Nice! Thanks fo all your hard work here! I chose the first mic every single time for clarity but my guess was mic number two was Neumann because it had more of a vintage sound. It came through very clearly on my Marantz.
Thank you for taking the time to create and upload this video. People like you are the reason RUclips is such a success. You did a beautiful job. I'm very grateful.
I was going to be highly surprised if Mic 1 hadn't been the Neumann. That being said, great job on the build, it sounds great, and you produced an excellent video with a very well done shoot out. Good playing too!
This was great! Thank you so much for doing this. The mic parts sounded sooo good to me! It was the clear winner to my ears! I modded a tube mic using Microphone parts RK-12 capsule and it is so nice. I choose it over my neuman tlm 102 all the time. Microphone parts rules!
This is so good!! I actually prefer the DIY mic! That is wild, you definitely have done this perfectly. Great voice! Solid pitch and nice delivery, well done all round.
I am doing this mod this week Jan 31, 2021. I did just the capsule upgrade to start out, sounded so much better I bought the pcb upgrade. Anxious to get it completed. Thanks for the video 👍(thumbs up here as I know you don’t care about them on your channel)
THanks, this was a great shoutout ! No need for fancy singing/playing/ whatever, differences were pretty obvious to my ears :) I immediately recognize the clone, and like the majority of them, it as a more prominent low end and top end. The U87 is definitely smoother and more detailed. Not a bad mic though for the price !
both were fantastic. There was a little more definition in a mic in the test. I think I would be very happy with a cheaper mic with such a high performance. The PCB was designed by a famous sound guy.
I prefer mic 2. Regardless of that though, the sheer value of the NoMann in comparison is staggering. $424 for the MXL990 and the mods from mic parts (with the old circuit replacement) and to end up with the two sounding so similar.
What made me realize that Mic #1 was the Neumann was the transient response. It just picked up the kicks, snares, and strumming of the guitar better. All percussive elements sounded snappier and crisper. There was barely a difference on vocals. A small difference, yes, but still barely a difference. You'd be hard-pressed to pick the difference in those mics out in a full mix on vocals.
Exactly my realisation too. Snappier and crisper but less brittle. And I am absolutely not a gear nerd and believe they are overpriced, but I could hear these differences
Really interesting, i guessed the neumann correctly, it seemed to have some more depth and more 'tail' on the sound, but there were definately places where i preferred the MP. That shows me again that you need to make a decision relative too the situation/source :)
Yes, absolutely. Mic #1, the Neumann, just seems to compress the individual tracks in quite a smooth, to my feel soft brush-stroke kind of way which appealingly takes an edge off, but then in the mix the cumulative effect is a slight loss of life.
I knew right away that #1 is Neumann bc it has something like a compression on it, second mic has more dynamics and I wouldn't like that if I wanted a 87 clone, other than that #2 is veeeery slighlty darker and sounds almost exaclty the same if we forget the dynamics thing. Thank you for the comparison!
One seems to represent more of the frequency spectrum. If that's the Nomann I'm buying one. I have David Royer's replica , Mojave MA- 300 love it. Good shoot out
Great job with the video and playing! There are small but noticeable differences between the two mics. The MP mic had a touch more low-end (on guitar) and a very pleasant hi-mid bump. Thanks for sharing!
I think the real story starts at 6:46. Raw tracks never get used in a mix. What do they sound like when you put them in a real life situation? Personally, in the mix, with the effects, through headphones, if I’m not looking at the screen I can tell when the switch occurs. So that’s good enough for me. Full disclosure. I’m the alter ego of blastedusernames and I did the video. And I’m not a pro so don’t have those discerning ears that can pick up such subtle differences.
I'm sitting here with all new Creative speakers for my computer, and I'm not completely convinced by them yet, but to my ears, with these speakers, I feel that Mic 1 has sliiightly more presence than Mic 2. Mostly on guitar, actually. I thought it would be easy to hear with the shakers, but there they sound about the same. The difference on guitar is almost like a fresh set of strings has been put on between the mics, and for the vocals, "s" sounds slightly muted in Mic 2. I think both mics are pretty good, and I would have a hard time choosing if I didn't have to pay for them, but they're not quite a matched pair. If I were to guess, I would say Mic 2 is the Neumann with older components. Building the Nomann is a good investment, though, depending on how much the components cost.
