Great video, Drew. Another analogy for the charging curve is to think of a glass of water. You can open a tap fully when the glass is empty, and you need to reduce the flow as the glass is close to full.
In Australia many EVs use LFP blade cell batteries. Each cell is about 1.2m long mounted crosswise. They are formatted 126S1P typically into 400V (nom) 62KWhr battery. The battery is liquid cooled on the topside. The batteries are simple (just 126 cells) are quite light, and have considerable structural strength (the pack forms a torsion box). The running performance is very good and the batteries are proving very reliable in service, suffering very little degradation. Howeever, they are limited in fast charge rate. In more expensive vehicles like Teslas, typically to 120KW. The less expensive compact vehicles like BYD are typically limited to 85KW. This is a function of cooling system capacity. None of this matters if you mainly charge at home.
CCS1 and CCS2 and not even being used in the same country, so no one is abando ing one or the other, they are just used in different countries. CCS1 in America and CCS2 in Europe and most other countries outside of Europe. Hope that helps 🙂
Tesla has really been shaking up the backup battery world as of late, you should do a video on the LFP Powerwall 3, the expansion pack, the meter collar transfer switch, etc. It's a really fascinating product (I work in residential solar+backup battery, so I can testify firsthand to it's awesomeness)
I never understood why the smaller batteries for PHEVs are not using LFP. They have a really rough cycle life and small capacity so they will degrade FAR faster than any BEV (PS: Chevy refused to honor warranty due to degradation on a friends vehicle). PS: I really hope the name NACS sticks because it sounds good, is clear (its for north america only due to no 3 phase), its brand agnostic and it sounds a lot better than SAE J3400.
I've only had one stretch that required me to charge to 100% in order to complete my road trip drive. Vicksburg MS, to Little Rock, took 93% to make the drive back in September. Otherwise 70% is usually the stopping point between charges on most trips
I just went on my first long road trip with extended family, including kids, caravaning in multiple teslas and I ended up charging to 100% a lot more often than normal. After getting to 70% or whatever, the kids would then decide that they had to go pee, or someone would remember they want to grab some snacks. Or whatever else. So what was supposed to be a 15 minute charging stop becomes a 40 minute stop, and we're pushing up the charge limit to maximize use of it.
Very informative video. Thank you for making one. Since I live in the EU is there a chance that you could make a similar video on other markets than the USA? I would appreciate it a lot. If not, do you know if there is that kind of video already made? I haven't been able to find one yet. Also another video suggestion: HW changes that have happened in EVs in the recent years. Would be cool to now what model years I should look at when looking for a used EV.
Be interesting have information on the importance of having a Battery Heater and a Thermal Battery Management System so that the Battery Pack is not only protected from cold and heat but for optimum performance
My question would be about battery serviceability. I've seen the Ford Lightning battery serviced by replacing one section instead of the whole thing, and similar service on Nissan Leafs (Leaves?). What about everyone else?
To the best of my knowledge, all 3 and Y in the US also use NCA battery and not NMC battery. NCA appears to be more energy dense, which will give your vehicle more range. I think 3 and Y made outside US (like China and Germany) have NMC battery instead of NCA
Great vid! The most frequent question I got after getting an EV was "how long does it take to charge it from empty to full?" Once you live with an EV, you realize that this question is stupid, because you would never do that. You only ever charge it as much as you need to. Just a different mindset.
15:30 “ have a question. Comment below”. I see RUclipsrs say this often but almost none bother to engage with their audience. I always found that strange. Takes 10 min to jump in and mix it up.
LFP still degrades at 100%, and cycling from 100%-75% is more damage than 100-0%. So definitely worth lowering the charge level depending on how you use the car, as long as you cycle to 100% with some regularity. Tesla said once per week, ford says once per month.
Degrades at any percentage. But yeah you don’t want to leave it at 100% for long periods. Rest assured LFP cycle life is so high you’ll probably have other issues with the car before it degrades that badly
I’ve gotta push back on the notion that the new admin’s likely elimination of the EV tax credit will push Tesla to reintroduce foreign-made LFP battery models into the lineup. The new admin is *also* likely to increase tariffs on foreign EV batteries. That means that, while the “carrot” to buy NMC will likely go away, there will now instead be a new/increased “stick” to buy LFP. The net effect is that the unsubsidized price of new EVs with foreign batteries will simply go up - and the unsubsidized cost for Tesla to build an LFP SR+ model will rise to the point where it approaches the price to build an NMC LR RWD model (and thus I doubt it would be “worth it” to reintroduce the LFP SR+ model). The only way I see Tesla going back to LFP is if they can start making LFP batteries cost effectively *in America.*
Not sure if this is correct, but Tesla got some machines from China to make batteries in Nevada and I think they are the LFP. So if they make them in Nevada, even with Chinese tech, they would be exempt from tariffs. That's what I read somewhere anyway. They got the hardware from CATL early last year. Apologies in advance if this is totally wrong. Edit, those batteries may be for megapacks and not for cars.
