Remember owning games? Why you cant buy games anymore | What you must know about Steam, Ubisoft & EA
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You technically never own the game, all you own is the license to use the game software, the medium the software came on (if any), and the packaging the game came in (if any)...but I get what you are saying. Should have led with that differentiation instead of slipping it in the middle of the video as that is important information to know and should be stated upfront.
You never own the video. You only have the license.
Odd, why is that?
Yup, that's because YT/Google now decides which content creators they want to live or die based on content or political believes you have. If you slightly lean to the right of the spectrum you are basically f...ed. I hope congress removes section 230 and their protection so they are responsible for all content on their platform and can get sued by everyone. @Overlord Gaming, are you moving your content to another platform? I would follow you there!
Wow the video really is frozen at 4,430. This is the first time i've seen something like this.
This is why piracy isn't dead and won't ever die
Piracy will die when they finally can implement end to end stream-only gaming. Give it another decade or so and they wont even make games for "Windows" it will just run on an application. I fear for those days. We can all see they are working toward that.
@@StevieWhy1 that would need the entire world to have good jnternet. rural areas still have to pay over $60 for only 20mb/s today. If stream gaming became viable, it would only be so in cities with better internet infrastructure for at least 30 years
@@StevieWhy1 internet needs to be great...
The gaming industry overestimated this and it will not be ready for decades as of now...
@@StevieWhy1 So sucks to be the guy who lives in antarctica
Amen
This is why game preservation and emulation is so important
This is only one reason why it's so important.
But wait a sec...
Let's say I install all my Steam/Ubisoft/GOG/EA/Rockstar/Blizz/etc. games on a computer and keep it offline.
Doesn't that mean I can play singleplayer games in those client's offline modes, as long as I want or until an HDD failure?
So technically that would be the same, as owning a game by a disc, plus the comfort of no disc changes. Maybe it's even possible to keep the clients in offline mode, so the pc can be used with internet.
Just not sure, if patches could be applied, without the risk of making a game unplayable, in case they include an online constraint.
@@AdioAurel GOG games typically don't have DRM so if you main that platform you're set there, now the less legal route is cracking the games and allowing them to launch without their launcher and DRM. Pirates are the best game preservation specialists
@@AdioAurel I keep copies of a lot of my games in folders that Steam doesn't know about. So if an update or something breaks a game, I can play an older version. This only works for offline games without DRM though (mostly smaller / indie games).
@@DreamerSouls it's not "typically". they don't have drm.
Not only is owning physical media better, we also need to focus more on single player and smaller developers. Getting away from "triple eh" games is not only a money saver, but also gives you back power.
True; at least untill the small devs get big and try the same stuff.
Imagine being a small indie developer in a world where everyone wants physical media lul
@@em_the_bee imagine not realizing that small indie devs can still make physical copies of games.
Everything from Undertale, to Celeste, to Stonefly, to Indivisible have gotten physical releases.
It can, and has been done.
@@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer yeah, a couple of years after they already became known for their online releases
Now imagine that instead of just making and releasing a game you have to deal with more contracts and negotiations with publishers before even knowing if someone will ever buy the stupid discs, all of that to cater to someone's baby duck syndrome.
To this day, Steam has a built-in utility for exporting your games into packages formatted for optical media, and from that on the only thing stopping you from getting to your childhood experience (functionally) is the relevant skills and tools to print (or draw!) some fancy cover art onto them. And, well, maybe potential DRM requiring internet connection; but fear not, those get cracked all the time, and I can even recommend you a couple of websites where you can get those versions.
But none of it matters, because the functionality it's not what you actually need, and no technical solution can bring your childhood experiences back. And yes, it's sad, but it's definitely not the game developers' fault.
yeah, you purchase the game, not the disc (which costs next to nothing), but when that disc dies - you lose your game. Great times indeed. I don't see much difference, you never owned anything in the first place. The thing that enabled us to preserve our physical copies of games is mfing piracy, you know? DRM-Free is the answer, which doesn't contradict digital distribution services. While physical media is even worse than these services.
I'll never forget the day PC gaming changed for me forever. Back in 2008, my local game shop told me that I could no longer trade-in my physical PC games, explaining to me that "we can't guarantee that you didn't just make a backup copy of the game and sold it to us afterwards" as they so bluntly put it. From then on, I'd see more and more PC releases disappear off the store shelves to the point where I could no longer feasibly and easily own PC games any longer and considering my family didn't have home internet until yeeears later, I didn't have the option to use a service like Steam if I wanted to.
I know games are far from a necessity but tell that to any teenager like myself back then and they'll tell ya they don't care. I was far from the only one in my circles who turned to piracy during our LAN parties where we'd all share these latest releases with each other, as we weren't left with any real options than that at the time.
Also the fact that "physical" PC releases are now just one time use keys to download the game off Steam or another online store page.
@@dewitnow1765 THISSSSS!!
A few years ago, I went though the trouble of importing a UK copy of Dark Souls 3 GotY edition and I thought to myself "have I struck gold? Have I found the last safe haven of modern boxed PC games?". Spoilers, I didn't x.x
I was so disappointed that the disc in the box was just a useless key holder x.x
@@Heffy_Boi Non-Xbox consoles are the last bastion of physical media. I have the Dark Souls trilogy on disc for PS4/5, every game has all the DLCs on the disc. Even Bloodborne GOTY edition is like that. From Software is good in this regard.
@@urracojalpa4481 I will admit, consoles in general are a net positive approach to physical media but I'm often left with the impression that one day, if I didn't back up my update files for any given game, I'll be left with the 1.0 leftovers that the disc provides (unless the GOTY edition available to me, which not ever game is afforded).
