. Just an interesting topic imo
You’re wrong. Respect should be given to another person no matter what, unless they have wronged you.
Respect is earned. No matter the league, every player that has respect from the supporters and club, is earned.
That’s not true for American players…. Clint literally just told you that he had to be better than other players to even be considered on the same level!
argentinians and brazilian go to europe with 5 & 3 stars. so theyre already looked at different. they can get better salaries.
@@S0L12D3 LOL, that's how it goes in every job not just footballer, when you work in foreign country you need to be better than the locals to be on the same level, why on earth a club brings you from far away if you have the same level as the local boy ? it's called logic dude
@@TheDarkKnightRacist I get that, but when it comes to football it becomes cult like and very fanatical…..
you literally just admitted that there *IS* a discrimination towards foreigners in life, but when it comes to Americans and football it’s a bit more exaggerated.
A few select Americans made a fool of us as a people by being ignorant about Football. But that doesn’t make up that majority of us, certainly not the ones of us who watch the game….. yet we still get sht for it! I can’t say I’m from America online or people will not take my football opinions seriously (even when im Spot on)
I think it’s more they’re disrespected before they have a chance to prove themselves, like Jesse marsh
Man, I hate when my fellow Americans, so-called soccer "analysts" talk like they know everything about soccer/football but in reality, they have no idea what the hell is talking about.
The problem is in US that right talents are not promoted. Players who represent America are not the best talents. I have been experiencing this lats 3 years for my son. Coaches are too focus on physicality in early ages rather than technical skills, talented soccer IQ high players. Physical players cannot improve their technical skills and game IQ later (these are hard or impossible traits to improve if you do not have until 15 years old). Physicality can be improved easily later. Priorities of coaches do not help America to shine in soccer. If Messi was a boy in America I am sure that he would not selected by coaches U13 competition team. This explains why America does not have soccer stars whereas it dominates in all other sports. I am sorry about this and I am struggling for my 13 years old son last 3 years.
It dominates sports only it plays.
Never seen America dominate say Mens Tennis (i'll give you female but the argument could be made we aren't talking about the USWNT), F1, Rugby, Cricket, Darts or Snooker for example.
It dominates things like Basketball, American football and Baseball. Games most other countries don't play.
Japan has a very competitive baseball league.
lets be honest, would americans trust opinions that europeans have on American football ? absolutely not , and they would be probably right to do so.
Football is a lot simpler than American football
Well lots of us prefer football over American football tho especially Latin Americans the US is a multi sport multi cultural country
American football isn’t played like at all in Europe tho so that isn’t really a fair comparison it would be more like basketball but even then I dunno if it’s the same
@@haydenandhayden yeah y'all have basketball and ice hockey which come from the US and Canada, thanks for giving the world proper football tho
@@someguy3546😂😂funny joke
Kate "Do you think that perhaps Americans just have an inferiority complex" -- damn that's the most spot on analysis spoken today.
In football/soccer we do.
Which is a weird place to be as an american. But otoh that makes us underdogs as well, which is a positive place.
In the olympics we tend to dominate more than any other single nation. Its nice to have a sport where we have to fight and be underdogs, but ofc it comes with a healthy taste of an inferiority complex.
@ruiz1871 eh its because the Olympics wasnt alwaya taken serious by many before its kike boxing. For many years americans only dominanted not because americans are the perfect genetic lot lol😂but it was definitely more closed unlike now . Baseball is another example of US declining
@ruiz1871 the world cares more and invests more in there athletes as a result the US hasnt been as dominant in most of these sports as before
Am just glad that the U.S. national team has made obvious improvement over the year and now has players in top leagues. Little by little American soccer players are growing. There is a stigma wether people want to recognize it or not but since nothing is given like Henry said and I agree than time will tell. The tenacity and strong will along with the discipline US soccer players have eventually will get them the respect they deserve. Considering that USA we “are not a football ⚽️ country” we’ve done pretty good in some world cups at least better than so called “football countries ⚽️” like Mexico, Colombia,Peru (and these are indeed football countries) is just a matter of time. Henry, Micah, and Carragher where just having some fun but they know what’s up. Clint should have stood with Davis cause he also knows there is a stigma. All in all is a good topic but we’ll see in time
If you're good enough it don't matter where you're from. I'd say that it's harder for African and Asian players to get to the top than US players purely due to the lack of resources in their countries yet for decades top African players have graced the top teams in Europe and increasingly Asian players too. My Gunners have a top player from each continent in Partey and Tomiyasu tearing up the opposition when they play, and we don't play them for charity we play them because they are top class pros, they are good enough. When our scouts find an American of such ability being American won't matter a jot, he'll play no different to anyone else in the squad.