i understand *why* youre saying 1865 for the model S/X, but i have never in my life ever heard of them referred to that way, its always 18650. again, i understand *WHY* youre doing it its just weird. also, lets hope that your employer, Telo is working on an LFP battery version of the truck
It seems there's a push to drop the 0 on the end and just call them 1865. The first four are the diameter and length in mm, and the last was a chemistry designation, Li-ion being "0". Since they're all Li-ion now, we don't need the "0", which is why they've left it off of the newer cells and, for consistency, starting to drop it from the 18650s as well.
Americans are just going to get screwed over even more with the next administration. It will be in different ways and in different areas, but it will be a pretty major net-loss. They're "solutions" will mostly make the problems they're supposed to solve worse, not better.
Great video, Drew. Another analogy for the charging curve is to think of a glass of water. You can open a tap fully when the glass is empty, and you need to reduce the flow as the glass is close to full.
Awesome video. Finally an EV channel that is not serving clickbait bs. Love the crisp clean and complete explanation. I subscribe !
In Australia many EVs use LFP blade cell batteries. Each cell is about 1.2m long mounted crosswise. They are formatted 126S1P typically into 400V (nom) 62KWhr battery. The battery is liquid cooled on the topside.
The batteries are simple (just 126 cells) are quite light, and have considerable structural strength (the pack forms a torsion box).
The running performance is very good and the batteries are proving very reliable in service, suffering very little degradation.
Howeever, they are limited in fast charge rate. In more expensive vehicles like Teslas, typically to 120KW. The less expensive compact vehicles like BYD are typically limited to 85KW. This is a function of cooling system capacity. None of this matters if you mainly charge at home.
I think a good educational video you could make is explaining the differences between CCS1 and 2 and why we’re abandoning CCS1.
CCS1 and CCS2 and not even being used in the same country, so no one is abando ing one or the other, they are just used in different countries. CCS1 in America and CCS2 in Europe and most other countries outside of Europe. Hope that helps 🙂
CCS2 is also being abandoned to NACS. But only in the US. CCS1 was simply too slow, the plug did not allow that many watts.
I can't wait to see non Tesla NACS cars. One day it will be so normal we wont even think about it!
*european tears*
Well done. Great explanation of EV batteries and other things. I'm a solar hobbyist and I learn a thing or two in this video.
This is a really good video! New model 3 with LFP sounds really appealing
Great analogy with the parking space. Good explanation.
Tesla has really been shaking up the backup battery world as of late, you should do a video on the LFP Powerwall 3, the expansion pack, the meter collar transfer switch, etc. It's a really fascinating product (I work in residential solar+backup battery, so I can testify firsthand to it's awesomeness)
This is super helpful. Thanks Drew!
Great Video, thank you Drew
I never understood why the smaller batteries for PHEVs are not using LFP. They have a really rough cycle life and small capacity so they will degrade FAR faster than any BEV (PS: Chevy refused to honor warranty due to degradation on a friends vehicle).
PS: I really hope the name NACS sticks because it sounds good, is clear (its for north america only due to no 3 phase), its brand agnostic and it sounds a lot better than SAE J3400.
I've only had one stretch that required me to charge to 100% in order to complete my road trip drive. Vicksburg MS, to Little Rock, took 93% to make the drive back in September. Otherwise 70% is usually the stopping point between charges on most trips
I just went on my first long road trip with extended family, including kids, caravaning in multiple teslas and I ended up charging to 100% a lot more often than normal. After getting to 70% or whatever, the kids would then decide that they had to go pee, or someone would remember they want to grab some snacks. Or whatever else. So what was supposed to be a 15 minute charging stop becomes a 40 minute stop, and we're pushing up the charge limit to maximize use of it.
Very informative video. Thank you for making one.
Since I live in the EU is there a chance that you could make a similar video on other markets than the USA? I would appreciate it a lot. If not, do you know if there is that kind of video already made? I haven't been able to find one yet.
Also another video suggestion: HW changes that have happened in EVs in the recent years. Would be cool to now what model years I should look at when looking for a used EV.
That's some mighty fine kindling you got there
Great job Drew 👏
Do more videos like this.