I miss the days of buying games on disc. I know some people hate the bulk but it was okay when you had a real choice to buy physical or digital media. If people had banded together and demanded games be fully given to people without the need to rent them, then this would not be the world today, but as usual most people doing anything, they can't see the bigger long term consequences.
I only bay phycical singelplayer games with the ability to play them offline for one simple reason: Ownership.
Speak with my wallet.
Its writen beyond every games cover if its do require online connection just to play.
Bulk? Being a collector of miniatures or toys is bulkier.
disc is slow af
@@imthirun so is trying to download something when your internet connection goes down.🙄
@Scotsman828 yes!! Usbs are so small in size yet can carry so many GB on each one, this would have been a perfect step up from discs. A shame
Single player games do not need any anticheat solution at all. Cheating or not in single player is entirely the player's choice. The game is an environment for the player to explore and have fun with in any way he wants. If my idea of fun is to pick apart the game and meddle with its files and see how much i can dig up, look for certain traces, try to correlate the source code and whatnot, no one else has any say in this. It's not right or wrong as it's entirely subjective.
When you payed for it and it doesn't affect anyone else you're absolutely correct.
A group of us play in closed hacked lobbies in GTA5. We play how we want and aren't affecting any other players. None of us play public lobbies. People should be able to play a game however they want or however a group decides they want to, AS LONG AS it does not impact other players playing by the default rules.
Monster Hunter World was another one I made us custom weapons and gear for as well as a few custom quests. None of us played with anyone outside the group. No one gets to say you can't use cheats to make the game easier or harder as long as it's not effecting anyone else. If they want to control how you play the game they need to buy it for you.
I think now every single player game should give access to the game systems like fallout four does because fallout and Skyrim are one of the few games that basically say here’s our entire game engine Do whatever you want. Make what you want and change what you want
You should hear how things're going in Japan. Modding any game is illegal there. If you're caught, you can be sent to prison for up to five years. (Of course, Nintendo helped push for a law like that to be passed.)
@@DABUNGINATOR 💀 nintendo is so out of touch, games having mods surely adds more value to them and leads to more people buying them
Piracy = preservation.
You can play a game no longer available legally anywhere this way.
Keeping the tapes running
EA proving this point today; Sims 2 is entirely inaccessible without a disc or pirating. The EA App has broken it for the majority of players, despite it still having an active playerbase and community (and some people who had purchased digital copies before it was pulled off Origin.)
I pirated D2 (OG), GTA VC and GTA SA
@@retrofroggie It stopped working for me when upgrading to windows 11, I think it's primarily a compatibility issue, not an EA app issue. There's a bunch of games that won't run on modern hardware, even in compatibility mode. You should see the hoops you have to jump through to get Farcry 3 to work without crashing every 5 to 10 minutes.
@@retrofroggie Same for Mirror's Edge, in my experience
I'm late seeing this, I just wanted to point out one inaccuracy: You say companies are leasing a license to you. Under the law, unless you're paying a monthly fee, that's false. They're SELLING you PERPETUAL licenses. Now of course that doesn't mean much to buyers when they can shut down the server and brick your game at any time, but that's also why companies DON'T want this issue going to courts. They're operating in a space that hasn't been established legally one way or the other; much in the same way lootboxes haven't been addressed by the law in the past either.
Honestly I swear us government only has one goal in mind milk as much taxes from the people while doing absolutely nothing so I don't see them ever addressing this as a concern.
@@RaidenKaiser Getting gov involved is what babies do. These are video games. Stop buying from the companies you don’t wanan support or get them used from other suckers
@@aceclover758 I don't buy games with lootboxes or support this behavior it's just there are too many idiots out there that can't help themselves and do the shit anyways because of their addiction.
@@aceclover758 Pay attention. You can't really buy and own a game anymore and nearly all companies are doing this. Try watching the video before commenting next time.
@@aceclover758 a mentally ill free market fanatic i see.
"The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates." - Gabe Newell, 2011.
Steam reformed me as someone who used to only pirate games. Steam is just so convenient.
Only time I have pirated a game since Steam is when games went epic exclusive and was unavailable on steam.
@@justinwhite2725
Steam has been pushing me toward pirating games off of the platform, I don't buy games just to not be able to play them because they cut off service on a still widely used system.
@@justiceforjoggers2897 What system they did thet cut?
@@justiceforjoggers2897 I'm not aware of any games that steam cut. Most of the stories I've heard are publishers ending support (steam can't continue to offer them without publisher permission)
However yes, removing access to something you've purchased is a reason I would return to my old ways too.
But again - that's a service problem not a pricing problem.
@@spacewargamer4181 Windows 7.
Cheats used to be about moon jumps, Big heads, changing the visuals, unlocking every fighter, car, stage, infinite lives, infinite ammo, infinite time, etc.
Cheats were used to goof around and not because some kid wanted to be plat in valorant, I hate the new generation of gaming
@@GROMOVNIK05 hate the corporations not the gamers
The honest truth that hurts
Glad your still making content.
Thanks for the like OG
*you are = you're. Your English sucks.
@@EmilyRose0 What is auto correct?
fr
@@rage9715 laziness.
Yes, I member. I specifically buy from GOG, as opposed to other platforms, when a game is available there. I have some saved on an external drive.
I was surprised and disappointed to see the lack of any mention of GOG.
I do the same thing with my GOG purchases. I wish the other storefronts had the option to use offline installers.
@@bloodbond3 the comments are making sure we know
Why does everyone forget to mention how retail truly died?
Steam gained a lot of users as part of their push for Steam keys as retail discs.
