Why the Marvel Universe 4 inch line ended. Marvel Legends history examined!
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2021
- Scot Toy Guru Neitlich from Spector Creative examines the ever changing nature of the Marvel toys at retail. Why is it the 4" line "(Marvel Universe) ended and why 6" (Marvel Legends) came back.
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I love the 4" Marvel figures. Still finishing up my collection and wish they would release new ones.
I too love the 4" figures.
You are not alone
I’m with you
Now as we all know most of the villains are bigger in. Movies then they are on the 4inch witch I have a beast and dark beast figure in 6inch cause it makes it better and it looking cooler
4 inch figure life matters
I miss the 4 inch, only because they were affordable for a 30 year old dad, who still wanted figure, but had to downgrade his collection, do he could buy his kids the better ones. I miss Marvel Universe.
Alas this scale just doesn't give the price value for kids anymore
The 4 inch marvel universe figures were amazing. The bright packaging with the nice art on it with quality figures and possible variants… can’t be topped.
Now to see if kids can get into it
I wish they would start them again as 4" is my favorite scale.
Well there is the 3 3/4 new Marvel line
They should just let jazwares make the 4 inch ones, loll
@@spectorcreative1872 there is but it's not as articulated as I like.
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 I agree, the Fortnight figures are awesome!
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 jazwares are amazing with the 4 inch scale fortnite and halo figures are love
What do you mean by “toy biz didn’t pay its tooling bill?” I’d like to know more about that.
Yes, seconded, you can't just let that sit there
What do I mean by that? I mean that they never paid their tooling bill.
@@spectorcreative1872 then who was phone?
they just refused to pay or did they send the bill to vladimir putin?
@@spectorcreative1872 I thought that Toybiz owned the manufacturing etc so they essentially didn't pay themselves? I know there is crazy confusion since they broke off and became a toy manufacturer and then the other toybiz company was bought by marvel?
Bankruptcy?
For the record, I'd much rather have swappable hands than hinged fingers. A sculpted fist never looked good opened up, and good luck getting a figure with loose hands to hold anything.
Yeah hinged hands are a bit odd.
Hinged hands look awful. They always end up looking too big. That was a big reason I didn't collect Marvel Legends when toybiz produced them. The articulation points made the feet look too big, limbs look lanky etc.
@@darkwoods1954 Yeah, there was almost too much articulation. Like the figures look "cut up" and it was easy to make an arm or leg look funky if you twisted a swivel joint too far.
The 4" Thing in blue speedo is one of the absolute BEST Thing figures ever made, also surpassing many of it's 6" big brothers.
I may need to check it out! I do love a good Grimm
The Real Issue with 6inch figures is that I need more space to display them 😅
That be true
I am a huge 4 inch action figure fan. That is most of my collection. First time commenting! I love this channel! Finally people who speak my language!
Wait, so you are huge, yet you are 4 inches tall?
@@spectorcreative1872 😅😅
Scott, are you trying to put off your newer viewers? 🙃 @henry The Ninja, welcome to the madness of toy collecting. As the Cheshire Cat said according to Lewis Carroll, "we're all mad here."
4 inch is my preferred scale of action figure. From Star Wars to GI Joe, to Secret Wars to Super Powers, it's what I grew up on. I just can't get engrossed by any 6 inch line. I had a few of the Toy Biz Marvel Legends, but bleh...just not for me. It's all cyclical anyways. Mego's were 8 inch until they were overtaken by Star Wars, and now Marvel Legends have sized it up again. Eventually plastic will become so expensive some toy company will see the benefit in making smaller scale figures.
Plus, it's not like there aren't lots of 4 inch options if you know where to look. Not only is there mainstays like Star Wars Vintage and the Marvel Retro line, there are tons of smaller, more indie lines like Joy Toy, Boss Fight Studios, and VallaToys.
I like 6” except for Star Wars
@@spectorcreative1872 I agree!👍
3.75" Forever.
This was the greatest time for G.I. Joe fans. Long live 4 inch figures ✊🏻 😆
GI Joe was an incredible line
One day, one of us will work at Hasbro and somehow get 4" back out there
Until all are one
@@spectorcreative1872 you gotta be around 43.... That was funny.
I'd like a video on what the Toybiz not paying their tooling bills was all about.
Shananagins
I find that abandoning their 3&3/4 inch line Marvel line was a huge mistake on the part of Hasbro, especially w/the rise of popularity in the MCU.
Marvel Superheroes has no vehicles, huh? What about the Quinjet? The Hulkbuster? Captain America's motircycle? The Milano? Also, I can think of half a dozen playsets from the Avengers movies alone, nevermind that Hasbro could've easily taken a page from Kenner & mini-rigged their way w/made up "just slightly off-camera" accessories to retail. But they didn't!