Be interesting have information on the importance of having a Battery Heater and a Thermal Battery Management System so that the Battery Pack is not only protected from cold and heat but for optimum performance
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I looooooooooove batteries 😁
Hey Drew ! Looking forward to your videos on the new tesla model Y !
Think there will ever be a model s plaid with an lfp battery pack?
My question would be about battery serviceability. I've seen the Ford Lightning battery serviced by replacing one section instead of the whole thing, and similar service on Nissan Leafs (Leaves?). What about everyone else?
Great vid
can you react to the whislinDiesel cybertryck durability videos
U in Vegas tho'?
What is different between mca battery in the model s, x and mnc battery in the y and 3. Any characteristics different?
To the best of my knowledge, all 3 and Y in the US also use NCA battery and not NMC battery. NCA appears to be more energy dense, which will give your vehicle more range. I think 3 and Y made outside US (like China and Germany) have NMC battery instead of NCA
Does that sticker on the window bother anyone else?
“That” sticker on “the” window? You should time stamp as I have no idea what sticker you’re talking about and am likely not the only one.
Does that include the model Y of the year 2023 in the month of December?
What version are you taking about? RWD, Long Range or Performance?
@ Late 2023 AWD dual model Y , I was just trying to figure out the battery pack size, if it was 80 kw?
@@glenjones172 it’s probably 82 kWh NCA 2170 cylindrical battery
@ Thank you very much.
Standard range model 3 and y has smaller battery pack i think. Not 80kwh. Am i right?
Yeah typically 60kWh but in the US they’re not making any
I think as Battery Technology gets better, you soon may not have to charge our cars very often... 🔋
Great vid! The most frequent question I got after getting an EV was "how long does it take to charge it from empty to full?" Once you live with an EV, you realize that this question is stupid, because you would never do that. You only ever charge it as much as you need to. Just a different mindset.
15:30 “ have a question. Comment below”. I see RUclipsrs say this often but almost none bother to engage with their audience. I always found that strange. Takes 10 min to jump in and mix it up.
LFP still degrades at 100%, and cycling from 100%-75% is more damage than 100-0%. So definitely worth lowering the charge level depending on how you use the car, as long as you cycle to 100% with some regularity. Tesla said once per week, ford says once per month.
Degrades at any percentage. But yeah you don’t want to leave it at 100% for long periods. Rest assured LFP cycle life is so high you’ll probably have other issues with the car before it degrades that badly
Look like my vape batteries and those always dying
I’ve gotta push back on the notion that the new admin’s likely elimination of the EV tax credit will push Tesla to reintroduce foreign-made LFP battery models into the lineup.
The new admin is *also* likely to increase tariffs on foreign EV batteries. That means that, while the “carrot” to buy NMC will likely go away, there will now instead be a new/increased “stick” to buy LFP.
The net effect is that the unsubsidized price of new EVs with foreign batteries will simply go up - and the unsubsidized cost for Tesla to build an LFP SR+ model will rise to the point where it approaches the price to build an NMC LR RWD model (and thus I doubt it would be “worth it” to reintroduce the LFP SR+ model).
The only way I see Tesla going back to LFP is if they can start making LFP batteries cost effectively *in America.*
Not sure if this is correct, but Tesla got some machines from China to make batteries in Nevada and I think they are the LFP. So if they make them in Nevada, even with Chinese tech, they would be exempt from tariffs. That's what I read somewhere anyway. They got the hardware from CATL early last year. Apologies in advance if this is totally wrong. Edit, those batteries may be for megapacks and not for cars.
i understand *why* youre saying 1865 for the model S/X, but i have never in my life ever heard of them referred to that way, its always 18650. again, i understand *WHY* youre doing it its just weird.
also, lets hope that your employer, Telo is working on an LFP battery version of the truck
It seems there's a push to drop the 0 on the end and just call them 1865. The first four are the diameter and length in mm, and the last was a chemistry designation, Li-ion being "0". Since they're all Li-ion now, we don't need the "0", which is why they've left it off of the newer cells and, for consistency, starting to drop it from the 18650s as well.
can't watch now you have Spanish dubs
Under trump administration Tesla stock will hit $1500 ,so next Four year Tesla stock is good 👍
Why do you believe that? So what evidence do you have that is not in the public domain that would have led you to such a conclusion?
Nope. Still just garbage.
Seems like you almost gagged when you mentioned the “next administration”. Would you agree it’s time to stop screwing over the American taxpayer?
Americans are just going to get screwed over even more with the next administration. It will be in different ways and in different areas, but it will be a pretty major net-loss. They're "solutions" will mostly make the problems they're supposed to solve worse, not better.
Really! So based on your question, can I assume that you voted for Donald Trump?