Mill + Lathe = Willemin 408MT
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- We bought a Willemin! We are stoked to get this machine up and running!
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seeing all that plastic wrapping i kept wondering if there was some sort of implement john could use to aid in its removal. glad to see he had one.
The new RaskSaga perhaps. Everyone needs a knifepen!
@@sarahjrandomnumbers KnifeWrench!
For kids.
@@JamesChurchill3 Well they've got to start somewhere!
I remember the videos of programming the Tormach in a garage. So much has happened since then!
Nice purchase John! At work we have three 408 MTs and they even make parts of similar geometry and size. And boy the are fast :) Greetings from Germany
It's good that it has the receiver installed because fanuc servicing to add more memory for probing is not cheap.
We finally get to see John's Willie!
Always nice to see how happy a child is with his new toys :)
All but 2 of the mills at the shop I work at are from 1999 or before and they still work great. We even got them networked with our modern server.
I have worked at Hammill manufacturing in Maumee Ohio and probably use to run this specific machine. I'm pretty sure the shop you are referring to is Hammill medical. I've since moved on from machining but enjoy your channel and this makes it a little more touching 🤣
Im in love with your Videos
Lucky! That Hermle is an awesome machine!
That Lns barfeeder is just like several that we have at my work. You may find it handy to zip tie the door sensors (that is on the back of the door) together, as you can then fix issues while it is running .
Yeah, because there is no valid reason why those sensors are there in the first place?
@@xmtxx I Know that there are many good safety reasons for door sensors, jamming sensors ect on machine tools. However sometimes I get the feeling that some of these sensors are a form of idiot control. At least with this barfeeder model specifically there are multiple layers of safety. And even when not running, but just fixing issues, the door sensor can be a real pain, and operators have been sometimes forced to bypass simply because we were struggling to diagnose it otherwise due to the minuscule window. The sensors for the channel that the bar sits in yeah, do NOT mess with those. But the simple door switch, it might be a option if you have a quality operator.
Sometimes there are good reasons that machinists 20+ years into their career sometimes bypass certain, switches.
@@flymetal323 Famous last words before loosing a finger or two.
Ok, maybe when you are troubleshooting something, you can disengage the safety, because you are going to be laser focus on the machine behavior.
But right when you are finished, better put it back.
Been watching you since about 2015 when i was looking into mini mills. I found your video about the Grizzly. Been watching you since. Quite impressive growth. Keep it up
Awesome to see a new video. Keep up the work. You should paint it, a fresh design maybe in Kern Red :D
Greetings Form Germany
Standard machine tool green hammered
Agree with the painting, a good looking shop lifts the spirit of any worker.
Wonderful machine! Good luck in working with VM. I have been buying only used machines for several years, and everything is fine.
New machines always bring a smile. :-)
John, shop around and check if you can find the same panel used in your new machines and review the feasibility to swap them up. Best. AG
Exciting times! Can't wait to see you get this thing going.
I have lots of knives The most expensive being a Spyderco para 3. My goal is to own a Norseman. I don't want to buy used, don't want something that someone has taken apart. This is a goal of mine now money is just so damn tight
I am excited to see this machine
12:00 THIS IS WHY I HATE LOATHE FANUC!!!! I had spent most of my time on FANUC controls and I never really hand much exposure to much else. That changed 2 year ago when I went to a shop with Citizen Cincom controls on the Swiss machines and Miyano Lathes. We have several vintages of Citizen swiss machines some are pretty old. We also have a recent model Miyano BNE 51MSY. All of the machines have the same user interface. The FANUC machines all had some basics that were shared, but they could vary wildly depending on the model of the control.
That thing on top is probably not the spindle chiller but a mist collector?
Love the new machine!
So I must strongly correct you, in the beginning of the video you said "mill-turn." That is a "turn-mill." 😊 My company got a DMG NTX3000 which is similar, a lathe spindle with a 5-axis head. I took pictures of the delivery and the owner's son posted them on Linkedin and said "mill-turn." The owner found me the next morning and asked if I did that post and that it is a "TURN-MILL." So I had to find his son, future president of our company and tell him you dad said fix the post 😆😆😆😆
I think it's irrelevant, DMG cant even decide.
They list them under the category Turn & Mill but refer to the machine itself as Mill Turn.
I'd call an NTX a B axis lathe or a mill turn and something like a Mazak integrex e1060V a multitasking machine but it's also a millturn, I think I base it on whether it's a horizontal or vertical machine and whether the spindle can cross the Centreline by a decent amount
Another machine!? You're going to need a bigger shop if you keep going at it like this 🤣
so please correct me if i'm wrong, but why do they make such a huge machine considering the very small rodstock it works with? that lathe chuck looked what 10cm in diameter at most? yet the machine is taller than John. It seems a bit overengineered especially that rod feeder but i guess that's how the world of proper machining is right?
