Quick Comment Re: power system. Fuses, breakers and switches!! Do not buy cheap fuses, buy Blue Sea or Vector Marine fuses, switches and breakers (I don't own stock and have no interest in Blue Sea or Vector). There are some 'off brand' fuses out there that will flow twice their rating without blowing and others will blow if you look at them funny - either way, not worth it. The cheap ones are half the cost and ten times the danger (or inconvenience of you're lucky). Never buy cheap fuses, breakers or switches, ever.
Having just started my sprinter overland build, it can be overwhelming. I’m a retired building contractor and decided to go all out with 8020, full off grid electrical capabilities, all the exterior goodies. Doing everything myself. Biggest benefit of diy is knowing exactly how everything is built, and saving a ton of $$$.
I have been building out my 22 Sprinter 170 for about a year. Complete blast as I really enjoy the research component and good mechanical skills. Agree with going slow, figuring out how you are going to use the van, what you actually need versus that looks cool syndrome. I start phase 2 this winter after reviewing what worked well last year. Buy quality once. Appreciate the video, thoughtful and honest. Rare for the tube these days.
Thank you so,much for being direct! I have worked on my Sprinter 144 Crew model van for a year, had professionals do an ,Arctic Tern awning window.,an Arctic Tern opening skylight, and cut in for shore power. Nine months later, after,doing basic prep myself, I had the same Western Washington company do a,simply electrical system. I purchased a Bestek 2000W inverter and a few other components and had the professionals do the install. Most of my camping so far has been with hookups, and with used,cabinets holding an Isotherm frig and a great narrow deep sink, camping has been great. The configuration changes, and Will be modular, easy to remove. The van must be versatile! I very much enjoy your suggestions, as these vans can get expensive! I am trying to buy only what I need, and have spent a,lot just,on connectors: rivnuts, bolts, washers, L TRACK and accessories for L track, magnetic puck lights, more,nuts, screws, bolts. Crazy. I am having fun
This is a great video, thank you for being so open about this information because it never was on the market when I built my 1st 170 4X4 in 2019 (it was a 2017). Even though I know 3 professional builders I'm sure most of you have heard of located here in the PNW (won't name names) they would only release did bits of insider help for DIY back then and during 91-Divoc because this was their cash cow. Now that they're more established and rooted I'm sure they've opened up a bit more, but they aren't doing videos like this. In November I was in a wreck with ours and it was deemed to be a total loss. I'm going to be starting a new build soon and have 90% of the parts from my last build yet I am still taking notes as you can never learn enough of this stuff. Thank you for being so upfront and personable. Cheers!
Overinflated is an understatement!!! Anything for a Sprinter van, or things in the "overlanding industrial complex" in general have ridiculous markups. As an aircraft/automotive mechanic, I'm glad I can fabricate and install almost everything I see and need for my Sprinter. I really feel bad for older guys and mechanically inept that pay hefty prices for their gear.
You make some good points. I would say that some of the companies in question with high prices go out of their way to make sure their products are manufactured in America and with most of these companies being in California, the consumer is paying the California tax without living here.
That will be us when we get going. We can't do anything like this ourselves. But we don't have the money for outfitters. Thinking lightweight plastic furniture from target maybe…
Truth on so many levels. I built high-end custom homes in Silicon Valley for years, crafting stunning multi-million-dollar properties. I’ve seen my share of contractors who put the ‘CON’ in ‘contractor,’ and it’s wild how RUclips lets anyone with an iPhone or GoPro post their nonsense. Respect for cutting through the noise and sharing a valid, smart approach to getting, building, and enjoying your van. The lack of maturity-both in business sense and skills-among many RUclips van builders (home builders/remodeled too) is downright cringe-worthy. Thanks for keeping it honest and real. Kudos for the focus on safety too!!
Couldn't agree more on the slow build. We did ours about 70% done for the first year, did a bunch of trips, didnt finish the cabinet skins/drawers/etc. Realized things we want to change the layout, pulled out the FVCO bed and sold it, putting in a murphy with VS capsules and upgraded our power system capacity.
Good stuff in here! We're fixing power systems and wiring harnesses all the time which led to our crazy new mil-spec wiring harness we put into new builds
You are so right👍 I build my sprinter last summer and I did exactly that! And I love it. I build all electric with victron system and for me this is only way to go 👍
Yeah, im still rolling on the stock tires, i chose to build my interior 1st, slowly, spent the 1st month sleeping on a cot in there, building a van really isnt difficult, with so many options to buy pre cut flooring, wall panels, cabinets etc.. its just assembling all the components
There are several differences in quality when buying kits. Just beware of the kit and type of wood. If it doesn't have a marine grade core you could be in for some issues in the future. Details matter and some just don';t understand the difference. We hope to provide that information to folks wether buy from us or someone else. Thanks for the input!
@Serg_supply its all marine grade birch ply floor, walls, ceiling , fvc galley, and bed system, i didn't want a wood bed platform for the bed and I like the aluminum skin fvc uses on their galley, im still lacking main cabinets, but I purchased an open face shelf cabinet from veritas that works great for above the bed, i dont want cabinets everywhere, what I really need is wheel well boxes built to fit my needs and fit under the fvc bed.. all the boxes im finding are made for, or you can only buy them with a specific bed system
If you're going to be traveling for weeks or months at a time a shower is a good option to consider. There have been many times we've been hiking in less than desirable weather and having the ability to come back to a warm dry van and get cleaned up is invaluable. We stay away from big cities so 24 hr. fitness places are not an option for us. We have a stowaway shower system so it doesn't take up any room when not in use.
