Cobb-Vanth the Talon pilot here! This was an awesome thing to witness! I heard there were pirates at smo-18 so I came in to check, didn't know the AVS was notified :D Sadly I got the invis bug after Avenger 22's kill on me XD (found out when a pirate mantis landed on me when I returned to the site and we both exploded), no fun/honor getting kills invis. I got so inspired by the AVS' response to Smo-18 distress call that I camped that area to essentially give cargo hauler's a chance. Earlier this morning there was an M2 loading up gold in smo-18, I then waited there with my Talon, as soon as the m2 lifted an eclipse came on radar, I intercepted the missile and chased out the eclipse after damaging its wing. The thrill of helping someone else and actually suceeding was so awesome. Will def practice more and camp pirated space. o7
@@s7r49 It really depends on the server, if its been running up for awhile and its tanking, sometimes relogging works/logging out from launcher/verify then login works. But if the server is its on last legs sadly there is no fix.
Mate and I (Arrow and Gladius) had a stand off with a Mantis, Tana, Gladius and Hawk at SM0 - 18 before they reaslised the game was up and went to 22. By sheer dumb luck we went there next and upon realising the mantis was spooling up with a C2 on the pad we kicked into gear. Warned the C2 and lept on the Mantis as the priority. One brawl later C2 mate it out home and free.
friend or foe system really just needs to be implemented. even if they later on take it away again to transfer it to a command ship role to make the tags.
@xWerkingx Why yes I would. I get the feeling we cargo haulers will need as many anti-pirate organizations to call upon as possible.
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"In 1972, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them....maybe you can hire The A-Team."
I love your videos so much man, i’ve been getting back into star citizen recently and been having so much fun with me and my brother. But the way you talk about the game and combat is so informative and easy to follow, i love it. Also the vision you have for the game is one i completely agree with I want pirates to be a big part of the game and i want a lot of this game to be, the way i think you look at it, realistic. So you have to really think of all the outcomes and strategies for different game loops and such. All that to say i hope you never stop making videos like these.
I have to agree, as a trader myself, when getting camped by pirates, don't be afraid to announce your location and ask for help in global chat! (along with enemy count and ship types) You'd be surprised how many "good guys" will come and deal with the pirates. Of course, there's always the chance those "good guys" are actually pirates themselves but that's the risk you take in trading. I'm absolutely terrible at ship combat in SC so I mostly stick to hauling. That being said, I get thrilled going to MT in my C2, without escorts, and basically creating spur of the moment content for PVPers. I think it's actually pretty cool to watch a fight going on from the ground. Sure, there's always a chance of losing my haul, but frankly, I'd say I only encounter pirates perhaps 1 out of 10 times I land at an outpost. So I make enough money hauling to cover any losses I might incur. Knock on wood, that has yet to happen honestly, but I also don't fly completely reckless. Oh, and I know it's just a bit of a nit-pick but coming from a C2 trader, SMO-10 does not sell gold as stated in the vid. Its attraction is that it does however have a nearly endless supply of Beryl, which can be bought quickly and sold for a profit of about 350k per C2 load. No long waits on server ticks like you do for gold at the other locations.
I can see into the future and know are gonna run different brands of the squadron: something like "Avenger Sheriffs" for helping against pirates and "Avengers Reposession Group" that acutally pirate stuff alongside the obvious bounty work.
I love your content. You bring up advice, you bring it with kindness too. Im not so kind, but stand with what you say, bring friends, prepare, plan, have a backup plan, this is not a risk free zone. SC would be dead in the water without bounty hunters and pirates. Lets keep SC like no other, keep it real, keep it raw! flysafe
Glad you busted Cutlet, he and his gang camps at SMO-18 all day. All your advice is true yet as a 1 or 2 man hauler ship it is practically impossible to defend yourself, if you're jumped asking for help will not always lead to people supporting you, and people will ask for payment which will often be more than surrendering your freight to the gangsters. SC still lacks the proper rock/paper/scissors balance and mechanics to leave more than one option when pirated. Right now, a single hauler is hands down toast, and even with a wingman it often isn't enough to stand up to a group of 4 or more pie-rats.
how avenger 1 deals with pirates Step 1, make sure you and your friend are streaming so everyone can see it step 2, be gunner & get attacked by pirates. step 3, tell the pilot and i quote "Good luck" then proceed to jump out of the ship step 4, logout.
Went into a fight with a blockade operation like that at SMO-18, alone, because the guys were being cocky in the chat. First thing is they shut down Coms array, so you can put it back on to annoy them. Then they gather inside the armistice, but they may have ballistas and tanks just outside. Anyway, went with a full ballistic C2 and cleared their ground vehicles, almost killed a Talon until I ran out of ammo. Their hauler eventually left, but I came back with a fighter to harrass the leftover of their team (Corsair and Scorpius) and was joined by two random dudes. I was fun to see their org operation go fubar because they couldn't resist trash talking. PvP is awesome.
There are times when I wonder if anyone has ever heard of the concept of operational security. The only time I might even consider talking trash is either A: when I've already accomplishes my goal, or B: Giving out a false location when I don't owe the griefers the truth.
A relic of some other space games, where they were able to do cargo without paying for escorts. Star Citizen is not going to support solo cargo. Not large solo cargo. You might get away with some small ships, but not large ships. Cargo runners are going to have to stop looking at it as a negative, and just look at it as a normal business expense. Sure, right now many will do it for free, but in the future, they won't. You will also want to find escorts to build a relationship with, as any new escorts may actually be pirates, or working with pirates, the cheap cargo pilot's to their doom. In other words, if you find good escorts, pay them well, so they prioritize you. Stop with the notion that you have to turn a huge profit on every run. You will need to worry about just turning a profit at all. Cargo runners will need to remember that if there's no profit in protecting, then many players will seek the profit in piracy.
That's basically why they're going to the master modes combat change; player incompetence and laziness. 'The game's combat sucks because it's all jousting!!1!' No, you joust because you suck and refuse to get better. Legitimate fighter pilots play this game because of its good representation of combat, and they do well using legitimate tactics. But it's easier to just complain that 'Star Citizen combat is terrible.'
