I'm torn about all the tech in DH. On one hand this gives valuable testing for development but on the other hand I would like to see them use a stock bike that anyone could buy. Be the best rider not just have an advantage. The comparison is made often between DH and F1, if the big teams have all the budget for the tech what happens to the samller ones? Although it may not matter since it looks like the UCI wants to push them out anyway.
disc covers; they have been around for years and are available online to download and 3D print yourself! I use mine in the winter; I added four front vents into mine and a long, skinny one at the rear for disc cooling in CAD! They work well, though they are ugly, but they stop the muck from getting into the system, as well as small stones and grit. They reduce squeal in the rain a lot, not completely, but it doesn't happen nearly as much when they are on the raw disc.
I would love to try a front brake cover on my Ohlins fork and I am looking at the available mass dampers and if F1 banned them that means they work well. I have been running sprung mass dampers on my 1/27 scale RC race cars for about a year with excellent results. P.S. I never change damping settings for climbs...
Wow, it's not often you get to witness someone like Rider65 being confidentially incorrect. The tech has a place in all racing. Every single time any new tech comes out in any racing series people grab their pitchforks.
No but if you ever road a free coaster and went to pedal and almost lost your footing that's how it feels when you go to pedal from standstill sometimes. It doesn't affect climbing even when you do a backpedal somehow
@@ChampyOnPC not the same thing. On devices like ochain or sidekick, you always have a set angle of free movement. On the other hand low engagement is dependent on the angle. When your wheel is just after a „click” you will have the „full” low engagement free movement, but when you’re just before a „click” then you literally have instant engagement and no free movement - hence sometimes it works and sometime it doesn’t. In race you need consistency, and you want maximum advantage, not lottery on when will it engage with kickback and when it’ll give you flawless suspension. Then it’s the matter of angle - i don’t think any low engagement hub can give you such big of a free angle like the e13 sidekick anywhere (IIRC 19 degrees)
Wow - This vid has almost all of the bike tech I care the least about packed in together!😅 Well- presented, of course. But for me, all these bits of tech work to take the human factor out of the biking experience. Maybe they could invent a 'human damper' next?
Well if these new DH tech isn't what your after let us know what is - this one was very DH race specific - in the past we've chatted about everything from flat bar gravel to Hardcore hardtails to how tough DH is - but let us know what tech you're really into and we'll dive into! Cheers Owen
I can see why you might say that - but hear me out - you can't buy a current F1 car - maybe you can get close to Rally car off the shelf - but if DH is the F1 of off-road bikes - and I believe it is - then being able to buy an actual raced this year DH race bike is pretty close to being able to buying the equivalent to an F1 car. Cheers Owen
Will we end up with different classes of racing for bikes with different levels of tech? Trickle down technology is great benefit for the average rider but is all this tech just aiding to the eye watering cost of bikes?
saw a quick review on tuned mass dampers and it seems they soften the handlebar shocks which is great news if you experience shoulder hand arm pain on rough terrain I can totally see an electronic adaptative suspension being great in racing while it has little point for recreational just slow down and turn your knobs or stop and change your rebound settings if you want to (you can do that while riding on fox floatx or the dps-likes only the fork rebound is inaccessible while sitting at fox, I did that all the time last time I rented an emtb with random rock shox as long as there are clicks it's easy to do you can count them and don't need to look at them
MTB tech i want to hear more about is tires and their composition. Comparisons against Maxxis, BFG, and Continental ( please use the most similar tires to each other, like Kryptotal compared to Minion as a example ). id like to know which is the best all rounder that works good in a mix of terrain from wet and slick to hard compact. Tires are costly and id like not to spend 300- 400 on tires just experimenting Lol.
Waiting on Fox neo becoming subscription based like live valve next! That might be whare Ohlis comes in with more knowledge and let the algorithm run free!
What was your favourite bit of MTB Tech from the 2024 Downhill race season?
The new grip x2 damper. Wider adjustment is very welcomed
Fox 40s in Gold. It may not be tech but they do go 14.7% faster...possibly 😅
on today's episode of lots-n-lots-n-lots
Did we deliver on that promise?
How much coffee to be this hyped about bike parts? Love the energy
Owen is always super hyped about bike parts😂 Great to hear that!
Only a cup or maybe two - glad the energy come through!
Cheers
Owen
It's like a slipper clutch that started in MotoGP and then trickled down to street bikes. That's how my mind sees the O-chain / Rimpact devices.
7:20 it’s the end of an era. Greg is the GOAT.
I'm torn about all the tech in DH. On one hand this gives valuable testing for development but on the other hand I would like to see them use a stock bike that anyone could buy. Be the best rider not just have an advantage. The comparison is made often between DH and F1, if the big teams have all the budget for the tech what happens to the samller ones? Although it may not matter since it looks like the UCI wants to push them out anyway.
disc covers; they have been around for years and are available online to download and 3D print yourself! I use mine in the winter; I added four front vents into mine and a long, skinny one at the rear for disc cooling in CAD! They work well, though they are ugly, but they stop the muck from getting into the system, as well as small stones and grit. They reduce squeal in the rain a lot, not completely, but it doesn't happen nearly as much when they are on the raw disc.
Mate the more things change the more go the same, the disk brake covers where a thing in the late 90’s T.h.e did them!
Yep I remember them well - I didn't have a set - but I did have a THE fender!
