COSMIC Vs GNOME Files ..but it's UI
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- a comparison between various UX elements in GNOME and Cosmic Files, that is pretty much the design language of the two desktops.
00:00 Opening
01:18 Complains
02:09 Menus
02:56 Layouts
03:50 Consistency
04:30 Files Previews
04:58 Modal and Drawers
05:51 Sorting
06:26 Colors
06:50 Responsiveness
07:12 Look n Feel
07:51 Language
08:53 Ending 
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next, GNOME Files Vs Dolphin!! ..oops, i did it already :p
Do it again, don't be lazy
im really enjoying your content mii from one linux user to another looking forward to more content from you keep on linuxing ^^
With a strong technical foundation, it becomes much easier to make improvements on UX as needed. Looking at how cosmic-files was just months ago should make this evident. There are still many months left of work to bring it to the polish needed for a stable release, and I hope the sentiment about our UX will be more favorable at that time.
I really want to see a comparison of cosmic-store and gnome-software - I did a ton of work to optimize cosmic-store to make it the most performant software center out there ;-)
I have a lot more faith in the COSMIC devs listening to input and getting it right (eventually) than the GNOME devs. Oh, and thank you for the video, Mii!
haha, you could say, "i have more faith to Rust than C devs" :pp
@@mii_beta Yup! lol
@@mii_betaEmmanuele Bassi is a Rust dev tho, no? Just GTK is too deep into GObject, so they can't do much unless theh rewrite everything from scratch.
@@softwarelivre2389He only recently started using Rust. He's a C library developer for the 15 years prior. The COSMIC team has been using Rust for the last 10 years.
Couldn't agree more for the command search. It's definitely the future of desktop
Yes, people do still use Paste from the context menu. One of the most annoying things in Gnome Files is that the Copy and Paste options are not in the hamburger menu on the content panel, but do appear in the panel's context menu. When the panel is full of content and you want the context menu to open in the context of the folder rather than a file, it's more troublesome than it ought to be.
you mentioned that gnome files is designed well for touch, but has anyone actually tried gnome on a touchscreen? Files is very buggy and you can't even bring up the context menu because it disappears as soon as you let go of your finger. This also goes for the rest of the desktop
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I use Gnome desktop on x86 tablet, I dont think I have the isues like you, all works fine...but the touch keyboard bring up can cause the windows losing focus
@@ultimateCK you can hold on an item in nautilus and bring up the context menu?
Or scroll normally without it coming up randomly?
@@raidev_ just hold, when the context menu pop up, leaves fingers, the tap the menu items or somewhere else to close the menu
@@raidev_ by the way, I only use Wayland on touchscreen computer, I never tested x11
The "sort direction" thing in Cosmic files looks cool on first glance. It is inspired by column views where you can click the columns multiple times to toggle seach direction, which is a super nice pattern.
However, in the context menu, the button will disappear as the context menu closes (which happens when you click it). That means, if you want to get the sorting into a certain state, you might need to open the context menu twice, and go all the way down to the option.
Unless they fix that, having separate entries for the different search directions is a much better solution for menus.
> However, in the context menu, the button will disappear as the context menu closes
good point, i missed :/
@@mii_beta the Icon Size menu item has the answer: buttons next to the label, and keep the menu open when they're clicked.
The problem with Icon SIze though, is that it's in the navigation panel menu rather than the one next to the list/grid switcher. The navigation panel icons are unaffected by the Icon Size setting.
Your videos are becoming quite good! Keep up the good work.
I don't think AI is a big deal like the video suggests at times, its just a resource intensive gimmick most of the time, to me anyway.
Agreed. But we all know bW really loves AI
I agree, for sure. The contrast between the main view and the sidebar is orgasmic in GNOME Files while Cosmic Files have this raspy unsettling shade of grey. I don't know if it's because the colours are pretty much reversed, maybe that freaks me out a little bit. It feels so wrong.