Perhaps they should've just cancelled the comic book character in 3 & 3/4 inches & instead come out w/characters from the movies. W/modern, computer sculpting, photo-real paint aps & super-articulated figures thanks to modern engineering & design, how awesome would it be if we had a Marvel Cinenatic Universe line similar to that of Star Wars The Vintage Collection? Heck - at the sane scale, they could interact flawlessly.
I sold my 3 inch marvel figures. I got fed up with that line
And price value just didn’t make it worth it
@@spectorcreative1872 - Seems to be very worthy for collectors of the Vintage Collection & its current success for Hasbro..
@@spectorcreative1872 these uploads are like marketing courses
Great video, Scott! Thanks for sharing the info!
4" marvel figures ended because they didnt had playsets and vehicles, but 6" dont have them either
I think a big part of this is that the market got diluted by other scales, like the 12" semiarticulated titan heroes, the superhero squad and many other lines that took a bit of the kids market, while the 6" black series seemed specifically made to adult collectors
And kids buy it all in bigger numbers
4:30 - how did Toybiz afford to do those figures,? Well, the answer seems pretty clear: _they didn’t._ As you mentioned, they didn’t pay their tooling bill. And then they went out of business. Seems like those two factors probably played a big part of it all.
I think the toolers were paid on the back end, after sales.
@@aaronburrell3729 that’s a sweet deal.
@@tawdryhepburn4686 if they did it for a percentage of the sales, it sure is.
And gives a very false perspective to fans
@@spectorcreative1872 what’s the false perspective fand get fed? Don’t understand what you’re saying. Could you clarify?
Man i miss this line. I have 2 daughters that used to rummage through my graphic novels a lot, so what I started doing was buying them the 4” line so they would get familiar with the characters I loved. Ended on a bad note though. I think I had purchased over 100 different characters for my girls and they loved them all and knew the names of each one. My now ex (their mom) gave away the 100+ characters out of spite for me. She didnt even care that it hurt the kids, just that it hurt my feelings to have that nerd connection with my kids. Anyway great video ❤
Great video, as usual! I'd love to hear/see more about Marvel toys or Marvel Legends.
More Marvel videos to come I promise
Another killer video! This is beauty
Hey!! You and Spector should do a live stream on YT talking about MOTU and restoring figures!!
@@majingunplero8472 keep your eyes peeled in the weeks to come
Glad you enjoyed! And help sharing online is most appreciated!
@@spectorcreative1872 oh it has been shared my good sir
ToyBiz's Marvel Legends looked like a Ferrari at comic stores back them. I'm a DC fan and I was so jealous about that. Love DCUC but no base, less articulation, no accessories, not a comic... Even the package look cheap.
Nowdays, legends look cheap, plastic and painting, but I like the face scan of the actors.
I think Black Series is the best Hasbro line but sadly, awful SW movies damage the value of the property.
They do
The Red Skull and Hydra soldiers (Capt. America The First Avenger toy line) were very cool! The Hydra soldiers were excellent army builders. The Crossbones figure was so awesome! I like the accessories that came with it.
Excellent point! Good accessories are so hard to come by
@@spectorcreative1872, agreed!
I barely remembered that 4 inch line. I only recalled the larger size figures.
5th panel. That is new information to me. Thanks, Professor Neitlich.
I aim to inform!
My favorite line and still collecting, just bought Kraven a couple of days ago. Awesome toys with so many jewels.
The selection was quite intense
I used to love the Marvel Universe line, everything were great for me, price, cardbord, designs
Good time’s it was
Patiently waiting for my Haslab Sentinel 👏😁 Great video Toy Guru
Oh me too! Any idea when it is coming beyond "fall"?
4:36 One of the methods Hasbro learned to utilize was to increase the price of the figures every year while lowering the quality of plastics and paint applications
Hasbro isn't making more money, it is costing more each year to make these
Thank you for doing this one! I actually had a discussion with a very frustrated (and mildly jealous) friend of mine who doesn't collect the 6" Black Series recently, and I pointed that very fact out to him about the vehicles. Some things worth discussing though:
- The 4" line actually started at the end of Hasbro's first attempt at Legends. I say that because I "fondly" remember arguing with people who were in denial about the 6" line dying, and I distinctly remember buying figures from the second (or third?) wave one day at the same time I was picking up a complete set of DCUC wave 6 figures at Target. The quality of those earlier ones was definitely cheap, along with some horribly bad sculpts (
- Wolverine: Origins/Iron-Man 2/Captain America/Thor was definitely the "Golden Age" of the 4" line. The quality between them and universe line at the start was night and day, and they had more articulation. I honestly believe that had the guidelines on plastics not changed, they would have kept it at that scale.