Some very good pilots out there with mouse and keyboard. I was still mouse and keyboard until after I had already passed my test of defeating A1 to join the squadron
Just joined the AVS discord and will be looking to watch, practice and learn from your org as often as I'm available to do so. I want to eventually learn how to properly dogfight and to work with teammates to accomplish objectives such as these.
i think the real piracy problem comes from, trading doesnt give enought money or a proper way, to hire escort, and thats what told me lots of trader we as org try to share the benefits of trading and protecting, but at the end, the money is not worthy. great video bud! love it!!
if you think trading doesn't give enough money for a single person.. split that payout by 5 or 10 people pirating and then add a time multiplier on the whole operation by like 100x. Thats how much longer it takes for pirates to deal with your goods than it takes for a trader to click two buttons to fill their ship and then two buttons to sell everything. Everyone bitches and moans about pirates but the pirates invest more manpower time and effort into pirating people than traders ever have to and pirates do it for almost no profit. Pirating is so unprofitable that they are better off doing literally anything else for money.
@@fr4me.01 pirates don't have to buy the goods in the first place, so all the goods they get is profit. The sell price for pirates is about 75% of what the trader paid, the trader might sell for 125% of what they paid. So if the trader bought 1 million aUEC, 750,000aUEC pirates can make while the trader is making 250,000 on that haul. A C2 is about 4.1 million to fill with gold, though this is unlikely due to other issues in the economy systems, like gold supply at location is shared across all servers so trader is already fighting it, 90% of the time, one can';t buy even if it says in stock because by the time your button presses are registered another player bought on another server.
Currently pirates have no loss to incur, while cargo and industrial ships have no way to insure their freight. To engage a pirate without having criminal charges pressed you need to wait for them to engage their target and reach a damage threshold. Escorts attempting to protect their client face fines, criminal charges, and incarceration if they intercept a hostile combat ship before it reaches their client. Serial mass murders operate freely in the skies of planets ran by megacorps disrupting trade, without a security response. Pirate gets tired of having a crimestat? They go clear it, and go right back to getting a free first shot.
@@EwanMarshall You're completely ignoring time and efficiency losses, danger (which should be obvious, from this video...), and the trouble of finding targets in the first place.
What have they done for the Hornet as of late to make it a better ship? Great video. I am PVE focused but love these videos and a scrap every now and then even though I am not very good.
It's confined to Arena Commander only until after they've tuned it anyway. It almost seems like CIG know it's going to be a bad idea and mess up everything and are limiting the damage and allowing the players to adapt before unleashing it on the PU. They seem intent on this being the 'last' rework of the FM too... From what I've seen MM is dependent on armour being added to the game to really work properly, and that is 2+ years out at least. (i.e. Armoured ships will have a far easier time escaping with the SCM>NAV mode changes in MM)
Ok so. Organic, you say? 1. AVS vs… 2. SpaceCutlet who is another popular pirate streamer and… 3. The guy who works at CIG on AC team. I’m not sure which part about this you’d like to to call organic, or who was stream sniping who, but I’m sure Spectrum will decide appropriately.
There are two different types. RPG pirates and now there are Personal Kill ones who kill you just to kill you. I personally handle it by not leaving the pad and call for help. I wish there was a way to mark the blue pips as harassers but it is hard to say some one is until they directly attack you. I guess you could take off from the pad let them attack you and land again so they turn red.
I think my org and I are gonna take some of the lessons here and try to apply them and train. None of us are pvp gods, but we all look for a good fight. Hopefully training will make us better.
I really want to enjoy this game. Love the concept. But this is the first mmo I’ve really struggled in as a new player. Is joining an org the best way to go?
it can help but not needed. its like learning to drive a car, when you know it you dont think about it anymore when you step in and drive. just look ahead ask in chat there is always some one eager to help.
this kind of QRF gameplay is far superior to bringing an escort imo All the trader needs is a big red button on the comms MFD putting out a general distress call to the server Traders cannot support the wage requirement for escorts, from the escort's perspective they can do merc or BH missions for 100-200auec/hr and have fun, or they can follow a trader around for much less, and potentially zero action
so when you black out (especially if your coupled and not decoupled) all inputs will stop so if youre rolling your rolls will stop and you'll see the ship start to just drift in a single direction, if the pilot was coupled because all inputs stop the ship will automatically come to a stop.
Hey AV1. Really enjoy ur vids, keep it up. :D So i dont even play star citizen myself. (planning on buying it though). But im seeing so many similarities to another open world space game i play myself. In both games, there is piracy like no tomorrow. I myself, partake in piracy as my main source of income in that game. Just like you said in this video, great risk=great reward. And also, just like in Star citizen, the game also has a big group of people who blame the developers for making piracy possible. (even though pvp was the main focus at the start of development) These players are often new players that have no clue how to pvp, and are thus very easily dealt with by pirates who are (mostly) skilled. These players are known as anti pirates, they swear to kill every pirate one day, but then proceed to become a pirate themselves once they have a basic understanding of pvp and realise how profitable it is. Also tactics regarding piracy in Star Citizen are very similar. With disruption of warp being often the first thing done to prevent the victim from warping. When outnumbered or outskilled asking for allies to help. Same with the comms during major engagments. In the clips you've showed me in your videos, i can often hear keywords like, focus on ..., shield down on ..., ... killed. These mean basically the same thing as the callouts FC's (Fleet captains) give when commanding a fleet. We often use the words, Focus ..., hulled ..., ...'s dead. We also use words like, Disrupt ... (preventing someone from warping), Chase ... (when someone is running through warping meaning disruption either failed or wasnt possible). You may notice how those commands have basically only one word most of the time. This is becouse of the fast-paced nature of it, when in combat with more then 3 people on either team, People can die within in matter of seconds when the fleet is coördinated well and focuses all on the same person all at once. Good command will win you battles. So anyways, big paragraph out of the way, (thanks for reading if you did lol), you got any suggestions on how to get started in star citizen in a pvp-based playstyle? I've really enjoyed watching youtube content related to star citizen and would like to start playing myself.