When you built the mic did you go with the flat response or high end rolloff setup? I just bought the mic kit and was curious what the most similar way to go. Thanks for the video!
Man these seemed pretty close. Mic 1 had a certain mid and "quickness" to it that made it seem more in your face. Mic 2 seemed a little softer but I think also had a little more bass. I preferred Mic 1 but based off this I think I am gonna order me one of those clones. I heard their 251 clone too on another channel where it was shot out with a real Elam 251, a C24, and WarmAudio 251. For me it was the Elam and the Microphone Parts that were my favorite there. Thanks for the great shootout. Think I am gonna save some $$$ and make great recordings.
I was so bummed out because I did not see which microphone was 1 or 2. During my listening I was sure that mic 2 was the Neumann, and that made me sad because I liked that one the most, it sounded more mix ready and less rough in the high end for my ears. Scrolled through the description and found the answer, and got super happy that in fact my favorite was the one I can make and afford for my own studio. The microphone looked different than what's shown on MP-webpage though, its the S87 I guess? Did you upgrade any parts or choose something specific to get that high-end roll off? Great Video!
marvelous review. it just rocks. 👍👍👍 and about the mic... they sound pretty close to me, just noticed a really tiny difference and i guessed the 1rst one was the Neumann, but boy you have made a Nodoubtmann great replica. Thanks so so so much for this review, it's as enlightenment as enjoyable. Thanks ! 🙏
I have listened to a lot of mic comparisons recently, and I feel like my ability to hear the differences has improved a lot. These two mics don't sound very much alike to me, and it was pretty easy to guess the Neumann was Mic #1. It has a much more hyped high end. I liked the NoMann a lot, I just don't think it sounds much like the Neumann. That is not an insult in any way. It's a good sounding mic in its own regard. If both mics were in my mic locker I would use the Neumann on acoustic guitar, but probably use the clone on most other sources.
Only heard the difference on the vocals and the shakers. The replica has a boost around the 300hz range, and somewhere over 15k. The low-end boost is probably caused by the MXL body and the top must be some difference in the electronics. No two microphones sound the same though. For the price, the replica sounds really close to the original U87. I used a mic that a guy built in town with a U47 capsule that retailed for a 1000$ and it blew my mind. Replicas are really good more affordable options.
I hear a difference especially in the transients. As if the playings sounded tighter with the mic #1, and a bit sloppy with the mic #2. The mic #2 seems to be close to the distortion, too.
Thanks for the nice comparison. Listening to them by headset without watching the video It seemed to me as if someone closed or opened the curtain when changing between the mics. Later I saw it was mic1 with open, mic2 with closed "curtains" => mic 1 was more open and detailed.
One thing - that guitar sounds APSOLUTELY AMAZING. At first I was sure its Martin because I skipped the beginning of the video - and was wondering what strings you use to get such clean bass - then I saw its not Martin at all.. Its better !
Very interesting!! Great comparison. Before checking the true identities, I felt #2 just had something a little extra. More dimension/depth. More, air? Otoh, #1 had a more pleasing bass response, particularly noticeable on the kick drum. Been meaning to try a MP kit. Got 2 donors, this may have put me over the edge. Thanks!
Like your attitude ! No frills. I have a S-87 and I still get a kick out of those comparisons. I will get a 2nd one for stereo takes. This mic is wonderful. I have to say that #1 was smoother, and #2 a little harsher/agressive in raw takes but it got closer after treatment - of course. I use mine with a 737sp behind and ooooooh boy, it is nice, the difference between both is very sleek. The money I saved I was able to use for the 737sp which can be used as an insert, unlike the U87. Kidding, tho. I'd still love to add that legend of a mic to my collection. Thank you for this cool, very objective video.
On my Focal cms50s the U87 gives a bit smoother mids and is natural in the fundamental, The MP sounds every bit as good if not preferable in the mix here, though - it (somehow) tracks the upper harmonic more smoothly and your voice benefited a lot from it in this tune & arrangement. For my taste the U87 sounded a bit too crispy and inconsistent from about 5kHz on up.
Mic #1 sounded smoother, warmer, less brittle. More bottom and high end. So guessed Neumann correctly. I felt #2 broke up on the loud parts, but perhaps due to coarseness. But was close.