@@darthwiizius Arsenal fan here wishing the gunners the best. That’s why I left the benefit of the doubt and let time do it’s part. I’ve witnessed the U.S. football ⚽️ development here in America and is due to allowing U.S players grow in European clubs from an early age and that has helped tremendously in the development here. Maybe that’s the answer. Hope that in the end USA can have Generations of Elite players as top European countries do time will tell.
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I think for US domestic football you'll need a bit of patience but with the flow of people coming in from Europe, South America and the wider World I'm fairly sure the audience will continue to grow. While that happens getting your top players, and young coaches too, into European teams will help lift standards in the meantime. There's no reason you can't get a number of your most talented in, you don't need to get 22 in because no international team has or wants 22 superstars in it. Half a dozen top players in Europe could produce a generational improvement in the USMST as a whole, not a World cup winning squad perhaps but one that would give American fans real hope when playing the top sides.
@@darthwiizius yup. Definitely makes a lot of sense. What’s your take on Mexican and Canada national team players? Which basically are the other two strongest Concacaf teams besides USA in no particular order these three are usually the better teams in Concacaf. What’s your take on them?
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Mexico are usually always at a minimum standard, their league and national team is far more established than the rest of North America. Canada are massively improved recently and have really closed the gap on the US and Mexico over the last few years. It bodes well for the finals in '26 to be exciting with plenty of home fans hyped to the max. I expect the 3 home teams to surprise people at least a bit.
Henry with the sound effects 😂 ouch !!! lol
Friedel was disrespected in the US way more than in England. He was a wildly underrated keeper.
*EDIT - After the pouring in of accolades and words of respect for Friedel from my English friends - I want to clarify that I was referring to Brad being ‘wildly underrated here in the States.
As American goalkeepers go, Brad Friedel still is my fay-vrit of them all.
What are you talking about? Brad Friedel is a legend in US soccer.
@@TommyP14 he was consistently overlooked for Keller on the USMNT. He is, indeed, a legend in the hearts and minds of US soccer community - I should have been much more specific in my first take and I appreciate the call-out there.
@@tdunn2 Fair Enough. BF over Keller ANY DAY!
Friedal was well regarded in England mate, Scouse no1 keeper and still playing in the PL beyond 40. Anyone who achieves that level of career for that long is a very good footballer full stop.
TT making the funniest faces throughout this whole vid
His faces were rage inducing since he was just immediately dismissing everything Charlie said before he even said all of it. Weird, superiority complex. Charlie was talking about being disrespected by Europeans and what did TT do? Disrespect him by making childish facial expressions as if Charlie is a moron. He proved Charlie's points with his actions.
@@reesespieces8173missing the entire point lol.
Im 50 growing up i absolutely loved a defender for my team west ham the great steve potts born hartford usa. Everyone has to prove themselves.
"We're team premier league,what are you bro!" REDRUM🔥🤣🤣🤣
As far as US punditry being disrespected, Americans don't help themselves with programs like Morning Footy and Fox's 2022 World Cup coverage- which are/were embarrassing. The most-watched US football media programs contain mostly British casts- CBS's CL coverage, NBC's PL coverage, and ESPN FC's daily show. This is not by chance.
I think the issue is those first you mentioned are trying to be broad like the others. There are other shows that talk about just the region or the US. Which I like myself. The latter ones you mentioned are great for a broad coverage.
