Should Your Next Bike Be An E-Bike?
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- The debate between EMTBs and MTBs has been raging on since electric bikes first surfaced in the cycling world, but with EMTB tech advancing at an extremely fast rate and getting lighter and lighter, more people are making the switch, but should you?
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I'm a Downhill rider thru and thru, and ever since I started riding my heavy AF Ebike, I've been able to start just tossing my DH around like a feather and I love it. It is a phenomenal training tool that anyone can add to their arsenal. They're also just great fun. Honestly could never bring myself to enjoy trail riding before cause fitness isn't a main focus of mine and I don't particularly care for climbing BUT now I'm riding almost every day having the time of my life. And surprisingly in great shape because of just how much I'm riding. :D So, anytime I hear someone diss me or call me a cheater, I just remember that I'm enjoying life and at the end of the day, that's what MTBing is all about isn't it? Enjoying yourself and having fun with your mates.
Mate, most people are struggling to fuel their cars, heat their houses and feed the kids let alone add a full suspension e-bike to their collection as a 'training tool' lol
Yeh man, same here, I don’t give a flying F what people around me thinks or say, I’m enjoying and that’s all it matters.
@@tc8066 "most people" don't have ebikes.
Excellent point about the heavier ebike being a training tool for riders just like the weights on bats are tools for warmup swings. When they remove the weight they proceed to swing the bat around like a feather. I believe you would travel more miles on an ebike and therefore get just as much or more exercise.
Crack on make, well said!
To be honest it used to be a novelty to see an e-bike on my local haunts. Now its a novelty to see a non-e bike.
E-bike has changed my life. I have lost over 60 lbs because I ride more and I can overcome my disabilities that my knees have constrained me into. At fist I thought e-bikes were cheating but after my results I am a believer in the e-bike. I work hard on the climbs but do not hurt my knees as much which means I ride more and still burn calories doing so.
I just got my new E-bike 4 days ago, I had stopped mountain biking years ago because the slopes outside of my house were not inviting and despite being fit from kitesurfing and snowboarding, MTB was not rewarding at all. I live north of Barcelona in the mountains that surround the coast, a paradise for hikers and bikers that I have re-discovered thanks to EMTB. Now I’m planning every day new routes, some days up to 40 or 50 Km, I climb crazy rugged slopes that I otherwise would have to walk my bike through and I’m doing more workout than I had ever done with my former analogical MTB. So yes, you should definitely get an EMTB!
Neil is a excellent presenter
He is now. When you look at old videos you can see that he had some work in front of him to get to this level. He was very awkward and tense in the beginning of his gmbn videography, but he really grew into the role as a presenter.
@@daray666 I think we would all be the same in front of a camera, I really like the presenters on these bike channels
Neil is brilliant! Thanks for the support, Tony!
Thanks Tony
Blake and Neil are the best!
I am 45 and have some health issues. In the past I loved to ride my mtb. So, I have ordered an ebike and hope to enjoy riding a bike on a trail again.
I’m starting to feel the same way, I’m 40 and don’t ride like I use too due to a knee injury
how's are you liking it? I'm absolutely in love with mine
I'm 68 and love my Evil Offering. So nope, no motors for now. Maybe later on if I get too old to have fun. HA
I am considering an ebike for commuting (I'll got the DIY route though) - at 45 years old and 25km to work one way, I'm noticing my endurance just isn't what it used to be (my short explosive sprints are as strong as ever thankfully). I'll never get rid of my roadie or MTB, but if it means I can get into work more comfortably, less sweaty and less tired, then I'm for it.
For those kinds of distances an E-Bike is a great choice.
Buy a scooter
Exactly my situation. I am 63 years old and commute 36 km every day on my bike here in Vancouver Canada. I abhor e-bikes that allow ghost pedaling (I.e. without torque sensor), so bought a Trek Powerfly 4FS this year, and it has been a lifesaver for me. I still get decent exercise on my daily ride but can again get to work without being totally knackered.
@@Chladimir Why?
You should also test entry-level hardtail mountain bikes like Trek Roscoe and Marlin which beginners like me can afford.
The trek roscoe is amazing. I bought it during covid and it's been a great mountain bike
Last year I took the plunge and got myself a Trek Fuel Exe and I can say is it’s an amazing bit of kit - best of both worlds in many ways.
Ive just picked one up, hands down the best bike I have ever owned hands down, it is so addictive 👍
I love my e mtb for everyday use. When I'm shooting for conditioning/training I turnoff the power, cranking the heavier weight is an obvious positive. When you want fun, crank up the boost and hit the gnarly bits.
Exactly..
