I have a rotor cuff injury. The ohp give me serious pain. The Arnold press doesn’t. The thing that is misunderstood about the AP is the fact that when you rotate at the bottom of the movement your biceps engage to assist the shoulder to a stop, and to proceed with the press. With the OP your shoulder has to take the brunt of the downward force and can cause pain especially if you already have issues with your rotator cuff.
But that is exactly why you're doing the shoulder press, because you want your shoulder to take the "brunt" of it. That does not make the Arnold press a "bad" exercise just a less effective one for the shoulder. If you can hit your shoulder muscles with the Arnold press, without experiencing pain, that's great and you should continue to do so. But when it comes to effectively overloading the shoulder muscles, particularly the front delts and to some extend the side and rear delts the typical shoulder press can be used with heavier weights.
Same here.....Barbell is not hurt my shoulder but dumbbells... but Barbell bench presd hurt my shoulders but dumbbells.....so interesting... I think that I need to give up dumbbell shoulder press.. ..I wanna find alternative exercise for it.....Dips and Arnold press that I will try...or complete give up all of them.. maybe barbell press and lateral is enough . And another exercises rows, pull up, push up, bench etc make supplement my shoulder develop and stronger..
Just to state the obvious… I’ll take Arnold’s advice over pretty much anyone on RUclips. At least as far as lifting. I feel “it” a lot more overall when doing AP, which means it better overall
Arnold's reason for this movement is the front delt stretch that happens at the beginning of the movement. Stretching the the muscle before placing under load.
It's not a bad exercise, it's just not the most optimal movement. pattern. Again, I would recommend adding it in to workouts every now and then to change things up; however, don't replace your standard shoulder press with it. Thanks for your comment!
I have great shoulders my best muscle group. I do shoulder press on a machine cable raise for outer delts and arn presses. For me this is the winning combo. Everyone is built different and what works for one might not for another but this gives me size and great definition. I guess if i was ti only do one exercise it would be a good shoulder press machine so i can put on a lot of weight safely but i have so much better defintion doing the 3 it works for me
AP works all heads of the delt though and OHP only works front delts (which is already an overworked muscle because it’s activated during bench press). The middle delt is hard to target (without spamming lateral raises) so the Arnold press helps me get better middle delt definition. I’d rather do an exercise that targets all delts instead of just one.
when it comes shoulders, lateral raises and all the pull motioned upper body workouts are great. Your front shoulders get all the work they need from bench press, dips, basically any kind of press takes care of it!
He's absolutely correct. I can't use more than a 20lb dumbbell while doing the Arnold press. I can use 25's on a regular press and honestly, I don't feel any more in the other parts of my shoulders doing the AP vs. the regular press.
What if you do shoulder press first, then right after do 4 sets of the Arnold press, do you think it will stimulate the shoulders more causing more growth from all the volume you just did?
I do the opposite actually I do a bit lighter Arnold press to get my shoulders warmed up/stimulated then go into a heavier working set of shoulder press
Me too, plus I’d rather do a press that targets all heads of the delt instead of just one. The OHP only targets front delts, which is already an overworked muscle (bench presses work front delts nearly as much as pecs). Meanwhile the AP targets all 3 heads of the deltoid.
I completely disagree! It has been scientifically proven that lifting light for more reps builds just as much muscle than lifting heavy for low reps. Plus you're far less likely to injure yourself lifting light. I've been lifting heavy for years and hit a plateaus. Injured my shoulder and rotator cuff several times trying to lift heavy. Almost crippled my lower back lifting heavy on deadlifts. Ever since I discovered light weight high reps my body has started growing again. Muscles that simply wouldn't grow like my forearms and biceps have finally woken up and getting bigger. No more injuries or little niggles, and its all down to lifting light. Someone gave me this advice yrs ago and I ignored it. Would have saved myself a lot of time, pain and effort if I did what he said.
Hey man, thanks for your comment! "Light weight" is reletive to each individual. I've been coaching for over 27 years and the biggest issue I've seen, is people/coaches who speak in absolutes. When I say heavy, I am talking about 8-12 reps with 0 to 2 RIR. A lot of people automatically equate heavy weight training to 5X5 style training. Yes, I agree you don't grow muscle optimally if you are lifting below 8 reps for the majority of your training; however, you need to make sure the load you are lifting is extremely challenging within the 8-12 rep range. Otherwise the load is too light to maximize your muscle growth potential. I have several videos on my channel telling people to lift "lighter" weight for more muscle growth, but lighter is referring to a weight lifted close to failure within the 8-12 rep range, and not so light they you can rep out a weight with 15+ reps. I hope this clarifies it for you! Thanks again for watching my video and leaving a comment🙏🏼
what are you talking about. you will be able to lift heavier with normal shoulder press, meaning you will grow more. arnold press is good for warmup and shoulder health, i do it before lifting heavy. i can do 120s seated db press but 50-60 for arnold press. i get a much better pump in my shoulders from the 120s for sure.
There’s is actual research; however, it’s hard to do a full fledge research video in 60 seconds. I reviewed several studies prior to doing this video so they’re out there if you want them.
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i use arnold press as warm up, and regular should press for working set. twice as strong here.
I have a rotor cuff injury. The ohp give me serious pain. The Arnold press doesn’t. The thing that is misunderstood about the AP is the fact that when you rotate at the bottom of the movement your biceps engage to assist the shoulder to a stop, and to proceed with the press. With the OP your shoulder has to take the brunt of the downward force and can cause pain especially if you already have issues with your rotator cuff.
But that is exactly why you're doing the shoulder press, because you want your shoulder to take the "brunt" of it. That does not make the Arnold press a "bad" exercise just a less effective one for the shoulder.