- When citing the vehicle dilemma, you forgot to cite the massive black mark on the line that was the SHIELD Heli-Carrier fiasco. I remember the salt on that SDCC version being pretty intense!
I do recall the SDCC Heli-Carrier but I don't know what the fan issue was with that. Leave details in another comment (not a reply). I'd love to know so I can do a video on it!
@@spectorcreative1872 What made the SDCC unique from its mass-market counterpart was that it a full 12" longer, resulting in a playset that actually looked like a Helicarrier. You could accomplish the same thing by buying two standard Helicarriers and scrapping one for parts; but if I remember, that's where part of the salt was coming from, as the carrier was clearly designed at the length that the exclusive was sold as.
@@PreventerMkII And...you left it as a reply.
"Hey, Vintage Series Stormtrooper Disguise Luke, aren't you a little short for the Marvel universe?"
"Wha-? Oh, the form factor!"
hah hahahaha
I very much miss marvel universe figures. As a kid I always bought toys in the smaller scale, from the jakks pacific dbz toys, sonic, Star Wars the clone wars, etc & so I missed out on more 6in figures at that time.
Me too
I'm not gonna lie , I love the 6" line but I'm already deeply invested into the 4"line
In addition to the Retro series, there were also some done for Marvel Vs. Capcom Infinite and other video games. There’s also the gimmicky 5 inch stuff done mostly for the movies.
I was under the impression that when Dwight took over management of the 4 inch line, he torpedoed it in favor of his preferred 6 inch scale, and then David Vonner was out of a job.
I decided to collect the 4” figures a few yrs ago mainly because I wanted a Galactus and Sentinel that was close to scale..And 4” is really fun to make customs for
And now we are getting a Sentinel in 6" scale! Crazy times
I really like the new Marvel Legends 3.75 line. A little pricey for the limited articulation but nice. The DC Spin Master stuff is better yet with more articulation and a cheaper price tag.
Fun it is for sure
I liked the figures a lot, but my understanding was that the sales weren’t there and they were too expensive to make. Note that Hasbro cut down the articulation for all their 3 3/4” figures to terrible levels.
And pretty much 3 3/4 (4") wind up costing the same as a 6" and 6" gives so much more value to the consumer
@@spectorcreative1872 thanks for your perspective.... I've always wondered why most 3 and 3/4 and 4-in lines have died off. I personally own about 1100 figures in this scale and I have to say thanks to you and infinite heroes is what got me. Believe it or not my DC 4-in figures are the majority of what I have. A lot of customs and of course Star Wars and marvel. So other than the knowledge I just want to personally thank someone who is involved in letting me reconnect with my childhood and share that with my children. 👍
appreciate the hidden gems of details..I was in college when I collected ML but I remember Toybiz started w/ LOTR a year earlier, I think that kickstarted Toybiz's 6 in line...Hasbro was bad in its 1st 6-7 yrs, except their BAFS, glad there was DCUC & Motuc then.
I switched back and forth too
I wish they were still around. The cost of 6"ers is getting ridiculous.
Then again, the cost of ALL figures in general....
And that is just it. 6" gives more price value
6" is evil. I lose room in my room for my displays. I miss the old days of 4.5" Playmates. Did you ever do a video on the rise and fall of Playmates Star Trek toys? Probably did and I probably saw it but I don't remember.
That's why I love MOTU Origins over MOTU Classics.
Also just collecting old playmates turtles.
@@rmn0019 I have the four turtles Splinter and bought an old Slash and have my original April.
If 6" is evil, what does that make the new 7" MOTU and DC figs?
@@spectorcreative1872 A nightmare. And I have a Kitana from Mortal Kombat and a repainted Diamond Select TOS Doctor Bashir. I had to get Kitana for my collection.
Very informative. Two questions:First. In your opinion who is the target market for the marvel 3.75 retro legends line? They seem to be directed more towards the people who buy Super 7 figures or Mezco 5 Point. Second, again, in your opinion what seems to be Spin Master’s strategy re the DC licence? It seems that they are going straight for the “variant” style of figure similar to had used
For the new marvel it is kids 80%. For spin master the reason they are doing so many bat variants is because that is what sells, again, to kids
I was collecting nearly all the 5 inch Marvel Toy Biz figures during the 90s, I gave up collecting Marvel figures when they moved to 6 inch, it was like starting a new collection from scratch.
Yeah they lost a lot of customers as scales changed
The Retro line of Marvel Legends figures looks sharp.
And I love the packaging especially.
Just waiting on Firestar now. Big fan of Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends.
Ooh, Firestar, she needs one, maybe in a two pack with white Iceman instead of the clear blue
Super posable 4 inch rules all! May be not for marvel or dc, but for everything else :)
Its the only way I take my SW
The 4 inch figures had way more potential. And just imagine if they came out with playsets and more vehicles. I have several ideas. The retro line sucked. With the release of the 4 inch Guardians of Galaxy vol 3 figures, I hope they keep making 4 inch figures.