The number one negative sidr of e-bikes, is that there is so much more electronics on it that can stop functioning or batteries that just get worse and worse over time. A normal bike, that is purely mechanical, will always be repairable (as long as the companies don't change their bb- or hub standards suddenly again for no reason). A 20 year old bike can still be used. I'll bet you won't find usable e-bikes from these years in 20 years time.
When was the last time you saw a 20 year old mountain bike on the trail?
That is what people said when cars came out for the first time. If everyone was thinking that way, we would be still sitting by the fire in the caves
I think it’s a good point. I’m super paranoid about getting my ebike wet and ruining the electronics (ebike conversion kit). That goes for riding and transporting the bike.
Right now I'm in my 30's and happy with my full suspension "normal" bike.
However I have no doubt that in some point in my life I will switch to a (light) E-MTB.
Emtb all the way
Made my choice 4 years ago and never looked back! Still have analog bike but last time i rode it was about 4years ago. E-bikes are future for older men. I own now 2 s-works turbo, 1pro, and 1comp levo for myself, wife and family friends.
Aside the bike my dad bought when I was a kid, I've never owned my own bike. Went straight to emtb and never looked back. The hills at the start of the tracks around where I live make life miserable first thing in the morning
I rode bikes for many years for leisure and transportation. Then didn’t for several years. During the pandemic I got an E-bike (a kinda road EMTB with upgrade potential). This summer I went MMTB (muscle mountain bike), so the opposite way. I have both in my garage and they both have a place in my biking world.
Such clean riding by Niel! Would love to see him ride full Pay-Rise now it's done :)
Cheers, it was a fun day out
As Im getting older. less flexible and more injured my riding has changed. i can no longer downhill due to knee, ankle and back and wrist injury(yes, all sport related, some from 30 years ago). i also find road biking boring and the position hurts. my e mtb bike has helped me alot
Great to hear that the E-bike still gets you out riding the good stuff!
No intention of getting an ebike at this point, certainly not while I’m still fit enough to haul myself to the top of the hill under my own steam. Seems like at least half of the riders you see at trail centres are on them now and even young kids, which I do struggle to get my head around.
Different goals. I used to ride motocross bikes as a kid. I rode then and ride now only for fun. An ebike for me is WAY more fun than my regular MTB. I can season hills and never stop at the top to rest. I’ve ridden way more since I’ve gotten my ebike.
Some people dig challenge, and some people dig fun. Sometimes those goals are parallel and sometimes they are on opposing sides. For some people, quantity is more important than quality and vice versa. Some people think the juice (that thrill of FINALLY nailing it) is worth the squeeze (the months of sweat and failure leading up to it), and some people want to get the prize and peg the needle without the heartache.
I've recently bought an E mountainbike. And I mostly ride on low support or none. But on those heavy commutes where I carry a lot of stuff it's a handy feature
@@matthiasfloren2610 mostly no support to low.... interesting
I had a friend of mine who bought an E-mtb and my initial reaction was 'lol what are you...lazy?' but he gave me a very good argument which is that with an E-mtb, it takes him less effort to do one lap of a trail, which in return meant he did that trail more than one time.
Basically, the trail itself might be easier, but because it's easier you end up riding longer. Instead of doing just one lap, he would do 2 or 3 so in the end he still burned a good amount of calories and had a decent workout, and he spent more time riding. And my mentality changed a lot too as soon as I tried one. The trails I did for when I rented one were much easier, so I just did it several times instead of being out of breath and my legs being tired after just one round. The only problem of course is that e mtb's are just really expensive if you're looking for a good full suspension bike
Great vid, tells it like it is for good and bad. Just got my first E-MTB and I'm already towing my "acoustic" mates up hills.
I’ve got both but the Amish bike hasn’t been ridden for months.
I bought my first e bike this year for one reason,my health!
At 55 i just couldnt climb anymore without coughing my guts up,my e bike literally changed my life,im enjoying it again!
I nearly gave up something i love,but for me,an e bike is a game changer!
My next bike will not be an e-bike because ... they are too expensive
Likewise
Overpriced
Cheater ? I'm having fun and I don't care if someone saying to me cheater lol
It cant be cheating unless you compete, thats what i usually say to people.
Its not cheating. Its just riding a moped in the Forest
@@aw244 yes a moped that doesent move an inch unless its pedelled.
@@MrMarcusNilsson Yes exactly
@@aw244 call it what you want, call it a dinosaur buttfking a chimpanzee playing a violin. I'll call it lapping..
Con: e-bikes aren’t allowed on a lot of trails, at least not in the US. I hope that changes because my next mountain bike will be electric if the access is there. I’m not getting any younger here and the hills are getting tougher.
