Street Fighter Cheating Is A Problem

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  • Cheating is a problem in Street Fighter 6.... let's discuss why
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Комментарии • 789

  • @Diaphone
    @Diaphone  11 месяцев назад +840

    One thing I want to preempt in the comments. Your odds of running into a cheater are still pretty low.. Unlike chess where you can just boot up a free engine on a separate device, there's no readily accessible way to cheat in SF6. You either need to pay $$$ or make your own. Cheaters aren't the reason you haven't hit master rank yet, trust.

    • @AzelasFromHyrule
      @AzelasFromHyrule 11 месяцев назад +95

      Yeah, especially because a cheater would not stay on a low rank for too long, this will be a problem in high master i guess

    • @memegazer
      @memegazer 11 месяцев назад +36

      It's not really that common in online chess either, there is good detection for obvious cheating.
      And it is only really and issue at higher elo where the cheaters know when and how to cheat much better.

    • @oleroX1
      @oleroX1 11 месяцев назад +22

      Im sure that Ken on plat 2 was cheating man i swear, they are keeping me down

    • @Diaphone
      @Diaphone  11 месяцев назад +41

      @@memegazer Agreed it's uncommon to play vs a cheater in chess, mostly because detection for catching cheaters has gotten quite good as well. Googling it, chess.com bans 800 accounts per day for cheating lol, kinda insane

    • @memegazer
      @memegazer 11 месяцев назад +7

      @@Diaphone
      Yeah...but at the higher levels just having an eval bar can provide a significant advantage to skilled player and make or break that game.
      So in that respect somebody that knows what they are doing can avoid detection better than a scrub that is cheating.

  • @OugiEin
    @OugiEin 11 месяцев назад +30

    Just from observing lightspeed, those whiff punishes were beyond anything ive ever seen Punk do without proper conditioning.

    • @gameclips5734
      @gameclips5734 11 месяцев назад +1

      depends how often they happen, just because someone whiff punished doesn't mean it was a reaction

    • @OugiEin
      @OugiEin 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@gameclips5734 True, But from watching a lot of tournaments, You would rather respect the drive rush and just sit at neutral then go for a risky whiff punish on an extended button, obviously depends on the character but still DI is damn near un-reactable

    • @Stroggoii
      @Stroggoii 11 месяцев назад +1

      The punishes and crazy confirms are not really that sus tbh. They could simply be someone who doesn't know or doesn't respect the meta and therefore will do ultra "risky" shit with massive payoffs because they haven't been peer pressured into being afraid to. We've had people who did stuff the pros didn't dare to before.
      Consistent perfect down-backs without touching neutral and never parrying on whiffs is way more telling.

  • @Liliphant_
    @Liliphant_ 11 месяцев назад +94

    careful, all the scrubs will blame cheating every time they lose

    • @Diaphone
      @Diaphone  11 месяцев назад +23

      Haha yea - I just pinned a comment to preempt this

    • @kaylenk4097
      @kaylenk4097 11 месяцев назад +2

      They will be thankfull for such content like these exist to make them feel better being themselves despite all the odds.

    • @Jtruth1986
      @Jtruth1986 11 месяцев назад +1

      Facts I don't consider my self elite but I noticed fighting game players love to blame their losses on everything but their skill level LMAO

    • @Invarus
      @Invarus 11 месяцев назад +3

      One problem this creates though, that other people have mentioned, is that if something LOOKS too good to someone (even if it isn't), they'll have to wonder whether it might have actually been cheating, and that's frustrating to have to worry about.

    • @spooky1058
      @spooky1058 11 месяцев назад

      Who cares about people complaining lol

  • @francescob.3019
    @francescob.3019 11 месяцев назад +5

    not all the cheats can be found by looking at impossible reaction times, I see you spend considerable time on that. Many of those can be luck and there's a big spectrum there, a good player can do great prediction and benefit from a little luck or sometime it can be sheer dumb luck. I think some other things are more telling like, obviously, consistency of such "luck", as you pointed out, or those things like not doing parries against fake fireballs, which looked very obvious to me.

  • @theilluminatingg
    @theilluminatingg 11 месяцев назад +18

    So what I don't understand is what is Denuvo doing if people can still cheat? I thought that was the purpose of implementing that.

    • @AdvPanda0
      @AdvPanda0 11 месяцев назад +25

      There's a big difference in how a lot of these cheat clients work vs how anti-cheats work. Alot of anti-cheats are looking for code injections, while these look like they're reading data and taking use of your controller, which would emulate human interaction. It's harder to detect this stuff than people realize.

    • @sloesty
      @sloesty 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@AdvPanda0maybe the one valorant uses could detect it, but people hated the fact it went into the root of your pc.
      But, tbf, in hundreds of hours of valo, i only saw one cheater and the match got ended in round 3 with the message "cheater detected", so I guess it rly works well.

    • @Shodan130
      @Shodan130 11 месяцев назад +11

      It was mostly an anti piracy measure rather than an anti cheat measure. Even though denuvo only keeps a game Uncracked for a week or 2 lmao

    • @theilluminatingg
      @theilluminatingg 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@AdvPanda0 Wow. I didn't know it got that in depth. Hopefully Capcom can implement something to prevent more widespread use of this. Thanks for the info though!

