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Hyundai IONIQ 5: 10 to 80% DC Fast Charging in Freezing Temperatures
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- Опубликовано: 12 апр 2022
- Hot on the heels of our warm weather DC fast charge test of the new Hyundai IONIQ 5, we had a chance to test the car in freezing conditions... the joys of early spring in Boston!
This video contrasts our results at 70°F / 21°C - watch that one here: • Hyundai IONIQ 5: 10-80... -- with a notably longer session in temperatures around 18°F / 8°C.
The Torque Pro readings offer some insight into how long it takes the battery heater to get the pack closer to a desirable temperature, though we'll need to do more testing to understand whether Hyundai's "Winter Mode" does much to help the IONIQ 5 out when the mercury drops.
Let us know what you think about the results. Is this something Hyundai should prioritize or just an inevitable outcome when trying to DC fast charge a cold-soaked battery pack?
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Good information, nicely presented. For the affordable EVs this is the best option out there so far.
Thanks, we're enjoying it so far for sure.
Nice video. Best comparison I’ve seen of cold vs. warm weather charging of the Ioniq 5. Too many other reviewers either just site the 18 minute figure without mentioning the caveats or conversely just focus the cold weather charging and act as if Hyundai is lying about the 18 minute performance. Appreciate the factual approach.
Cheers Peter, always prefer to lean on the data and let people make their own minds up whether or not it works for them.
Fascinating comparison, really important differences to keep in mind while charging all winter (and early spring in some places!). Thank you for sharing! ⚡🔌🚘
Glad it's useful, thanks for the feedback!
The battery precondition option added in 2023 makes a difference.
I experience 48 kW when I start charging in wnter conditions without precondition.
When preconditioned I get 150 kW out of the blocks.
Hopefully Hyundai will add a manual precondition option in 2024, so that I'm not forced to switch from Waze to Hyundai's navigator to precondition.
I must say, 36/37 minutes in cold temps to 80% isn't bad at all. I still remember the Bolt in cold temps starting at 25kW. That hurt and forget going to 80% if you didn't need it with it. On a good day 80% for the Bolt was 40 minutes. It's still a good car overall, but road trips were a bit rough at time. I very much look forward the doing road trips with the EV6 and look forward to your trips with the Ioniq 5 on here.
Same here, really interested to see how it changes our trip dynamics, solo and with the family in tow. It will still be very similar to the Bolt over 300-400 mile trips, but a quick second and third stop should make all the difference to covering 500+.
Bjorn Nyland has carried out tests and found the problem with throttling doesn't occur if you turn the HVAC off. He suggests turning it off at 40-50% SOC helps if you're sitting in the car and it's too hot to go without A/C for too long.
Great info!! Why OEMs can't get a battery to warm under a variety of circumstances, is beyond me. I hear the Hummer EV has a manual battery heat button in the infotainment..... maybe there's hope for the future 😁
Thanks! Yeah, it seems like either ignorance or deliberate omission by most legacy auto at this point. One caveat is that there's a balance to be made between preconditioning for a faster charge and using up more energy than makes sense before reaching the charger.
A couple of winter Model Y trips by acquaintances in MN and OH show that Tesla's preconditioning makes the charge stops longer than anticipated, so it's a balancing act...but at the moment most non-Tesla options aren't even on the tightrope, so I guess we have to start there!
Just at the Auburn mall yesterday with 70 degree temps. Ioniq 5 battery started at 13% and hit 80% in 17min 13sec. Peaked out at 235kwh. I am sure the coveted 18minute 10-80 charge is attainable.
Perfect, thanks for sharing the session info. Interested to see how it goes on a longer trip with multiple fast charge sessions every 2-3 hours.
My pleasure. I have a 75 mile commute and charge up there and in Chicopee. I’m not good with the video stuff but i was able to record the session and posted it on my f family You tube channel. I use “CarScanner” and the scaling is off on the “BattKWH” and “state of charge” You can DEFINATELY see the jump in power draw and 59 degrees and 68 degrees. I hear that 77 degrees is where you draw the 220KWH rate. That’s actually where the session started. INSANE!. Even in the coldest conditions, always reached 80% in 30 minutes or less.