Please research the battery life and battery recycling for EMTBs. Thanks!
0:34 damn that is super smooth
My friend group that I normally ride with have all gotten Ebikes, and I'm the only one on analog. That shit sucks some times.
Last year we went to several enduro races, and having to follow them was hard.
Over the last 6 yrs I’ve had 2 wheel driven electric bikes , I’m on beta blockers cos of 2 heart attacks 7 yrs ago , my max heart beat is 120 , bpm so it really helps me with hills , even if slight , however have a normal hardtail at the min , my friend has a electric mid drive , he has a bad hip, he’s in his late 6os and doesn’t want to give up riding ,,, Cheats are only cheats on Strava , if they take quick times or king of the moulin the non ebike section of strava , cheers shane
Big con in my area is that e-bikes aren’t allowed on most of our trails.
Can't wait for more light ebikes, but I would definitely consider it. They're good in so many ways. But then again, I saw that little full-sus jump bike on GmbH tech the other day and that's my n+1 obsession for this week. Better to put the scree away and go ride.
IV just sold my last manual bike.. had e bikes for a few years and just upgraded to a newer lighter version. I simply think they are more fun and you can choose to so do more descents even if you are lacking the energy.
They're 100% more fun to be honest. A normal bike is just tedious for me now
Rationalization is the coin of the realm for the lazy.
YES!
the only reason for me to get an ebike would be a serious medical problem like rheuma because that could be the end else. when i'm getting older i will adapt my style of riding to my abilities, no need for an ebika.
Can pretty much ride my Kenevo SL like a normal bike without using the motor! Great bit of kit! It doesn’t really look like an ebike either!
I ride both. Definitely pros and cons to both. Like Neil said, ebikes aren't as flickable and maneuverable compared to analog. But on an ebike, you can go further. When it comes to power, 500watts is enough to handle most climbs, your drive train choice makes more of a difference. Think of it as quality vs quantity.
Biggest issue is the cost. Rather take the better spec, save more money for better kit and have money left over, than get worse specced e-bike. If money was no object, then of course, top spec e-bike would be awesome.
My mates all chip their bikes to remove the speed limit and they think it's a no brainer too. As I don't ride an Ebike, I think it's only more 'downhill'. To the point that they need it to have fun. I don't like that development.... however I'm still a little bit jealous. When I'm flat out trying to keep up, they still have plenty of energy to play around and chat and all that stuff.
Like he said though, you can push it to limits normal bikes can't go on uphill too. No way a regular bike climbs the wall or anything close to it.
We don't have such hills here.
@@OverMotoren ah man. Sounds like a bmx haven
Idk man, essentially being able to use my enduro which is basically a downhill on some local trails would be pretty awesome with a mini motor.. haha I say that because often I just want to hit the downhill but some trails with some gnarly downhill make you do some heavy ascending to get there. So take my XC bike which obviously doesn’t allow for the same downhill experience or use an E bike rated for downhill… anyways I’ve never been on an E bike but it def appeals to me for those situations I mentioned. That is of course my perception of what an E bike would provide..
Ebikes are great fun, I have the Levo SL and for me it’s a perfect balance on normal bike and with added assistance, I can ride for longer, go further, climb higher, the descents are as much if not more fun than my acoustic, and the best bit is I can do it day after day, total game changer for me specially having arthritis in my knees and being the wrong side of 50
Have you tried the Orbea Rise? It's really good. I think it's better than the SL.
@@regiezero I originally wanted the orbea rise but couldn’t find one in stock anywhere
Considerimg an emb for an all purpose commuter/trail bike. I live in kansas, so not really a lot of opportunity for downhill riding
Howabout no.
good video i can't Wait for another🤘
More coming your way! 👀
I love my Whyte e180 it's taken me places I wouldn't normally of gone and a lot of great long day rides. I've even given a hater a go n said have you tried them once he did it turned his opinion. I do go through break pads for fun though I use mine for rides n commuting.
I'd get one so I could go farther and explore more, kinds like and enduro moto but much quieter.
the SL range would be my choice for sure, i don't want full assistance i just want a bit of help for my 14 mile bike ride home after standing on my feet for 85% of the day, know what i mean, those hills that are normally easy become harder after standing up all day at work, so yeah I don't want a super fast ebike I just want a little assistance for the way home
SL e bikes cost way more money.
Acoustic bike? Oh my dayz...🤦
Just wish I could afford one. Looks like
I’m stuck with regular pedal power for a good while 😔
The answer to all life questions should be: just buy an e-bike!!!!
A woman on a dating app, after finding out I ride an ebike, said
"I will never ride with you."