    • @KnucklesWTD
      @KnucklesWTD 11 месяцев назад

      @@Shodan130it’s been taking a lot longer for certain games I still think SF6 hasn’t been cracked yet

  • @YungBl3ss94
    @YungBl3ss94 6 месяцев назад +1

    There will be times I’m playing someone and they block everything that shouldn’t be blocked, or if I’m doing DI THEY ARE NOT EVEN ON THE GROUND THEY STILL MANAGE TO PERFECTLY DO A DI COUNTER . Not sure if this is a form of cheating but they block things that I should be able to block

  • @iorgicha3608
    @iorgicha3608 5 месяцев назад +1

    Nah, 8 seconds into the video and I already have to take a breather. That was a sucker punch of a statement if I have ever heard one

  • @plok3788
    @plok3788 11 месяцев назад +3

    At least it's still a small pool of cheaters compared to FPS where it's rampant, but the future definitely doesn't seem bright.

  • @NateBrownQR
    @NateBrownQR 11 месяцев назад +1

    This is still a very real problem in Magic the Gathering events too and they're still constantly dealing with new 'innovations' in the cheat game. To say nothing of the shmucks at your local.

  • @thenewkalpa
    @thenewkalpa 11 месяцев назад +3

    The cheating mentioned in this video is about things like frame perfect inputs, and saying a player still has to be competent to at least make the cheats work, yet this same community shows its cognitive dissonance when they have zero issue when Modern controls, and SF6 Classic controls in general, have these same issues.
    This is why the FGC will never be popular outside of its fringeness.

  • @WinterAyars
    @WinterAyars 11 месяцев назад

    That first Cammy... i believe Punk could get to #1 in 15 hours and he's known to have alt accounts, but i dunno how many other Cammy players could do that. Even if they got lucky. The gapless forward to downback input isn't that hard on hitbox, though, even with SOCD. It's just not something that's going to happen with any regularity. My vote is for cheater, regardless. Consistently landing weird, suboptimal publishes is real sketchy.

  • @DavidDexterGaming
    @DavidDexterGaming 10 месяцев назад

    I have no way of knowing if they are just amazing players or cheating though.... or if I just suck really bad that day lol
    The jumping forward and then jumping back is something I do, I might change my mind on what I was doing or I might be able to throw them off in some way, set a pattern until they expect me to jump back again but then I charge forward, that's not suss I don't think and the same with walking forward and then immediately down/back to block quickly, that is very normal, something have done with street fighter II since it arrived on the SNES, was that 1992? I need to do that one all the time, especially if it looks like they are just about to do a fireball or sliding attack, etc

  • @jurellgray2674
    @jurellgray2674 11 месяцев назад

    The first sentence of this video is absolutely wild.

  • @sanher20
    @sanher20 11 месяцев назад

    I play in Europe and the Zangief player didn't look suspicious at all at the beginning to me, this is how people play in Europe, DI in neutral all the time

  • @thuroria7631
    @thuroria7631 9 месяцев назад

    It's all about reading the network traffic, that gives the player positions and the player states. With that data, even I could create a script of this nature. Heck, these examples are even pretty basic, you could do so much more.
    It should be possible to encrypt this stuff so that it's not able to be used for these scripts. But Capcom's notoriously terrible at this sort of a thing.

  • @Enthcreations
    @Enthcreations 11 месяцев назад

    The first zangief is probably a good Ryu player and knows how to DI counter fireballs

  • @remigusker6024
    @remigusker6024 11 месяцев назад

    Macro combos were fucking everywhere in MK11

  • @bluewolf8873
    @bluewolf8873 11 месяцев назад +1

    I’m so happy that people are exposing so much of what’s going on street fighter. I’m positive MANY people are using cheats in casuals. Some might say who cares… it’s the principle and I’m trying to learn!

  • @bestsnowboarderuknow
    @bestsnowboarderuknow 11 месяцев назад +611

    I'm a software engineer and I've been looking for a new side project. I'm gonna write a program that analyzes inputs to determine if someone is a cheater. This could end up being a huge problem for online cash prize tournaments. If you set those modifiers to appear human it could conceivably be undetectable without some sort of computer analysis.

    • @Achallon
      @Achallon 11 месяцев назад +43

      best of luck, sounds like a fun project

    • @memegazer
      @memegazer 11 месяцев назад +29

      One of the things that stuck out about Hans in the chess scandal was his overall performance was an outlier compared to others in their career.
      While that is not definitive, Hans in particular has a stastically significant amount of variation in the leval of his performance overall compared to other chess pros.

    • @BanjoTheBot
      @BanjoTheBot 11 месяцев назад +8

      Are you gonna open source it? I'd love to see the code once it's done

    • @TerryDax
      @TerryDax 11 месяцев назад +20

      That's basically already written - it's the cheat's they're using. Just buy the cheat and reverse engineer it. But, ironically, if you open source that, it'll be used as an open source cheat haha

    • @PrivateJoker0119
      @PrivateJoker0119 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@memegazer it also doesn't help that he admitted to online cheating a couple of times back then..

  • @letmefeelthevibes
    @letmefeelthevibes 11 месяцев назад +331

    Banning cheaters in free to play games with millions of players is a waste of time and energy, but banning cheaters in a $70 game played only by a few tens of thousand players is both way easier to do, and effective.

    • @beatresca
      @beatresca 11 месяцев назад +3

      you can just familyshare the game to a different account

    • @xanious3759
      @xanious3759 11 месяцев назад +28

      @@beatresca still not nearly as bad as a f2p game, family share has a cap of how many can be shared to at once, its still more work to bypass

    • @damienwarlock
      @damienwarlock 11 месяцев назад +2

      SF6 is not free to play.