Case in point, Black Ops and Skyrim.
My father bought me a disc of Skyrim when it came out.
When I went to install it on my computer, I was given a Steam key, and told to download it off of Steam.
When I looked on the disc, the game wasn't even bloody there.
This is how they got me stuck on Steam, otherwise I would have never even bothered with using their platform.
Whats your steam Thomas?
Good news. Now Skyrim with Special Edition from 2016 is on GOG.
LOL that happened to me. I already had a Steam account but didn't used it. When I bought a Saints Row 3 disc it asked me to install Steam and login with my account.
Edit: In my case the game was indeed in the disc. But Steam read its files to install it.
Its even better for me. Had I never cared about SFM at all, I wouldnt bother to use steam. Years of not having constant, stable Internet teached me to just play with whatever you have... And also to crack games cuz its too pricey.
similar thing with saints row 2 in my case
Mods ,total conversions and indie games are the future of gaming
*And piracy, emulation, and offline solo play.
“You will own nothing and you will be happy” - World Economic Forum
It’s all part of the globalist agenda.
That feeling when you own a game in two different platfroms (steam+epic games) and still can't play it because it requires a shitty third launcher that can't verify my game ownership. Yes I'm talking about rockstar's GTA V
Oh, that? I consider myself incredibly lucky that I got the 'legitimate' version of GTA V for free on the Epic Games Store, but other than the Epic Games Store launcher, I also have to install Rockstar Games Launcher, and then both do some kind of irritating back-and-forth for two to three minutes before finally launching the game. The fact that Epic Games and Rockstar Games reserve the right to arbitrarily terminate my ownership of the game is just another instance of rubbing salt in the wound with this non-ownership model.
EDIT 1: I also forgot to mention that the 'official' GTA V copy cannot even be modded. Curse Rockstar and Take-Two!
EDIT 2: Apparently the 'official' copy of GTA 5 can be modded. I take my edit 1 words back.
This actually happened last year. Said to everyone who had GTA V on PC that they didn’t own it and you had to buy it because the server had a problem
Ubisoft Uplay is so annoying to deal with because I legit paid money for a game only to be unable to play it without having a Uplay account, which the launcher automatically logs you out from inactivity since I only have 1 game on Uplay. I pirated the game and it works just like I expect a game to function.
i have gta 5 on rockstar so i guess its okay?
@@fancyyahoo it can be modded. i have modded it very easily
The whole gaming industry and even the tech industry is way overdue for some heavy handed regulation. Customers needs to be protected.
We don't need regulation but awareness, you think government respects your property, have you ever paid taxes as in by yourself and not through your employer?
@@RUclipsTryingToBeTwiter31581 We need both government regulations are necessary without them manufacturers would have a field day selling inferior products and screwing customers over
@@Legion849 they already do sell inferior products
@@Legion849 Yes!
@@Legion849have you been living under a rock since 2020? I see hardly any regulation, but a complete fascist take-over of all governments and big corps. I'd say they are all having a field day with the majority of us lately
GOG or The High Seas - the only viable options!
Humble bumble offers DRM-free downloads on a ton of games too FYI, don't jump into the sea right away.
Does "The High Seas" means piracy??
I'm a student and 99% of the games I've played are pirated since I can't afford to pay for so many games. Though I did convince my brother to buy SW:BF(2015) & BF1 for me on sale. Only the latter was kinda worth it (nearing 1000hrs), since I can hardly find any servers in SW bcoz I bought it after SW:BF2 launched
@@sushimshah2896 I assumed it was a joking expression to tie in with "pirating". Multiplay games don't really get pirated unless you have a private server with friends or it's like OG battlefront so it's the only option. unblocked-pw.github.io has a list of torrent sites though for games you already own and lack a cd drive for... wink wink I think it's easier just to wait 1-2 years behind when games drop to 6-25 bucks. You still got to pay for a VPN if you pirate. Though you got to do what you got to do as a student with possibly $25 bucks of food allowance for the week.
@@coryandrum Woah, that's a long list!! Thanks a lot bro 👍🏻
But I usually either download games from igg or get them from my friends who already have it.
I've downloaded from torrent before but download speeds from igg (especially the G-drive links) are way way faster.
And no I don't buy any VPN.
Once I start earning, I'll definitely buy more games (most of them on sale but some (like CP-2077/MS-FS) I could pre-order/buy right after launch for full-price).
I haven't even played TW3 that much bcoz I want to experience it fully with much better graphics & fps (currently have a GTX-850m)
@@sushimshah2896 yea I had a business class dell game me threw college, mainly company of hero's or counter strike. Idk if u seen LowSpecGamers channel, but it did wonders so I could play witcher 3. Looked like I was playing on a Wii, but it was fun.
This is something that needs to be talked more about until something is done
What should be done is stop selling games on these platforms. I'm going to sell mine only where the customer can fully own the game. AAA studios could easily do this, but they won't because greed.
“The only cheats we allow you to use are the ones we provide.” Wow. Modern gaming drama summarized in one sentence.
Remember owning games?
I sure as hell do, unfortunately, gamers let go of ownership for "convenience", which most companies now exploit to make more money out of it. GOG is the only saving grace in this regard.
I think it's just like people letting go of freedom for "security", when in fact, no one is ever safe. All your "convenience" can go up in smoke if you make a wrong move, or get hacked, or if the company just feels like it, since EULA's allow them to do pretty much anything. And with "security", it doesn't matter how much cameras are around, or how efficient law enforcement is, you can't predict when someone next to you will snap and just off you. And even if that someone would get caught shortly after, that wouldn't matter much for you anymore, now would it?