I am a full time carpenter and builder and have had a high roof extended with only a floor, max air , ecoflow deta pro , fridge and some pack out cabinets ratchet strapped to the side since I got it / Anytime i get a break from my paying projects I say screw it and hightail it out of town as fast as I can . I’m really hoping I install the framing and insulation this weekend though as it’s been brutal ! Great video Sir, earned my subscription Where are you all building out of?
Hej Serg, Top and true info Aboutaleb vapour barrières and sound deadening, things are more or less the same Here in Western Europe. Actually the entire video is eye opening, thanks! Best regards, Albert 🇳🇱 🇺🇸
Wiring: braided & tin very good idea never heard any other builders mention it. Insulation is my biggest pet peeve wool or spray foam both bad ideas. Thick foam for cheap people, but best is rubber!!! Power systems have been crazy in van builders it’s much simpler just to buy a portable power system with a secondary power storage supply than messing around with all the different traditional electrical systems.
It appears we have a very similar philosophy! Never tried a rubber insulation and would probably stay away from it strictly because of the weight, but we definitely don't know everything and you may have some good info on that.
Yeah the electrical systems are crazy, we're thinking a couple solar panels and an all in one power station with an extra to hold more power. And then just run everything off it. Keep it simple.
This video is so full of great nuggets. I wish I'd watched this when I first started building out my van in June. There is something to be said about going slow. I did not, and there are a lot of things that I'm now re-doing. I am taking it slower this go round though, which has made the whole process more enjoyable. Thanks for all the great content! I watched a few of your videos early on in my build process and they were all super helpful! I also wound up buying your sink which is pretty sweet
Dude! My new(2017) Promaster window van has been in storage for 2 months waiting for this video. Enough of the DIY amateur hour videos. Thank you for the straight forward T.E.D. talk. Looking forward to building a stealth window van camper. Thanks again for your honest talk!!!
100% correct. That’s why I bought a 2023 Coachman Nova 20C Li3 leftover. I couldn’t get anything custom built like it for the few $$ I paid for a new van. 630ah lithium from Lithionics is a plus. Advance, Coach House, Titan, and the rest are too expensive for what you pay for. I doubt I would go for a custom in the future, and I have the budget.
I'm about halfway thru my first adventure van build, 2024 Transit 350HD 148" high roof. I just retired and I'm having a blast using my engineering and fabrication skills. I've been immersing myself in van content on RUclips for the last 3 months. I bellied up to the bar and installed a full Victron system from Nate, along with Battle Born batteries. While the cost was a tough pill to swallow, I'm considering it the backbone of my build. My design is a modular build that will allow certain things to be removed if I need the van for other stuff. Also using a lot of 80/20, no structural wood, as I've got experience using it to build stuff on factory assembly lines. I really like what you offer, design & materials appear top notch. Unfortunately, most is out of my price range by a factor of 2 or 3. 🙁
@@Serg_supply Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying your products aren't worth what you're asking. I realize what it takes to design and tool up for stuff like this, especially in relative low volumes. If money was less of an obstacle for me, I totally see the value in getting high-quality, well-designed products that basically just plug-n-play into my van. I'm the king of over-engineering and tedious fabrication...but just don't ask me to build a second or third. 🤣
Great video! I’m looking at going from a Scamp camper to a Sprinter van. Love the size and layout of the Scamp but I want something that I don’t have to go through the process of hooking up and unhooking. In also not great art backing it in. Our Scamp has a shower but we’ve never used it - just wasted space. I like the idea of the dinette that folds down into a bed - best use of space IMO. I really appreciate you’re putting this video out, very helpful and informative.
Prices have gone bonkers the past years. It is a bubble that recently popped. Prices from the high volume manufactures are dropping fast. There may be some big RV manufactures that go out of business this go round.
This was really informative. I'm not well enough to build my van out so I had to pay someone to do it for me (far under that unattainable $150k price tag). I wish I'd known to ask about the electrical but I did pretty well on everything else you said.
Smash that gold button!!! Yes sir! There is gold flakes flyin' y'all!! I rarely give kudos in comments. It is refreshing to know that straight common sense can still be served. Thank you for the heaping helping.... If you are ever in the upstate NY area, give me a shout, I'll buy you a cold one🍺 -Al
Great advice all around. Especially staging. The industry and DIY segment would greatly benefit from the custom aircraft interior industry. Solid, safe, high quality and proven techniques. In my opinion, these van and RV builds are far too heavy, unsafe, to many bells and whistles and the electrical systems are a huge hazard. Once again, great advice sir, thank you for your public service.