    • @bearnip
      @bearnip 11 месяцев назад +32

      he wasnt saying that @@damienwarlock

    • @ytcmbt2505
      @ytcmbt2505 11 месяцев назад +29

      @@damienwarlock I think your software needs a reading comprehension update

  • @KTSamurai1
    @KTSamurai1 11 месяцев назад +33

    you likely saw brian's video on this subject and i think youre validating a lot of the concerns he had back then: that the nature of these cheats makes them very difficult to confirm definitively. the fact that they auto-input for you while you play makes it look like sometimes youre cracked and sometimes youre not, and it's impossible to check for these without them attending an offline
    and the fact that you and other content creators are watching a replay and saying out loud to viewers "i dont know if this is cheating but it's sus" just adds to the general feeling of distrust that can and will grow as these things become more common
    great vid as usual

    • @floofzykitty5072
      @floofzykitty5072 11 месяцев назад +3

      Similar thing happens in a game called Dead by Daylight. Cheaters have changed from using obvious ones where they fly around or run at super speed, now your average cheater does something extremely subtle and practically invisible like *they move 3% faster,* but in the long run makes a difference. Sometimes you're just losing to a cheater and it's so subtle you just blame yourself because they have cheat macros where whenever the killer player does not have line of sight on them, their movement speed increases. "That person who just ran around the corner was probably just a bit further than I thought" you tell yourself, just like that person who seems to be reacting frame perfectly to you in SF6 might just be getting lucky.

  • @ericpeterson1383
    @ericpeterson1383 11 месяцев назад +57

    Absolutely it'll continue to be a problem. Cheaters make legitimate players lose interest in any game. For the health of the player base and community interest in the game, Capcom needs to figure out how to eliminate cheating.

    • @megac4
      @megac4 10 месяцев назад

      They don't give a s***.

    • @JagoShogun
      @JagoShogun 9 месяцев назад

      they care. they want and need sales.@@megac4

  • @NASkeywest
    @NASkeywest 11 месяцев назад +66

    If DSP sees this he will be making this his new excuse for losing

    • @ruminating1596
      @ruminating1596 11 месяцев назад +3

      Man, he's already crying cheaters lol. THat's why he turned cross play off and still got bodied.

    • @TheIcarusFalls
      @TheIcarusFalls 11 месяцев назад +1

      Dude's been using the cheater excuse since his days of getting bodied in SF4 lol

    • @izurukamukura221
      @izurukamukura221 11 месяцев назад

      @@TheIcarusFallsfucking pc cheaters dood 😂

    • @lousiffer5289
      @lousiffer5289 7 месяцев назад

      He can only make excuses since he sucks at the game and is trying to save his ego from some competition he did decades ago, that nobody showed up to.

  • @Ymx224
    @Ymx224 11 месяцев назад +90

    seeing mago and itazan playing the game normally and going toe to toe with someone using auto block and auto confirms really makes you appreciate how good the top players are.

    • @gameclips5734
      @gameclips5734 11 месяцев назад

      what if they are just using cheats too ;o

    • @wildwest1832
      @wildwest1832 11 месяцев назад +8

      @@gameclips5734 They arent though. I watched itazan and mago play SF for 15+ years back in sf 4. They didnt have cheats like that on consoles, and they were just as good back then. So they arent cheating. People that play in real life cant cheat they have to actually be good.

    • @HellCat_Kenny
      @HellCat_Kenny 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@wildwest1832they definitely can cheat, it’s a never ending game of cat and mouse. It’s just a matter of how far you want to go with it. I don’t think any top players cheat though tbh.

    • @sugoi9680
      @sugoi9680 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@HellCat_Kenny Obviously they physically can cheat. The question is why would they? There's no incentive for them to cheat when they play irl tournament.

  • @CosmicRPG
    @CosmicRPG 11 месяцев назад +28

    That imput reading of that Cammy in Japan was too perfect for a normal player, so the cheese is detected.

  • @PremiumSnack
    @PremiumSnack 11 месяцев назад +16

    Fchamp did a section on his stream about it. He mentioned the bots are weak to anti-airing (Likely for some technical reason) so he mows over them with Dhalsim all the time. IIRC, Vermillion Bird (China Flag) was the most recent cheater he ran into.

    • @ryo-kai8587
      @ryo-kai8587 11 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah, saw that vid and he mentioned Lightspeed as well, including how Capcom reset their MR back to 1500.

  • @yep8673
    @yep8673 11 месяцев назад +17

    A high level player using these cheats in an online tournament would be extremely hard to catch.

    • @torakka2ow640
      @torakka2ow640 11 месяцев назад +1

      Especially if u can toggle auto block

  • @blackmailed1072
    @blackmailed1072 11 месяцев назад +98

    I really hope the Capcom Cup is regulated in some way to prevent anybody from cheating. Its often the most talented who can get away with cheating the most.

    • @protodevilin
      @protodevilin 11 месяцев назад +7

      They should make all the competitors submit a video recording of their hands on the controller/stick for each match.

    • @chibinya
      @chibinya 11 месяцев назад +7

      isnt it live on-stage? You need a modded system at home to use these

    • @fazehank5311
      @fazehank5311 11 месяцев назад

      SpaceUSA🗣🕋😩‼️🇮🇪

    • @djhero0071
      @djhero0071 11 месяцев назад

      @chibinya There's online qualifiers and events I believe. Also, PC is still a thing. It's not like Capcom will hold tourneys only on console.