Oh, also, I don't really like that you have to open the right click menu twice to sort it how you want. A random file manager on Android does this the best. Just give me all the options, coward!
> Oh, also, I don't really like that you have to open the right click menu twice to sort it how you want.
woah, second comment on that, and i actually missed to call it :/
@@mii_beta oh word, I guess mine was first cause I wouldn't have repeated it hah. Either way you showed how it works and that's the most important part. I don't have to listen to youtubers to form every single opinion, sometimes I can use my own head as tiring that can get :3
Nailed it with the "Look and Feel". Despite all their benefits Plasma/Cosmic just hurt my eyes.
go to some good eye doctor.
libadwaita has too little contrast and hurts my eyes, and I have perfect eyes.
4:03 "I want this aspect of my desktop to have LESS functionality because consistency" is... definitely a take alright.
Hearing something like that, then hearing an amazing idea like 6:42 gave me whiplash.
Do inApp themes/color skins break consistency?
@@mii_beta I mean, kinda, yeah. It's like how GTK apps break the consistency of QT color theming unless you install gradience to get it at a closer approximation to the colors of the rest of your theme, and even then GTK/adwaita's window bars are much, much chunkier than the window bars of like 90% of desktop environments out there which I really don't like and wish I could change.
That being said I will always prefer functionality over "consistency", so therefore I like that the file browser can have specific files put on the side bar alongside folders in COSMIC.
I agree 100% with the last sentence in the video. Nothing beats Dolphin's features
lol.... a red file manager and a yellow terminal application seems like something a Plasma user would do :)
I love Gnome looks. I just wish it was lighter and more customisable.
For me, Gnome is the hot looking with bad manners and KDE is the ugly but good mannered 😂
If the URL bar should be under the tabs, then _all_ the toolbar has to go under the tabs. Back/forward, search, everything is related to the current tab. And for Cosmic, the File/Ediit/View menu had to go below the tabs, too, if they were consistent.
There's actually not much which could go over the tabs. They could move the tabs up to the headerbar and move the toolbar below.
But honestly, I don't think it's that big of a deal.
Actually, it would be quite irritating if the toolbar moved down as soon as the tab bar appears. I think Gnome is alight in that regard. At least, it's not worse than Cosmic.
yes, and it works fine that way. FIles for example is like that: github.com/files-community/Files
@@mii_betayeah I prefer that. It's the familiar web browser UI but for file browsing.
@@mii_beta Wow, there is a nother file manager called "files" and it's for Windows? :D
Yes, that surely works. Firefox and Chrome work like this, too.
But note that none of these hide the tab bar when there's only one tab.
It might be possible to create a design where the tab bar appears on top and moves the tool bar down as soon as a second tab is opened, but I guess nobody has done this yet (maybe nobody has tried).
@@aheendwhz1or just have a title bar when there's only one tab and when you add tabs it becomes the tab bar
@@AbteilungsleiterinBeiAntifaEV That would undermine the main advantage of dynamically showing the tab bar, which is saving space.
Also, it might look confusing when some apps have an empty title bar (because they support tabs) and some have a tool bar in the header bar.
I think it would indeed be better to move the toolbar down when tabs are opened.
You misspelled "Nemo" at the end. :)
Nice video
was the train, wasnt it? :)
I kinda prefer the drawers and like that you can favourite files as well, maybe they can separate the favourited files from folders or allow the user to drag them anywhere
I would recommend to make a comparison with figma designs of COSMIC Files, since they are more finalized then one that is implemented RN
The drawer makes sense as it resembles the settings page on a smartphone
But the look and feel still is Gnome’s to win. Hope they update the default styling over the next releases
could do as GNOME; having drawers only on smaller screens; basically it would be cool if Cosmic was much closer to Gnome UX, coz Gnome UX really owns (apart the missing ai)
nah i want to be able to bookmark anything that i interact with in the ifle manager. you can"launch" executable in the file manager without people thinking it's now a "file launcher". I think they are correct in this.
what about tree view? or column view?
what about folder/item color tagging or highlighting like elementary os or mac? shouldn't be that difficult..