Question: You say with great risk comes great reward... But what is the risk for pirating? You get a crime stat that can get removed in minutes?, you get blown up and can respawn your ship for free in seconds, seems like no risk great rewards to me.
Reshade. Helps to see the ground but sometimes the MFD's really pop. I didn't plan on providing video but i was the only one in the fight that had capture on
I was a turret gunner in both my ships, and other people's ships, in a few fights against you recently. I enjoy PvP, and have been PvPing since PvP was available in online games...literally. Yes, I'm old enough to have seen PONG on a black and white TV, in stores, with a sign that said, "coming soon." In these fights, however, it was not fun. Why? Because lately, I have had a bug where I don't get that little chevron pipper to show me where enemy ships are. This was the case with you and others. I have to look for your tracers, and then hit T, hoping to get the target lock on you. So more often then not, you were already shooting at us, by the time I even got a target lock. My pilots were screaming, "shoot...shoot...shoot him!" I'm replying, "I don't see him." So, the result was, I get a brief salvo on you as you go by, jousting out of range. And often, I had to go through this process again, because now somebody else was targeting us...sometimes 2 or 3 other people, so I couldn't just keep lock on one person, who is now 8Km away, while other enemies are within 1K. I can't even tell you how frustrating this is. And it only seems to happen in combat...mostly. It may have something to do with how many ships are in close proximity...I don't know. But I do know that this saps the enjoyment from the game. Another thing that has me not enjoying this is that others have informed me that one of my struggles in the turrets has to do with the fact that turrets aren't doing the same damage that pilot guns do. I don't know if this is true, but it seems like it. I was running turret in one of my ships, a Hurricane, or my Scorpius...can't remember which, but both were set up similar, with my turret having 4 size 3 distortion repeaters...DR MODEL-XJ3. I've seen light fighters turn bigger ships off faster, with 2 size 2 distortion repeaters. I was getting pretty frustrated with this build. Normally you and my pilot jousted and I didn't get to land sustained hits, but for some reason, this one time, you stayed close, and I was hitting you a lot. We were in bad shape also, so my pilot called for a brush off, which didn't work in time, but just as you blew us up, the other pilots just engaging you said your shields were already down, and then they called "splash" on you a second later, which indicates that I was able to turn off your shields, but not your ship. So, I can only believe that there may be some truth to the turrets doing lesser damage than when the pilot is shooting those guns. I mean, again, I have seen a light fighter with 2 size 2 distortion repeaters, turn off a fully upgraded Redeemer with the same amount of hits I had on you with 4 size 3. The other issue, for me, was when we manner an upgraded hammerhead, and I witnessed 3 and 4 turrets hitting your ships, as you flew past. This again leads me to suspect truth to what I was told about turrets being a bit nerfed. That's 12 to 16 guns hitting you at the same time, and your friends too, as they went past. And not one of you popped. We had a discussion about this, and simply came to the conclusion that hopefully Master Modes will solve this, removing the ability of a light fighter to boom and zoom the Hammerhead with impunity. Even if all the Hammerhead does, is make light, medium and heavy fighters fear getting in range of a Hammerhead, that will be an upgrade to the current situation. This would make it a viable escort for the larger ships, as it is intended. Don't interpret this as my thinking you don't have skill. You are obviously very skilled, and I could see that. But, as we know, Star Citizen often leaves us frustrated with bugs, glitches, and things not working like they should.
At 2:50; My first thought, "It's nice having friends already on the same server, to enable an invite to party" (otherwise, by the time you're hooked up with me the Pirates are gone, my ship looted and destroyed and I'm dead). Game reality sucks, obviously a prearranged escort is best (shame I can't afford one). ;-) I haven't heard about "CatNuts" since v3.0, next will be "W.H.P."? ;-D
This wasn't prearranged for the record. The cargo pilot noticed the pirates, contacted A1 who pinged the squad and the crew you see is the available crew. Response time was probably 5 minutes? Cargo just stayed in the safe zone until we got there, and we didn't ask for compensation and won't. Hop into VC at AVS if you find yourself needing help :-)
Where does one go to learn better dogfighting? I want to take part I. These types of things but my skills are subpar even against AI. Definitely better than when I started but no where near good enough to help people out like this
What if avs is the ones pirating me? And what is the risk to pirates? Like I have said before. The majority of players do not want to pvp. And you get so many losers who brag about how they just pirated someone. And you find out it was a Cutter they destroyed. While lifting off with a package from a delivery mission... SC was better for me and many others before they allowed pirates and griefers to do whatever they want without risk. There is no risk for griefers and those who call themselves pirates. I stopped doing cargo runs because I like to play solo. I just do bunkers. It is the least griefed way to make money. If I am bored. I get in my C2 and look for people camping a site. I land. Act like I am getting cargo. Then take off. If they catch me. I got nothing for them lol. SC is not what I bought into . If I could get a refund I would. Anyrate. I appreciate the video.
Love your stuff, think you have a good perspective on the game, you're advice is right on, but still say you are completely delusional in thinking pirates are assuming some kind of risk in current SC. The situation you're depicting notwithstanding, the space trucker is always the one assuming risk, not the pirates.
And then they respawned, lost nothing, and went and did it again. If ships were lost upon destruction, so much would be instantly balanced, but they sell them for money, so that's never happening. Good luck ever balancing that system with paid ships.
The term comes from WW2 when most A2A combat was over water and when the enemy plane was shot down it splashed into the water so pilots would say they splashed an enemy. The term stuck and "splash" is now the official brevity code for shooting down an airborne target. Does not matter if you shoot down target with missile, gun, or drop a bomb on it. Just signifies an aircraft has been neutralized.
lol it was R4m so a step up from paid actors, they'll make a heavily edited video of their perspective and say they actually won to then make it seem like they put up a big fight
@@moe47988 i mean it's easy to fit 15 kills in R4ms video when every kill it cuts to another kill and each kill gets like 10 seconds of video time. i'm sure if we get the uncut videos of BOTH sides, I would say it would be pretty equal the only thing that decided if AVS or R4M won is that AVS got their cargo hauler safe from R4M MEANING objective based AVS won. kill based we would need to see both and confirm the kills
If you have a loaded vessel in a safe zone and see pirates everywhere. Just disconnect your internet. Your game will kick you and then place your ship at your home Planet safe and sound.