    • @SublimeDBX
      @SublimeDBX 11 месяцев назад

      @@djhero0071 i thought all Capcom official tournaments were on PS5... If not, couldn't they just make it on consoles to avoid cheaters?

  • @lorenzoruiz110
    @lorenzoruiz110 11 месяцев назад +72

    I’m glad people are bringing this to attention

  • @Hdubs933
    @Hdubs933 8 месяцев назад +4

    cheating is a problem in every competitive game at this point

    • @takedakurosawa5416
      @takedakurosawa5416 3 месяца назад +1

      MK1 is unplayable because the cheating has gotten so bad!

  • @TheJakeJackson
    @TheJakeJackson 11 месяцев назад +14

    The hitbox comment: per CPT rules you cannot play on hitbox with SOCD off. You need to have it set to SOCD neutral.

    • @Diaphone
      @Diaphone  11 месяцев назад +2

      Ahh yea I get the two mixed up lol

    • @TheBlueArcher
      @TheBlueArcher 11 месяцев назад +1

      I though SOCD off was allowed because the game itself interprets SOCD neutral if received.

    • @TheJakeJackson
      @TheJakeJackson 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@TheBlueArcher That sounds true, I believe it. But it's not obligatory, you can have your own SOCD cleaner as most buttonboxes do.

  • @thatboytoni238
    @thatboytoni238 11 месяцев назад +9

    To my understanding: Capcom determined Lightspeed was cheating and reverted their MR back to 1500. I don't know how reputable the source of this information is but...allegedly.

  • @GuyN0ir
    @GuyN0ir 11 месяцев назад +10

    The DI at 2:52 was held for 30 frames. All the ones he did before were liek 5-7 frames, which is WAY shorter than I would expect someone to hold the buttons for. I think that 30 frame DI was legit, the others were cheats.

  • @Wanglord
    @Wanglord 11 месяцев назад +8

    Can't wait for Darksydephil to watch this and start the next chapter of his "All PC players are cheating" copium arc.

  • @DorkanTV
    @DorkanTV 11 месяцев назад +14

    The problem with this type of cheats is that whatever you use to detect them, it can be improved/fixed in the next version of the cheat. To name a few: they can add a neutral input in between, random delays, random percentages so they are not 100% success but rather something more believable. The only real fix to this is anti-cheat software (which the FGC has zero experience about) and moving the competitive ecosystem back to mostly offline (which I would love for other reasons).

    • @Sumatchi
      @Sumatchi 11 месяцев назад

      I'm curious which anti cheat softwares you know of that are 100% effective if you know of any.

    • @Owlr4ider
      @Owlr4ider 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@Sumatchi Nothing in life is absolute other than death and taxes... You're never aiming for 100% effectiveness, that doesn't mean you shouldn't still try...

  •  11 месяцев назад +5

    I'm pretty sure I've played that zangief cheater before, i was suspicious of his gameplay because he was throw teching EVERY time correctly while not falling for a single shimmy and also countering all my DI, but he wasn't anti-airing properly nor doing anything else quite as optimally, so i decided to test him and threw a few random DI on neutral and he "reacted" to all of them by frame 6...

  • @theerepenterakatheecomfort277
    @theerepenterakatheecomfort277 9 месяцев назад +3

    Gaming is dead cuz cheaters

  • @protodevilin
    @protodevilin 11 месяцев назад +39

    This one time in ranked I ran into a 'Sim player who managed to break EVERY SINGLE THROW ATTEMPT from me over the course of the entire set. I was playing Cammy, whose throw loops and mixups are simply impossible to predict with 100% accuracy, but this guy was doing it. I reached a point in the matches where I was mixing in throws at the weirdest times I could think of, but it didn't matter. In retrospect, I think he was either abusing an exploit, or running a script.
    EDIT: Ugh, cue the "git gud" crowd. Never change, FGC.

    • @camelvids10
      @camelvids10 11 месяцев назад +10

      No he wasn’t you were just being predictable

    • @WhiteKnuckleRide512
      @WhiteKnuckleRide512 11 месяцев назад +16

      There was a glitch that would auto-tech throws for you for a while earlier this year, they may have just been exploiting that

    • @thekillaboy8817
      @thekillaboy8817 11 месяцев назад

      I mean, that’s tough to call considering that I myself notice that Cammy players LOOVE throws, so whenever I’m in a mixup situation that’s the first thing I’m looking for and usually end up teching most of them. The only throw from them I get hit by a lot is the flip grab.

    • @garr123
      @garr123 11 месяцев назад +5

      what rank are you
      like i can tech 100% of throws against worse players because they either don't shimmy or do it very obviously in a way that doesn't fuck with delay tech

    • @manei34
      @manei34 11 месяцев назад

      google "Delayed Tech"

  • @ZefieIyanami
    @ZefieIyanami 11 месяцев назад +487

    That gief didn't parry a single feint projectile, even up close. Continued holding forward even. Definitely a cheat

    • @loopygordo
      @loopygordo 11 месяцев назад +52

      That's the one thing that sold me. You can't perfectly read every feint with that much confidence.

