Are We Playing TEKKEN 8 Yet?
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2024
- In this video I go around practice mode like a lost puppy trying to figure out what it means to play Leo in a tekken 8 way, watch on as I try and pave the tekken 8 way in the lab
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I feel like I've started to hit a little bit of a wall with Leo because of the things you've described. What I've realized is that Leo has a really hard time opening people up, which is ironic considering their mix tools. Throwing low after low after low, gets so boring! Leo's a fun character, but I've started playing other characters because it's like I'm just following a flowchart.
The biggest things I've been doing though is making sure my opponent is at the wall as fast as possible and stays there. Lightning glare, for me, is mandatory! Especially for Leo's hellsweep, as it does a lot of damage and wall splats. On top of that, instead of using f2,4 into dash, I like to throw out b1+2 on block or f3+4 to frame trap. Last thing, throwing out a random BoK is underestimated. You either launch because they push buttons, BoK 3 to continue the offensive, or full crouch to force a 50/50. Overall, I've been playing Leo as a counter character, rather than a mix character; keeping at arms length looking for the whiff or CH, only getting agressive when I feel it's appropriate.
Maybe what I said is helpful, mayhe not, but either way, keep fighting! I genuinely feel like this character is very good, they just take a lot of work.
I agree with the last bit, Leo is good, and I just think people need to shift their mindset a bit when it comes to Leo as a character. Maybe Leo‘s mix is a little dull but the whiff punish and CH game is next level. You can mix people up a ton after you’ve gathered a lot more respect with FC mix and lightning glare wallsplats, changing your timing on mixups by dash blocking at the opponent much like wavu mixups. Leo is a solid character. People just need to throw tier list talk out the window because that only really effects top level of play. Just because something requires more work/more learning doesn’t mean it’s bad.
As salty as it sounds, I don't think the problem is YOU not playing Tekken 8 Ritchie, I think the problem is LEO is not a Tekken 8 character.
The key to victory in tekken 8 seems to be "Enforce your mix-up before your opponent can enforce theirs"
Characters like Drag, Reina, Azucena, Victor can dominate the channel and force you into mix with ease.
The Mishima's are able to enforce a full mix from range 2 with hell-sweep, demon paw and electrics. (And also feng with this +on hit low and heat engaging mids)
Even Lars is now getting in on the action with DEN 3.
I'm supposed to compete with these tools in neutral with QCF 1/QCF 2,1 mix? HA!
Leo used to be able to control space and keep the fight at a preferred distance and even when they lost their turn, there were many option to win it back.
But now there IS no space control in Tekken 8 (By design) and we all know defensive options have been intentionally crippled.
Long story short, Leo doesn't have the tools required to play "long-range-missile offense" so will spend most match ups at high level, dealing with their opponent's pressure rather than enforcing their own.
At least that's been my experience now that I'm exclusively playing against players in the 240,000 Tekken prowess range.
I do think that it's enough noting Leo's range game compared to other characters to warrant a buff -- but your argument also draws my attention to their while running moves.
f, F+3 (optional BOK) is VERY good. f, F+4 as well, and though it needs setup, f, F+2 is still my favorite move of Leo's, and it grants lightning.
You're right -- the CD mix-up is falling short in the face of other characters. But I think that might be a hint that we have to start paying attention to the other tools we have from range. Even if our range feels short, it's not so short that we don't have good counterpokes. Going first is VERY good in Tekken 8, but winning first with a CH is even better.
He's gonna wait for more characters to come out. The game is literally under development. Lots of patches are coming. Most of all why play a character that someone else is waay closer to mastering when you can get your hands on a new character you actually like and lab tf out of them
@@CrystalxKyuubi ff3 is ass. It's super slow and linear.
Agree. This game is all about mix-up, true 50/50 mixup. Mechanics, distance managing, jab, ... who cares. Run in and do your mixups -> profit
@@CosmicVoid420 It's slow because it's far-ranged and it's linear because the BOK you get out of it is 0/+10d. So, it's safer than its startup implies and that's night and day for what you can do out of the usual BOK options.
People talk about linearity like it murders moves. D2 is linear, but it's invaluable for pressure. The opponent can move. So can Leo. Knowing when they will is just part of choosing your move.
Azucena's still cracked though. I don't personally struggle with the other three but I'll give them the better range game.
I love this character, but with all of the op things characters like dragonuv, azucena and reina can do, I feel like there's something missing with Leo. Just a thought.