Take for example simply needing a damn account to run a, and listen to this, a frickin TOASTER! Yes, there are kitchen appliances that require you to have internet access 24/7 in order for them to be usable. All under the guise of "well it's convenient cause of bs reasons of using an app on your phone which is questionable if you even own that too!" They've been marketing this crap as "convenience" which people have been successfully duped into believing for decades now. "Convenience" is little more than a not so subtle way to keep a chain around your neck.
"Oh, you look so stressed of having to own er... We mean... "Use" all of those basic functions in person. How about you buy the exact same thing, buuuut, you have to buy a monthly/yearly subscription to our online service where you're paying with no end insight! But don't pay attention to the fact that we're basically controlling you to our own benefit, think about how "convenient" it'll be when you own nothing and you'll be happy!"
So many free games online for you to own... ... ... Come on~
You don't get it? Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee... ...
@@TheMrDewil you shouldnt have to agree with a games eula either if its a single player game since you bought it. not being allowed to play a game if you deny their eula after you buy it is like holding your stuff for ransom
@@shadowyyCFH yeah, exactly. The problem is, there's no clear definition on what video games are - goods or services. And if with free-to-play and subscription based games it's more or less clear where they stand, then what about the rest? And all that damned control, that you have to have internet connection, or use particular launcher. Like Ubi does. Even if bought game on Steam you still have to deal with uplay, and let's just say that these companies don't put as much effort in this particular software as they do in their in-game shops, and it's disgusting. I guess that's why piracy is still have big presence. That way you don't have to deal with any of that bullshit.
I'm just happy you're still here.
under EU law, I did buy it. if they don't keep their servers up I can still play it from a backup, assuming it doesn't have Denuvo
Assuming it has Denuvo you likely don't want to play it anyway, as that would be some AAA crap title.
@@Lovuschka or a AAA wannabe "indie"
America is the only region that is messy for ownership. Aus has great consumer laws
@@rage9715 Australia has the best consumer laws in the world.
@@moonflowerpalace3872 Least we can refund a game after the 2 hour period if it doesn't work shame ACL doesn't apply else where.
ruclips.net/video/uE8BB-ioNRw/видео.html I miss the checkout
Your videos are always high effort and well made. The level of details and accuracy is something you can not find in video game related content. Great job.
This is exactly why Piracy will never die down. You have the game file installer, you have it forever. You can also burn it on a disk if you would like.
I often re-watch your extra credits roasting video, love your content
Yeah, that were good times.
Happy to see you back, great video. I hope GOG can really rise in the future
Same here on both parts. I too would like to see GOG become more popular.
We'll see what happens after Cyberpunk. Apparently, over a third of the games preorders are on the GOG site. Regardless that game will probably give the site a huge boost.
@@matteste about that...
@@glitchman1272 yea.....
Meanwhile Apple: Now their customers don't even own the hardware.
How? Didn't get your joke. xD
@@MainakRoyChowdhury Apple has to authorize launch of every app in MacOS.
@@MainakRoyChowdhury well right now they are in a legal fight to prevent the right for costumer to repair their apple phone by anything other than they apple center
@@BicheTordue And they are fighting a legislation that would ban companies for working with companies that use forced labor, aka Chinese prisoners in concentration camps.
Seriously?! Holy hell i can't even compute this!
Just like anything ever, there is no guarantee your digitally purchased games may last forever. You buy a physical DVD, and in a few years it is going to become rotten and scratched and unplayable. You buy an apple, and in a few years it is going to be uneatable and possibly turned to dust. Even if you hope to store your game in a physical drive, the drive will eventually die: anything physical and digital does not last for all eternity, and you too will eventually turn into dust. At one point in time, old media will start fading away and becoming forgotten and inaccessible, and this is something we must accept. Games are meant to give us entertainment and tell us stories, and how they are distributed and wether you own them matters not, they serve their true purpose nonetheless. it is like buying a ticket for the theather: you can only see the movie once with it and you do not own the movie and it does not last forever, but you will see the movie and the movie will serve its purpose regardless.
Anyhow. in my opinion, it's really more of the company's fault for implementing DRMs, microtransactions, and not making sure their game remains available for generations to come
Damn, this was deep. I mainly like games to be playable offline as my internet is unreliable but it totally see what you're saying
There was a big announcement of this shift from owning to leasing by steam and only about 10% of the users understood what they were losing and the other 90% just went along with it. Every year i call steam and ask them if i join and buy a game will i be able to play it offline or if i deleted the steam client... always got a no and i've been pirating ever since. My current model is pirate all game, if i enjoy the game contact the developers and pay them directly. People don't get that we are in control of what companies do, we just all have to united. If back in 2011 all steam users said no to the own / lease change it would not have happened. Thank you for making this video, you wouldn't believe how many arguements i have with steam users about this, most think they own the games they buy.
btw all pirated games come with a huge, in caps, message saying "IF YOU LIKE THIS GAME, SUPPORT THE DEVELOPERS"
GOG is closer to ownership, but it too isnt perfect. Still, seeing GOG fall to the wayside of the inferior Steam, Origin, and Epic Games Launcher and Uplay is discouraging.
Also so few games these days can be modded. One of the finest thingd about gaming... removed. So sad.
The lack of modding in new games really is discouraging
I'm curious what the flaws are with GOG? No DRM, Able to archive, multiple versions of games.
@@2Cows In GoG you cannot sell your games. It also sometimes gets shafted compared to the Steam version with regards to localization / Linux versions / Multiplayer features.
It is as close to ownership as we get, but it still isnt real ownership. Not quite at least.
@@CharcharoExplorer I'd like a comparison to the shafted versions of GoG games when it comes to steam games.