Incorrect, your ship will persist and you will lose it and all your cargo. Most pirate organizations will push your ship out of the zone and then loot it
For the money and time it would cost to get an escort (outside of a rehearsed and manicured scenario) I may be better off going high orbit on the nearest moon and activating self-destruct before jumping out and logging off before hitting the ground. Best way to make it a royal pain for anyone actually trying to salvage from my ship.
@avenger__one6689 should that ever actually come to pass in the years of development still left, I would still rather play on my terms. If the outcome is permanent death and a fresh wipe, all of my ships are cash bought with LTI so at least I can restart immediately. And if it means I eventually stop playing until private PUs are a thing (like in 'Elite: Dangerous'), then maybe that's where I go. It's about as far down the roadmap as fully implemented 'Death of a Spaceman.'
Call for help? Reach out? Over Discord?? C'mon, you're telling me there will be SOMEONE on at all times of the day? We all got jobs and IRL priorities. Self-destruct destructs griefer joy.
There is people from almost all timezones in AVS ready to liftoff qt a moments notice. If you self destruct when you see a Griefer they have won. They'll laugh at you
Do you think it would be beneficial to have a 15 minute waiting period before you can get another ship to prevent a potential for a never-ending spawn-loop? Say... if you get destroyed by an actual player (this wouldn't count if you were destroyed by an NPC) in a fight, you re-spawn in a medical bay... there's a mandatory evaluation or cooling down period before being cleared for piloting a space-craft? I think it would be lore friendly and a realistic expectation (in controlled space only, btw). However, to be devil's advocate, would it run the risk of limiting players who wanted the never-ending loop?
@@machoalright are you cargo hauler or not? sounds like you are not , I am doing lots of cargo hauling and I would be pissed if I just need to combat log because I will lose those aUEC I already have, so instead of combat log, better call for help like what Avenger One shown in the video. It does matter for players who do cargo, probably not so much if you are the pirates
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Cobb-Vanth the Talon pilot here! This was an awesome thing to witness! I heard there were pirates at smo-18 so I came in to check, didn't know the AVS was notified :D Sadly I got the invis bug after Avenger 22's kill on me XD (found out when a pirate mantis landed on me when I returned to the site and we both exploded), no fun/honor getting kills invis. I got so inspired by the AVS' response to Smo-18 distress call that I camped that area to essentially give cargo hauler's a chance. Earlier this morning there was an M2 loading up gold in smo-18, I then waited there with my Talon, as soon as the m2 lifted an eclipse came on radar, I intercepted the missile and chased out the eclipse after damaging its wing. The thrill of helping someone else and actually suceeding was so awesome. Will def practice more and camp pirated space. o7
@@s7r49 It really depends on the server, if its been running up for awhile and its tanking, sometimes relogging works/logging out from launcher/verify then login works. But if the server is its on last legs sadly there is no fix.
If you don't do PVP air combat in SC, you don't realize how crazy skill based it gets. When people actually start working as a team it's even crazier.
It's so humbling. Spend 1000 hours flying just to have one person tear you apart in 45 seconds to make you go grind the next 1000 hours properly. 😅
I'm so happy that the hornet is getting some love
YES! The Hornet, my favourite fighter in the game! I got way more kills with the Gladius, but I love the looks and guns of the Hornet.
Q: How do you handle pirates?
A: Not by flying a Bucc, that's for damn sure!
Bucc still in that bad of a place?
@@undersmack648 yea sadly
@@undersmack648 its made of hopes dreams plastic and ducttape...
Insanely well done teamwork! A masterpiece of flying AND communication 👍🏻
I need to practice with you guys more. You guys are great fun to practice with.
Mate and I (Arrow and Gladius) had a stand off with a Mantis, Tana, Gladius and Hawk at SM0 - 18 before they reaslised the game was up and went to 22. By sheer dumb luck we went there next and upon realising the mantis was spooling up with a C2 on the pad we kicked into gear. Warned the C2 and lept on the Mantis as the priority. One brawl later C2 mate it out home and free.
friend or foe system really just needs to be implemented. even if they later on take it away again to transfer it to a command ship role to make the tags.
nice teamwork AV1 squad, you guys really just demolish them like knife through butter.
Man this makes me want to start a pirate hunting org. Motto: The louder you scream the faster we come.
I'm not sure of you intended for that to sound as dark as it does and have a certain meaning. But boy, it sure did & does! Lol
@buzzfightbeer8023 if I remember correctly, it's an unofficial motto of the USAF security forces. Fun double entendre.
Tell my wife
Would you be interested in staring one?
@xWerkingx Why yes I would. I get the feeling we cargo haulers will need as many anti-pirate organizations to call upon as possible.
"In 1972, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them....maybe you can hire The A-Team."
Awesome vid like always. Love watching you guys fly!
Also a fun way to engage in PVP combat. That trader is one very lucky pilot!
Yesss sirrr, that was good fun, and well done!!
I love your videos so much man, i’ve been getting back into star citizen recently and been having so much fun with me and my brother. But the way you talk about the game and combat is so informative and easy to follow, i love it. Also the vision you have for the game is one i completely agree with I want pirates to be a big part of the game and i want a lot of this game to be, the way i think you look at it, realistic. So you have to really think of all the outcomes and strategies for different game loops and such. All that to say i hope you never stop making videos like these.
I have to agree, as a trader myself, when getting camped by pirates, don't be afraid to announce your location and ask for help in global chat! (along with enemy count and ship types) You'd be surprised how many "good guys" will come and deal with the pirates. Of course, there's always the chance those "good guys" are actually pirates themselves but that's the risk you take in trading.