This great info as I just got my Ioniq 5 and it’s still pretty chilly up here in Canada. What OBD are you using and what phone app pairs with it? Knowing the battery temperature will be very helpful when the weather is cold and possibly hot. I’ll be very interested in your assessment of “winter mode”. Many thx, Paul
Cheers, Paul, glad it helps. The OBD is a Vgate iCar Pro, the Bluetooth LE version. App is Torque for Android, the pro version which can be purchased for $4.99 in the Play Store. Haven't done any tests in high temperatures yet given the time of year, but they'll certainly be coming to the channel once we hit summer travel.
Great job, Steve. 40 F is definitely too cold for a good charge rate.
Cheers Eric. Certainly so and it's interesting to see that the I5 appears to have a pretty similar approach to the Bolt when it comes to conditioning the pack in cold weather, at least for now. Conditioning - or "battery care" as Hyundai terms it - only really shows activity at temps far below freezing, unless the car is fast charging.
And the battery heater activity on DCFC will eventually help the fast charge rate of both, but it takes a good 15-20 minutes at least to make that happen.
So as not to incur any fees at all when charging is needed for more than 30 minutes, just unplug, and then start a new free 30 minute session. I realize this was a testing video,
but in the future you may want to do what I stated - hopefully you already knew this option. Good video.
Thanks! Yes, I've seen it mentioned on the forums... feels like it' will be addressed by EA in the long term as there's supposed to be a 60 minute interval between sessions. For now, I might give it a whirl for "science" but presume most sessions will be under 30 minutes anyway, now that we're hitting warmer temperatures.
Steve - seeing the thermal throttling that a warm battery does, I’d be inclined to use the 150 kw chargers unless you’re in a real hurry. With that free EA charging, how many Steve trip miles this year? Love the new car - congrats!
Thanks Dennis. Given the prevalence of 150kW stations and the minor difference in time to 80% (should be 25 mins vs 18 mins, in decent conditions) I think you're probably right. Same if we're at a higher state of charge or just have more time to kill. Definitely planning several trips to test that this year (and no lease restrictions to hold us back!)
Nice review, and we're getting the crazy spring weather in MN too - it's currently snowing 🌨️
Curious what software do you use to edit videos?
Thanks Allan. In Ohio right now and I think we're about to get that snow as well... thankfully there's a garage in which we can hide the car, which isn't an option back in Boston!
I use Davinci Resolve for the videos. Still learning, but it's free and if you get into it, Casey Faris has a bunch of user-friendly tutorials on RUclips to get started.
@@plugandplayEV awesome thanks! Stay safe and warm out there. Cheers 🍻
I just want an EV lol. I love the look of the Ioniq 5!
Ha, I know the feeling from waiting on our first Bolt! I see you in a Mach-E GT for some reason... probably because the Mach-E was one of your first videos I saw.
@@plugandplayEV I’d love to be in a Mach-E! I’d be in the Cali Route 1 if I go that route. Being in Montana, range is priority for me over performance. Also, that GT would get me in trouble lol
That was not too bad and will only get faster once Hyundai improves the battery preconditioning.
Your Bolt under those same conditions would have taken "a bit" longer :)
Well, more time in the Bolt for coffee drinking and contemplating life, the universe, and everything... it's a "feature"!
Do you work in marketing by chance 😂
I do find it fun and interesting to talk to people at charging stations (since one has a bit of time to kill).
Not something I would do at a gas station.
Not an expert on this car, but IIRC the “winter mode” does nothing unless temps are below -15C
We've seen a few different reports between -5 to 15C, as well as various suggestions that an upcoming software update will activate more pack conditioning options. Unfortunately, can't do much more testing now but hopefully Hyundai will give more specific guidance by next winter.
The faster charge rates are essential, the owners of the newer EVs are going to resent us old slow charging Bolt owners soon.
I hope everyone can work together to make best use of a relatively scarce resource during the transition. If we're in our Bolt, I'll try to use the last powerful charger and head out at the earliest comfortable state of charge. In the I5, I'll accept that the difference between 350kW vs the more common 150kW option is only 5-10 minutes extra and still plenty quick.