@@arsenalmike1835 What regional football ⚽️ shows are you talking about?
You're literally watching an American production.
@@Pre1321 The cast is mostly British as I stated before
Spot on. People from all over the world live in the US. People from countries with an old, established football culture. And yet stuff like ESPN FC is ALL ABOUT the British ALL THE TIME. It’s biased and embarrassing.
When Pep came to England, the media was on him like Vultures saying he will never succeed in his style of play in England and look at him now. He kept his head down and kept digging, look at him now. I agree with Henry, it doesnt matter where you from than what you are going to do or show.
I don’t think the media was like that at all with Pep. Who would doubt his chances of success given his talent and the squad/money at his disposal?
@@JJSFC I don't know if you paid attention to the media, especially the commentators and the post conference matches, even the tabloids; they were doubting Pep's style of play and whether it would succeed in England because he wanted possession football which was not a style played in England. He didn't have a great start and the interviewers kept saying he will find it hard because this is the premier league and what not. Its on the internet if you need a refresher. And also when Pep came, the City squad he had was nowhere near any of the squads that came after. City in general was not a big club like it is now and he took it and made it into what it is now which is why they shut up. I don't know where you were in that period where he first came but Pep was highly criticised.
@@JJSFCThey did 😂
@@JJSFCPep got roasted that first season and they finished 4th to top it off. He dropped Aguero and brought in an error prone keeper.
Don’t compere pep with a USA player . Pep was a footballer he played for fc Barcelona and he was a coach . He was surround with superstars. USA is nothing in football 😂😂😂😂😂
The cocky american got humbled by true football fans. Love it 🔥🔥
Heated? Because it's in Miami? This is the most civil discussion I've ever seen. Don't clickbait, your content is already good enough.
If you are undeniably brilliant, it doesn't matter where you come from, you will be respected.
Yeah that wasn’t the his point, he was saying that the American player could be at the same level as someone else in England but he would have to prove more because he’s American, obviously someone whos amazing is going to look amazing regardless
@@doubleg381 - No, that wasn't his point. That was my point. I'm disagreeing with him and you.
@@doubleg381That is a whiney argument and is something players who aren't very good will say. Use that energy to focus on winning
@@michaelhooley you missed the point again. You’re talking about brilliant players I’m talking about the average starting league players, and this is in more of the perspective of the fans like he said in the video. An average American would have to prove more to Europeans compared to an English person who has the same skill set. Or is that too hard to comprehend for you?
@@doubleg381 Finally someone talking sense...I can't believe how smooth-brained the majority of this comment section is to not be able to comprehend this simple concept. Being prejudiced against someone by default because of their nationality = not so nice. It's that simple.
Jamie really just said skill issue 💀
2:38 Henry’s face was too funny here. Keep it playing
That "OUCH" 😂😂
Thierry said it best, no matter where you come from if you consistently ball out then the players, coaches and fans will respect your game.
What Thierry Henry says is damn inspiring. Top attitude can trump silver spoon
The USA has had good players. Tim Howard, Brad Friedel, Clint Dempsey, Landon Donovan, Damarcus Beasley, Michael Bradley, Pulisic, Mckennie ect were and are decent players. They had a bunch that sadly flopped and could of been world class, Jozy Altidore, Freddy Adu, Eddie Johnson being the most disappointing. The MLS is a very young league though. It only started in 1996. But its most definitely the league that has improved the most since its creation. Its now a top 15 league in the World according to Opta.
Only 1 of those is world class and even then he is child of European immigrants.
who? I hope you're not talking about pulisic?@@MargotDobbie
My dad could made the top tier of MLS at that time he was getting older he keeps telling me he was born in the wrong era
@@BlackWolf-bi3ro must of been before the millenium then. The first 4 yrs were extremely shaky. Their youth clubs only really kicked in a decade later, as in producing players that would end up North American Internationals in the CONCACAF region. So give or take right before Beckham arrived at La Galaxy. Now all the players dont go to Liga MX anymore they go to MLS in CONCACAF well the top players of that continent when it use to be the other way round 10 yrs ago.
