Zoom MultiStomp + Sawtooth Wave = A Whole Synth?!
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Although it lost out to the Digitech Polara in my recent reverb shoot-out, the Zoom MS-70CDR's real strength comes from the fact that it's a "multi-effect" in the true sense of the term: you can run multiple different effect algorithms at the same time.
So bearing this fact in mind, and adding to that the wide range of effects it has on offer, I got to thinking: given only the most basic input of a raw sawtooth wave, could you build the rest of a synth using just the Zoom?..
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Lovely! Came for the Zoom, stayed for the combo. Now I need Monologue myself.
I own a Monologue and couldn't be happier with it. That said, all the Monologue contributes to this particular video is a sawtooth wave with a decay-sustain-release envelope -which many synths can give you. I would be curious to know how the same effects would sound with another synth.It may be that the warmth and quality of the Monologue's sawtooth oscillator actually makes a difference. Alternatively, a sawtooth is just a sawtooth...
@@telantas I have a CDR-70 a Monologue, a sub 37, a OP-1, a Alesis Ion, a Roland JP-08 and a Herbs and Stone - Liquid Foam. The pedal sounds great on most Saw Tooth patches, and Pad Patches. Like he said the delays in the CDR-70 are pretty great for a under $100 pedal. I wish the CDRs bit crusher, ring mod and more glitch effects were better. But it does "lush" very well.
Wow, impressive! Effects really are the spices when "cooking sounds". For the 25 years I am in this music-making-game, I pretty much disregarded effects and concentrated on the sources. This fx seasoning can really push any source into any direction. Makes sound sources way more versatile. Great video, thank you! ☺️
Wow, amazing. Didn't knew this pedal is capable of these things. Most impressive music equipment demo video I have seen here in a long time.
Amazing. You would think that pedal was part of the synth! You can't tell that the pedal is mimicking synth functionality, as it all gels so well together!
This was really helpful in exploring the MS-70CDR and getting a usable patch for it at the end of the process! Thank you for sharing this.
Nice - now I can turn my old Casiotone into a trance-monster 8)
Great demonstration, thank you! I felt a bit overwhelmed when I just got this pedal. But once you start from zero effects and just build them up very consciously, it gives you a lot of control and nearly endless options!
Still great to watch after 3 years, thanks.
great patch osc sink, I picked one of these up a little while ago because there is just so much untapped potential in them ,they're incredibly flexible!
I hope you have fun with it!!
I just purchased this stomp box. The possibilities to create beautiful space sounds are limitless.
Fantastic, great use of effects, really well demonstrated
Freakin brilliant. Should have called this effects unit "Vangelis in a Stompbox"
I just got my MS70-CDR last week and I love what it does for my synths. In the case of your monologue it sort of makes it a paraphonic synth instead of monophonic, for when you want that. Thanks for the video. I'm still learning this thing.
This was my first effects pedal when I switched to hardware. It was cheap and I thought it sounded cheap. But you know what you’re doing, great demo.
Under the hood, MS-50g, MS-70cdr, MS-60b and the G1Xon are all the same engine. The G1Xon includes an expression pedal, drums and a looper but is otherwise the same. The patches are interchangeable. The MS-50g is setup to be the most diversified out of the box but the others can share patches without any problems.
This. Also the bass versions.
Is the G3 better than the MS-70cdr?
Never clicked a video so fast. Thanks os, gave me so many ideas.
Thanks for the click, I'm glad you're feeling inspired!
Excellent video - as usual!
I paired a Boss RV6 with a Dübreq Stylophone Gen X-1 once and you'd be amazed how much that already alters the sound and making it even more massive. Especially if you turn on the sub oscillator of it and add a little bit of its own delay. Adding an effect pedal really almost always values-up an instrument and really makes you realize how essential a multi-effect device is in your little studio.
That was cool! I dig my zoom (g1on) despite some folk pissing all over it - here you've shown how a multi with interesting algorithms can put the punch In a humble waveform. Consider me subbed! Thanks man!
Thank you! Welcome to the channel!
For the price this is hard to beat I run this with my matrixbrute and drumbrute and the sounds you can make are superb.
Ambient,soundscapes,filmscores,space etc etc.
Thanks for the upload that made me decide on giving this pedal a try and glad I did.
These Zoom multi stomps are amazing value...nice review 👍
"Wow" Great pedal , nice demo too!!