Hi Dimitri, I totally get what you're saying here on this video. I'm taking my sweet old time building my van. This is my first van build with the help of my daughter. Originally I wanted to get the Tesla Cybertruck, because like you say, to me it's cool looking, but got frustrated with the wait. Then when the Ford Transit Trail came out, I decided to use my funds on the Trail instead. But then the whole drama of the recalls and the wait became frustrating as well. I had ordered in Feb 2024 and still did not have a build date as of Aug 2024. A friend of mine from Utah suggested I cancel my order and order in Kansas City dealer where the transit factory is nearby. I called on a Monday and ordered exactly what I wanted and by Wednesday I got a build date from the Ford Factory. The order was placed on Aug 12 and my van was built by Sept 24. Made arrangements and rearranged my schedule and by Oct 9th, I flew in with a friend and picked it up and drove it across Kansas, Colorado, Utah, Nevada and back to California. It was an adventure and loved it. Also, picked up some parts along the way to save on shipping cost. I have gone camping 3 times already and yes when you're actually out, you start to notice things that you need or don't need on a full build van. But I love your products and so I picked up your ceiling kit and capsule trim rings from The Van Mart yesterday and met the crew over there. Also saw your transit van build that you did in less than a week. That was awesome! Met Chris, Christine, and Brent. Also, damn your pallet building is legit! hahaha. I am documenting everything with my daughter and will hopefully start posting our experience on our first van build. Thx and I really enjoy your videos, comments and jokes.
Excellent "TED" talk! Would only disagree on not washing! Some of us like a shower :) However, that only reflects a difference between the US and EU on the availability of 24hr gyms.... As to the philosophy shared and leasons learnt - invaluable and encouraging; wish had heard this at the start of my journey. Nonetheless, even at this stage, wise words can learn from.Thank you.
Thank you for this video. Wish more van builders would put out honest, straight forward advice or information for those interested in this trend. We need more videos like this and less of the van porn dominating the industry.
Agreed. One thing on the wiring though as it's a safety issue. Stranded wire in these applications will not handle more current so people should be sticking to what NEC says for current ratings. Don't burn down the van because you want to save 50 bucks on wiring. Save the 50 on lumber or elsewhere.
Ditto on buying quality stuff. Can’t overemphasize having a solid electrical system. Just finished 2022 Transit for skiing chasing powder. Have to have solid system to keep heater on and keep water system from freezing. Don’t want to ruin 2 week trip with mechanical problems. Since I am solo during wintertime use a shower is a big plus. Not all ski areas have truck stops nearby out west and a lot of other options are closed in winter. Learn to take short rinse off, I don’t call it really call it a shower. Tradeoff is independence for less storage. If it was summer only I would just have hookup for outside rinse off shower, which i have also. So Victron, Blue Sea, Battle Born, Espar, Isotemp webasto for water heater, Flatline van roof rack, all really good products. I would double down on Victron, great products and really same or cheaper than other products of smilar quality at same price point.
On electrical system. Victron mppt's are so much cheaper than they use to. It's pointless to buy anything else. But batteries, i bought no name LFP batteries batteries but i did my research and they have Eve cells in them with a Bluetooth JBD BMS. $210 each last year. Now they're $170. Bluetooth everything. No need for monitors, shutoffs etc. it's all in the app. I also found 100w panels that put out more than 100w for $70 each. Read the reviews. Ignorance buys what everyone is buying. Research and save.
What are your thoughts on all of the seating options out there, and the general lack of testing or specific safety standards? Planning my build and a seat for my daughter and it seems like the smartfloor is my only legit option.
Agreed! On the contrary, some of these companies are California based and the cost to produce a single item is much more expensive which unfortunately gets passed on to the consumer.
@ majority of vanlife world is artisanal. Its like we forgot the Industrial Revolution and assembly line economics. A couple vendors have figured it out and are now manufacturing in mexico and cheaper locations to make a top quality product at a reasonable price.
In 4 years, people can learn a lot, as in getting a college degree. Some,people,just want to go teaveling, so keep it safe but basic. Some,folks want swanky, expensive to impress their friends; and then there are woodworkers who spend every waking moment tweeking amazing cabinets. Vans are a depreciating asset, and it is easy to forget why we bought one in the first place: to go outside and enjoy gorgeous locations in a small footprint. My late husband and I camped in a VW 2001 Eurovan basic MV, no pop top, for 12 years. Remember the basics and have fun.
I must apologize, as I had misspoke. Typically (and I may have my figures off) we see a state requirement of a $25k bond + 8,000 hours of work experience to become a general electrician in our state, but the systems and guidance we lean on are designed by certified electrical engineers with 15 years of experience directly in the automotive industry. A general electrician's experience is typically commercial or residential and while it would help, isn't always applicable to the automotive space.
Even if you DIY its still a lot time and money invested, so what I see as the biggest issues is paying $80k for a new van or rolling the dice on a $30k used van shell knowing either might require engine and transmission rebuilds later that can cost $15k and never seem to last very long. That said the ROI on a van and conversion you plan to actually live or travel in is so good that it's still worth it. I see people paying top dollar for professionally converted Promasters with 100k+ miles and think that is risky. I think 5 years from now we will have new $30k EV stock cargo vans with 400 mile range and 10y powertrain warranties in the US that won't require house batteries, solar, inverters or much wiring work.