Cheers
Owen
I would love to try a front brake cover on my Ohlins fork and I am looking at the available mass dampers and if F1 banned them that means they work well. I have been running sprung mass dampers on my 1/27 scale RC race cars for about a year with excellent results.
P.S. I never change damping settings for climbs...
That Pivot looks rad - dream DH bike
16:05 Did you mean slopeduro? That's already a thing.
I may be wrong but I think GT used to have a kickback damper built into the bottom bracket on their old IDrive downhill bikes .
Wow, it's not often you get to witness someone like Rider65 being confidentially incorrect. The tech has a place in all racing. Every single time any new tech comes out in any racing series people grab their pitchforks.
No music please
on that o chain thing, doesnt that just make a nice quick engagement hub feel like a low end low POE hub?
No but if you ever road a free coaster and went to pedal and almost lost your footing that's how it feels when you go to pedal from standstill sometimes. It doesn't affect climbing even when you do a backpedal somehow
Help me understand something.
Why use o-chain and why not use a low-engagement hub? Wouldnt that give you the same results? #AskGMBNTech
@@ChampyOnPC not the same thing. On devices like ochain or sidekick, you always have a set angle of free movement. On the other hand low engagement is dependent on the angle. When your wheel is just after a „click” you will have the „full” low engagement free movement, but when you’re just before a „click” then you literally have instant engagement and no free movement - hence sometimes it works and sometime it doesn’t. In race you need consistency, and you want maximum advantage, not lottery on when will it engage with kickback and when it’ll give you flawless suspension. Then it’s the matter of angle - i don’t think any low engagement hub can give you such big of a free angle like the e13 sidekick anywhere (IIRC 19 degrees)
Wow - This vid has almost all of the bike tech I care the least about packed in together!😅 Well- presented, of course. But for me, all these bits of tech work to take the human factor out of the biking experience. Maybe they could invent a 'human damper' next?
Well if these new DH tech isn't what your after let us know what is - this one was very DH race specific - in the past we've chatted about everything from flat bar gravel to Hardcore hardtails to how tough DH is - but let us know what tech you're really into and we'll dive into!
Cheers
Owen
Greg Minaar won on 2003 in Lugano Switzerland his first DH race riding for Haro Lee Dungarees
You said "lots" quite a lot.
lots of lots...
Sorry - maybe I should have stuck to just the one coffee!
which bit of DH tech was the most intriguing for you?
Cheers
Owen
That Pheonix is in danger of being good value too, non-stupid Pivot pricing, didn't see that coming! I will be keen to get one next year.
A pivot push bike isn't equivalent to an F1 car 😂
I can see why you might say that - but hear me out - you can't buy a current F1 car - maybe you can get close to Rally car off the shelf - but if DH is the F1 of off-road bikes - and I believe it is - then being able to buy an actual raced this year DH race bike is pretty close to being able to buying the equivalent to an F1 car.
Cheers
Owen
Greg Minaar rode Haro in 2003.
Haro Lee dungarees. I think he was rode for this brand in 2003, when he won his first world cup
Will we end up with different classes of racing for bikes with different levels of tech? Trickle down technology is great benefit for the average rider but is all this tech just aiding to the eye watering cost of bikes?
saw a quick review on tuned mass dampers and it seems they soften the handlebar shocks which is great news if you experience shoulder hand arm pain on rough terrain
I can totally see an electronic adaptative suspension being great in racing while it has little point for recreational just slow down and turn your knobs or stop and change your rebound settings if you want to (you can do that while riding on fox floatx or the dps-likes only the fork rebound is inaccessible while sitting at fox, I did that all the time last time I rented an emtb with random rock shox as long as there are clicks it's easy to do you can count them and don't need to look at them
I haven't seen Anna in a while--is she alright?
Currently appearing in adds for multitools not in GMBN kit.
Went to work with Doddy at Mondraker?!😅
@@paulsymons562 sick which tools, asking for a friend 😅
#quiz - oh a cheeky one first WC win was as a Junior on a Orange 222. But for Elites it was a Haro Branded Intense M1.
Harmonics & Auditory Vibrations.
MTB tech i want to hear more about is tires and their composition. Comparisons against Maxxis, BFG, and Continental ( please use the most similar tires to each other, like Kryptotal compared to Minion as a example ). id like to know which is the best all rounder that works good in a mix of terrain from wet and slick to hard compact. Tires are costly and id like not to spend 300- 400 on tires just experimenting Lol.
Intense Cycles M1, witch it was a special modified for him.
Waiting on Fox neo becoming subscription based like live valve next! That might be whare Ohlis comes in with more knowledge and let the algorithm run free!
Greg Minnaar: Kaprun, Austria's 2001 UCI World Cup on a Hero.
TEAM G-CROSS HONDA
ICONIC
Love new tech but a steel frame with a pinion gearbox would be perfect
Ty. Agree
B58!!!
Honda
yey
They best not rob bdog again
Dont be so much affected.
That hair...a bit distracting.
Sorry I'll try and keep it in check for the next show!
Whats your favourite tech from the DH races this year?
Cheers
Owen
Brake covers. MX/Dirtbike tech... (yet again 😂)
It's cool to see them being used in DH though, do you think they offer the same benefits?
mx theyre for keeping the rotor straight, cycling theyre for the 0.01 watt aero savings
@@blubug768 Yeah no. Aero on DH! LMFAO
@@gmbntech Yes, I do. Time proven in db/mx. At Dh speeds, yes emphatically yes.