@@ozukabeats2456 Yeah Pulisic is not a world class player. Donovan, Dempsey and Howard were miles better.
That ending was raw
One perfect example is Ange postecoglue, who would have thought that guy who was unheard comes from Australia is now managing Spurs. He proved in Scottish league.
It’s literally this, the media and fanbases in England/Europe are absolutely brutal on anyone from a nation without football history that is similar to their stature.
I remember watching Donovan, Dempsey and Howard in the premier league growing up. They got about as much respect as they deserved. Howard played for united.
How do you think Donovan did in the EPL compared to Howard and Dempsey?
He did next to nothing, should be going over earlier
I’m sorry, but Howard wasn’t relevant at United. People remember him for his time at Everton, not United. No one even knows that he “played” for United even though he was on the reserves. If we want to take into account about your Concacaf players at United, there are players like Dwight Yorke and Javier Hernandez who may not be legends at United, but were loved and are still known for their time there. See the difference?
Henry’s facial expressions throughout this lmao
Davies spoke like he's from the Gen Z. Respect is earned, simple as that. If you do not come in with a killer instinct and the desire to overcome anything that's in your way you will not get far, whether or not you are American. His take was actually tough to listen to.
I wasn't ready for Clint dropping that nuke in the final seconds
That was brutal 😂
This whole discussion embodies the American level of entitlement.
Entitlement and soft victim mentality plaguing the country
Trust me this not how every American thinks, he is the very few that think in nonsense way. Respect is earned, not given. You don’t deserve anything, you have to work hard then you will earn respect. This is also coming from an American who used to play football, but respect is earned I think that’s pretty much common sense.
Not all of them would be like that, but yeah us as Aussies wouldnt feel enititled. Weve had to work to get there, to point of Ange doing well now
Charlie speaks for himself, not every American.
Jesus man why do you put me into this guys bad take. I don’t think like that.
I do remember "Arsene Who?" from Wrighty 😂😂
Thiery Henry said all. You have to have the balls to earn your respect.
“We’re team premier league bruh what league are you?” 😭😭
Micah's reaction is the funniest for me 🤣
Poor Charlie should rather blame his accident. He defnitely had the talent to make the EPL.
Henry's facial expressions for the first half of this video hahahaha
"That was your media!" Hahaha
It’s awesome to see how everyone is enjoying themselves at the end lol
For a U.S coach, it will take one who is a big success in the EPL to break the stigma. Wenger did have that stigma when he arrived with fans and media, but his success opened the door for french and European managers.
You win ! Youre due nothing
British are Europeans
@@ERICTENHAG56 The British are the Americans of Europe. They live in their own world.
@@kingslayer1887 europeans live in thier own world lol they need Africans to win world cup for them 🤣
@@ERICTENHAG56 I agree, but America is the same way. After all, Black Americans are descendants of Africans, and you do well in sports because of them.
Football has players from all nationalities that has had players that are successful and have to work hard.. it’s the sense of entitlement that is holding Americans back
Henry was spot on with Weah.. is Liberia a powerhouse? No
It’s Theiry face expression for me 😂😂 you already know what’s coming from him
When Uncle TT tells you " you gotta go. " davies, the door is right there. Try again tomorrow. 😂
I like Thierry’s nba reference. Europeans had to battle a stigma in the nba for a very long time
Yup they literally had to take all the respect they have now. And it’s only in the last two years they been getting it anyway.
By making that comparison he unknowingly agreed with Charlie's point. Of course respect has to be earned, but it's harder to do so when there's also stigma to get past.
Postecoglou proves Henry’s point on this I think, started off being “he’s an Ozzy what does he know” and then proved he knew a lot with spurs
A lot is a stretch, he won a couple games, let's give it time
Not true, ozzys don’t have that English hate “banter” when you see or hear a American you just laugh it’s so different, but tbf they don’t make it easy for themselves everytime I seen josh sargant in the prem I pissed my self laughing
same with poch at southampton
I think it probably didn’t help when football was “soccer” and not the national sport - way way behind NFL and baseball, it wasn’t taken seriously, and wasn’t an obsession like it is in the Uk.