Feel the same but I gotta be patient cuz Leo is really my secondary Im waiting on a Muay Thai focused character to come about so hopefully next DLC or I’ll be waiting again lol
Its LEss like Leo is missing something and more that BS exists that should not be a thing IMO
@@Dango9001 ur right, everything seems super plus, and it's hard, even when u practice, to know when to sidestep or parry, because they can chain together so many moves and abuse plus frames. The game is fun and I know it will get better.
also, movement doesn't feel too rewarding in this game. I was watching fightinggm and he's right when he says "it's go ham or go home". U can try to learn Tekken properly, but u gotta learn how to play Tekken 8
Lowkey wish Leo had a grab in one of his stances but then he’d be way too powerful with that😂😂😂
Nina's db1+2 being an i11 heat engager is crazy
Honestly the more I play, it just feels like Leo can’t compete in the Tekken 8 meta right now. I’m just crossing my fingers that the top picks get nerfed in the next patch or the lower tiers get some love
always great to hear your musings richie and nice to see that you're still approaching the game with a positive attitude even though its often not much fun!
Appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this. I'm a new Tekken/fighting game player and started playing Leo on release so it can sometimes leave me feeling uncertain on how in-tune my perspective is on things like this. I've heard another Tekken content creator mention that they think it's busted that Leo has the rising heat engager and I immediately groaned a bit as I remember all the times I use it and how I often don't get much out of my heat when I use it that way, oddly I get better results when I use it after I've already expended my heat prior. Watching gameplay of other Leo's I see them not using it even when it would seemingly be the best punish option but it seems like they're really just trying to save their heat. As I practice I want to do more focus on gaining and utilizing LG like you said.
Always appreciate your content 🙏
I feel like the game has been a bit extra stressful because I still I need to build a muscle memory and understanding to handle everyone else's offense, and when doing this it makes it hard as well to build a good and consistent offense.
Leo has 20 bad matchups so your punishment has to be optimal and save that heat
20 bad matchups is crazy🤣
Ah, so I am not the only one running into a bit of a wall. It sounds like everyone is experiencing some kind of frustration, which is kind of comforting knowing it wasn’t just me lol. I sort of feel like Leo has a harder time competing with the other characters.
Lets talk soon Richie! I was also thinking this through first 2 weeks while under coaching from Speed. Thinking about Leo T8 offense. How its gotta flow into eachother rather than abrupt gaps with -9 oB stuff and etc.
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Also while I do find myself in situations where I'm heatless and the opponent can just Burst a lot, I think leo having b1+4 to threaten against heat bursts is a good boon in those situations. Getting a launch of b2,1+2 off of that feels like a genuine punish for burst which i feel like is pretty hard to do consistently.
It's not an easy answer to apply, but it's a nice tool alongside some of their other CH lows.
Nina has an i11 wall splatting heat engager, and in heat she gets like 50-55 damage i14 standing and i13 WS punishers that wall splat from a huge distance. Came to mind when you mentioned Feng and Xiaoyu having i13 heat engagers.
The ws4,1+2 thing is definitely a bummer, but I do like how unique of an advantage it is to have an 11f heat engager. Even if it's from crouch!
You can do things similar to Feng and Xiaoyu but off of basically any low punish, spending heat dash for 50ish damage. That sort of punish off of a -11 low is kinda insane. An 11f move into dash is pretty nuts even on block, force a +5 situation very easily.
Obviously though, that's not as easy to apply as those other characters. Very situational, and I definitely agree Leo doesn't stack up with the top tiers. But in a game where low parries are nerfed I think the ability to blow people up for lows like that is really nice, unique too.
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thank you! :D
I'm hoping that they give Leo the option to crouch dash after ws4 one day
If Leo is stuck in Tekken 7 then Bryan still in Tekken 6 xD
My one new thing i found was f3 into knk is +2 on block if they mash high or df1 free launch only way to beat it is a down jab. Fun for ranked.
This game is a response to alot of the feedback from t7. And also a perfect example of what you get when you go.. "eyy let's not nerf characters" instead buff everyone. This is that kinda game u get. And now you see how people feel when they get what they ask for.
That's why it's not always good to listen to ur fanbase all the time.
Ps. T8 fun af and I injoy it alot. A few adjustments the game will be goated in my eyes.
Real I’m glad there are some people who actually can see the light when it comes to this game. Everyone is complaining and whining about trivial things that just feel like skill issues
@@stairwaytoriven3823 facts. Its good to know im not the only one. It could be sooo much worse. It hurts to see how ungrateful people have become. Im happy the game even exists. And it will change over time. Im just enjoying the ride. Have fun with it. Everyones nutty rn.
@@Ock_mantis yeah fr, it’s a lot of fun. Most of these changes everyone just wants their char to be super op so they can get easy wins and feel validated. For whatever reason In a game like Tekken of all IP’s they expect it to not be hard to play. Most people are probs getting dumpstered and wanna feel like they aren’t the problem LOL game is fun, feels fairly balanced, most games I lose or win it feels deserved no matter the outcome, I just have to improve or learn a matchup more and then higher ranks are within reach. Kinda pathetic how the community has tanked to this much of a low.
@stairwaytoriven3823 yea, it's the same old story. Same things gonna happen with t9 and everything els in between. It's a endless cycle. What's annoying is everyone knows this. Yet still like clock work here we are again. I just try my best to stay away from the internet most of the time. Or just shake my head and keep doing me frfr. And hope namco doesn't listen to the wrong people.