Wishful thinking, perhaps, but it's going to take a year or two for the infrastructure to adjust to and match this new wave of EV adoption.
Hopefully the Ionic 5 and EV6 will get a software update to allow for en-route pre-conditioning....
Certainly hope so. It's navigation-based and they're already enabling OTA for that system (albeit via a massive initial file download/USB dongle install), so it seems like the pieces are in place... 🤞
Steve, I noticed you plugged in, then turned the car ON when you got inside. You confirmed to me you can leave the Bolt ON when you plug in. Is this correct?
Yes, we rarely turn the Bolt off to charge if we're staying with the car. Can't recall why it was off here... possibly resetting the connection to Torque Pro. I'll make a note to check the next time we fast charge.
So, ~18 minutes in warm weather and 2x that in cold? Still not bad. Is there a way to preheat the battery?
I think you reported max rate of 235kw in warm weather, but in cold weather it was about 140?
Yes, though the 235 kW only held for about 15-20% of the charge. Average charge rate around 175 kW for the session was still excellent though.
Re. preheating, there's a "Winter Mode" which is supposed to assist performance and charging in very cold weather, but no specific numbers from Hyundai. The general consensus seems to be that the minimum temperature that activates it is so low that it doesn't make a difference for most users.
Hopefully this is just their first pass and software will be adjusted to give drivers more options by next winter.
Do you get the membership discount for the minutes you go over 30?
No, I actually used a second account to register and track the IONIQ 5 charging. Totally overlooked the pricing after 30 minutes but we'll rarely need to think about that again until November now 🤞
Hey Steve, you’ve done 1-100% charge test on the Bolt EV but what’s the time commitment for its 10-80%? The original literature from Chevy said something like 30 mins to get 100 miles of range. Is that accurate on the Bolt EV and how long to get 100 miles of range on the HI 5?
The 10-80% in that session was just over an hour, with the average charge rate 43 kW. So almost 4x faster and greater power (average to 80% in the Hyundai was 175 kW).
100 miles being a moving target, it's accurate from GM if you take the EPA range average of 3.9 mi/kWh. Our session to 100% added ~25 kWh in the first half hour, which would get you around 100 miles at EPA. On a highway road trip in the Bolt, though, it would be 10-15 miles off.
Same applies for the HI5 but if it's adding around 3 kWh per minute in good conditions, 10 minutes for 100 miles seems about right for the AWD version. And Hyundai quotes 68 miles in 5 minutes as its stat for the RWD version.
@@plugandplayEV geez, it's not even close between the two. Ten minutes in the HI5 will fly by and getting 100 miles back in return sounds like a good deal. Checking my own charge log, I got the equivalent of ~75 miles in 17 minutes on my last session and that seemed pretty quick but I wouldn't mind shaving another 5 minutes off that.
What app are you using and device?
It's called Torque for Android, the Pro version for about $5. Hooks up to the phone via ODBII dongle.
@@plugandplayEV thanks what dongle do you use?
No probs. Dongle is the Vgate iCar Pro, Bluetooth Low Energy version. Have also used a Veepeak version in our Bolt which works fine too.
The only problem with these cars is you can't buy one...so what's the point???????????????
The satisfaction of the hunt?!
@@plugandplayEV so much time hunting… ugh…
its ok, but not as efficient as they all claim. all mfgs. overrate and lie about their cars range and charging speed. just so they can make you think its great so you can jump and buy it.
It really depends which manufacturer and how it's framed. The EPA range number is a mixed test that can both overstate and understate an EV's range.
For example, the Porsche Taycan has a relatively poor range of 225 miles by the EPA numbers, yet frequently posts results 50+ miles above that in reality. Take a Tesla, though, and you'll rarely see the maximum range that is claimed. In our Bolt, we'll get 210-220 miles on the highway but 300+ miles below 50mph, so the 269 mile EPA number is either optimistic r pessimistic, depending on the use case.
Like MPG numbers, if driving style and conditions don't match the testing, the real world number could be significantly different.