    • @kobewan1746
      @kobewan1746 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@loopygordo😢opj

    • @marcunbut1058
      @marcunbut1058 11 месяцев назад +3

      He is not cheating, its not impossible to react that fast or to anticipate. Specially when you know your opponent's gameplan either because you know him or you know vow his character is played. Nothing that gief did was impossible to do while playing normally

    • @DWIP798
      @DWIP798 11 месяцев назад +53

      ​@@marcunbut1058 definitely a cheater, no human can be that consistent, even if technically it's possible to react to feint ghost or air SPD the tp, it's impossible to be that consistent at doing it.

    • @loopygordo
      @loopygordo 11 месяцев назад +18

      @marcunbut1058 yea dude really? I don't know how long you've been playing but I've legit never seen anyone come close to doing something like that against jp. That shit ain't normal.

  • @Xenoxion
    @Xenoxion 11 месяцев назад +2

    I thought Denuvo was supposed to stop this? So it doesn't stop piracy, and it doesn't stop cheating. All for the low, low price of making your game run worse. What a steal.

  • @sloesty
    @sloesty 11 месяцев назад +6

    You have to be rly good to know somebody cheats. In shooters its the same with some cheats. In apex, i couldn't tell at the start, but now, i can tell when its a cheater. Like, if im tapstrafing and a guy oneclips me with a multitude of headshots, i know its Sus already. Lucky shits exist, but not if you keep doing it.
    Must be the same here. Im learning fighting games, and i cant tell whats real and whats not yet.

    • @acydrayn73
      @acydrayn73 11 месяцев назад +3

      With fighting games, it will be relatively similar, you'll find people with stupid ridiculous reactions, with ultra flawless defense, who barely understand the fundamentals of the game. Like how you'd see cheaters in apex with garbage movement and absolutely 0 gamesense who just laser people with visible aimsnapping. The better at the actual game they are, the harder it is to tell. It might be a real issue.

    • @ryo-kai8587
      @ryo-kai8587 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@acydrayn73 That's definitely true, and you're both right. It's the very suspicious combination of generally poor gamesense and fundamentals, coupled with totally insane and consistent reactions/execution/aiming.

    • @helljumperodst6780
      @helljumperodst6780 11 месяцев назад +3

      Yeah blatant cheaters are easy to catch, but when a good player who has a good game sense uses very subtle hacks it becomes harder to notice (eg. Pros and streamers).

    • @ryo-kai8587
      @ryo-kai8587 11 месяцев назад

      @@helljumperodst6780 Definitely, and this is where the biggest threat lies since it's so hard to detect, on top of the player already being good to begin with

  • @MichaelSmith-zw5fu
    @MichaelSmith-zw5fu 11 месяцев назад +3

    Four. Hundred. Dollars?
    To cheat in a $60 game??
    Holy shit.

  • @Gohak315
    @Gohak315 11 месяцев назад +12

    Ive been accused of cheating recently, It felt nice

  • @Mikhailnoise
    @Mikhailnoise 11 месяцев назад +8

    What an incredible opening line for a video. Had to take a moment to pause and replay just to truly grasp what had been said. Fantastic script.

  • @thatoneflyinghat
    @thatoneflyinghat 11 месяцев назад +2

    Imagine cheating and still losing

  • @kyletech84
    @kyletech84 11 месяцев назад +2

    Im sure phil Burnell would give this video a thousand thumbs up, not that id expect anyone to know who the hell that is. 😂

  • @LarsonLordSoul
    @LarsonLordSoul 11 месяцев назад +7

    i miss when playing on playstation protected me from cheaters

    • @acydrayn73
      @acydrayn73 11 месяцев назад +2

      Unfortunately, for fighting games, it never really did, macros have been a part of console fighting games for as long as 3rd party controllers have had a "Turbo" button. With that said, the potential for issue is large, but the amount of fgc cheaters is quite low.

    • @Optim121
      @Optim121 11 месяцев назад

      with controller mods you still get cheaters in every game, give people an inch they'll take a mile

  • @ytfch-ef8zf
    @ytfch-ef8zf 11 месяцев назад +5

    Cheating definitely isn't an issue right now atleast that makes ranked unplayable. But I think it's going to be an actual issue in SF6 eventually as cheating becomes more available and prominent. Especially with how effective cheating is despite the skrubs using em.

  • @jasonwaltman3566
    @jasonwaltman3566 10 месяцев назад +2

    Wow, remember when we used to go to the arcade and play a game because it was fun? Just for the fun of playing?

  • @legbert123
    @legbert123 11 месяцев назад +2

    Why offline event should be the normal instead of the exception.

  • @Wedgez
    @Wedgez 11 месяцев назад +76

    This is pretty legitimately concerning to me, especially as someone who plays primarily on PC and already has had to deal with this in other games. If Capcom doesn't step in somehow it will get worse over time. It's also too hard to detect in a fighting game because there's many really small but significant interactions that you can influence.

    • @fatalradius
      @fatalradius 11 месяцев назад +1

      Very concerning, but I am sure Capcom is getting wind of it now.

    • @thenewkalpa
      @thenewkalpa 11 месяцев назад +1

      Yet you have no issue with Modern and even Classic being lenient enough for barely competent players getting wins they'd never even dream of getting in pre-SF5

    • @thenewkalpa
      @thenewkalpa 11 месяцев назад

      @zerstreubar Doesn't matter what you think. SF6 has shown SF have no standards.

    • @planexshifter
      @planexshifter 11 месяцев назад +3

      @Agent_A-Grahm
      I too feel that modern controls was a terrible idea.
      Only dirty jam eating scrubs use modern.