Had a mirror match against a Leo wearing this same costume!
They beat my ass too lmao
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I tried Leo because of you 😂 I couldn't win any game so I went back to dumb characters.
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I'm taking a break until the after-EvoJP patch.
Today I found out if we were playing Tekken 8 hehehe
I feel like Leo needs more plus frame moves to really really be up there with the OP characters. Especially when not on the wall his D2 and BOK3 should be more plus I feel. What do you think?
Top char should just be nerfed. Leo is fine, most other characters are fine. There are just more clearly defined strengths and weaknesses in this game.
Honestly only drag, Azucena and king should be changed tbh. Everyone else is fine
Leo was perfect on t8 release
Knk 4 is supposed to be homing?? Not in my games unfortunately :(
what’s going on RUclips
i am so bad at Leo
I like the game overall. Tekken has always been about utilizing your tools as best you can, and the heat system is just another tool to use. Sure, it's a little bit much in some aspects but it's not like we won't get more patches or adapt to the game more. Using heat wisely is what separates mashers from good players, I think. As far as balance goes, we just need to trim down a few characters and we're much better off. It's not like the entire game is ruined at all levels. Unbalanced characters are just part of the lifecycle of a game. I also think it's good to not play the game every day and take it casually, most people I see complaining a lot are on way too much. It's game, have fun, take breaks, don't take it too seriously. This is easier if you're not a streamer where Tekken is your livelihood.
Everyone can agree that some characters need toning down, but the balance team doesn't seem to see it that way. They stated they intend on buffing weaker characters rather than adjusting the absurdly overtuned ones.
@@abeetmameet do you have a link to where they said that? I've heard that mentioned but I can't find it anywhere, and I highly doubt everyone will end up being feng/drag. They've already nerfed Azucena a bit.
It always funny to me when people say to play less in order to have fun with the game
I'm here from the other side of the fence. I'm a Kishin Steve and I cannot beat Leo to save my life. What am I missing? I'm here to learn.
That's tough matchup for you IMO, not even sure why but I have a much easier time against Steves than other characters
Leo is hella good. Steve can beat Leo just fine though, but you need to make sure to put Mids on the table like Down Forward 1 over and over again. Rocket Launcher isn't a good Mid to harass Leo with in tight positions unfortunately because her low stance where she does a teardrop forward goes under it and her Down Back 4 goes under it consistently, so it's better to go with a faster, scoopier, and more conservative Mid Check.
Staying locked in on Back 1, and 1, 2, 1 is exactly what Leo wants you to do, so make sure to save those up for the right time rather than having those as constant options. You can harass with Down 2, 1 because Leo wants that While Standing 4, 1+2 and Down 2, 1 you have to Low Parry because it's a Low Mid String, so it skews the Leo Players defensive responses.
Leo is a good character, so just try your best to get the small Block Punishes on Down Forward 2 and Hopkick and stick and move. Jab, Sidestep. Down Forward 1, Sidestep. Leo is strong, but she has some Linear attacks to take advantage of so make sure you're playing 3D. Good luck 🫡
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What's going on RUclips
I’m very tired of this narrative that Leo is some bad character with lacking tools because to me Leo seems fine. Obviously could use some QOL stuff but the game has only been out for a couple months. This type of thing takes time to develop. Let people cook, keep labbing matchups, and just improve. Seeing the endless amount of like.. purple ranks and below complaining as if the character is at fault when it definitely is the user is really annoying. It’s never about “I think Leo needs x,y, and z because Leo’s lacking it”, it’s that “Leo needs it since everyone else has it so why not Leo??” Everyone who seems to consume fg content for tekken atm is just so negative and miserable and refuses to adapt. I’m very tired of seeing it. Not that it matters at all. Leo is not a bad character at all, just play into the strengths of the character and stop coping.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ayt man, if I adapt maybe I’ll get out of purple ranks you right
@@ayorichie was talking abt commenters who have no idea what they’re saying and are purple and below, not you LOL
@@stairwaytoriven3823 oh🤣🤣 my bad
@@ayorichie all good LOL yeah Ive just been getting real tired of tekken spectators/commenters just shouting for buff this buff that nerf this nerf that or that the game is horrible and unenjoyable. I love tekken 8 and have been loving it a lot. Playing Leo as opposed to playing Lee and Steve in T7 and its been so much fun climbing the ranks and just learning more and more about the new system mechanics and pushing my limits as a player. I hope you are able to find that last missing piece that will help expand the lexicon of Leo tech. I Appreciate the vids brotha. much love
I already quit playing man. The game is too unbalanced.
Same, and I agree with the game being unbalanced but I'll come back if they announce Chloe dlc cos matchup knowledge lol, if she's completely gone from the game then I'm probably done with the game xD
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@@ayorichie Hello, I hope you're having a great day :)