If you can hit your shoulder muscles with the Arnold press, without experiencing pain, that's great and you should continue to do so. But when it comes to effectively overloading the shoulder muscles, particularly the front delts and to some extend the side and rear delts the typical shoulder press can be used with heavier weights.
Same here.....Barbell is not hurt my shoulder but dumbbells... but Barbell bench presd hurt my shoulders but dumbbells.....so interesting...
I think that I need to give up dumbbell shoulder press.. ..I wanna find alternative exercise for it.....Dips and Arnold press that I will try...or complete give up all of them.. maybe barbell press and lateral is enough . And another exercises rows, pull up, push up, bench etc make supplement my shoulder develop and stronger..
Ayo are you dyslexic or something ?
Just go really light weight or use bands. You don't have to go heavy.
Just to state the obvious… I’ll take Arnold’s advice over pretty much anyone on RUclips. At least as far as lifting. I feel “it” a lot more overall when doing AP, which means it better overall
I have both in my shoulder routine but I’d like to see electrode prove that it doesn’t make a difference, thanks for all the great content
That’s great, Dave. You can’t go wrong with doing both. 💪🏻
Thank you for this!! Some of the guys I work with have been talking about the Arnold press,,, thanks for clarifying!!
Absolutely man! Thanks for watching my video!
I think you are great Gary ,God bless you,
Noel Smyth.
Thank you so much, Noel! I appreciate you watching my video!
Arnold's reason for this movement is the front delt stretch that happens at the beginning of the movement. Stretching the the muscle before placing under load.
It's not a bad exercise, it's just not the most optimal movement. pattern. Again, I would recommend adding it in to workouts every now and then to change things up; however, don't replace your standard shoulder press with it.
Thanks for your comment!
I have great shoulders my best muscle group. I do shoulder press on a machine cable raise for outer delts and arn presses. For me this is the winning combo. Everyone is built different and what works for one might not for another but this gives me size and great definition. I guess if i was ti only do one exercise it would be a good shoulder press machine so i can put on a lot of weight safely but i have so much better defintion doing the 3 it works for me
I use that sort of press as a shoulder day warmup with a couple other things
AP works all heads of the delt though and OHP only works front delts (which is already an overworked muscle because it’s activated during bench press). The middle delt is hard to target (without spamming lateral raises) so the Arnold press helps me get better middle delt definition. I’d rather do an exercise that targets all delts instead of just one.
when it comes shoulders, lateral raises and all the pull motioned upper body workouts are great. Your front shoulders get all the work they need from bench press, dips, basically any kind of press takes care of it!
Excellent video, thanks.
He's absolutely correct. I can't use more than a 20lb dumbbell while doing the Arnold press. I can use 25's on a regular press and honestly, I don't feel any more in the other parts of my shoulders doing the AP vs. the regular press.
I always felt like the twist did nothing to actually work the shoulder muscles
What if you do shoulder press first, then right after do 4 sets of the Arnold press, do you think it will stimulate the shoulders more causing more growth from all the volume you just did?
I do the opposite actually I do a bit lighter Arnold press to get my shoulders warmed up/stimulated then go into a heavier working set of shoulder press
I feel like I don't get anything out of tthe AP. Ill pass on it.
Well i do OP followed by AP, both variations, one can load more other to strengthen the rotator cuff and overall shoulder stanility 😂
Shoulder press with an Arnold Press dropset
I can shoulder press and arnold press the same weight. I actually find the arnold press more stable. 🤷♂️
Me too, plus I’d rather do a press that targets all heads of the delt instead of just one. The OHP only targets front delts, which is already an overworked muscle (bench presses work front delts nearly as much as pecs). Meanwhile the AP targets all 3 heads of the deltoid.
I completely disagree!
It has been scientifically proven that lifting light for more reps builds just as much muscle than lifting heavy for low reps. Plus you're far less likely to injure yourself lifting light. I've been lifting heavy for years and hit a plateaus. Injured my shoulder and rotator cuff several times trying to lift heavy. Almost crippled my lower back lifting heavy on deadlifts. Ever since I discovered light weight high reps my body has started growing again. Muscles that simply wouldn't grow like my forearms and biceps have finally woken up and getting bigger. No more injuries or little niggles, and its all down to lifting light. Someone gave me this advice yrs ago and I ignored it. Would have saved myself a lot of time, pain and effort if I did what he said.
Hey man, thanks for your comment! "Light weight" is reletive to each individual. I've been coaching for over 27 years and the biggest issue I've seen, is people/coaches who speak in absolutes. When I say heavy, I am talking about 8-12 reps with 0 to 2 RIR. A lot of people automatically equate heavy weight training to 5X5 style training.
Yes, I agree you don't grow muscle optimally if you are lifting below 8 reps for the majority of your training; however, you need to make sure the load you are lifting is extremely challenging within the 8-12 rep range. Otherwise the load is too light to maximize your muscle growth potential.
I have several videos on my channel telling people to lift "lighter" weight for more muscle growth, but lighter is referring to a weight lifted close to failure within the 8-12 rep range, and not so light they you can rep out a weight with 15+ reps. I hope this clarifies it for you! Thanks again for watching my video and leaving a comment🙏🏼
what are you talking about. you will be able to lift heavier with normal shoulder press, meaning you will grow more. arnold press is good for warmup and shoulder health, i do it before lifting heavy. i can do 120s seated db press but 50-60 for arnold press. i get a much better pump in my shoulders from the 120s for sure.
Yeah this guy is a clown. Andrew Tate uses light weight dumbells for his shoulders and his shoulders are impressive.
I don't disagree but I'd love to see someone cite actual research on this.
There’s is actual research; however, it’s hard to do a full fledge research video in 60 seconds. I reviewed several studies prior to doing this video so they’re out there if you want them.