Can you link the Nautilus vs dolphin video?
Was a rickrollin joke 😔
1:26 What text editor is that?
Gnome Builder
1+ for command palletes in all apps. I don't know why it is not a thing yet. It's so simple, elegant, fast, intuitive.
Ah, I remember the good old HUD menus on Unity back in the day, such a shame Canonical gave up on it.
@@jonnyso1 I thought about HUB when I wrote the comment. Others DE should have adopt it back then.
gnome files? isnt it named nautilus?
actual gnome is the best of os ui ever i think ))) different color variations is a good idea
red file manager, yellow terminal. yes
I know this is off topic but... are you riding a train in the middle of the freaking ocean?!
Nemo is hands down the best file manager, it looks ugly but u can theme it to make it look aesthetic like i do.
There are some extra 'n' letters in the titles. Just Sayin' 😊
Dolphin rules !
in my opinion Gnome's libadwaita is the best design on any desktop OS and way better than cosmic actually cosmic design is quite ugly
seems like they didn't have enough time to make a good design system for their desktop 😅
Can you start your own discord server ?
i have a Discord, but im not very active on it :/
We KDE nao
whoever invented hamburger menus as main menus in software applications belongs into the endless void of windows design hell
They are doing it! They are creating... KNOME!
Dolphin master race rise up
gnome its goog kde its better
Why
my dad wouldn't know how to use gnome because he comes from windows. my partner wouldn't know how to use plasma because they grew up with good ux.
Nobody wants to touch gtk-rs stop the meme
idk about that, but I could try and collect for example 30 apps started in the last 5 years, and see what langs people are using
Most people would rather touch gtk-rs than GTK C. Many are gravitating to the Relm4 frontend for gtk4-rs in particular.
The voice you used to use was so much better. I don't like this one.
Dolphin is still better 😅
COSMIC is getting better than GNOME already
Cosmic is just so ugly and third-world... it just looks like patchwork stemming from a low-budget and lack of manpower
cosmic is a huge disappointment. back to gnome i guess
the big dis in Cosmic is actually the damn Ubuntu-based distro...
@@mii_beta arch based popos with systemd rewrite in rust
my understanding was that they were going to release cosmic as a standalone DE at some point@@mii_beta
@@paultapping9510 It already is, and Fedora's close to getting approved for the official repositories. Same with NixOS.
Don't get me wrong? Its nice, I've installed it on a desktop?...but I'm a "Gnome-erian" for life. Just something about it,.....and how it flows for me with my work. I give the System76 devs MUCH credit to have cranked out something so awesome and in less than like 20 years?....impressive indeed! But Gnome is where my heart is!....LOL!
I can't believe people are writing new C code in 2024. Especially in such mission critical software as file managers. It's a ridicuously outdated language. Just as you said, I'm not going to even think of contributing to somthing written in c/c++. Rust/Go apps are not only faster but also 1) don't have 20 year old bugs 2) don't have nightmare cmake build systems 3) are beneficial for me to write because I get practice with actual modern technology.
Not to defend C/C++, C/C++ have newer standards, but most of developers will stick to a well defined and used standard, as an example C11 and beyond have good features/improvements over the C89/C99 and we have also C23 which has some overall improvements. but main stream compilers are not supporting all features because compatibility and or portability reasons.
And if we say we ditched C/C++ and used Rust/Zig/Go/C# we will face the big ol' problem of needing to interact with operating Systems and kernels so we'll need to use APIs/ABIs/System Calls which are written either in C/C++ and we'll have the same problems like dealing with FFIs in Rust (which is a whole different beast by itself).
People who comment things like this are probably not developers. There's nothing more idiotic than thinking that just because something is new, it's better.
@@xeriab ABIs are such a mess precisely because all languages go through C ffi which inherits best feature of C, being undefined behaviour.
@@nando3d491 Let me guess, you develop in C profesionally?
*Laughs in Kernel*