Great vid...just got the Zoom..linked it to my Tr8s and Td3 ...Amazeing new world of sounds to explore.
Jim.
Thanks for doing this. I own the Zoom and 99% of the time use the Ice Delay or the Carbon Delay. I clearly need to read the manual😂.
Good news: there's plenty for you to explore!
Dude everyone loves the mojo roller it’s actually kinda crazy.
This is a great demo since you started with a raw wave sound. 👍👍
thanks again for going above and beyond!
odd?, i recorded a synth volca bass creation with the zoom ms 70, basic delay and reverb only and it sounded awful. a dirty, distorted sound and it wasn't my input/recording levels. i retried with my simple donner delay and the results were much better. i'm now finding something dubious about the zoom performance, a lot of the presets are over the top and i think you have to watch out when chaining a few together. whet through most of the effects and didn't like the majority. maybe my synth rates (wobble?) were just totally out of sync with the effects rates although i turned everything down to about half on the zoom. also watched with interest your zoom vs polara shoot out - very revealing! i also had a chorus on my original zoom chain which i turned off before recording because it sounded so bad to my ear. i also have a line select at the beginning of the chain so i can turn everything off quickly. i wonder if that could be the culprit for the grating sound? thanks again.
I've got the newer Zoom and never realized what a gem I had. Was using one effect at a time. Thanks so much.
Definitely get to stacking those effects! I almost always run 2 delays stacked into each other - great for adding rhythmic complexity to a part, especially if you have stereo ping-pong happening!
Thanks for sharing. I recently got a used Zoom MS-70CDR and intend to use it with a synth. I did get the impression that the six stage effects chain could behave like routing through modular boards. You confirmed that this is possible.
It really is a bargain, enjoy it!
Just ordered one to combine with with my non-fx synths including my new Subharmonicon. Great ideas here. Thanks!
Wow why am I just hearing about this pedal? Might have to get a few of these. Great video thanks for sharing
Now I know what to use to break out of the volca keys limitations. Thanks!
Great vid, great pedal. I love running a cheap Casio SA-70 through mine. The reverse reverb effect is an extremely cool way to make a slow attack
I'll recommend this pedal to anyone who will listen, glad to hear you're enjoying yours!
Very cool approach and way of thinking how an something like a Zoom Multi can work.
Thank you!
this is so good and helpful, thanks a lot
I have a Zoom G1on which has similar features and DSP as others have commented. I put my SH01A through it to create a "fake Juno" with the Chorus algorithms. It makes an already massive sounding synth sound even bigger.
I have the SAME combo, the 70CDR is trully amazing
Yup, it's got a lot going for it!
Epic patch-building possibilities on a budget - just my kind of thing...
Great pedal, great vid. Thanks!
Great video, sir ;-) ! An interesting idea, presented with just the right pacing.
Thank you!
Love that sound!
Thanks! This was a fun one to do.
Wow, that's impressive. Great demonstration. You could make a toy synth sound amazing with that.
A little Korg Monotron would be a great candidate I think!
i've got one of these pedals with a casiotone vl-1 and i can testify it's a great combination for some neat battery-powered synth jams on the go. never tried the plate-setting on it though, definitely will be doing that, that sounds enormous, thanks for the tip and great video n__n
Nice concept and execution here! I recently rediscovered my Zoom MultiFX, and am enjoying it. I find its modulations are the best - chorus, phaser, vibe, etc. And the delays, yes. EQ's and boostscare good,
too. OD's and amps are poor. A useful unit! My regret is it's inability to quickly turn on and off separate fx. I MIGHT invest in one of the multi-stomp versions, just to be able to do this! Thanks for the video. I play guitar, BTW.
Babby keeping you up mate or is it the REVERRRRBBB!!? Smart idea, I really like it. That ZTron is so creamy!
It was the reverb. I'm tired now this morning and it's all of my doing.
i love this little blue box. now that you can add distortion it'S even better
Yeah, I need to jump on that!
Nice video on exploring pedal sound design!
Thank you!
Great video. I have one, and like it a lot, but have mostly used it as a “sweetener”. I feel now I need to try making it a key part of a voice.
Thank you, and have fun playing!
I use a boss me20 with my monologue heaps for some reason well it just really sounded good with each other so it was cool to see that the korg goes so well with a multi effect pedal of this kind ps i picked up the me20 for $80 backs in a hock shop.
Great idea, great video.