I'm absolutely terrible at ship combat in SC so I mostly stick to hauling. That being said, I get thrilled going to MT in my C2, without escorts, and basically creating spur of the moment content for PVPers. I think it's actually pretty cool to watch a fight going on from the ground. Sure, there's always a chance of losing my haul, but frankly, I'd say I only encounter pirates perhaps 1 out of 10 times I land at an outpost. So I make enough money hauling to cover any losses I might incur. Knock on wood, that has yet to happen honestly, but I also don't fly completely reckless.
Oh, and I know it's just a bit of a nit-pick but coming from a C2 trader, SMO-10 does not sell gold as stated in the vid. Its attraction is that it does however have a nearly endless supply of Beryl, which can be bought quickly and sold for a profit of about 350k per C2 load. No long waits on server ticks like you do for gold at the other locations.
This is my favorite video of yours that I have seen. Moar? Gib moar?
Very cool offering your services to defending cargo haulers, I fly solo in the Connie delivering cargo. Great teamwork RLTW!
As I said in my video, know your 911.
i really need to learn how to fly with my joy stick and thrusters and practice how you guys fight that was awesome
Great video. Even better choice of thumbnail. All praise the Bucc. That said was great seeing you in the hornet.
U and yer team are amazing to watch. I cant wait to start getting into the space combat.
I can see into the future and know are gonna run different brands of the squadron: something like "Avenger Sheriffs" for helping against pirates and "Avengers Reposession Group" that acutally pirate stuff alongside the obvious bounty work.
💯Avenger ONE!!! 😄Well done Avengers! 🔥Awesome tally you racked up!💥
I love your content. You bring up advice, you bring it with kindness too. Im not so kind, but stand with what you say, bring friends, prepare, plan, have a backup plan, this is not a risk free zone. SC would be dead in the water without bounty hunters and pirates. Lets keep SC like no other, keep it real, keep it raw! flysafe
EM missiles should be like Fox-4 or something. Fox-2 is IR missiles. Fox-3 is radar guided.
Or, in the absence of radar guided missiles in the game, just use fox-3 for EM.
@@thomasdahlgren1985 Cross-section missiles are radar guided... they seek a radar cross section
Glad you busted Cutlet, he and his gang camps at SMO-18 all day. All your advice is true yet as a 1 or 2 man hauler ship it is practically impossible to defend yourself, if you're jumped asking for help will not always lead to people supporting you, and people will ask for payment which will often be more than surrendering your freight to the gangsters. SC still lacks the proper rock/paper/scissors balance and mechanics to leave more than one option when pirated. Right now, a single hauler is hands down toast, and even with a wingman it often isn't enough to stand up to a group of 4 or more pie-rats.
Its always about the fight... win lose or draw
some of us dont have friends we can just call for help lol at that point best move is to just stay on the pad until they leave
how avenger 1 deals with pirates
Step 1, make sure you and your friend are streaming so everyone can see it
step 2, be gunner & get attacked by pirates.
step 3, tell the pilot and i quote "Good luck" then proceed to jump out of the ship
step 4, logout.
All is fair in the PTU
i didnt see that at all in this video
@@joppa560 its something they did in a previous video/stream, i was trolling them.
@@TheAngriestGamer. at least you admit to trolling
Good fights boys! And damn, in an F7C too, love seeing that rust bucket in action!
SC deserves better than 1080p.
Went into a fight with a blockade operation like that at SMO-18, alone, because the guys were being cocky in the chat. First thing is they shut down Coms array, so you can put it back on to annoy them. Then they gather inside the armistice, but they may have ballistas and tanks just outside. Anyway, went with a full ballistic C2 and cleared their ground vehicles, almost killed a Talon until I ran out of ammo. Their hauler eventually left, but I came back with a fighter to harrass the leftover of their team (Corsair and Scorpius) and was joined by two random dudes. I was fun to see their org operation go fubar because they couldn't resist trash talking. PvP is awesome.
There are times when I wonder if anyone has ever heard of the concept of operational security. The only time I might even consider talking trash is either A: when I've already accomplishes my goal, or B: Giving out a false location when I don't owe the griefers the truth.
Nice to see ya Standing up for the defenseless
You have confronted a legend catnuts is an old player that used to attack Dan Gheesling
@10:22
"C** on femboy" - Avenger__One 2023
Based and progressivepilled
Fox 2 hmm, did some one start playing DCS on the side 🤣
its just general mil jargon for an IR missile nothing new
Staying inside the artomus zone doesn't help people will just ram you ship
Agreed 100%. Too many players complain and blame CIG, when they can simply ask for help. Great video.
A relic of some other space games, where they were able to do cargo without paying for escorts. Star Citizen is not going to support solo cargo. Not large solo cargo. You might get away with some small ships, but not large ships. Cargo runners are going to have to stop looking at it as a negative, and just look at it as a normal business expense. Sure, right now many will do it for free, but in the future, they won't. You will also want to find escorts to build a relationship with, as any new escorts may actually be pirates, or working with pirates, the cheap cargo pilot's to their doom. In other words, if you find good escorts, pay them well, so they prioritize you. Stop with the notion that you have to turn a huge profit on every run. You will need to worry about just turning a profit at all.
Cargo runners will need to remember that if there's no profit in protecting, then many players will seek the profit in piracy.
That's basically why they're going to the master modes combat change; player incompetence and laziness. 'The game's combat sucks because it's all jousting!!1!' No, you joust because you suck and refuse to get better. Legitimate fighter pilots play this game because of its good representation of combat, and they do well using legitimate tactics. But it's easier to just complain that 'Star Citizen combat is terrible.'
Awesome.
Man, I wish I had the skills and the setup to join you guys, but I'm a lowly casual playing with mouse and keyboard.