@@hodumx Well, for example, and this is not on GOG but on the developers, Metro Last Light and 2033 do not have the Linux versions they have on Steam. IMHO this is stupid, not a major problem but a problem nonetheless.
The king returns to bless us with quality content! Seriously though, I wouldn't generally watch 30 minute videos but yours are just quality, no unnecessary music or anything like that.
I love GOG, next best thing next to physical media
It’s polish
I too love GOG. It is the reason why I'm still a PC gamer. I just with more JRPGs were on the platform.
Yea stealing is cheaper
@Thomas B but gog indirectly supports pirating by making games DRM free
@Thomas B tell me when I said it wasn’t?
I’ve never understood why people buy games (or movies) digitally. It’s always been really obvious to me that it’s NOT ownership of the game. I still do it from time to time, because some games don’t even release in disk form, but overall I avoid buying digitally.
Not 100% true, if you can purchase the rights to the code the you own tgat digital game more then the one on your lock down disk. Other some people are just giving it all away even. For example Suprer Tux, Battle of Wensnozth are two known examples.
That's why I only "buy" games on GOG. Because I can download them fully and store them in my own portable disk drives.
"The only cheats we allow you to use are the ones we provide" ... Their greed knows no bounds.
Thanks for the video as always!
Well, it's just part of "creating a problem and selling solution" routine that big publishers are known for. As far as I know EA started all that shit in single player games with their Dead Space 3 shenanigans.
@@TheMrDewil True. I can easily believe EA pulling such moves. Its sad though, how it has become a norm these days except for companies like CDPR.
I bought a Watch Dogs Legacy ... a DVD Box just for fun ... in it: a card holder. On the card printed: a code. Was worth the lolz
Welcome back, Overlord!
I play both console and PC. I own a ton of retro games for this reason - I like ownership. I will always support physical copies for games. PC games at least have DRM free downloads to retain ownership, but this is quickly eroding. I worry for the PC gamer, because this is becoming an issue faster than it is for console players. I've been stating this since the mid 2000s, but the general populace really seems to prefer convenicne over ownership. A real shame, I think.
Money is the store of value, dear... ... You don't like ownership, where money is concerned, ownership is the primary root concept at such. Not about like or not.
No need to worry about gamers... ... Hee hee hee hee hee... ...
Just have fun.
Else, if you like to worry so much, why not just give yourself some time, pick up laws and... ... seriously dig in. Then you will know why. Hahahahahahahahaha... ...
Nay. The general populace are just...
... well, sotongs.
Pick up the world of intelligence, and you will understand.
An awesome unbiased and honest video about the state of game ownership that's more like renting them now
This aged so fucking good it might as well be ambrosious
I recently decided to use gog and it's really nice knowing I actually own the games or at least the closest to owning it digitally.
Always good to get a video from Overlord Gaming.
They're all backed up on the internet with unofficial copies so there's that at the very least.
Wrong online only drm and some denuvo games are not cracked and not playable
@@Dregomz02 but most of them are Mom's, that you can't play anyway if the publisher stop's supporting it
@@Dregomz02 there are games with matchmaking system that will die when the servers go down
Till they stop the support for the game, then it's gone forever. So you still don't fully own the game.
Please stop 4 different people don't need to tell it
the reason you cannot "own" games anymore is simple "offline mode" if you stay online and play you are more likely to pay microtransactions or buy more stuff from there website/store
Perhaps simple minded fools are tempted, but not me. It just increases my levels of frustration and hatred for the developer.
@@HULKHOGAN1
Advice.
Only bay phycical games who do not require online connection just to play.
Its writen beyond every games cover if its do require online connection just to play it or not.
@@heavensea141 I think it will only get worse. I’m pretty sure GTA 5 single-player can’t be played without internet
@@HULKHOGAN1
I only care about story mode, played it with my Playstation 4 offline.
If Rockstar games do this with the next gen version:
All I said then its thanks you Rockstar games "
I'm saved my money.
No reason for anyone to bay it.
@@heavensea141 haha I like how you think. Refusing to buy their games is t he best answer
digital games are a bit of a double-edged sword. You no longer own the game, you just have a license to play.
But you also do not have to deal with decaying / scratched disks, bent floppies, and rusted cartridges.
Nothing lasts forever, whether you own it or not.
You haven't "Owned" any piece of media published since 1999 when DMCA (EUCD in Europe) laws where put into effect.
Sony's been doing some really stupid things, recently, too like forcing Japanese devs to censor their games.
Are you sure that's Sony and not Japan wanting that? For real??
@@DyoKasparov answer is yes.. Since they moved their HQ to California.. Everything went to shit
@@DyoKasparov There are games that are more strictly censored on the Ps4 than the Nintendo Switch. NINTENDO has far more of a Japanese core than Sony does, at this point, that's no excuse.
@@VGamingJunkieVT got examples?
@@forgives12 why would they do that tho, that's dumb
Next thing you know game companies will force you to make their games with a "creator mode" and pay for it 60$. I miss the old days were LAN was possible. Why can't we just create our own servers to bypass the ownership problem. As always well said Overlord.
I agree with the LAN thing. not the creator mode tho. idk if you noticed, but back in the days MANY games had creator mode or external tools to make your own stuff to have fun with indefinitely for a single purchase of the game. since then they realized that if they are the only ones able to extend the game (with DLCs), they will rake in a shitton more money
Valheim is really nice in that way. You can self host. There's a few other games you can as well, which I'm fully in on, because so long as there's a community the game stays alive.
Developers can definitely sell the server software so a couple of players can chip in to buy it and also pay for server costs. That way we don't end up with dead multiplayer games.