Fully disagree on the shower. I guess if you are only camping for 2 days, but then again, are you going to spend 100k and be limited? I have a truck camper. Use it for hunting, out of town golf tourneys, music touring gigs, camping for a week, etc. Having to drive around and look for a truck stop or gym (if near a city with one) is a pain. So nice to wake up, make coffee, hop in the shower, make breakfast and be on your way. 3 things after years of every kind of rv: --Dont have to make up a bed or convert a bed, ---on board power, preferably solar with generator backup (what I have), ---on board shower and toilet. These 3 things mean you are fully independent. Can go anywhere and do anything. I went truck camper as I have more room and freedom, at a fraction of a van build out. I do have a 4x4 sprinter 3500xd 170 extended, but I keep it pretty open so it can be whatever. Have solar with 4100wh, cook top, micro, coffeemaker, grill. I just throw my backpacking stiff in there and works great for day or 2 trips. Anything other than that, truck camper is far superior.
The immense skills and time it takes to build a van is why they are high priced. I have a 2019 Sprinter. If that’s not for you, buy a used rv and pack up!
You started in 2021 and in 4 years you’re an expert? I never liked talking head videos with self proclaimed experts talking up their version of the right way to do it. I see that you got some friends to post reviews below.
We appreciate your kind words and understand your frustration. Thank for making what we do worth while and supporting us through comments! Much appreciated.
@@Serg_supplydelete my negative comment. Take it for what it’s worth. I don’t normally flame anyone. I’ve been building vans since 1975 and I don’t know it all. I’m a vo-tech trained cabinet maker and had a full career as a mechanical design engineer. Still don’t know know it all.
Think usefulness and being versatile. An army cot & sleeping bag, an ice chest, a comfortable folding chair. A Sturdy enclosed box for canned goods. Straps to secure all of the above. Sound deaden the interior surfaces, perhaps some sort of durable, easily removable and washable carpeting. Now you have plenty of remaining space for a few bicycles, tools and a dog carrier. 🚴🏼🚴🏼🚴🏼🫡
ruclips.net/video/3GaLEJst9jI/видео.html 19:40 in, I'd love to know some of your builders you recommend! Either DM or replying to this comment would be great, as I am sure I am not the only one. You said it best, finding a good builder is harder than the build process itself and it shouldn't be, I wish the good builders were known more openly. Thanks!
Biggest problem is living in the city and figuring out where to legally park the van while working on it, and keeping it from being stolen. Which is why we have not actually bought one yet.
Finding safe, legal parking for a van in the city can be tough. Working with a builder can be a great option since they can keep the van secure in their shop during installs. Good luck with your search!
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Quick Comment Re: power system. Fuses, breakers and switches!! Do not buy cheap fuses, buy Blue Sea or Vector Marine fuses, switches and breakers (I don't own stock and have no interest in Blue Sea or Vector). There are some 'off brand' fuses out there that will flow twice their rating without blowing and others will blow if you look at them funny - either way, not worth it. The cheap ones are half the cost and ten times the danger (or inconvenience of you're lucky). Never buy cheap fuses, breakers or switches, ever.
This is an excellent point. Pinning this!
Having just started my sprinter overland build, it can be overwhelming. I’m a retired building contractor and decided to go all out with 8020, full off grid electrical capabilities, all the exterior goodies. Doing everything myself. Biggest benefit of diy is knowing exactly how everything is built, and saving a ton of $$$.
We agree with this entirely!
Great then I can buy your van for pennies on the dollar. It's Uber hard to sell diy vans😢
you'd get a real kick out of my elevator bed design ;)
8020 is relatively heavy and more expensive then stock aluminum square tube. If you’re able to weld I’d recommend doing so where you can!
I just finished my conversion and I cant imagine spending the amount of money on a van that others do.
Not everyone needs to spend that much, some people just have it to burn it seems.
I have been building out my 22 Sprinter 170 for about a year. Complete blast as I really enjoy the research component and good mechanical skills. Agree with going slow, figuring out how you are going to use the van, what you actually need versus that looks cool syndrome. I start phase 2 this winter after reviewing what worked well last year. Buy quality once. Appreciate the video, thoughtful and honest. Rare for the tube these days.
We appreciate the kind words and good luck on phase 2!
Thank you so,much for being direct! I have worked on my Sprinter 144 Crew model van for a year, had professionals do an ,Arctic Tern awning window.,an Arctic Tern opening skylight, and cut in for shore power. Nine months later, after,doing basic prep myself, I had the same Western Washington company do a,simply electrical system. I purchased a Bestek 2000W inverter and a few other components and had the professionals do the install. Most of my camping so far has been with hookups, and with used,cabinets holding an Isotherm frig and a great narrow deep sink, camping has been great. The configuration changes, and Will be modular, easy to remove. The van must be versatile! I very much enjoy your suggestions, as these vans can get expensive! I am trying to buy only what I need, and have spent a,lot just,on connectors: rivnuts, bolts, washers, L TRACK and accessories for L track, magnetic puck lights, more,nuts, screws, bolts. Crazy. I am having fun
Glad you found it helpful!
This is a great video, thank you for being so open about this information because it never was on the market when I built my 1st 170 4X4 in 2019 (it was a 2017). Even though I know 3 professional builders I'm sure most of you have heard of located here in the PNW (won't name names) they would only release did bits of insider help for DIY back then and during 91-Divoc because this was their cash cow. Now that they're more established and rooted I'm sure they've opened up a bit more, but they aren't doing videos like this. In November I was in a wreck with ours and it was deemed to be a total loss. I'm going to be starting a new build soon and have 90% of the parts from my last build yet I am still taking notes as you can never learn enough of this stuff. Thank you for being so upfront and personable. Cheers!