Some very good pilots out there with mouse and keyboard. I was still mouse and keyboard until after I had already passed my test of defeating A1 to join the squadron
i'm a Mouse and keyboard pilot and I can keep up with the boys, don't let your control scheme get you down. just hop on in, train and have a good time
When you and ur buddies camped SMO-10 trying to kill my catterpillar i asked for help then you tried lying and saying you were there to help lol
Just joined the AVS discord and will be looking to watch, practice and learn from your org as often as I'm available to do so. I want to eventually learn how to properly dogfight and to work with teammates to accomplish objectives such as these.
Can you send a link? I haven’t found it anywhere
Hmm catnuts is back... Nice
Awesome!!!!
o7 my guy great fights
Yes, nice video !
Nice done.
i think the real piracy problem comes from, trading doesnt give enought money or a proper way, to hire escort, and thats what told me lots of trader
we as org try to share the benefits of trading and protecting, but at the end, the money is not worthy. great video bud! love it!!
if you think trading doesn't give enough money for a single person.. split that payout by 5 or 10 people pirating and then add a time multiplier on the whole operation by like 100x. Thats how much longer it takes for pirates to deal with your goods than it takes for a trader to click two buttons to fill their ship and then two buttons to sell everything. Everyone bitches and moans about pirates but the pirates invest more manpower time and effort into pirating people than traders ever have to and pirates do it for almost no profit. Pirating is so unprofitable that they are better off doing literally anything else for money.
@@fr4me.01 pirates don't have to buy the goods in the first place, so all the goods they get is profit. The sell price for pirates is about 75% of what the trader paid, the trader might sell for 125% of what they paid. So if the trader bought 1 million aUEC, 750,000aUEC pirates can make while the trader is making 250,000 on that haul. A C2 is about 4.1 million to fill with gold, though this is unlikely due to other issues in the economy systems, like gold supply at location is shared across all servers so trader is already fighting it, 90% of the time, one can';t buy even if it says in stock because by the time your button presses are registered another player bought on another server.
Currently pirates have no loss to incur, while cargo and industrial ships have no way to insure their freight. To engage a pirate without having criminal charges pressed you need to wait for them to engage their target and reach a damage threshold. Escorts attempting to protect their client face fines, criminal charges, and incarceration if they intercept a hostile combat ship before it reaches their client. Serial mass murders operate freely in the skies of planets ran by megacorps disrupting trade, without a security response. Pirate gets tired of having a crimestat? They go clear it, and go right back to getting a free first shot.
@@EwanMarshall You're completely ignoring time and efficiency losses, danger (which should be obvious, from this video...), and the trouble of finding targets in the first place.
What have they done for the Hornet as of late to make it a better ship? Great video. I am PVE focused but love these videos and a scrap every now and then even though I am not very good.
It was actually an unintentional buff.
great content, i heard i had a bounty, pls dont hunt me LULLLLLLLLLLLLLL jk i'll take it to the chin can't wait to see more videos!
I wonder how master modes is gonna change up PVP for a while until they tune it.
It's confined to Arena Commander only until after they've tuned it anyway. It almost seems like CIG know it's going to be a bad idea and mess up everything and are limiting the damage and allowing the players to adapt before unleashing it on the PU. They seem intent on this being the 'last' rework of the FM too...
From what I've seen MM is dependent on armour being added to the game to really work properly, and that is 2+ years out at least. (i.e. Armoured ships will have a far easier time escaping with the SCM>NAV mode changes in MM)
i do a lot of trade run's i love it when my team is on . we have any where between 10 and 15 people helping out others in game .
Ok so. Organic, you say?
1. AVS vs…
2. SpaceCutlet who is another popular pirate streamer and…
3. The guy who works at CIG on AC team.
I’m not sure which part about this you’d like to to call organic, or who was stream sniping who, but I’m sure Spectrum will decide appropriately.
There are two different types. RPG pirates and now there are Personal Kill ones who kill you just to kill you. I personally handle it by not leaving the pad and call for help. I wish there was a way to mark the blue pips as harassers but it is hard to say some one is until they directly attack you. I guess you could take off from the pad let them attack you and land again so they turn red.
I think my org and I are gonna take some of the lessons here and try to apply them and train. None of us are pvp gods, but we all look for a good fight. Hopefully training will make us better.
There is no counter piracy on the AUS servers. AUS servers have always been a free game for pirates.
amazing flying as usual. Great communication and tactics.
Is the Hornet viable again. Been away and curious what they did to make it good again.
Was that the OG "Catnuts" from back in the day The Dan Gheesling era of SC if you know you know.
I really want to enjoy this game. Love the concept. But this is the first mmo I’ve really struggled in as a new player. Is joining an org the best way to go?
it can help but not needed. its like learning to drive a car, when you know it you dont think about it anymore when you step in and drive. just look ahead ask in chat there is always some one eager to help.
It's a lot easier and I recommend it, but it's not necessary.
this kind of QRF gameplay is far superior to bringing an escort imo
All the trader needs is a big red button on the comms MFD putting out a general distress call to the server
Traders cannot support the wage requirement for escorts, from the escort's perspective they can do merc or BH missions for 100-200auec/hr and have fun, or they can follow a trader around for much less, and potentially zero action
How could you tell he blacked out
so when you black out (especially if your coupled and not decoupled) all inputs will stop so if youre rolling your rolls will stop and you'll see the ship start to just drift in a single direction, if the pilot was coupled because all inputs stop the ship will automatically come to a stop.