Great shootout. Turns out I preferred the Neumann, as stacked up, the mix was smoother and less congested in the highs. The Neumann also has a little bit more depth and reach. For 375, the Nomann is a very decent, very capable microphone.
@@toothacheforever8437 That's actually and factually incorrect there's no way that a $375 mic can sound better than a 4K mic but for what it is it's an excellent mic for the money.
@@Tonyplat98 oh, there are 1000s of ways and the evidence is peppered throughout the many productions done while under the influence of cocaine, alcohol, a messy divorce, the tail-end of a lousy contract, chasing mistaken notions of what will bring glory, etc
The 1 is way more detailed and has more harmonic content, where the 2 is a bit compressed and lacking in the presence, a kind of fog on it. The 1 sounds always magical, expecially when the voice gets louder, there it is even better. The U87 i is an incredible mic! The Clone is super cool for the price but can not compare if you need that dream sound. Is just a tiny bit but makes a difference. I heard thru Beyerdynamic DT 880 and Amphion Two 18. Very, very good shootout! And sound. Yeahh!!!
Wow. I heard the lower bass come out in #2 and I can see why those freqs were designed out of the Neumann. But all in all the mics had veeery similar color. Either way you stack it that clone's worth is waaay beyond its cost. Thanks this was good.
Don't know which one is which yet, I'm going to check in a minute but I preferred Mic 2 because it sounded slightly more full and sensitive to the sound. But if it turns out that mic 1 is 4 times cheaper than mic 2 I wouldn't hesitate to buy mic 1.
I’m only listening on beats earbuds, but…the difference between the two sounds negligible to me. There is a slight difference, but not enough to matter I don’t think. I could make a mix work with either mic based on this. Thanks for going to the trouble, man!
GREAT comparison.. perfect.. I did guess the mics.. very obvious on drums. Neuman is a lot firmer in the midrange and especially in the low end. But quite OK sound from the NoMann... although not the best for drums. In the complete mix though the results are pretty similar. And the Neumann is in no way worth the cost here. Just put a better BD and snare mic on there, and use the NuMann for the rest
they're very close. #1 has just a touch more presence and #2 seems to have a little bit more proximity effect. Based on that, I guessed #1 as the neumann. just out of curiosity, do you remember which capacitor value you used for the roll off cap? i have the s3-87 and itd be useful to have this comparison as a reference for cap value
Nice sound with inexpensive equipment, except the U87. At first, I couldn't tell them apart, until he started singing higher notes. Then, I noticed the S3-87 was slightly darker. Less noticeable in the mix. Good for the money, tho. I've never had the opportunity to compare my MJE "Fatboy" to a U87; but it might be in the same league.
Thx for sharing. I've been wanting to make one of those. I'd like to hear the U47 colone. Also which kit was it exactly, because they have 2 deferent one's. Thx again
All I can hear is DIY has more low-end but I can't decide which one sounds better... I would say it doesn't matter. For the money DIY is a clear choice.
My thoughts exactly. They are slightly different from one another, but it’s subtle. And that difference really isn’t enough to matter. Truth is, when you actually mix it with either mic, you’re gonna make some moves to shape the mix in the direction you want it to go. Those moves might be slightly different depending on the mic, but ultimately you could make a killer mix with either one from what I can tell.
Mic 1 clearly had more top end presence, was generally more detailed up there. The mids and lows were pretty damn close, would have loved to hear bass cab or something. Not really surprised that the Nuemann was mic 1. That being said, I preferred the final mix from mic 2; it was more flattering on the snare drum in particular. I think had you had a great session player on a killer kit the opposite would likely be true. Just goes to show that a good producer/engineer can really make or break a recording with subtle differences like this.
The reveal as to which is which is in the description.
Awesome. I wrongly believed that Mic#2 was the Neumann. Excellent job.
Haha definitely an awesome review sir, thank you for the Post
Nice! Thanks fo all your hard work here! I chose the first mic every single time for clarity but my guess was mic number two was Neumann because it had more of a vintage sound. It came through very clearly on my Marantz.
i guess I'm quite randomly asking but do anyone know of a good site to stream new tv shows online?
@Neil Bruno flixportal :D
This is EXACTLY how microphone comparisons should be done Sir! hope to hear more of this in this channel.
Agreed 100%
Wow. They’re darn close but I thought the second mic just had a touch more detail and clarity. Sounds like the clone is an excellent value.