When older players went to play there, Beckenbaur, Best, Marsh etc it was a bit of a circus - pitch side entertainment etc, almost what this Saudi League scenario is now.
So when a player or a coach came over, questions were asked - BUT like they would be asked about a Maltese player arriving 🤷🏻♂️. Bloke obviously had nothing else to moan about that day.
Nah we're used to Aussie players and even had an Aussie manager for the English rugby team
Charly should've taken a cruise on one of those yachts in the background 😅... We good over here Charly no Defense needed 🇺🇲⚽✊🏽
The guy got coooooooooked! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Micah breaking the tension. ❤
I would like to add that as soon as an American player arrives in a major championship he is categorized as a top player in the USA even though he is just average. If you are good you will play otherwise on the bench.
Yeah but Clint literally said he has to play way better than his teammates to even be considered… English players get overhyped all the time
@@S0L12D3so what ? we didn’t know where kvara was from but he showed us he was class last season, matter of facts he won the serie A mvp. If you’re good, you’re good that’s the end of it, even micah who came from england was benched here in Italy because he wasn’t all that
@@ilrepbrutto6081 that doesn’t really prove anything tho does it????? Yes Micah was benched but that was after he was found out….
Americans are severely disrespected by Europeans in football….
Do you even realise that when USA played England in the World Cup everyone said we would get demolished??? And the game ended in a draw.…. England were overestimated and America was underestimated!
@@S0L12D3Nah we like Clint Dempsey, Tim Howard, Christian Pulisic. Top players. Weston Mckennie smashing it for Juventus. Reyna for BVB 🔥🔥 Only one who was forgettable was Landon Donovan 🤣 Didn't do much at Everton while Pulisic won the Champions League 😜
@@a.demifemiflapo5795 I’m not saying certain players haven’t gone on to achieve great things as Americans in football….. that’s not really the point of the discussion!
There are even Englishman who will admit to you inTHIS COMMENT SECTION. That say Americans are extremely disrespected in football. I mean dude. Just look online. Everyone takes every chance they get to ridicule someone who’s American and speaks about the game….
Quality speaks volumes. We have/have had world class players in the EPL from countries many of us have never heard of. #BeBetter
Why was the ending something funny? “Team premier league, what are you?” Is there something I’m not understanding? lol I want to laught
Why should they be respected? They’re best player currently is Christian Pulisic who stunk up the premier league with how bad he was 😂😂
Even the producers was HEADTED! Writing this title Lol 😂
Henry's reactions 😂
I think everywhere
I mean “soccer”
They walk right into that one
Clint roasting Charlie was cold blooded 😭😭😭
Not sure why Clint even opened his mouth, he did next to nothing in Europe
not sure why Charlie is even on that panel. No disrespect to bro... but there are way more decorated MLS players than him.
@@tonyvilla3 he was decent for Fulham.
@@shadow_realm47 won nothing
@@tonyvilla3 Dempsey is literally Fulham's top Premier League goal scorer. He also went to a Europa League final with Fulham. And you're out here yapping in the comments section on your couch.
Just as Charlie Davies got schooled, don't blame others for your own inadequacies
Sadly, this is a rampant American mindset
Respect is earned American players need to perform at the highest level considering the amount of underwhelming players that have not performed in recent years it’s no surprise they are not taken seriously
Just like Henry said, doesn’t matter where you’re from. Everyone has to win a spot, the disrespect is for everyone until you prove yourself.
It is because of how the world think of America. Arrogant, prideful, and such, even though not every American is like that!
Since US is a "powerful" country, people don't want them to take away the culture and sports they love.
Also, fan culture. MLS team chanting can be...very cheesy and corny to many other fans in the world. Fan culture is another reason why the world don't take Americans seriously in football remarks.
Absolutely. The football culture in the US is not the same as in Argentina, England, Germany, etc. Another thing is the style of Americans in football. in America football tends to be very physical rather than technical, most likely due to the fact of other sports, such as American football, where there’s a huge emphasis on physicality.