Glad to help!
Overinflated is an understatement!!! Anything for a Sprinter van, or things in the "overlanding industrial complex" in general have ridiculous markups. As an aircraft/automotive mechanic, I'm glad I can fabricate and install almost everything I see and need for my Sprinter. I really feel bad for older guys and mechanically inept that pay hefty prices for their gear.
You make some good points. I would say that some of the companies in question with high prices go out of their way to make sure their products are manufactured in America and with most of these companies being in California, the consumer is paying the California tax without living here.
That will be us when we get going. We can't do anything like this ourselves. But we don't have the money for outfitters. Thinking lightweight plastic furniture from target maybe…
Love this video!
Saved it so when I start my build I will follow ur recommendations.
Thank you!
As a customer looking for a finished van, it would be awesome to see a list of builders offering "under-priced and high-quality" 🙂
Suggestion noted! Thanks for the comment.
Don’t know if you realise but your question is pretty ego-centric. Better pay honest work and quality for what it’s worth
Truth on so many levels. I built high-end custom homes in Silicon Valley for years, crafting stunning multi-million-dollar properties. I’ve seen my share of contractors who put the ‘CON’ in ‘contractor,’ and it’s wild how RUclips lets anyone with an iPhone or GoPro post their nonsense. Respect for cutting through the noise and sharing a valid, smart approach to getting, building, and enjoying your van. The lack of maturity-both in business sense and skills-among many RUclips van builders (home builders/remodeled too) is downright cringe-worthy. Thanks for keeping it honest and real. Kudos for the focus on safety too!!
We know what you mean all to well! Thanks for the comment and support!
Couldn't agree more on the slow build. We did ours about 70% done for the first year, did a bunch of trips, didnt finish the cabinet skins/drawers/etc. Realized things we want to change the layout, pulled out the FVCO bed and sold it, putting in a murphy with VS capsules and upgraded our power system capacity.
This is exactly what we mean when we say take it slow!
Good stuff in here! We're fixing power systems and wiring harnesses all the time which led to our crazy new mil-spec wiring harness we put into new builds
Nice! Glad there's companies and people looking to make a difference not just a profit.
You are so right👍 I build my sprinter last summer and I did exactly that! And I love it. I build all electric with victron system and for me this is only way to go 👍
Sounds like you did a great job, I'm happy to hear you're enjoying it!
Yeah, im still rolling on the stock tires, i chose to build my interior 1st, slowly, spent the 1st month sleeping on a cot in there, building a van really isnt difficult, with so many options to buy pre cut flooring, wall panels, cabinets etc.. its just assembling all the components
There are several differences in quality when buying kits. Just beware of the kit and type of wood. If it doesn't have a marine grade core you could be in for some issues in the future. Details matter and some just don';t understand the difference. We hope to provide that information to folks wether buy from us or someone else. Thanks for the input!
@Serg_supply its all marine grade birch ply floor, walls, ceiling , fvc galley, and bed system, i didn't want a wood bed platform for the bed and I like the aluminum skin fvc uses on their galley, im still lacking main cabinets, but I purchased an open face shelf cabinet from veritas that works great for above the bed, i dont want cabinets everywhere, what I really need is wheel well boxes built to fit my needs and fit under the fvc bed.. all the boxes im finding are made for, or you can only buy them with a specific bed system
If you're going to be traveling for weeks or months at a time a shower is a good option to consider. There have been many times we've been hiking in less than desirable weather and having the ability to come back to a warm dry van and get cleaned up is invaluable. We stay away from big cities so 24 hr. fitness places are not an option for us. We have a stowaway shower system so it doesn't take up any room when not in use.
Thanks for the comment!
Do you have a hole in the floor of the van to catch the gray water?
I am a full time carpenter and builder and have had a high roof extended with only a floor, max air , ecoflow deta pro , fridge and some pack out cabinets ratchet strapped to the side since I got it /
Anytime i get a break from my paying projects I say screw it and hightail it out of town as fast as I can . I’m really hoping I install the framing and insulation this weekend though as it’s been brutal ! Great video Sir, earned my subscription
Where are you all building out of?
It sounds like you have all of the basics for a great set up! Our shop is in Rocklin, California.
Hej Serg, Top and true info Aboutaleb vapour barrières and sound deadening, things are more or less the same Here in Western Europe. Actually the entire video is eye opening, thanks! Best regards, Albert 🇳🇱 🇺🇸
Glad you found the video helpful!
Wiring: braided & tin very good idea never heard any other builders mention it.
Insulation is my biggest pet peeve wool or spray foam both bad ideas. Thick foam for cheap people, but best is rubber!!!
Power systems have been crazy in van builders it’s much simpler just to buy a portable power system with a secondary power storage supply than messing around with all the different traditional electrical systems.
It appears we have a very similar philosophy! Never tried a rubber insulation and would probably stay away from it strictly because of the weight, but we definitely don't know everything and you may have some good info on that.
I used Dynaliner (2") on my 2017 and it worked great!
Yeah the electrical systems are crazy, we're thinking a couple solar panels and an all in one power station with an extra to hold more power. And then just run everything off it. Keep it simple.