    • @CJ-wh7ik
      @CJ-wh7ik 11 месяцев назад +1

      Block player, carry on with your day - it's that simple lmao

  • @Kalyx
    @Kalyx 11 месяцев назад +3

    This is why I did not want crossplay with PC in any game.

    • @Kalyx
      @Kalyx 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@Fralorgrafon The problem is volume. The volume is night and day, this is common knowledge.

  • @lookatmego_ohyes
    @lookatmego_ohyes 11 месяцев назад +6

    so glad i have post notifs on. i always look forward to this man's videos

  • @tokyobassist
    @tokyobassist 10 месяцев назад +1

    As a Plat 1 player who cooks alongside high Diamonds and Masters, ranks are a complete joke in this game.
    I ran into a Master Ryu a few days before Phase 2 started and the person had zero Ranked Matches logged. All Battle Hub, Practice and World Tour only. As expected, they played at about Gold level. Is hacking ranks actually possible? If so does it affect Legend rankings?

  • @EpsilonKnight2
    @EpsilonKnight2 11 месяцев назад +1

    I'll never understand the mentality of cheating at competitive games. Not only does it ruin the point of the game entirely but it's effectively like admitting to yourself and sometimes openly that you are absolute trash.

  • @Zdman2001
    @Zdman2001 11 месяцев назад +3

    Sadly, it's one of those things Capcom can fight but will never win. The true solution is intrusive software that scans your computer and prevents cheats from happening (very hard to do). If it's just detection from replays, it's just a forever chase of cheaters getting better and Capcom having to catch up. Eventually, non-cheaters will get flagged if they go to aggressively.

  • @linhza501
    @linhza501 6 месяцев назад +1

    Feels like I've definitely faced cheaters before. SOmetimes one dude just like perfect throw tech every single time no matter how unpredictable I try to be. And since I'm in Asia servers that 100% could be the case.

  • @Pizone81
    @Pizone81 10 месяцев назад +1

    Smfh this is why gaming sucks now assholes manipulating the game I mean some games already had certain glitches that players in the know abused but to go out of the way to cheat is total hogshit perfect example is in 1st person shooters I was a FC2 multiplayer guy I would literally empty out on a guy and he would turn and just shoot me and when I called BS out he would say spawn shield meanwhile I would spawn get shot down immediately

  • @ChangeofPace777
    @ChangeofPace777 11 месяцев назад +1

    The majority of the world's current best players on every video game are cheating. A lot use small cheats or take advantages in minor ways that might not "technically" be cheating but should certainly be considered cheating. There is never any actual control or check to see if they are cheating so the chance of getting caught is super low. Quite frankly the only reason people are now starting to talk about cheating in fighting games is that the "pros" have begun to complain. But in all reality the pros cheated first and are upset they are getting out cheated.

  • @adamswing6115
    @adamswing6115 11 месяцев назад +1

    Sacrificed performance for denuvo, and it still doesn't work. I HATE DENUVO I HATE DENUVO I HATE DENUVO

  • @DaPhenomAce
    @DaPhenomAce 11 месяцев назад +1

    Cheating is ruining all competitive video games. I don't understand the fun in watching a computer win for you

  • @GraveXSensei
    @GraveXSensei 11 месяцев назад +1

    Ahh yes, here we go again .. Typical Gen Z whining .. I can't win, their cheating, nerf this, nerf that .. Freaking kiddie meals ~ 😂😂😂

  • @juffe_h1666
    @juffe_h1666 11 месяцев назад +1

    That wasn’t even natural inputs from lightspeed 😂 you don’t go just only back and forward and block frame perfect or punish perfectly every time

  • @littlemisseevee2309
    @littlemisseevee2309 11 месяцев назад +1

    that zangief one looks like it could be real, I know that in some games I just do these weird things that work a lot of times and would seem weird until you understand what players I fight and how I fight in general, some holes in my play due to most players not exploiting them, but seeing how consistent some of these defenses are though… it might be cheating with this guy

  • @evekay33
    @evekay33 11 месяцев назад +1

    "Let's start from the bottom"
    *quick cutback to chess TSA agent scanning dude's butt*
    A+ editing

  • @riffcrypt8438
    @riffcrypt8438 11 месяцев назад +1

    They need to return to in person tournaments if prize pools are going to remain elevated. There is no way around it if you want competitive integrity.

  • @NineEight_Nine
    @NineEight_Nine 11 месяцев назад +1

    im going to buy the hack, make a modded sega dream cast controller, install the hack in a virtual memory card, insert it into my controller and win evo..they'll never know my sinister plan

  • @Belive7heHype
    @Belive7heHype 11 месяцев назад +1

    I swear most pros downplay master rank so much 1730 is the top 3.7 percent of master rank! Top 1.2 percent of all players.

    • @XxFinalFlashXx1
      @XxFinalFlashXx1 11 месяцев назад

      It’s funny to downplay people of lower ranks until you lose to them and they get mad 😂 I’m around 1300-1400 MR and I swear people above 1500 get so salty. Beat this one Blanka with around 1670MR and he lost and left the cabinet and sent me a salty DM.