Hey AV1. Really enjoy ur vids, keep it up. :D
So i dont even play star citizen myself. (planning on buying it though). But im seeing so many similarities to another open world space game i play myself. In both games, there is piracy like no tomorrow. I myself, partake in piracy as my main source of income in that game. Just like you said in this video, great risk=great reward. And also, just like in Star citizen, the game also has a big group of people who blame the developers for making piracy possible. (even though pvp was the main focus at the start of development) These players are often new players that have no clue how to pvp, and are thus very easily dealt with by pirates who are (mostly) skilled. These players are known as anti pirates, they swear to kill every pirate one day, but then proceed to become a pirate themselves once they have a basic understanding of pvp and realise how profitable it is. Also tactics regarding piracy in Star Citizen are very similar. With disruption of warp being often the first thing done to prevent the victim from warping. When outnumbered or outskilled asking for allies to help. Same with the comms during major engagments. In the clips you've showed me in your videos, i can often hear keywords like, focus on ..., shield down on ..., ... killed. These mean basically the same thing as the callouts FC's (Fleet captains) give when commanding a fleet. We often use the words, Focus ..., hulled ..., ...'s dead. We also use words like, Disrupt ... (preventing someone from warping), Chase ... (when someone is running through warping meaning disruption either failed or wasnt possible). You may notice how those commands have basically only one word most of the time. This is becouse of the fast-paced nature of it, when in combat with more then 3 people on either team, People can die within in matter of seconds when the fleet is coördinated well and focuses all on the same person all at once. Good command will win you battles.
So anyways, big paragraph out of the way, (thanks for reading if you did lol), you got any suggestions on how to get started in star citizen in a pvp-based playstyle? I've really enjoyed watching youtube content related to star citizen and would like to start playing myself.
Question: You say with great risk comes great reward... But what is the risk for pirating? You get a crime stat that can get removed in minutes?, you get blown up and can respawn your ship for free in seconds, seems like no risk great rewards to me.
Correct it's not a huge risk, but later on that balance will come
I need to practice PvP to get better. back then 2018-2019 i was very good at dogfight then i had a break and now i am bad at dogfight 😅
Do you ever fly the buccaneer for these engagements for the high DPS?
Nope
honest question, how do you ask for help with pirates in your discord?
Is the discord called AVS? I will call if required, but I may also see if I can fly with AVS sometime?
It's linked under my stream at Avenger__One on twitch
What is a Splash? is that a team shot? thanks
i think i met you once
The best way to handle a pirate is to do as they do, combat logging.
Yea but then you lose all 3 million of your cargo
Fun fight ggs
when did you join avs? What A# are you?
@@MichaelJaScott Vergil isn't from AVS - he's from a PvP org called Shadow Moses.
@@MichaelJaScott A69
@@Ver9jl I thought you were an org leader not a follower... shame
@@MichaelJaScott I'm a content seeker brother
Which server you guys mostly active?
U S. But we will come to any server.
whats going on with avengers 22 view?
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"night vision" filter
Reshade. Helps to see the ground but sometimes the MFD's really pop. I didn't plan on providing video but i was the only one in the fight that had capture on
I was a turret gunner in both my ships, and other people's ships, in a few fights against you recently. I enjoy PvP, and have been PvPing since PvP was available in online games...literally. Yes, I'm old enough to have seen PONG on a black and white TV, in stores, with a sign that said, "coming soon."
In these fights, however, it was not fun. Why? Because lately, I have had a bug where I don't get that little chevron pipper to show me where enemy ships are. This was the case with you and others. I have to look for your tracers, and then hit T, hoping to get the target lock on you. So more often then not, you were already shooting at us, by the time I even got a target lock. My pilots were screaming, "shoot...shoot...shoot him!" I'm replying, "I don't see him." So, the result was, I get a brief salvo on you as you go by, jousting out of range. And often, I had to go through this process again, because now somebody else was targeting us...sometimes 2 or 3 other people, so I couldn't just keep lock on one person, who is now 8Km away, while other enemies are within 1K.
I can't even tell you how frustrating this is. And it only seems to happen in combat...mostly. It may have something to do with how many ships are in close proximity...I don't know. But I do know that this saps the enjoyment from the game.
Another thing that has me not enjoying this is that others have informed me that one of my struggles in the turrets has to do with the fact that turrets aren't doing the same damage that pilot guns do. I don't know if this is true, but it seems like it. I was running turret in one of my ships, a Hurricane, or my Scorpius...can't remember which, but both were set up similar, with my turret having 4 size 3 distortion repeaters...DR MODEL-XJ3. I've seen light fighters turn bigger ships off faster, with 2 size 2 distortion repeaters. I was getting pretty frustrated with this build. Normally you and my pilot jousted and I didn't get to land sustained hits, but for some reason, this one time, you stayed close, and I was hitting you a lot.
We were in bad shape also, so my pilot called for a brush off, which didn't work in time, but just as you blew us up, the other pilots just engaging you said your shields were already down, and then they called "splash" on you a second later, which indicates that I was able to turn off your shields, but not your ship. So, I can only believe that there may be some truth to the turrets doing lesser damage than when the pilot is shooting those guns. I mean, again, I have seen a light fighter with 2 size 2 distortion repeaters, turn off a fully upgraded Redeemer with the same amount of hits I had on you with 4 size 3.
The other issue, for me, was when we manner an upgraded hammerhead, and I witnessed 3 and 4 turrets hitting your ships, as you flew past. This again leads me to suspect truth to what I was told about turrets being a bit nerfed. That's 12 to 16 guns hitting you at the same time, and your friends too, as they went past. And not one of you popped. We had a discussion about this, and simply came to the conclusion that hopefully Master Modes will solve this, removing the ability of a light fighter to boom and zoom the Hammerhead with impunity. Even if all the Hammerhead does, is make light, medium and heavy fighters fear getting in range of a Hammerhead, that will be an upgrade to the current situation. This would make it a viable escort for the larger ships, as it is intended.
Don't interpret this as my thinking you don't have skill. You are obviously very skilled, and I could see that. But, as we know, Star Citizen often leaves us frustrated with bugs, glitches, and things not working like they should.
Step 1: Don't trade gold.
At 2:50; My first thought, "It's nice having friends already on the same server, to enable an invite to party" (otherwise, by the time you're hooked up with me the Pirates are gone, my ship looted and destroyed and I'm dead). Game reality sucks, obviously a prearranged escort is best (shame I can't afford one). ;-)
I haven't heard about "CatNuts" since v3.0, next will be "W.H.P."? ;-D
This wasn't prearranged for the record. The cargo pilot noticed the pirates, contacted A1 who pinged the squad and the crew you see is the available crew. Response time was probably 5 minutes? Cargo just stayed in the safe zone until we got there, and we didn't ask for compensation and won't. Hop into VC at AVS if you find yourself needing help :-)
Where does one go to learn better dogfighting? I want to take part I. These types of things but my skills are subpar even against AI. Definitely better than when I started but no where near good enough to help people out like this
That's what orgs are for. Orgs and videos like this one.