This video is so full of great nuggets. I wish I'd watched this when I first started building out my van in June. There is something to be said about going slow. I did not, and there are a lot of things that I'm now re-doing. I am taking it slower this go round though, which has made the whole process more enjoyable. Thanks for all the great content! I watched a few of your videos early on in my build process and they were all super helpful! I also wound up buying your sink which is pretty sweet
Thank you for your kind words and support, I appreciate it! I hope the sink lives up to the hype and wish you the best on your next big adventure 🔥
Dude! My new(2017) Promaster window van has been in storage for 2 months waiting for this video. Enough of the DIY amateur hour videos. Thank you for the straight forward T.E.D. talk. Looking forward to building a stealth window van camper. Thanks again for your honest talk!!!
We are glad you found it helpful! Sounds like you have a great project coming up.
100% correct.
That’s why I bought a 2023 Coachman Nova 20C Li3 leftover.
I couldn’t get anything custom built like it for the few $$ I paid for a new van.
630ah lithium from Lithionics is a plus.
Advance, Coach House, Titan, and the rest are too expensive for what you pay for.
I doubt I would go for a custom in the future, and I have the budget.
Nice!
That's the type of thinking that will get you on the road!
I'm about halfway thru my first adventure van build, 2024 Transit 350HD 148" high roof. I just retired and I'm having a blast using my engineering and fabrication skills. I've been immersing myself in van content on RUclips for the last 3 months. I bellied up to the bar and installed a full Victron system from Nate, along with Battle Born batteries. While the cost was a tough pill to swallow, I'm considering it the backbone of my build. My design is a modular build that will allow certain things to be removed if I need the van for other stuff. Also using a lot of 80/20, no structural wood, as I've got experience using it to build stuff on factory assembly lines.
I really like what you offer, design & materials appear top notch. Unfortunately, most is out of my price range by a factor of 2 or 3. 🙁
Sounds like you have a solid plan and we appreciate the comment!
@@Serg_supply Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying your products aren't worth what you're asking. I realize what it takes to design and tool up for stuff like this, especially in relative low volumes. If money was less of an obstacle for me, I totally see the value in getting high-quality, well-designed products that basically just plug-n-play into my van. I'm the king of over-engineering and tedious fabrication...but just don't ask me to build a second or third. 🤣
So much truth in this. I fully support and endorse this message!!!
Thank you, Zeke!
Great video! I’m looking at going from a Scamp camper to a Sprinter van. Love the size and layout of the Scamp but I want something that I don’t have to go through the process of hooking up and unhooking. In also not great art backing it in. Our Scamp has a shower but we’ve never used it - just wasted space. I like the idea of the dinette that folds down into a bed - best use of space IMO. I really appreciate you’re putting this video out, very helpful and informative.
Glad it was helpful! Let us know if you have any questions in the future!
Prices have gone bonkers the past years. It is a bubble that recently popped. Prices from the high volume manufactures are dropping fast. There may be some big RV manufactures that go out of business this go round.
We have a very similar thought process!
One of the most honest van conversion companies in the industry. Thank you for always keeping 💯!
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This was really informative. I'm not well enough to build my van out so I had to pay someone to do it for me (far under that unattainable $150k price tag). I wish I'd known to ask about the electrical but I did pretty well on everything else you said.
Glad to hear it!
I appreciate the straightforward approach/talk.
I love the sink on your website too -never seen one quite like it...any discount codes though? 😊👀
Send us an email and we may be able to work something out!
I have an owl bumper that rusted in less than a year 😂 duct tape sensor job too. Just cuz they’ve been around doesn’t mean they’re good.
That's a first we've heard of that.
What’s an Owl bumper?
Smash that gold button!!!
Yes sir! There is gold flakes flyin' y'all!!
I rarely give kudos in comments. It is refreshing to know that straight common sense can still be served. Thank you for the heaping helping....
If you are ever in the upstate NY area, give me a shout, I'll buy you a cold one🍺
-Al
I'll take you up on that so you better be careful!
Great advice all around. Especially staging. The industry and DIY segment would greatly benefit from the custom aircraft interior industry. Solid, safe, high quality and proven techniques. In my opinion, these van and RV builds are far too heavy, unsafe, to many bells and whistles and the electrical systems are a huge hazard. Once again, great advice sir, thank you for your public service.
Thanks, I agree that safety should be a priority!
Hi Dimitri, I totally get what you're saying here on this video. I'm taking my sweet old time building my van. This is my first van build with the help of my daughter. Originally I wanted to get the Tesla Cybertruck, because like you say, to me it's cool looking, but got frustrated with the wait. Then when the Ford Transit Trail came out, I decided to use my funds on the Trail instead. But then the whole drama of the recalls and the wait became frustrating as well. I had ordered in Feb 2024 and still did not have a build date as of Aug 2024. A friend of mine from Utah suggested I cancel my order and order in Kansas City dealer where the transit factory is nearby. I called on a Monday and ordered exactly what I wanted and by Wednesday I got a build date from the Ford Factory. The order was placed on Aug 12 and my van was built by Sept 24. Made arrangements and rearranged my schedule and by Oct 9th, I flew in with a friend and picked it up and drove it across Kansas, Colorado, Utah, Nevada and back to California. It was an adventure and loved it. Also, picked up some parts along the way to save on shipping cost. I have gone camping 3 times already and yes when you're actually out, you start to notice things that you need or don't need on a full build van. But I love your products and so I picked up your ceiling kit and capsule trim rings from The Van Mart yesterday and met the crew over there. Also saw your transit van build that you did in less than a week. That was awesome! Met Chris, Christine, and Brent. Also, damn your pallet building is legit! hahaha. I am documenting everything with my daughter and will hopefully start posting our experience on our first van build. Thx and I really enjoy your videos, comments and jokes.