So happy to see another of your video :)
man, i was aware of these issues but this made me realize how bad i really was. Nice video, hope it gets spread around. At least the message that is it conveying.
Thank you for making this video, this subject doesn't get enough attention and there's an entire generation of gamers that doesn't really know any other reality now it's sickening.
Yup. everything sucks these days, that's why I have no enthusiasm for new games!
So many old games to play though you will never run out lol.
Shocking they invest a lot of money to make profit out of video games!
Play F.E.A.R., Planescape Tornent, Deus Ex, Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines, System Shock 2, Thief which are all masterpieces and better than 95% of the stuff released today.
I just thought about this channel yesterday, finally a new video!
My favorite youtuber uploads again!
We encountered this in Russia. The steam policy has led to the fact that I cannot spend the amount that I have left on the account. This forces us to return to the pirates again. Personally, I have nothing to lose, I still play the games I need, but now for free 😆
That's why people sould support stores like GOG where the games you buy are DRM free, so once you buy and dowload them they're yours.
The future of Ownership will definitly bring newer ways of piracy. Maybe that's why corporations have tried to do new formulations and steps to enforce games to be in their hands while players can play it until all die on their services.
So, I wonder what form will Piracy shape. Will Private Servers be easier as PC components improve over the years, what kind of protection will arrive after DRM and Always Online DRM.
It's a matter of time to see new technology designs.
Great video as always!
Private servers where never a hardware issue but rather a "you'd have to rewite half the game" one
This is not new to me, and indeed, the intrusive nature of game launchers has driven me to use GoG and piracy. I don't like how Steam and game companies put up drm restrictions and force updates on me, that for example break mods. I remember Gaben talking about how piracy was a service issue, well, his message was subverted.
I don’t actually do any business with Steam anymore. I buy my games on console, on disc
@@siloPIRATE consoles are drm boxes too...
@@Soulcatcher30 but I buy physical copies of games there meaning I can sell the games if I don’t want them anymore. Unless the hardware is messed up the game should just work forever (unless it does like GTA V last year on PC where it said no one owned the game)
@@siloPIRATE Disks wear out, they dont last forever mate. Owning the physical disk is no better than owning it on steam. The disk also has DRM on it (the holographic center circle) that checks that it's an *official* disk. Consoles are the farthest you can get from owning your games; You're blowing smoke. The closest you can get to actually "owning" a new game these days is to buy it legally (important for the next part) then go grab the pirated version and back it up; P2P isn't inherently illegal. Worst that can happen after this point is you break/lose/ect your backup.
@@dakota9821 there is always emulation which is a legal grey area, then your games can live on forever. Emulators can also read the original disc if that’s the way you wish to go
21:19 When they introduced a level creator (story creator mode) for players, players discover a way to bypass MTX without any third-party tools, so therefore the anti-cheat software COULD NOT detect that because the game itself allowed it. Ubisoft got the attention that players can farm XP and decided to ban players because this acts as a substitute to their business model of creating a problem and selling the solution. ruclips.net/video/ac-RN-MGh7I/видео.html
The only digital distribution platform where you actually own all your games is GOG.
This was 2 years ago? Well it's not changed since. There are so many good points made here and I so appal everything being 'online only' now. Keep up the fight.
I just had this exact discussion with a friend a few days ago. Thanks for making this video (it saves me a ton of time and nerves) - now I can share it with all my friends when it comes to discuss digital games/libraries and stuff like that. 10/10
Great video and to be honest, gaming industry becoming what it is now is the reason I started trying to find some other things that I would enjoy in my free time, especially during the pandemic when theres really not much to do outside. So i started programming and discovered an amazing world where i'm actually feeling like i'm doing something useful and valuable. In the end I can thank gaming industry for making me lose interest in further wasting my time and money.
Programming? Welcome to the open source world, will you join us in the Linux world where you will own your own computer again?
@@davianthule2035 You mean GNU + Linux?
Everything is a waste of time. You can't soley say gaming is a waste.
You could argue that living is a waste of time because all the hard work you've done will be nothing
Finally a new video! Missed you!
A game isn't a property, it's a software. Even if you buy a disc, only the disc itself is yours, not the content on it. A software can be copied infinitely, it isn't scarce, so it's not a property. In other words, piracy is ethical, since it isn't stealing, but just a copy.
For me, piracing single player games is a must. I only agree to pay $60 if I think the access to the multiplayer servers is worth it. Even so, that doesn't stop people from creating their own non-official servers of multiplayer games if they want to, without paying a penny to the companies.
Support physical/drm-free games (like from GOG)
Support and encourage indepdent studios
Support emulation and game preservation
Support to bring back LAN, P2P, Adhoc, splitscreen etc as standards... basically anything that doesn't wholly rely on corporate servers/services.
I have so much respect for all the scene groups after watching this video.
They're screwing us so hard.
Wait till they can control your earnings through CBDC
@@wrighrw2get real dude, your earnings are already controlled.
Please spread the video online, we need to fix this problem.
we need to boycott steam
Top quality content as usual. I am glad you raise awareness about this issue. Though the solution is IMO pretty simple: Don't buy services, licenses and/or products from these companies. Dont buy from EA, Activision, Ubisoft, 2k, Rockstar etc. Support Indie Developers and/or smaller AA Titles. Personally I have quit all Singleplayer games from all big AAA Publishers.(I occasionally play things like Apex as they are f2p anyways so it is clear from the get go that you won't own shit.) There are so many good games out there that you can buy on GOG or from smaller developers. AAA games may be shiny but you surrender your computers integrity(AntiCheat and DRM) and you support their Anti-Consumer practices. Also most smaller games are not riddled with microtransactions. It may sound harsh but we have to vote with our wallet and hit these mege corps where it hurts: Their bottom line.