Thanks friend!
Just got mine, and it's now paired up with my MictoBrute (doesn't work as well with a Boog or a Neutron to my ear).
For some reason the Steiner-Parker filter on the MB just loves the MS-70, nearly every patch complements it beautifully. Possibly because the SP filter is a "nearly there" element always requiring something else to make it more interesting.
Well look no further all you MBruties, this little gem will rekindle your affections and I haven't even started to make my own custom chains yet 😉.
Nice vid again OS, thank you for sharing.
MicroBrute,. Predictive text....grrrhhh.
I've got a mictobrute too! Haven't tried it with that yet though...
@@OscillatorSink You'd never know I'm Irish,
Yours etc,
Mick O'Brute
I wanted to have some distortion too so few months back I bought the Zoom B1Four for my Monologue, it being a mono multiefect for bass. One of the best decisions in my life. I use this for my Minilogue XD.
who downvotes a video like this ???? THIS IS AWESOME... Thanks for your time... and so funny I have that pedal too... I know what I will do later now ;-) thanks for the inspiration.
Have fun! It's a good bit of kit to get creative on!
Fantastic
Nice video. The Zoom G1on is based on the same software and mostly the same effects and it can be picked up used for as little as $35 used. And they also have the G1Xon which adds an expression pedal. Good stuff cheap. :-)
Exellent demo😊😁. I got both, and they're a perfekt match👍👍
"I want a synth and some effects on a budget, what do you suggest?"
*motions in your direction*
Me too! I agree. It was my first monosynth and first guitar stomp box several years ago. Now I have the Moog Grandmother with the Source Audio Ventris and the TC Electronic Flashback X4 Delay and Looper. But I still won't part with the Korg or the Zoom since they sound great and work well with others....
I'm a guitarist who likes to dabble with synthesizers. Out of curiosity, I decided to purchase a ZOOM MS-70 CDR to see what kind of Magic I might be able to make utilizing it along with my old school Novation XioSynth 25. Talk about a match made in heaven. Utilizing the MS-70 CDR took my XioSynth machine from being very cool to begin with, to being EXTREMELY COOL !!!
Reverb is the greatest gift you can give a synth!
The MS-70 CDR even can even arpeggiate. How cool is that ??
Also brilliant with volcas btw
Yup!
I thought you wrote "vocals"...the problem with stomp box reverbs compared to rack reverbs is that they are all 16 or 18 bit and the rack gear is all 24 bit today. Also the A/D and D/A converters don't sound as good on cheap gear. But if the end track or gig sounds good, then these technical matters don't really matter. I use an old 16 bit zoom rack verb because I like the tone of it of it, which has a lot to do with it's converters.
Thanks for this. Great video. I was on the fence with this pedal but this really helped me go for it. By the way you can bypass all the effects at once as well. By simply creating another patch that has no effects eg total thru and just switching to that patch. Much easier if you want to quickly hear what the original source sounds like with nothing applied.
10:40 - Flash Gordon -Queen :-)
we were doing this with stylophones and analog fx pedals way back in the 1970s..
obviously the early digital multifx of the 1990s made it all easier and much more fun...
And cheaper I'd imagine!
@@OscillatorSink Yeah.. the humble cheap stylophone..
you don't know what evil screaming feedback monster really lurks inside until you play one live through a fuzzbox & tape delay, into a 50 watt valve amp and 4x12 speaker cab..
That surprised audiences back when we couldn't afford real synths...
Until the Italians started making cheaper monosynths in the later 1970s...
@@garycrant4511 I have an oldJen synth, it needs a couple of new pots, I should plug it in more, I've just bought an Ampeg 30w cab, cheers
Have you tried the actual synth algos on the Zoom? One for quick percussive sounds and one for various basic waves, monophonic of course. And the bend chorus is fantastic too
Yes, I've played with them a little bit - I think I used one of them on one of my Jamuary jams. And yeah, there are some really fantastic modulation effects.
I bought a MG50 for $40 a few years ago, did 3.0 firmware update when it came out, been using the hell out of it since. Nothing even comes close in the price range. If I could only have one effect only for a desert island, no question this would be it.
@Reg Rock Zoia would be even better. But it’s not 5 times better(550€), that’s for sure.
SOLD!!
Ok...🙌😂....Duh...I didnt realise you can turn each fx on/off in chain😂😂😂...so thankyou!!! Well it definitely beefed up monologue!