Then unmatched me 😂
Later I talked to a guy that dated her, dodged a bullet 😅
most defenetly
how can you add a baby/todler/child seat on a carbon frame?
For me, once I got my ebike I can never go back.
I see so many ebikes out on the trails nowadays its crazy. So many people with money out there. I am considering an ebike in a couple years when I don't enjoy the feeling of clearing a climb under my own power.
Most are bought using interest free finance these days as there are some good deals out there.
@@ChrisG1967 I understand that's an option for some but I believe if you can't pay for one straight up then you can't afford it. Even if its interest free there's a chance you may not be able to make a payment and that can ruin your future credit. Not the best route for everyone.
as a comparable there's dirt bikes, same price as a premium e-bike and even more thrills
More light weight emtb’s and hardtail versions, I have a Merida big trail 600 I’m sure it would be more fun with even the most minimal assist climbing I’m not into massive rides just like sessioning trails I like when I find them.
The Big Con-
Is the fact more than 1/2 the trails around don’t allow them.
You can ride e-bikes on all MTB trails in UK
@@quitemountainous2528 Not for long. :)
Up is the new Down. ...Love my E-mtb!
biggest con is in my opinion ... you are fucking with the enviroment big time with all the batterys and electronics.
aaaaand i see people in the woods everywhere, people who would not be there without an ebike, so theres a lot more traffic, wich stresses the wildlife even more.
I have been just thinking of buying one when i got a bit older, problem for me is most of the mates i ride with have either brought a ebike or are planning on buying one . Though situation for me. They are becoming so popular.
that green bike is soo clean and slick ❤️
Watching this
Realized how much the marketing changed lol
It use to be market to those with medical or physical issues. Big surprise everybody is a target now.
No body will ever buy an ebike to get fit.
It's all about the easiest way possible.
Use an ebike to keep up with guys on normal bikes, will put you back in the same losing place if everybody in that group goes E.
Leave em to those who really need it to get out(cardio issues physical issues)
You young and healthy, go get your fitness and skills up .
No I don't hate E bikes, I have compromised knee that is doing ok for now. Another 10 years if not sooner, I will be needing to ride a E
At 3:17 Neil mentions a video he made at EMBN about the versitility of an E-MBT.. I can't find that video no matter how I search for it. Does anyone know the title of that video so I can look it up?
I'd like to know as well
I've scanned their embn page and I think this may be the video that he's referring to:
ruclips.net/video/fVDJ55Vhbn0/видео.htmlsi=w5XMV2_fhjeu4BJu
Haven't looked further in time though.
@@Veire Wow, thank you! That was fast!
Nothing against eMTBs (They're inevitable as you get older; I'm waiting until the decision is forced on me by my aging body), but I heard a term the other day for 'acoustic' or 'analogue' bikes)which I love: MUSCLE BIKES! Now we're talking!
I've been mtbing so long that i remember when people said oval chainrings aka biopace were cheating and hated on and seatposts and full suspension bikes were looked down on or were thought to be a waste of money and now they are an industry standard. Every single improvement to mtbing has had its haters and whiners. Ps
I use all of these once hated tools of our craft, and life is good.😅😊
Cheater? It's another sport on the same tracks. It's like ski's and snowboards.
There's no law that says you need to power on the bike. Especially the new lights. But if I want a work out I ride my 22KG EMTB with Peddle Assist on 0! I guarantee your legs will be begging for mersy the next day.
Yes also what I'm thinking! If I wan't some extra training, I turn the damn the motor off.
would a 10 speed drivetrain, and a thicker chain, make more sense, on a MTB?
At the moment I'm trying to recover from long covid and my next step is to buy a good budget full Sus electric bike, such as the yt decoy base or the vitus esommet vr. If anyone has a suggestion for a good review page or just a good ebike for around 3700 ish
@@heinzbeanzz7267
Cuckooo
@@heinzbeanzz7267 you mong im shadow banned for truth
Censored by you tube !
@@whollyspokes3645 kekw if RUclips bans you I don't think you are in the right
@@heinzbeanzz7267
Yes You Tube censors Virologists and doctors
What can I do if my brakes squeak when they're cold, but when they heat up they gain a lot of braking power and the squeaking stops?
that's normal.... synthetic pads?
@@ig7567 I have resin pads
@@samdanin4125 should be normal then
This man is DIRTY on the trails at the beginning of the video. How do you even get to that point and do you need a special type of bike and tires or just any mountain bike you can do that?