Holy crap! I actually *prefer* the NoMann!!
Me too! I was sure that 2 was the real Neumann! The highs are more velvety, the lows are more substantial. My mind is blown 🤯
Thank you for taking the time to create and upload this video. People like you are the reason RUclips is such a success. You did a beautiful job. I'm very grateful.
Oh Yes! I prefer the NoMann, it sounded a bit more smooth, I honestly thought it was the Neumann. Thanks for this shootout!
Me too.
Same here. I have a vintage 87 from 1971 and it sounds very similar to mic number 2. Soft and warm
I was going to be highly surprised if Mic 1 hadn't been the Neumann. That being said, great job on the build, it sounds great, and you produced an excellent video with a very well done shoot out. Good playing too!
Hmmm, I am, surprisingly, impressed with my ears. I guessed the Nuemann was No.1. Just a little more air.
This was great! Thank you so much for doing this. The mic parts sounded sooo good to me! It was the clear winner to my ears! I modded a tube mic using Microphone parts RK-12 capsule and it is so nice. I choose it over my neuman tlm 102 all the time. Microphone parts rules!
This is so good!! I actually prefer the DIY mic! That is wild, you definitely have done this perfectly. Great voice! Solid pitch and nice delivery, well done all round.
I am doing this mod this week Jan 31, 2021. I did just the capsule upgrade to start out, sounded so much better I bought the pcb upgrade. Anxious to get it completed. Thanks for the video 👍(thumbs up here as I know you don’t care about them on your channel)
NO…..!!!!! I am in disbelief after reading the description... That last paragraph of the description is GOLD.
I absolutely just knew that mic #2 was the Neumann. Shocked! This was great.
This is how shoot outs should all be... awesome video. Well done. Also I’ve been told I’m wise behind my ears and I could hardly tell a difference
THanks, this was a great shoutout ! No need for fancy singing/playing/ whatever, differences were pretty obvious to my ears :)
I immediately recognize the clone, and like the majority of them, it as a more prominent low end and top end. The U87 is definitely smoother and more detailed. Not a bad mic though for the price !
Mic #1 is the winner more clear ! Mic #2 has a little distortion !
both were fantastic. There was a little more definition in a mic in the test. I think I would be very happy with a cheaper mic with such a high performance. The PCB was designed by a famous sound guy.
You're a fantastic musician. You are the one making these mics sound good.
The Neumann is a bit smoother in the middle and tighter on the bottom end, but honestly they both sound great!!
I do these kind of comparisons a lot and they sound the same to me. Nice!
I prefer mic 2. Regardless of that though, the sheer value of the NoMann in comparison is staggering. $424 for the MXL990 and the mods from mic parts (with the old circuit replacement) and to end up with the two sounding so similar.
What made me realize that Mic #1 was the Neumann was the transient response.
It just picked up the kicks, snares, and strumming of the guitar better. All percussive elements sounded snappier and crisper.
There was barely a difference on vocals. A small difference, yes, but still barely a difference. You'd be hard-pressed to pick the difference in those mics out in a full mix on vocals.
Exactly my realisation too. Snappier and crisper but less brittle. And I am absolutely not a gear nerd and believe they are overpriced, but I could hear these differences
Great shootout. I couldn't hear a difference. I love your attitude. I too am frugal with my gear.
Love your style . I could not tell the difference on any take .
Performance is almost everything .
GOOD JOB .
Really interesting, i guessed the neumann correctly, it seemed to have some more depth and more 'tail' on the sound, but there were definately places where i preferred the MP.
That shows me again that you need to make a decision relative too the situation/source :)
I did not like the clone on its own but i was surprised how powerful and round the clone mix was sounding. Clone in the mix is my favorite!
Yes, absolutely. Mic #1, the Neumann, just seems to compress the individual tracks in quite a smooth, to my feel soft brush-stroke kind of way which appealingly takes an edge off, but then in the mix the cumulative effect is a slight loss of life.
Love the honesty,great guy hands down... great voice man!!
Feel good now. I bought a u87 clone from a guy in Brooklyn. I like it, but never had a comparison. Thanks
I knew right away that #1 is Neumann bc it has something like a compression on it, second mic has more dynamics and I wouldn't like that if I wanted a 87 clone, other than that #2 is veeeery slighlty darker and sounds almost exaclty the same if we forget the dynamics thing. Thank you for the comparison!