Sounds like the adventure has already started! Congrats on the van and thank you for your support!
Really helpful and balanced, thanks!
Anytime!
Excellent "TED" talk!
Would only disagree on not washing! Some of us like a shower :) However, that only reflects a difference between the US and EU on the availability of 24hr gyms....
As to the philosophy shared and leasons learnt - invaluable and encouraging; wish had heard this at the start of my journey. Nonetheless, even at this stage, wise words can learn from.Thank you.
Thank you for the comment and we appreciate your support!
Yep!! loved all this sage like info... Thanks for your help and advice over the last several months bro... 🚐😎🤙
Anytime!
Thanks for making this and sharing it!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for this video. Wish more van builders would put out honest, straight forward advice or information for those interested in this trend. We need more videos like this and less of the van porn dominating the industry.
That's exactly the direction we're headed! Thanks for the support.
Agreed. One thing on the wiring though as it's a safety issue. Stranded wire in these applications will not handle more current so people should be sticking to what NEC says for current ratings. Don't burn down the van because you want to save 50 bucks on wiring. Save the 50 on lumber or elsewhere.
That's great input - I agree with you. Better not to go cheap on safety!
Ditto on buying quality stuff. Can’t overemphasize having a solid electrical system. Just finished 2022 Transit for skiing chasing powder. Have to have solid system to keep heater on and keep water system from freezing. Don’t want to ruin 2 week trip with mechanical problems. Since I am solo during wintertime use a shower is a big plus. Not all ski areas have truck stops nearby out west and a lot of other options are closed in winter. Learn to take short rinse off, I don’t call it really call it a shower. Tradeoff is independence for less storage. If it was summer only I would just have hookup for outside rinse off shower, which i have also. So Victron, Blue Sea, Battle Born, Espar, Isotemp webasto for water heater, Flatline van roof rack, all really good products. I would double down on Victron, great products and really same or cheaper than other products of smilar quality at same price point.
Thanks for the great advice and insights!
Van, air mattress , good sleeping bag, simple cook set up, no leaks and………beers !
Sounds great! You know how to keep it simple!
I’ve never hurt my head on a vander moon overhead cabinet. Also no noise.
Neither have we!
Thank God for the x2 on RUclips
I tend to rant 😂
I've been building my old van for over a year
TRUTH!!!! Thank you!!!!!
Anytime!
Wire loom is very important
Covid made prices go through the roof. I’ve noticed they’re starting to go down, they could definitely go down further
Good point! We recently lowered the pricing of multiple products on our website.
On electrical system. Victron mppt's are so much cheaper than they use to. It's pointless to buy anything else. But batteries, i bought no name LFP batteries batteries but i did my research and they have Eve cells in them with a Bluetooth JBD BMS. $210 each last year. Now they're $170. Bluetooth everything. No need for monitors, shutoffs etc. it's all in the app. I also found 100w panels that put out more than 100w for $70 each. Read the reviews.
Ignorance buys what everyone is buying. Research and save.
Nice! We appreciate the input!
Thank you. Intelligent.
What are your thoughts on all of the seating options out there, and the general lack of testing or specific safety standards? Planning my build and a seat for my daughter and it seems like the smartfloor is my only legit option.
We use JMG in all our builds. Hopefully that helps! You can find them on our website.
Awesome vid
Thank you!
Yeah. Some of these prices just make me lol. But what I will say is they are like this because someone is paying it!!!
Agreed! On the contrary, some of these companies are California based and the cost to produce a single item is much more expensive which unfortunately gets passed on to the consumer.
@ majority of vanlife world is artisanal. Its like we forgot the Industrial Revolution and assembly line economics. A couple vendors have figured it out and are now manufacturing in mexico and cheaper locations to make a top quality product at a reasonable price.
Very good video
Glad you liked it! Thank you for supporting this channel. Good luck as well on your build, we'd love to see it when you're done!
Good vid, but the audio isn't clear enough. I had to turn on captions so I don't miss words as you're talking.
Thanks for letting me know, I'll work on improving the audio for future videos!
In 4 years, people can learn a lot, as in getting a college degree. Some,people,just want to go teaveling, so keep it safe but basic. Some,folks want swanky, expensive to impress their friends; and then there are woodworkers who spend every waking moment tweeking amazing cabinets.
Vans are a depreciating asset, and it is easy to forget why we bought one in the first place: to go outside and enjoy gorgeous locations in a small footprint.
My late husband and I camped in a VW 2001 Eurovan basic MV, no pop top, for 12 years. Remember the basics and have fun.
Sounds like epic adventures were had! Thank for the comment!