This is not a solution because it is not coordinated. If you want to do a boycott you need to get out there and organise it. It will take way more time than anyone online complaining ever actually puts into it. But just calling for a boycott is not the same as organising one. If we want this to happen then it needs to be properly organised. Until then we're just screaming into the void.
I just play old games on discs in my consoles or pc. There is so much out there that honestly you don't really need new games.
Exactly, in addition, their AAA games aren't even fun (yes Ubisoft, I'm talking about your shitty ctrl+c ctrl+v games).
I'm sticking to AA and indies, thanks.
Ok, so as someone who buys games off of steam, and steam only, this is a fascinating video to watch.
I grew up with an Xbox 360 where if you move the console at all, you’ll end up scratching the disc. I remember getting Fallout New Vegas for the first time and being really excited after watching a friend play it. I put the disc in and wanted to move the console a bit so that is wasn’t in an awkward spot. This was a big mistake, as the console scratched a big circle around the disc hole and I was devastated. This wasn’t the first time this happened, as after my parents bought the game for the second time for me, I got it scratched again! I don’t remember why this time. I know consoles don’t act this way anymore, but this experience has caused to have an innate fear of moving consoles with a disc in it, as well as even owning a physical copy of a game or movie at all. I actually have Cowboy Bebop on blu-ray and there’s a scene I can’t watch cause of a scratch on the disc. So yea, that’s why I stick with digital media, even if that also comes with its own problems.
I don’t buy from Ubisoft or EA anymore, cause their games usually aren’t that great or they require another service to use. I hope the people behind the Northstar Client for TITANFALL 2 can bypass the EA Launcher. Most of the games I’ve been getting are indies, but sometimes I will get a triple A title if it looks fun to me.
One thing I will agree with and say needs to die is DRM. It does jack all, and only makes the game run worse. Hi-Fi Rush and DOOM Eternal are games that I wish Bethesda would just remove the DRM from, but it doesn’t seem like that’ll happen. I’m glad Capcom is removing DRM after a certain time, but I wish it was sooner rather than later.
This is why I don’t play on PC the minute that consoles go the same route as this is the day that I stop buying new games and consuls I’ll just stick with the old shit
I buy games from GOG you can always keep the file, no launcher needed, no DRM. Tho they have a limited library.
You're not getting the recognition you deserve and that it needs, but please don't stop making videos.
You can always choose a different platform like GOG...Steam isn't the only platform to use.
This video needs more views. We need to spread it on #videogames #pcgames etc. More people need to know of how shit EA/Steam/Ubisoft and EPIC are.
Ubisoft and Epig, definitely. Steam, not so much.
Yeah, steam is quality stuff. You DO own the games. And if you don't, that's not steam's doing, it's the publisher's. Take your average indie singleplayer game for example. No internet connection needed, and if you want to you can rip the files out of the steam directory and move them around/dig into them as you wish, unhindered by steam. Don't wanna run the game through steam? Literally just go into the directory and run it directly via the executable.
@@kaden-sd6vb and how many games can you launch this way? You're just a Gaben's bootlicker.
I have been looking for content like this regarding Steam for a while. It puzzles me how much gamers love Steam. I remember the “old days” of discs and it was annoying, but I did not have to authenticate every time I click on an .exe file. Honestly it is a shame that gamers stopped being active against “types of drm” and learned to love and obsess over Steam/Valve and Gaben.
Everyone just believes they will never have issues with Steam or that their potential thousands of dollars will never be deleted or removed.
If these frauds like Steam don’t agree to what is perfectly fine in the real world which is selling products to anyone we want, then there isn’t any reason people should ever even give a thought about piracy being unethical.
These people who cries against piracy has only one reason, “you don’t just go to the store and steal a product in the real world, do you?” Well in the real world I also don’t get punished for selling product to someone else by second hand.
Brilliant video, still love pc gaming. I had to use cracked games in the past because I could not afford the data needed to update starcraft and dow. Currently, none of these issues affect me but it's good to know this for the future.
rdr2 just been cracked a few weeks ago, i actually installed it over my legitimate epic games copy so i could avoid the terrible launcher and slow loading times.
Can you check the difference between RDR2 Cracked and Legit version
@@Lostsprite If your going to pirate, I recommend using Steamunlocked.net. They don't crack the games themselves but instead pre-install the cracked version of the game and put it on their site for direct download. Not sure if you guys already knew this but incase you didn't here you go.
@Thomas B Gaming Yea, first game I ever fully played through from them is Fallen Order. Since everything is free I've started at least 4 games and hardly played through any of them, including (RDR2, Gears 5, Ghost Runner, possibly Witcher). Then whenever Watchdogs Legions and AC Valhalla come out I will have even more games that I will want to play that I'll never touch XD. And don't even mention Cyberpunk, I hardy have any interest in it and currently don't want to flesh out $60 for a game so I will obviously be pirating it, and since I hardly care about the base game itself, I don't think I'll be to upset about not getting online.
@@mrc2176 will it run better than the paid version..? According to @Lostsprite said
@@Masternaldo Only if the scene group was able to remove the DRM from the game when cracking. Most of the time they just bypass it which means that it's still there, but once in a blue moon they'll remove it, making the game performance even better than the legit copy.
@@mrc2176 RDR2 wasn't cracked by scene, the crack uses an earlier version of RDR2 without the virtual protection scheme, but the other DRM is still in I think, just bypassed like you said.
To be completely honest, I wouldn't even notice if one or more games from my account would disappear suddenly, unless it's a game I'm currently playing.