You are good and funny LOL.
This one of the best clone shootouts on RUclips, congrats!
And for that reason, I subscribed :).
One seems to represent more of the frequency spectrum. If that's the Nomann I'm buying one. I have David Royer's replica , Mojave MA- 300 love it. Good shoot out
I thought mic 2 will be neuman u87 because I felt it was a bit warmer and a bit less high endish. But wow both mics seems to sound vintage and great.
Great job with the video and playing! There are small but noticeable differences between the two mics. The MP mic had a touch more low-end (on guitar) and a very pleasant hi-mid bump. Thanks for sharing!
Excellent sound production. What is your vocal chain and which compressor, pluggins hsve you used.
I think the real story starts at 6:46. Raw tracks never get used in a mix. What do they sound like when you put them in a real life situation?
Personally, in the mix, with the effects, through headphones, if I’m not looking at the screen I can tell when the switch occurs. So that’s good enough for me.
Full disclosure. I’m the alter ego of blastedusernames and I did the video. And I’m not a pro so don’t have those discerning ears that can pick up such subtle differences.
#1's top end sounds more like a u87 but I'd be happy with either in most scenarios.
i just had a 990XF circuit mod and K 47 capsule installed in my 990 and OMG sooo good over stock 990
BOOM, mic 2 is warmer, more buttery and perfect for voice. I prefer the tone quality.
I'm sitting here with all new Creative speakers for my computer, and I'm not completely convinced by them yet, but to my ears, with these speakers, I feel that Mic 1 has sliiightly more presence than Mic 2. Mostly on guitar, actually. I thought it would be easy to hear with the shakers, but there they sound about the same. The difference on guitar is almost like a fresh set of strings has been put on between the mics, and for the vocals, "s" sounds slightly muted in Mic 2. I think both mics are pretty good, and I would have a hard time choosing if I didn't have to pay for them, but they're not quite a matched pair. If I were to guess, I would say Mic 2 is the Neumann with older components. Building the Nomann is a good investment, though, depending on how much the components cost.
Wow! I was totally wrong about which was which! :D
OMG! I liked them both but favored the NoMann. I'm sold. Thanks for the comparison.
Mic #2 had a little distortion on the high end.
Great review and great performance!!
When you built the mic did you go with the flat response or high end rolloff setup? I just bought the mic kit and was curious what the most similar way to go. Thanks for the video!
Man these seemed pretty close. Mic 1 had a certain mid and "quickness" to it that made it seem more in your face. Mic 2 seemed a little softer but I think also had a little more bass. I preferred Mic 1 but based off this I think I am gonna order me one of those clones. I heard their 251 clone too on another channel where it was shot out with a real Elam 251, a C24, and WarmAudio 251. For me it was the Elam and the Microphone Parts that were my favorite there. Thanks for the great shootout. Think I am gonna save some $$$ and make great recordings.
I was so bummed out because I did not see which microphone was 1 or 2. During my listening I was sure that mic 2 was the Neumann, and that made me sad because I liked that one the most, it sounded more mix ready and less rough in the high end for my ears. Scrolled through the description and found the answer, and got super happy that in fact my favorite was the one I can make and afford for my own studio. The microphone looked different than what's shown on MP-webpage though, its the S87 I guess? Did you upgrade any parts or choose something specific to get that high-end roll off? Great Video!
marvelous review. it just rocks. 👍👍👍
and about the mic... they sound pretty close to me, just noticed a really tiny difference and i guessed the 1rst one was the Neumann, but boy you have made a Nodoubtmann great replica.
Thanks so so so much for this review, it's as enlightenment as enjoyable. Thanks ! 🙏
I have listened to a lot of mic comparisons recently, and I feel like my ability to hear the differences has improved a lot. These two mics don't sound very much alike to me, and it was pretty easy to guess the Neumann was Mic #1. It has a much more hyped high end. I liked the NoMann a lot, I just don't think it sounds much like the Neumann. That is not an insult in any way. It's a good sounding mic in its own regard. If both mics were in my mic locker I would use the Neumann on acoustic guitar, but probably use the clone on most other sources.