The American youth is also just recently getting more into football I think because of people like speed who have increased the popularity of football among the youth.
To end off, I think football is growing in the United States. It’ll take time to get to the level of European football. Regardless, the football mind of the American footballer needs to improve there needs to be more emphasis on the team, how the team connects passes, how to read the game, how to be more creative with the ball (like they do in Brazil) and the teams performance rather than individual physicality and individual performances. (sidenote, you won’t see MLS teams, nor United States national team play like Brazil plays where they anticipate movement where they defend with an idea to switch to offense, with an extra bit of flare. Rather, you’ll see the United States teams hit long balls just clear with no intention of getting anything out of it, Wild errors from defense. You won’t see pulisic like Leo, or Mbappé. It’s just that the American football IQ is just not up to par with other countries who have more knowledge of how to play the game) I think another thing that would help would be too model, the football league in the United States, i.e. the MLS, after the great leagues of Europe, with relegation and promotion. but like you said Americans are very prideful so I don’t think we’ll see these changes anytime soon if not ever
As an American this is 🧢 if you’re good enough you’re good enough end of discussion
To be fair I think there is a little bit of disrespect towards Americans. Or maybe not disrespect but it's hard to take Americans in football seriously.
Football is the biggest sport in the world, the biggest sport in several countries. And the biggest sport culture in the world and in many countries. And Known globally as football.
But that's not the case in America. You're pretty much the only country in the world who has their own independent sports culture. You have American football, Basketball, baseball and hockey. Which are huge in America but aren't as big elsewhere and I don't think they're truely global, atleast no where near the scale of other sports.
And your league has a structure that is great from a commercial point of view but just doesn't fit in with the nature of football in general it's about promotion and relegation.
So when an American player or manager turns up, talking about football and especially calling it "soccer" giving something the biggest sport on the planet known globally as football its own name. People myself included do roll their eyes. Maybe some people consider it arrogance to rename something and then call it that I'm not sure myself. But I mean if you're a true player or manager or fan you call it by its name, it's actual name, football.
I feel like we definitely don't take American managers and players seriously. But I also think Americans have been a victim of their own sport culture. Football didn't properly catch on there until quite recently.
But I think things are changing and America is for sure making a name for itself. Done of your greatest talent has come all at once and in the last few years. You have a good number of players playing in big European leagues and at top clubs. You're international team is alot better and can compete.
Not sure what it's like in America itself but I definitely feel like football is getting bigger there.
@@rhyschadwick3269spot on, coming from an educated American football fan, couldn’t have said it better.
Name me one American good enough to play for real madrid
@@rhyschadwick3269Well said. However, I’m not sure I’d always label it as disrespect. Lots of banter, teasing etc.
The bottom line is that respect is earned not given, and USA is far more respected nowadays in football than 10 years ago. That’s because the MLS standard is way higher, and you have produced a higher standard of players through your youth academies etc, and there’s some seriously exciting talent coming.
Football is also becoming the biggest sport amongst young Americans, so it’ll likely become your biggest sport years later.
The banter element will probably always be there because of history. But respect will come when Americans achieve something on the world stage, or have a superstar… that helps raise your status.
@@nischitranganath5960 None. But that's a silly argument isn't it really? You could go round all the great footballing nations in the world, England, France, Portugal, Spain, Netherlands,Italy, Argentina, Brazil etc and they'd have exactly 2-3 players more than the US if that, who are good enough to play for Madrid.
Kane for England, Mbappe, maybe griezeman for France, Lea and Diaz, maybe Cancelo for Portugal, can't think of anyone for spain, dont think gavi walks inti that team, Vvd for the Netherlands,Tonali for Italy. Can't think of anyone for Argentina who isn't an ex Barcelona player, can't think of anyone for Brazil who isn't already playing for Madrid.
Saying there's no Americans is hardly a statement you could say the same about most countries including ones where football is huge and have worked class players
Henry and his ad-libs 😭😂😂
I've played against players from other countries. Some were better than me and some were not. It's the player, not the county.