Or you could just report the pirates location on global bed log and change servers.
What if avs is the ones pirating me? And what is the risk to pirates? Like I have said before. The majority of players do not want to pvp. And you get so many losers who brag about how they just pirated someone. And you find out it was a Cutter they destroyed. While lifting off with a package from a delivery mission... SC was better for me and many others before they allowed pirates and griefers to do whatever they want without risk. There is no risk for griefers and those who call themselves pirates. I stopped doing cargo runs because I like to play solo. I just do bunkers. It is the least griefed way to make money. If I am bored. I get in my C2 and look for people camping a site. I land. Act like I am getting cargo. Then take off. If they catch me. I got nothing for them lol. SC is not what I bought into . If I could get a refund I would. Anyrate. I appreciate the video.
How come you're using the ghost hornet?
A bug giving Hornets quite an insane acceleration, 25G or so
Love your stuff, think you have a good perspective on the game, you're advice is right on, but still say you are completely delusional in thinking pirates are assuming some kind of risk in current SC.
The situation you're depicting notwithstanding, the space trucker is always the one assuming risk, not the pirates.
and thats what i'm talking about, the smart trader comes prepared because hes taking all the risk but the payout is dank money
My misunderstanding then. Thanks.
And then they respawned, lost nothing, and went and did it again. If ships were lost upon destruction, so much would be instantly balanced, but they sell them for money, so that's never happening. Good luck ever balancing that system with paid ships.
Spinning narratives as always 😂
Client survived, main mission success 🐸
@@fr0gzz meh
@@k4iman ???
man that R4m juice has hit you hard hasnt it.
Why do so many rpers say "splash" every time they kill an enemy? It means that you hit an enemy aircraft with a missile.
The term comes from WW2 when most A2A combat was over water and when the enemy plane was shot down it splashed into the water so pilots would say they splashed an enemy. The term stuck and "splash" is now the official brevity code for shooting down an airborne target. Does not matter if you shoot down target with missile, gun, or drop a bomb on it. Just signifies an aircraft has been neutralized.
@@Power5 Nope. It means that a missile you fired stick its target.
@@the_teejster3642 nope and I quote "splash: air to air kill or weapons impact on ground target." literally took a single google search
Welp, hope you're ready to have a bunch of beggers in your discord
I call paid actors
lol
lol it was R4m so a step up from paid actors, they'll make a heavily edited video of their perspective and say they actually won to then make it seem like they put up a big fight
@@joppa560 its already been done haha!
@@joppa560 there were about 15 kills in r4m's video vs 8 in AV1's. Who really won?
@@moe47988 i mean it's easy to fit 15 kills in R4ms video when every kill it cuts to another kill and each kill gets like 10 seconds of video time. i'm sure if we get the uncut videos of BOTH sides, I would say it would be pretty equal the only thing that decided if AVS or R4M won is that AVS got their cargo hauler safe from R4M
MEANING objective based AVS won.
kill based we would need to see both and confirm the kills
If you have a loaded vessel in a safe zone and see pirates everywhere. Just disconnect your internet. Your game will kick you and then place your ship at your home Planet safe and sound.
Incorrect, your ship will persist and you will lose it and all your cargo. Most pirate organizations will push your ship out of the zone and then loot it
For the money and time it would cost to get an escort (outside of a rehearsed and manicured scenario) I may be better off going high orbit on the nearest moon and activating self-destruct before jumping out and logging off before hitting the ground. Best way to make it a royal pain for anyone actually trying to salvage from my ship.
Good luck when perma death is in and loss of ships have serious consequences
@avenger__one6689 should that ever actually come to pass in the years of development still left, I would still rather play on my terms.
If the outcome is permanent death and a fresh wipe, all of my ships are cash bought with LTI so at least I can restart immediately. And if it means I eventually stop playing until private PUs are a thing (like in 'Elite: Dangerous'), then maybe that's where I go. It's about as far down the roadmap as fully implemented 'Death of a Spaceman.'
or you know what's free... you can make some friends... or ask AVS as he said who will do it for free.
Or you combat log...
combat logging won't save your ship as it persists after you log..
Call for help? Reach out? Over Discord?? C'mon, you're telling me there will be SOMEONE on at all times of the day? We all got jobs and IRL priorities.
Self-destruct destructs griefer joy.
There is people from almost all timezones in AVS ready to liftoff qt a moments notice.
If you self destruct when you see a Griefer they have won. They'll laugh at you
first EZ :) great vid even before i saw it actually haha :D
gg
Do you think it would be beneficial to have a 15 minute waiting period before you can get another ship to prevent a potential for a never-ending spawn-loop? Say... if you get destroyed by an actual player (this wouldn't count if you were destroyed by an NPC) in a fight, you re-spawn in a medical bay... there's a mandatory evaluation or cooling down period before being cleared for piloting a space-craft? I think it would be lore friendly and a realistic expectation (in controlled space only, btw). However, to be devil's advocate, would it run the risk of limiting players who wanted the never-ending loop?
In release, death will have character consequences. There aren't any, now.
Its easy, i just combatlog.
your ship persists even if you combat log.
@@alzuu1 but the kill is not :)
if you are hauling precious cargo worth of 3 mill aUEC, when you combat log, you will lost all of that
@@rio20d oh noes.. all my aUEC :P who does not matter anyways. next!
@@machoalright are you cargo hauler or not? sounds like you are not , I am doing lots of cargo hauling and I would be pissed if I just need to combat log because I will lose those aUEC I already have, so instead of combat log, better call for help like what Avenger One shown in the video. It does matter for players who do cargo, probably not so much if you are the pirates
Bro that last clip!! How can anyone complain about this game