The smaller the parts you make, the more stability you need.
more mass means less possible vibration and therefore more possible accuracy and better surfaces with higher material removal rate and therefore also longer tool live (especially with carbide you need a certain minimum of use for it to have to longest possible lifespan).
each additional feature tends to add mass and volume, wether it is a bar feeder, an extended mafazine, or high pressure cooling system.
you also don't want to constantly run at the maximum that each component can handle, as constant 100% load (or constant changing of load) will stringly increase wear, heat generation and noise (with pneumatics, for example). so a bit of "overengineering" tends to reduce or alleviate these possibilities.
some of it is also enclosure and safety features, which are absolutely necessary.
some parts also simply need more space, think for example about the milling head here. you turn it 90° to drill some goles into the face of a part, but where does the spindle go, especially with safety distances and such.
then there's also the fact that larger workloads need larger machines as well (this one isn't that big), so there's also the possibility of either growing (putting on a larger chuck for specific parts, for example), or to have more possibilities in gow to use the space.
and last but not least, there's also cost and usefullness to balance. you can't easily make the spindle too big, as that'd also increase the need for more material and more wallthixkness for strength, while also requiring larger bearings, possibly more speciallized tooling, and for what? so that one in tenthousand customers can use 55mm material in the barfeeder instead of 40mm? the losses due to the increased price for everyone then far outweigh the maybe one or rwo more customers, whim you can easily offer a more custom solution (if they have very specific requests, they know that their product will work and therefore can invest more into a more speciallized machine than the "average" shop doing all kinds of work who need a machine to simply run).
don't let a machines size fool you, my maho 600 is also talker than me, but it needs that space (and i don't even have a full enclosure ...). there's much, much more that goes into the design of a machine, and size constraints tend to be so far at the bottom of the list that they are of only very little interest for massproduced machines (within boundaries ... noone would buy a machine as large as a house for a work volume of a liter). and not everything that contrivlbutes to the size is the machine, sometimes it's just enclosure or empty space for things to move around in.
You bought this to make clips. Having seen it, does it make you think of other parts it would be better at making? Or new things that are possible now?
Why didn’t you buy a new sliding head their about 90k UK new and will mill and turn and have a twin spindle ?
Bought a mill turn machine to make pen pocket clips. I like your style
believe it or not there's a market for fancy pens and they are not cheap!
How do you plan to program for this machine? unless you want to do a lot of hand edits you are going to need a higher end professional cam software such as Esprit or Gibbscam which supports arbitrary configurations of multi-tasking machines. This machine can do a lot but fusion 360 will be the bottle neck. Programming for your swiss lathe would also be a lot more pleasant because of synchronizing the wait codes for the main and sub side. I know high end CAM software is expensive but you need it. Hand editing and verifying the tool path is no fun with these machines.
Fusion 360 works great. Post works with zero hand edits.
@@CJAbraham Was this new functionality added in the recent update where you can define the machine kinematics? I would like to know more about how you can program the pick-up vise on the willemin or use the full functionality of a swiss lathe? Also fusion 360 has no ability to control the syncronization of the wait codes for dual path controllers so they would need to be added by hand. Fusion 360 can do some 5 axis programing but does not handle 6+ axis lathes with independent movement on the sub side, that is where fusion 360 still has some limitations, But if Autodesk brings in the features from their swiss lathe CAM software Partmaker fusion could be usable for these machines, show me a video of Fusion 360 doing pinch turning and I will be impressed.
@@KerseyKyle there has always been an operation in the turning section called “Secondary spindle chuck” that defines the approach and clamping position for a sub spindle or, for the Willemin, a vise.
Great! But... you will need CAM system now to program it. Can recommend SolidCAM.
Fusion 360 will run it
@@CJAbraham with some manual gcode editing it can work.
@@MishkaVinetsky Fusion 360 outputs code for the 408MT that doesn't need manual editing. Post and go.
@@CJAbraham can you simulate the machine movements in Fusion?
My mistake. It simple head-table configuration. I guess Fusion can do it as well. Ones you buy W508MT, contact me for SolidCAM demo :)
Combo lathe, i think is the name for these... i think.
Whens the next machine show in thr states, or how would i find this out?
Google is your friend
So cool
Holy fuck the kern was 800k? Jesus. Didn't know the knife business was so lucrative.
Insane, ain't it?
Good for him though. It means he is doing things right.
@@loukola5353 for sure. But when he bought that it had to be a major ass risk. Gambling in a way.
this is a mill turn obviously
Good luck lol
First! Can't wait to watch 😁