Never run out of battery on an acoustic bike? I get exhausted and run out of battery all the time lol with an e bike i can at least blame the bike
When all Ur mates riding E-Bikes so get an E-Bike. Or Just get both so U can Ride analog alone and E-Bike With Friends.
Great points both positive and negative Neil.
Great education Neil
Here's a silly question does an ebike make you quicker on your enduro MTB ,could Neil do a month on the Ebike then see if he's improved his times on the unduro trail bike ??/
One word :"depreciation" on these puts me off.
Yes going to be an ebike my next. But which one? Can you make a comparison with the 2022 model Levo SL and Turbo Levo ? Is it better to have full power ebike or lightweight less power ebike? Thank you for these episodes 👌🏻💯
Full power IMO.
Just got an Intense Tazor S.
170/155 suspension Ohlins coil in rear.
Magura brakes. It jumps great and slashes the downhills. I ride in ECO mode and it goes 45 miles on one charge
Interesting to see what the other light weight ebikes will be
Recent funny situation , climbing up a steep incline next to some stairs on a hiking / bike path ,
One of the O.A.P.s walking down the steps , OH !!! a " Real " Bicycle !! , yes the majority in my Area
are on E-Bikes , but I am mainly into keeping Fit as .ucking possible on my analogue bikes ;)
Yes it would be nice but if I had £3k spare I'd use on something more important. Like my family
I think that would be too cheap for a trail e-bike
Whatever floats your boat - no kids and 2 e-bikes😄
@@quitemountainous2528 I am happy with my hardtail. I don't have trails where I live so a ebike is not important
Good value and quality
Is there an emtb with the battery mounted in a small backpack? To save weight on the bike?
Wish the sl would catch up to orbea rise with power and range
i was very hesitant on buying an e bike but i knew in my riding crew i was the slowest at climbing hills. they kept encouraging me to consider an e bike as an option in the future. the one i really liked was being discontinued so to speak, i like the 29 but the new 2022 version is now a mullet setup to which i hate. so after almost a year of searching i found one bike store with a med and a large in stock. so i drove the 7.5 hours there and back and bought it very impulsively. first time out on it was great but i was not ready for it and very painful after wards as i did no warm ups. second run was with the crew and with proper warm up and power management it was incredible especially climbing. i love my turbo levo 29 now and like Neil said i can climb hills faster and can get more runs in per day then with a regular mtb. but don't get me wrong i still have my rigid, my hardtail, and full sus bikes along with the new full sus e bike. i still use all of them.
Neil, what’s the park your riding at the beginning ?
Yes, Trek Fuel EXe
Well that was one of the best pro's and con's between the two I've seen so far. I've been thinking about an ebike although I've not ridden one yet. My conclusion is its an even more expensive way to enjoying mtb riding. Chewing through parts and battery life is my biggest issue. My cordless drill destroys a battery within a year so how long would you get out of one before needing to buy a new one.
Ha, I did actually rent one yesterday for the first time in my life but a lap quickly became meaningless. A lot of fun tbh to jump upwards and crazy to lean into upwards berms but it really isn't mountain biking. That said the work out is probably more balanced and healthier? It's so hard on the bike which bottomed out a few times so I can see how maintenance becomes an issue soon. On turbo the battery is ok (2h) but without the motor on it was an awful ride. I will rent again for fun but my next bike will be yet another hardtail. What else 😃
Well explained 🎉
9:44 what is that trick called and how do you do that without slamming the brakes?
At the moment all my friends ride e-bikes and I’m the only one with analogue bike. I asked them one day if they would go back to normal mtb and all said no chance. A lot of my friends kept their normal analogue mtb but only for uplift days.
So now I’m kinda forced to get an e-mtb because I’m slowing them on climbs ad quite often they tow me uphill 👍🏻
No, definitely not... Unless I pick up a cargo/commuter bike where adding a Motor would have a practical use. I realise that manufacturers want to sell more premium products, Canyon just released a new line of €10,000+ eMTB's so they are great for sales and profits not to mention advertising revenues for the various magazines/RUclips channels. No one "needs" a motor on a bicycle in order to go mountain biking, just pedal and enjoy off road cycling!
Really considering and ebike, had a go on my mates and wow.... I suffer with my knee at times due to work, and I also suffer with a condition called fat....
It's cost for me, its alot, plus if the motor packs up or so out of warranty..... I'm just convincing myself to just get fitter...
I'm not an ebiker. Too expensive. Ebikes are great for people who are less fit to be able to keep up with fitter riders. However I don't know an ebiker who seriously tells me that get a workout when they ride even on eco.
You need to do bigger rides then Neil to feel achy in the morning
do you think they are harder to ride on technical singletrack
Most of the trails where I live ban e bikes.