Only heard the difference on the vocals and the shakers. The replica has a boost around the 300hz range, and somewhere over 15k. The low-end boost is probably caused by the MXL body and the top must be some difference in the electronics. No two microphones sound the same though. For the price, the replica sounds really close to the original U87. I used a mic that a guy built in town with a U47 capsule that retailed for a 1000$ and it blew my mind. Replicas are really good more affordable options.
seriously thought mic 2 would be the neumann..i pick that as the better mic...my slight tinnitus on the left ear certainly helped too
They both sounded good better then my scarlett
I hear a difference especially in the transients. As if the playings sounded tighter with the mic #1, and a bit sloppy with the mic #2.
The mic #2 seems to be close to the distortion, too.
You have very comprehensive in the comparison . Mic 2 was very clean but for singing I prefer mic 1 for it's high frequency response.
Thanks for this video! So good! And by the way: nice playing!!
Nomann sounds really good!
Thanks for the nice comparison. Listening to them by headset without watching the video It seemed to me as if someone closed or opened the curtain when changing between the mics. Later I saw it was mic1 with open, mic2 with closed "curtains" => mic 1 was more open and detailed.
Whoa, what. The Newmann is mic number 1?... are you sure? Are you fucking with us? haha
Nice mic. A little more presence but not quite as smooth as the Neumann. You could buy a very nice pre and a compressor with the money you'd save.
Did I just save over $3,000?! But gear aside, you play and sing well. Thank you!
Oh, just seen the classic is #1 but nomann sounded smoother to my ears. hmmm!
Mic #1 was clearly smoother whichever mic that was. They both sound good tho.
Oh man. I preferred mic 2. It was slightly brighter and picked up the room decay. Might have been slightly louder too though
One thing - that guitar sounds APSOLUTELY AMAZING. At first I was sure its Martin because I skipped the beginning of the video - and was wondering what strings you use to get such clean bass - then I saw its not Martin at all.. Its better !
I thought the first mic sounded better all the way through until you put everything in the mix and then I thought #2 😅
I think with a some mixing you can get a great finished product with mic #2 clone
Very interesting!! Great comparison. Before checking the true identities, I felt #2 just had something a little extra. More dimension/depth. More, air? Otoh, #1 had a more pleasing bass response, particularly noticeable on the kick drum. Been meaning to try a MP kit. Got 2 donors, this may have put me over the edge. Thanks!
Like your attitude ! No frills. I have a S-87 and I still get a kick out of those comparisons. I will get a 2nd one for stereo takes. This mic is wonderful. I have to say that #1 was smoother, and #2 a little harsher/agressive in raw takes but it got closer after treatment - of course. I use mine with a 737sp behind and ooooooh boy, it is nice, the difference between both is very sleek. The money I saved I was able to use for the 737sp which can be used as an insert, unlike the U87. Kidding, tho. I'd still love to add that legend of a mic to my collection. Thank you for this cool, very objective video.
To be honest, I did not understand which number is which microphone :D
On my Focal cms50s the U87 gives a bit smoother mids and is natural in the fundamental,
The MP sounds every bit as good if not preferable in the mix here, though - it (somehow) tracks the upper harmonic more smoothly and your voice benefited a lot from it in this tune & arrangement. For my taste the U87 sounded a bit too crispy and inconsistent from about 5kHz on up.
Mic #1 sounded smoother, warmer, less brittle. More bottom and high end. So guessed Neumann correctly. I felt #2 broke up on the loud parts, but perhaps due to coarseness. But was close.
Do you know what the exact model name for the fully assembled version of the mic you have?
Great shootout. Turns out I preferred the Neumann, as stacked up, the mix was smoother and less congested in the highs. The Neumann also has a little bit more depth and reach.
For 375, the Nomann is a very decent, very capable microphone.
the nomann was smoother and less congested. Mic #2 was better.
@@toothacheforever8437 That's actually and factually incorrect there's no way that a $375 mic can sound better than a 4K mic but for what it is it's an excellent mic for the money.
@@Tonyplat98 oh, there are 1000s of ways
and the evidence is peppered throughout the many productions done while under the influence of cocaine, alcohol, a messy divorce, the tail-end of a lousy contract, chasing mistaken notions of what will bring glory, etc
Wow! Amazingly close!
Mic #2 sounded a bit better to me. And I subscribed.
I also chose #2, but I was surprised at how similar they were. The differences are subtle.
@@timothykraft9245 Just a bit more volume & clarity.