This is why I love GOG, I may not have a physical copy, but at least I have a digital download which I don't need their loader to play.
12:05 thank you for bringing up that it was thanks to Australia that Steam has a refund policy.
20:46
"Decrease your account level..."
Lol Denuvo's starting to behave like China.
China is a neoliberal corporation's wet dream. They all aim for a system like in China. Not only because it's better for them profit-wise, but also because they want to reach the 1.5 billion Chinese consumers, which is often not possible if they follow rules of democracies or general decency and human rights, because China simply forbids and blocks it. And now idiots voted Biden. A proven full blown neoliberal, who even sells his country to China. It will get MUCH worse from here on forward.
@@cartrips9263 if he can do anything...
Senate has Republicans for the time being...
If they try this game like they did with Obama of being elites about the situation, we might have another Republicans take everything again just like obama's second term...
Some Steam games are DRM-free. They are listed on PCGamingWiki and the Steam Community forums. Some notable examples are:
.Paradox games
.Sega Classics (ROMs in a DRM-free emulator)
.Witcher games
.Aztez
.Batman: Arkham Asylum
.Darksiders 2
.Luftrausers
.Mana Collect
.Risk of Rain
.Super House of Dead Ninjas
.Superhot
.Swindle
.Tooth and Tail
If you buy and download these games, they can be installed to any computer. Even if the computer doesn't have Steam.
I own every game I buy, when I buy a game, I decide I own it, therefor if it's taken away from me digitally, I pirate it instead because I own that game, I paid for it, it's mine.
Great analysis my fellow Aussie mate. Gaming went from being fun & entertaining to game companies killing this fun & restricting your customer rights. The shady practises of these companies need to be called out and shamed.
I missed this channel. one of the very few legitimate pro-consumer YTers out there. well researched video as always.
I don't own the games I bought on steam?? No way... Can't be...
I pay for development, if it shot down I can pirate it, I don't care...
So why don't you simply donate to the devs and pirate their game?
@@snook.1 Most devs don't have means to receive donations.
@@brunoais Exactly. I don't think 'paying for development' and 'purchasing a licence through a third party' is comparable.
@@snook.1 I agree. Unfortunately, that's not how things work nowadays...
@@brunoais Yeah, it sucks. Even games that I've owned for 10+ years (Warcraft 3) can apparently just get a patch whenever that requires me to install a launcher to run it. I had a 283 hour long wait time until I could play a custom game the other week. Great.
It's either "yar har fiddle-dee-dee" or GOG for me.
nice rhyme
Or... you could do this: Buy your games on Steam, but DON'T have Steam download them for you. Instead, go "sail the Seven Seas" to download the games you bought.
@@jeffzebert4982 I had bought alien isolation and soma but never even launched them once trough steam as I played them before
An important video that every gamer needs to see.
Luckily you can just pirate the game if they ever remove it from your library
Imagine getting banned because you used cheats in a single player game
Always for the profit
That's why i shop only from GOG.
Same for me. It's too bad that not a lot of people use GOG.
I shop with none of them. All the games except Witcher 3 I’ve spent no money on GOG. I’ve spent no money on Epic Games as everything in there has been free. I spend no money on Steam since I don’t buy games on PC anymore. Everything on my Origin account was free as well other than Sims 4. I buy games on console. And those games (other than the odd ones) are physical copies so I can sell/get rid as I see fit
I'm glad to have left the console market since 2014, the PC market is better for me; though, I still can't believe the state of the gaming industry that it is in lately. Trying to destroy ownership as much as possible. I used to always buy DVDs from stores, and the feeling of keeping my own copies was always great.
All in all, piracy will never die, long live the pirates!
Tencent sets anti-consumer trends for software. Everyone else follows suit.
Remember when video games were fun? When they were actually playable without nickel and diming the crap out of you? When games were tested and completed before they were sold to the public instead of paying to beta test?
22:30 “The only cheats we allow you to use are the ones we provide. They give you extra currency. They let you skip levels. They’re called: microtransactions.”
Why didn't you mention GOG.com ? And/or compare it to everything else?
That is a good question. He did mention them by name in a few of his previous videos.
Leasing indefinetly does mean leasing for an unspecified amount of time. It's the same thing, indefinetly means not-defined e.g. Unspecified.
It doesn't mean that you keep it forever but I just thought I'd put that out there because putting out statements like that hurts the point you're trying to make.
I'm glad somebody else caught that.
Steam is full of shit. its simple to re-sell games if they cared about gamers. ex: All purchased games come with a license code, So if you want to sell the game, you un-install, agree on a price, get payed, send them to the license code. boom, its removed from your account. Hell they could even limit a codes ability to change owners to maybe 3. So its not abused, since thats what they will say will happen.
The thing that made me realize this was not only did steam discontinue support for old operating systems like windows xp (which is fair enough tbh) but they also actively resist attempts to get it running independently on those systems.
I was told it's the fact that Windows 7 and older don't have security updates anymore, doesn't make it ok of course. I really enjoy fan client extensions of Steam, i think they will become the future for older systems together with compatibility layers.
@@orlandofurioso7329 Windows 8 (note, not 8.1 which still gets updates) and older don't get security updates anymore. But it doesn't really matter, especially when steam hosts games that don't run anymore on modern systems. And some of us like to maintain older systems to run older games better. It should be up to us if we want to entrust our personal security to ourselves.
@@Jackpkmn yeah i agree, i want to like Valve but this is a huge disgrace
@@orlandofurioso7329 It's due to windows 7 (an older) Not supporting the chromium version they're using on the newer versions of steam (not valves fault