"It’s very dangerous here to use roman numerals, isn’t it?" 17th-cent. French Composition Technique

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  • Опубликовано: 3 янв 2025

Комментарии • 10

  • @organist1982
    @organist1982 5 дней назад +2

    4:34 "Noman Rumerals"😅

  • @lawrencetaylor4101
    @lawrencetaylor4101 5 дней назад +4

    I was going to make a comment, but I was pulled over by the You Tube Police. They said I was about to use a Roman Numeral, and they said I was risking Reckless Transcribing. Luckily they let me off with a warning. They didn't do a Breathalyzer, since I had been dabbling in some Augmented Sixths.
    Thanks for putting warnings on your titles.

  • @CodyHazelleMusic
    @CodyHazelleMusic 5 дней назад +1

    I'm interested in the leaps from dissonances at the end of the measure discussed with the F, E C#. There's what seems to be a G7 chord, but leaping down from F to D.

    • @pjbpiano
      @pjbpiano 5 дней назад +1

      Perhaps they were not considering G7 at that point and were simply headed to the dominant chord at the start of the next bar for the cadence.

  • @spcfsu1
    @spcfsu1 4 дня назад +1

    I'm not sure I understand the name of the famous dissonant chord (beginning of the third bar)... What does Johannes Menken call it?

    • @johannesmenke5968
      @johannesmenke5968 4 дня назад +1

      L'accord de la quinte superflue

    • @spcfsu1
      @spcfsu1 4 дня назад +1

      @@johannesmenke5968 Thank you so much!

    • @zakesters
      @zakesters 4 дня назад +1

      @@spcfsu1 Mmm, that's if we want to give it an identity _as_ a chord, but as they discuss a little bit at the end, there's a more "horizontal" way to analyze it, too. In this case, you might think of it as a suspension (of the E in the tenor) combined with an appoggiatura (the C# in the treble, itself arising naturally from the linear, chromatic drive in the previous measure--uh, maybe we should call it an "accented passing tone," instead? we probably don't have to be too precise about nomenclature here...) resolving finally on the inverted tonic triad--of course, tantalizingly, the D adjacent to the C# is delayed for a little bit longer actually, and doesn't get an accented beat until the final 4-3 moment at the end of the cadence: that's the really _French_ bit. Now, no one can really know the interiority of long-dead men like Thomelin, but to judge by what I remember from undergrad (when I was learning theory the mainstream way while simultaneously taking continuo with my studio professor,) I imagine the two ways of thinking about it were sort of swirling around inseparable in his mind while his fingers did the work.

  • @LearnCompositionOnline
    @LearnCompositionOnline 5 дней назад

    It can even lead to death 💀