  • @Monty2289
    @Monty2289 11 месяцев назад +1

    Wait what. This how we open vids. I had to replay the first 5 seconds like 6 timrs

  • @redmagebr
    @redmagebr 11 месяцев назад +16

    I'm concerned about the fearmongering going around. I don't imagine there are that many actual cheaters in-game. $400 is a huge entry fee, and I just can't see the average player going through with it. If they cared enough about it that $400 seems adequate, they'd probably already be at masters or close to it, but otherwise it's far too expensive.
    And therein lies the problem. I read the forums and we have Golds and Platinums yelling "Cheater! Scripts!" at each other. "Guy DId all my random DIs, he's a cheater! They were all from neutral but he didn't miss a single one! Cheater! Cheater! Cheater!!!!!!!!!". A lot of channels are overblowing the cheater issue and people are starting to think it's some sort of pandemic and the community is falling apart. This is, to me, worse than the cheaters themselves - we're killing the community with trust issues.
    imo, with the block feature it doesn't really matter. If someone looks like a cheater, or even is just plain annoying to play, you can just block them and never deal with it again. Sucks for online events being used as qualifiers, though. But I feel we can't let the community eat itself over a minority of a minority doing cheats.

    • @nukelex
      @nukelex 11 месяцев назад

      Well said

    • @Owlr4ider
      @Owlr4ider 9 месяцев назад +1

      I certainly agree with you that most of the people yelling 'cheater' at each other are more often than not flat out wrong and it's just the usual toxicity calling someone a 'cheater' instead of a 'm*****f*****' for example. Still, cheating is prevalent and it's far from a 400$ entry fee, that was just 1 example of many possible cheats some more sophisticated than others. The thing is that your attitude here is wrong. You're basically saying we should ignore the problem because toxic people use it as a way to be toxic, but in truth toxic people will be toxic no matter what, and it doesn't matter if the toxicity is calling someone a cheater, a *insert bad word here* or whatever else. By saying it's a trust problem you're dismissing the more obvious generic toxicity aspect and reading too much into the content of the toxicity, which really makes no difference.

  • @Lanzetsu
    @Lanzetsu 11 месяцев назад +2

    I honestly can't understand it, I play for fun and if I go tryhard I WANT TO BE BETTER, not a filthy win with some cheat. I am the type of people who doesn't even like to pick top tiers or abuse glitches/broken stuff in fighting games, I can not comprehend how someone would use cheats on something that basically is a test about yourself... It is like going to the gym and doing nothing while telling others lies on how you lifted weight.

    • @Shodan130
      @Shodan130 11 месяцев назад

      If it’s in the game abuse it, there is no problem with abusing broken shit or top tiers. Especially when money is involved.
      Granted scripts and the like aren’t in the game

    • @sd5919
      @sd5919 11 месяцев назад

      Mental illness I figure.

    • @aquaticnstuff7666
      @aquaticnstuff7666 11 месяцев назад

      lmao thats the saem analogy I came to, it's like cheating at the gym

    • @MegaloMan-d6l
      @MegaloMan-d6l 5 месяцев назад

      @@aquaticnstuff7666 Never cheated once in anything in games or even as a kid tbh, love the journey and fun that comes with improvement but i took steroids to get huge fast so i could get loads of pussy. I guess its about if what you want is pride/progression or if the end result is your only goal.

  • @MalikAbdulWahab-pm5ul
    @MalikAbdulWahab-pm5ul 9 месяцев назад +1

    I don't think that Cammy guy cheating. I actually play like that a lot blocking all the low hits

  • @ucheucheuche
    @ucheucheuche 11 месяцев назад +1

    Future, cannot use your own controller. Competition provides controllers.

  • @HatakeKakashii77
    @HatakeKakashii77 11 месяцев назад +1

    Watch minute 5:31.... I hate my mind... Whyyyyy there so many details for the jiggle

  • @KiMLoKO1
    @KiMLoKO1 11 месяцев назад +1

    Can't wait for AI anti cheats that can detect the use of scripts instantly... Online gaming ruined by these cheaters!

  • @YungBl3ss94
    @YungBl3ss94 6 месяцев назад +1

    Just ban pc players from cross play and have them play against each other

  • @nebbiez
    @nebbiez 11 месяцев назад +2

    What's worrying is if they invested a bit more time to make the script react realistically, with reaction times that are humanly possible, more realistic use of drive gauge, make it only guess right in RPS 80-90% of the time, etc.
    If you combined all those elements together, it would make it feel a lot more human while maintaining an insanely high win rate.

  • @Iagui3
    @Iagui3 11 месяцев назад +1

    Fought a guy that was able to perfect parry any crouching MK.
    Only the MK and once i stoped doing it i destroyed him.

  • @vapersmith7859
    @vapersmith7859 11 месяцев назад +2

    Cheating is one of those things that deeply annoys me I understand its mostly limited to high rating but its a violation of a game I like a lot I hope a way to cancel it is found soon.

  • @Gramasz
    @Gramasz 11 месяцев назад +1

    if a 1700+ player cheats it's IMPOSSIBLE to caught, (especially if there is a switch on/off button, like the aimbot) you just need to guess right in 1 or 2 key moments. at this rank I played against a well programmed bot, he was playing weird but only in the second match I realized it was a bot

  • @dmen0563
    @dmen0563 10 месяцев назад +1

    I've been running into them non stop and it's seriously ruining my experience

  • @milesmendy5490
    @milesmendy5490 11 месяцев назад +2

    The worst is that there is no value to cheat cause the only thing you gonna win is hate from all the fgc

    • @Inojin67
      @Inojin67 11 месяцев назад +2

      That doesn't matter to them at all. These are the kind of people who spread shit on the wall in public restrooms, they feel better knowing they ruined someone else's day

  • @Pichoniix
    @Pichoniix 10 месяцев назад +1

    This does not happen on Consoles, so bad crossplay is enabled by default

  • @Fucklifedeadshit
    @Fucklifedeadshit 11 месяцев назад +13

    There was just straight up macro programs publicly available for games like nicktoons that were endorsed by the developers to be used in online play to cheat. I was dog piled and mocked out of the community for calling it cheating 😂 the reality now is just unfortunately that we can’t have serious competition over the internet anymore.