SG 👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😉
Most reviews online for van builds are phony
You're not wrong
Please explain who bonds and certifies an electrician. I’ve never heard of such a thing
I must apologize, as I had misspoke. Typically (and I may have my figures off) we see a state requirement of a $25k bond + 8,000 hours of work experience to become a general electrician in our state, but the systems and guidance we lean on are designed by certified electrical engineers with 15 years of experience directly in the automotive industry. A general electrician's experience is typically commercial or residential and while it would help, isn't always applicable to the automotive space.
@@Serg_supplyAgain, certified by whom?
Union
Even if you DIY its still a lot time and money invested, so what I see as the biggest issues is paying $80k for a new van or rolling the dice on a $30k used van shell knowing either might require engine and transmission rebuilds later that can cost $15k and never seem to last very long. That said the ROI on a van and conversion you plan to actually live or travel in is so good that it's still worth it. I see people paying top dollar for professionally converted Promasters with 100k+ miles and think that is risky. I think 5 years from now we will have new $30k EV stock cargo vans with 400 mile range and 10y powertrain warranties in the US that won't require house batteries, solar, inverters or much wiring work.
Those are all great points!
Pro tip: if you have a 170 sprinter dont bother getting flares/capsules. Trust me its not worth the time and definitely not the money haha.
Ruffling feathers? Now you're talking my language.
lol 🙌🏻
Just don't understand why you builders don't use metal framing. Cheaper lighter and 10x easier to work with. Blow's my mind
As in the same framing we use for commercial jobs? (Steel studs and track etc)
Fully disagree on the shower. I guess if you are only camping for 2 days, but then again, are you going to spend 100k and be limited? I have a truck camper. Use it for hunting, out of town golf tourneys, music touring gigs, camping for a week, etc. Having to drive around and look for a truck stop or gym (if near a city with one) is a pain. So nice to wake up, make coffee, hop in the shower, make breakfast and be on your way. 3 things after years of every kind of rv: --Dont have to make up a bed or convert a bed, ---on board power, preferably solar with generator backup (what I have), ---on board shower and toilet. These 3 things mean you are fully independent. Can go anywhere and do anything. I went truck camper as I have more room and freedom, at a fraction of a van build out. I do have a 4x4 sprinter 3500xd 170 extended, but I keep it pretty open so it can be whatever. Have solar with 4100wh, cook top, micro, coffeemaker, grill. I just throw my backpacking stiff in there and works great for day or 2 trips. Anything other than that, truck camper is far superior.
Thanks for the input!
This is good advise.
The immense skills and time it takes to build a van is why they are high priced. I have a 2019 Sprinter. If that’s not for you, buy a used rv and pack up!
It is definitely a lot of work. That's a great alternative to consider!
Good video
Glad you enjoyed it!
Gym membership for showers. No cooking in the van. It's not necessary. Solar, lithium batteries and 2000w inverter.
Insulation is a wate of time and money
You started in 2021 and in 4 years you’re an expert? I never liked talking head videos with self proclaimed experts talking up their version of the right way to do it. I see that you got some friends to post reviews below.
Negative much?
Negative much?
We appreciate your kind words and understand your frustration. Thank for making what we do worth while and supporting us through comments! Much appreciated.
@@Serg_supplysorry man, bad day, you remind me a lot of someone I don’t like. Good luck with your business.
@@Serg_supplydelete my negative comment. Take it for what it’s worth. I don’t normally flame anyone. I’ve been building vans since 1975 and I don’t know it all. I’m a vo-tech trained cabinet maker and had a full career as a mechanical design engineer. Still don’t know know it all.
Hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Inverter and battery is a waste of money with todays technology of portable battery
No need for fridge
This guy isn't a electrician
What was the saying ? The first build you……
Im not going out in an unfinished van. I artic camp. lol
Yeah I'm not sure this advice is applicable in the artic 🤣🤣
Lots of people claim to be qualified but are maniacs
Most of the shit in van builds is useless and dont last with a moving home
What about a bathroom?? No shower? lol
Great question! We offer the universal bench cabinet that you can store a toilet in. The Van Wife shower is also a popular option.
Yea, lots of build trash out there.
Agreed!
Deisel heater waste of time and money
Owl products suck
WTF is the “Van Industry?” LOL nothing new here.
Think usefulness and being versatile.
An army cot & sleeping bag, an ice chest, a comfortable folding chair.
A Sturdy enclosed box for canned goods.
Straps to secure all of the above.
Sound deaden the interior surfaces, perhaps some sort of durable, easily removable and washable carpeting.
Now you have plenty of remaining space for a few bicycles, tools and a dog carrier.
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Indeed! Thanks for the comment!
Agree. Find your needs b4, building what you think would be cool. Many just lose space.
ruclips.net/video/3GaLEJst9jI/видео.html 19:40 in, I'd love to know some of your builders you recommend! Either DM or replying to this comment would be great, as I am sure I am not the only one. You said it best, finding a good builder is harder than the build process itself and it shouldn't be, I wish the good builders were known more openly. Thanks!
Please reach out to us directly at customercare@sergsupply.com for more information about installers.
Biggest problem is living in the city and figuring out where to legally park the van while working on it, and keeping it from being stolen. Which is why we have not actually bought one yet.
Finding safe, legal parking for a van in the city can be tough. Working with a builder can be a great option since they can keep the van secure in their shop during installs. Good luck with your search!
Most of the shit in van builds is useless and dont last with a moving home