TODAY WE DID A LEARN
@@OscillatorSink 😂 yes Jedi Master🙌
Sounds amazing ! Highly impressed, I’m going to experiment with my Zoom, you mentioned in your last video that the zoom doesn’t work well when used from an aux send on a mixing desk, just curious as to why ?
The dry signal is digitised, so there's a micro latency introduced by the a/d stage, so if you are using one of the algorithms that mix in the dry sound, it'll cause comb filtering when mixed in with the original on the send.
This was enlightening. Can make the microfreak HUUUUUGE! Thanks.
Lol, some real 80s sci-fi movie vibes there!
I have the MS-50, but if I see a 70 second hand I'll jump to pick it up.
Like anyone ever sells them... 😑
just download the new 3.0. firmware update. It adds 72 new effects to the ms-50.
These pedals are great. There is one catch to know about when using them live:
They shut down after some time and have to be rebooted hard.
Can be a shock moment when you realize that while getting ready to hit the P.A.
That setting can be turned off. Just disable Power Management in the system settings and you'll be all good!
I bought the Zoom yesterday (version 2.0) and read on the internet that there is a bug in this "new" version that results in the unit powering off by itself! You can download version 2.1 to fix the bug.
Can't wait to try. Its on the way.... 😎👻
Woop! Have fun!
@@OscillatorSink you are somewhat guilty of my GAS.... 😜 first the monologue and now I have a bunch of these stuff... photos.app.goo.gl/JMeo4Wcw4qKj6dTd7 👾👻😎
Seems that Halloween is now a official holiday in a small bavarian village and DHL does not work so good then... And also not Friday because, hey its only one day.... :) Yes I mean Treppendorf DHL! @Thomann's Guitars & Basses ruclips.net/channel/UCtvgPVBJ_r1vjN4mRuHCbog
Awesome! ¡increíble.!
👍
Currently exploring it`s potential as a cue-out` - FX pedal for the Octatrack.
Grabbed it cheap (-20%) from Japan and it was the v2.0 upgraded version with 137 effects units.
That firmware upgrade is killer!
@Sonic Neutronic Still using it with OT?
@@LukezyM No I sold the Octatrack and cant stand the sound of this pedal at all - lol.
I wish these old Zoom pedals (or the new Zoom MS-50G+) had an expression input, then it could really be a center piece in any synth setup.
I find effects a lot more interesting than filters and wave folders in a synth.
Zoom makers should send you check. You just made great advertisement.
What makes you think they haven't already done that? If a video comes off as an advertisement, it probably is.
I can unequivocally tell you that is not the case. I bought the pedal with my own money and have had no contact with Zoom. Am I not allowed to be enthusiastic about the gear I've chosen to buy now?
@@OscillatorSink I guess I'll just have to take your word on that, eh?
@@MFKR696 no, not really, not if you don't want to. But while you're in the business of questioning my transparency and integrity, here's the full run-down:
I have never been paid directly, in cash money, by any gear manufacturer for a video (and given the size of my channel, I very much doubt I ever will).
To this day, the only gear I've featured on my channel that I received gratis from a manufacturer was the Arturia Minibrute 2S and DrumBrute. I detailed that fact in the first video here: ruclips.net/video/_tgRjQghLVE/видео.html and subsequently it's noted in every video description of any video that either bit of gear was featured in.
My Minilogue I received from Korg as payment for a patch pack I created for them for the Monologue. You can find that patch pack here: www.korg.com/uk/news/2019/0322/
That is the sum total of all the engagements I've had with manufacturers and distributors.
Also, just ask yourself the question: why would Zoom engage with a channel with 12k subs to feature a 5 year old pedal?
Not everyone is out to mislead you. Not everyone is a corporate shill. You don't have to be a cynic 100 percent of the time.
@@OscillatorSink Defensive, much? I must have touched a nerve.
I have an MS-50g and I’ve barely scratched the surface (and haven’t even updated the firmware yet!!) These are great pedals for the price (I got mine as a “factory resealed” for just under $90!!) and they’re battery powered. I’ve got a monologue and some Volcas (also battery powered) so you can take these and make amazing sounds anywhere!! Paired with my Roland Go mixer and iPhone I can make videos wherever. The devices are still fairly new to me and I’ve yet to master them to film myself, but soon...