    • @Fucklifedeadshit
      @Fucklifedeadshit 9 месяцев назад

      @@redmoogle I mean, I have good internet. The internet is a wonderful thing.

  • @quisetheeztv21
    @quisetheeztv21 11 месяцев назад

    I get off call of duty till the new one cuz of cheaters now i can’t even play my favorite fighter cuz of cheater this shit getting real weak out here ‼️

  • @MexcanNinja
    @MexcanNinja 11 месяцев назад +1

    as a zangeif depending on the match up. i would totally jump back, after jumping forward. but not parrying or blocking when JP threw the fake fireballs was super sus.

  • @SonnyBCreative
    @SonnyBCreative 11 месяцев назад +1

    Capcom might be adding some interesting challengers to ranked to keep it entertaining

    • @theuzi8516
      @theuzi8516 11 месяцев назад +1

      That would actually be kind of fun ngl. Randomly, you encounter a boss CPU for your rank that gives lots of LP/MR on a win and takes relatively few on a loss.

  • @meowmixmeowmix
    @meowmixmeowmix 6 месяцев назад +1

    The gief had perfect 360 inputs lol.

  • @Lightmakerslife
    @Lightmakerslife 9 месяцев назад +1

    No we talking about the ones w the 9999 stats.. i call bull

  • @KiMLoKO1
    @KiMLoKO1 11 месяцев назад +1

    Lightspeed? hes literally telling hes cheating in his name...

  • @deadfr0g
    @deadfr0g 11 месяцев назад +11

    Important cheating consideration: SF6 uses _at minimum_ 10 different input channels (4 directions plus 6 buttons), so the game strictly requires at least 4 different beads (2^4=16) to create a full notation system that covers all possible inputs without having to resort to a morse-code-like system for single non-combination inputs. This means that any player who has three or fewer buttholes would realistically probably need to keep at least one bead somewhere else on their body; for example, taped under one of their armpits or something.

    • @Tinil0
      @Tinil0 11 месяцев назад

      I really want to engage in this joke because it is well done but I am so sick of the Niemann butt jokes from people who don't follow chess that I can't give it the appreciation it deserves.

  • @damienwarlock
    @damienwarlock 11 месяцев назад

    "there's no cheat that will just automatically play the game for you" yet you reference toolassisted in the beginning. yeah, there's cheaters out there running lvl 8 CPU bots against people. if you think that's not happening, i've got a bridge to sell you. i've been fighting against these people for decades and can instantly identify these cheaters and they immediately go on the block list.

  • @Gellus-C
    @Gellus-C 11 месяцев назад

    The cheating in egregious on all platforms and competitive games. Sad because the cheaters/modders actually think they have skill.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

  • @quietdignityandgrace
    @quietdignityandgrace 11 месяцев назад

    According to DSP Gaming... The game is broken on release, LAAAAAAAG, Dropped inputs, Canceled Commands, Devs are STOOPUD, Hundreds and Thousands of Cheaters all day every day, Unfinished Clunky Mess.
    You Must respect DSP, he can see Individual Frames IN REAL TIME, all 30 frames every second. Super Powers? Or He's just that good.
    Can't find a cheater on your own? Watch Phil play, EVERY LAST OPPONENT is using cheats. So it MUST be true. Or he just sucks at games.... Naw, game is broken.

  • @rickgrimes3479
    @rickgrimes3479 3 месяца назад

    Where the hell have you been for the past 30 years? all fighting games have been made for cheating for monetary gains especially Street Fighter.

  • @hakumenx1
    @hakumenx1 11 месяцев назад +1

    Its rare but not as rare as you think. Ive ran into a few or its the same player frequently swapping names.
    Asuka made abusing the AI stupidly easy to spot.
    Especially when they start walking back and forth rapidly while getting hit by cubes.
    The problem is proving it was a cheat because you can switch them off with 1 button and back on again to throw ppl off.

  • @LouisXtheNPC
    @LouisXtheNPC 11 месяцев назад

    There's something I don't understand, maybe someone can explain to me : what's point of cheating in video games online. You don't win anything, you ruin people's experience and you show the world how pathetic you are. Cheating in 1 player games (offline), yeah, I understand (I do it), but in online environment???

  • @df1phantom
    @df1phantom 11 месяцев назад

    Im sure capcom can pickup manipulation in a tournament game, because their eyes will be on it. But online play not involving money they wont be looking as often unless theres a bunch of complaints

  • @darrenifyouask
    @darrenifyouask 8 месяцев назад

    I played someone today with a 178 win streak. I was thinking his must be good but what happen was when I was in the corner as I decided to hold down block, he would only grab.
    Then I decided to hold “up” then he jabbed.
    Then I did EX then he blocked. (That’s when I knew he could see my inputs some how)
    I was unsure as to how this could happen online but I did further research lead me to see that people can read inputs.

  • @LEWfromdaHOU
    @LEWfromdaHOU 11 месяцев назад

    And you can tell the ones cheating. Master rank but a generic name, no change to their avatar non whatsoever, just sitting at a battle hub cabinet by themselves for hours on end.