Thank you, this was super helpful. I prefer the Clone.
The 1 is way more detailed and has more harmonic content, where the 2 is a bit compressed and lacking in the presence, a kind of fog on it. The 1 sounds always magical, expecially when the voice gets louder, there it is even better. The U87 i is an incredible mic! The Clone is super cool for the price but can not compare if you need that dream sound. Is just a tiny bit but makes a difference. I heard thru Beyerdynamic DT 880 and Amphion Two 18. Very, very good shootout! And sound. Yeahh!!!
Wow. I heard the lower bass come out in #2 and I can see why those freqs were designed out of the Neumann. But all in all the mics had veeery similar color. Either way you stack it that clone's worth is waaay beyond its cost. Thanks this was good.
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These are really close! Mic 2 is slightly more sparkly which gave it away. Mic 2 handled louder volumes slightly better too. Still great job :-)
It was close (identical?) but were to choose, and I am, the Nomann has a slight edge.
Don't know which one is which yet, I'm going to check in a minute but I preferred Mic 2 because it sounded slightly more full and sensitive to the sound. But if it turns out that mic 1 is 4 times cheaper than mic 2 I wouldn't hesitate to buy mic 1.
I *was* sure the Neuman was mic 2 for the reasons you mentioned. Well done mic parts!
mic #2 sound smoother to my ear
The shaker face was everything
Honestly, I could barely perceive a difference. Mic 2 may have been a tad less bright, but overall both would be indistinguishable in a session.
I’m only listening on beats earbuds, but…the difference between the two sounds negligible to me. There is a slight difference, but not enough to matter I don’t think. I could make a mix work with either mic based on this. Thanks for going to the trouble, man!
Which capsule did you use for the nomann?
i suppose by listening very closely I might (maybe?) find some subtle differences, but all that really matters is they both sound great
great video! thanks..really helpful how you did the comparisons..
I swear, I hear more detail in mic 2 even in the full mix, guess I'm saving up for one of these.
I love naumann U 87. It is my dream CM.
GREAT comparison.. perfect.. I did guess the mics.. very obvious on drums. Neuman is a lot firmer in the midrange and especially in the low end. But quite OK sound from the NoMann... although not the best for drums. In the complete mix though the results are pretty similar. And the Neumann is in no way worth the cost here. Just put a better BD and snare mic on there, and use the NuMann for the rest
Quisiera saber que combinación de valvulas usas en el preamp 619 uad ????? Que Numeración
Хорошее сравнение, спасибо бро
This is Produce Like a Pro in drugs awesome! love it! =)
they're very close. #1 has just a touch more presence and #2 seems to have a little bit more proximity effect. Based on that, I guessed #1 as the neumann. just out of curiosity, do you remember which capacitor value you used for the roll off cap? i have the s3-87 and itd be useful to have this comparison as a reference for cap value
Nice sound with inexpensive equipment, except the U87. At first, I couldn't tell them apart, until he started singing higher notes. Then, I noticed the S3-87 was slightly darker. Less noticeable in the mix. Good for the money, tho. I've never had the opportunity to compare my MJE "Fatboy" to a U87; but it might be in the same league.
Thx for sharing. I've been wanting to make one of those.
I'd like to hear the U47 colone.
Also which kit was it exactly, because they have 2 deferent one's.
Thx again
All I can hear is DIY has more low-end but I can't decide which one sounds better... I would say it doesn't matter. For the money DIY is a clear choice.
My thoughts exactly. They are slightly different from one another, but it’s subtle. And that difference really isn’t enough to matter. Truth is, when you actually mix it with either mic, you’re gonna make some moves to shape the mix in the direction you want it to go. Those moves might be slightly different depending on the mic, but ultimately you could make a killer mix with either one from what I can tell.
are you selling the models you made?
Mic 1 clearly had more top end presence, was generally more detailed up there. The mids and lows were pretty damn close, would have loved to hear bass cab or something. Not really surprised that the Nuemann was mic 1.
That being said, I preferred the final mix from mic 2; it was more flattering on the snare drum in particular. I think had you had a great session player on a killer kit the opposite would likely be true. Just goes to show that a good producer/engineer can really make or break a recording with subtle differences like this.
Would like to have heard a 3rd, cheaper condenser in there too. Great vid though.
Very nicely done!