It's DEFINITELY worth updating the firmware. I don't know if it's the same with the 50g, but on the 70 they added a bunch of the premium effects from the ms-100 for free
Definitely upgrade the firmware. It enables using the Effect Manager desktop software for swapping in and out effects. Alas, there isn't enough storage on the pedal to hold all of them at once.
It's not pitch tracking that has "given up" on the Korg; that's aliasing distortion that you're hearing (starts generating weird lower harmonics etc)
This pedal even has a patch emulating the Moog MF-101 Low Pass Filter
Brilliant pedal for the money.
Wow I have a xd and this zoom. I got some work to do by the sound of things!
Try the beringher reverb machine , I think you will like it, very cheap pedal and sounds great on digital fm synths
Thanks for the tip! Noted.
INTERESTING....
Great presentation on this ZOOM pedal. Your videos are very comprehensive indeed! I have been busy creating new patches on my microfreak, do you think using one pedal per synth is the way to go or not? I think this pedal covers all the effects one could ever need. Cheers! 🎹🎶😎
It depends on your set up. It's the way I often end up working, but that's more because don't have a mixer in my setup right now. There is a good argument for a mixer + aux sends (although, as I noted - the Zoom isn't well suited to that role).
@@OscillatorSink Thanks for the input. I use a mixing board and this is what I have done for years. This method works fine, but wanted a second opinion, other than my own. Your right the ZOOM pedal is really inexpensive, and sounds amazing! Love your channel my friend, thanks Expanding Knowledge 🌎∆🎹🎶😎
Will you ever be teaming up the Zoom with an Arturia Microfreak? I am counting on ya mate!!
If I can get my hands on one!
After 30 years of crafting my sound design skills, I realized last year that effects can be 50% of sound design....and so this year I have purchased three Zooms and a Korg Nutekt to add to my sound design. I also a few years ago invested in a stereo graphic equalizer to widen the stereo image of my synths with cut and boost frequency to the left and right channels.
Which equalizer?
@@huli8557 It was a Pyle. I wanted a cheap graphic equalizer so I would get some warm distortion added when boosting all the frequencies. But any brand of EQ would probably be okay.
Nice one....ooooh new synths............??!!??
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i have the same idea with my casio... i like it and subscribe... but my plan is with behringer stompboxes
can you do this with all of zoom gon gxon and mulistomp series, in internet someone make a hack to transfer all effects from all zooms pedals
Pair it with a Korg NTS-1?
A fantastic video; you deserve a new sub - me!
Well, welcome to the channel!
Love the Zoom pedal. Great stuff in this video. My only criticism (of the zoom) is that you can't dial the bpm in by hand. You have to use tap tempo. I just wish they'd added a bpm page.
Yeah, that's a bummer, but if you have an app to convert bpm to milliseconds, you can use the absolute values on the delay times at least.
Do you always leave the modules' I/O levels at default? I've had quite a lot of "gainstaging" problems with the MS-70CDR...
No, I'll often reduce the output if I have multiple modules to avoid digital clipping between them. But it's dependent on the patch.
Everyone poo pooed the effect it sounds nice
Tip: Zoom MS 60 - even better imo., for the wider range of effects (amps, synths, pitching etc)
There's firmware hack to add a ton of effects to the ms70
Should have played Telstar with that sound.
Hindsight is 20/20!
Wow things the instruction booklet does not explain
Can you run different effects through the Left and the Right channels? Eg different effects for 2 different mono sources.
That's an interesting question, there is some (limited) routing you can do, but I think it's more for choosing different paths within the chain, I don't think two chains can run in parallel.
Very nice.. How do you connect the synth to the zoom and then to your monitors. Thank you.
From the synth to the Zoom I use a standard instrument cable (1/4" TS cable). To my monitors - well in this case I take two instrument cables out into my audio interface or mixer, but I suppose you could plug directly into monitors if you wanted.
Thanks mate. Appreciate your answer.
does it beat the "Mod Devices Dwarft"?
does the zoom handle well the level of the synth signal? with not a few pedals you have to dial down which takes the power out of the sound...
Yes, at the input, but when you start stacking multiple effects you need to watch out for digital clipping - luckily every effect has a master volume so you can manage that.
I cover some of the features and answer some frequently asked questions in this video: ruclips.net/video/FR_Dx6iqWAw/видео.html
'and, add some plate...'
*Me*
Which John Carpenter film am I watching?
Suddenly you see the matrix.