I'm going back to collecting the MU line again. 😅
the iron man 2, thor and captain america had a 6 inch line, a small one but they had
True. Vey small
This was a great line
That it was
Marvel legends toy biz was the greatest toy line every created
If they would’ve done the 4 inch like they do to the 6 inch it would still be around I think that was another problem it was 4 inches rather than 3.75 😅. Thanks I really enjoy this
So glad minimates have gone on as long as they have. So much easier for toy photography. The character diversity is just as good as legends, they're cheaper(10 bucks for 2 figs), they take up less space by far. Some people don't like the block aesthetic, but once you have them in hand you understand why they've gone on as long as they have
Oh Mini mates! I should so do a video just on them
I love 4 inch Marvel figures. They need to bring back the 4 or 3.75 inch line for the MCU!!!!!!!! Come on Hasbro, give us theae figures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All these starts and stops is why, for the most part, I never collected these figures. The only complete set I bought was the Wal*Mart Exclusive 8"(?) "Avengers" figures, even though it didn't include Black Widow. They're still sealed and I'm debating whether or not to sell them.
The only figure I focus my purchasing on is Captain America and I don't even buy every figure of him.
Yeah that does make it a bit harder to hang in for the long run
I would like to know where you stand with the MOTU original mini comics being the first appearances of those characters instead of in heman's case a dc comic where he fights Superman. Would you say the first appearance of heman in comics was his pack in mini comic or would you say it was the issue where he fights Superman? Does cgc grade mini comics and if the answer is no would that be why the mini comic isnt the first appearance? If you had the mini comic would it require also having the figure, card, and bubble to be complete? Is the grading company defining the market rather than following the market?
The mini comics came first, so that is He-Man's first appearance 100%. Size matters not
Wait, Marvel Universe did make a Fantastic 4 pack, even an xmen pack, even a Spider-Man and his amazing friends back.
Point taken
8:40 mark - Actually there was a 4pack of the Fantastic Four - one was the original and the other was future foundation. I believe I have both. If not have the original. They were very hard to find,
Marvel Universe 3.75 and Wolverine Origins (3.75 line) both predate the Iron Man 2 and Thor lines as Marvel Universe and Wolverine both came out in 2009 and Iron Man 2 line was 2010 and Thor 2011
Point well taken!
i only collect 3.75 inch figures, so i collected the first phase of marvel movies in that scale plus all the other marvel figures that size, but in Gotg, and Age of Ultron the figures were teeny weeny 1.5 inches tall to fit in the vehicles and Avengers tower playset . then for Avengers 3, the figures were beefed up to 9 inches tall
Yeah those 4" were not quite right
I’d be interested in knowing why the Marvel Legends 3.75’ line *restarted*, and if there is so much cost reduction with 5POA that makes it viable again.
To fill the plano gram space
New series? Or just a one off?
Looks like many
Spot on Spector..over here in my cutthroat country the new 4 inch Hasbro offerings are sold at 30 bucks a piece..while 6 inch is btw 40 to 50 pricepoint. I rather spend on the latter.😎
Nice
I just can't collect 6-7 inch figures. 3.75-4" is just right for me.
There was a 6 inch line for Ironman 2 and for the first Captain America film
I honestly much rather them bring back marvel universe other than the other 3.75 in figures we have now
That Galactus would be perfect sizing to go with the original Secret Wars line!
Sweet
I bought that Galactus/Surfer pack from Toys R' Us for like $40 or $60. Kept it in storage with family during some life craziness. By the time I got it out it had been soaking in a plastic tote bin for a few years. Packaging disintegrated, electronics nonfunctional. Replacing it would cost over $600. Yeah, that sucked.
Oh man. I’ve had similar but it still stinks
@@spectorcreative1872 Literally. It smells like damp basement. Ah well silver lining is that Haslab may give us a decent Galactus upgrade.
Thanks for the shout out!
I always wondered why the 4" line vanished. Is that why DC Infinite Heroes died, too? Or is that another video?
Another video that I am editing as we speak!
I didnt really collect the marvel 4 inch figures but I did heavily collect the DC INFINITE HEROES line could you talk about them? They were coming out while you were at Mattel and the character selection was great ( almost as good as dc classics)
Funny you should bring that up as I am working on a video on that line right now!
@@spectorcreative1872 awesome!
Hey Scott! I want to submit and idea to Jakks Pacific but I dont know where to go or who to call. You think you can tell me how exactly I can get my idea through?
Ask them for Inventor Relations or try Tinker Tina, a service that helps submit concepts to toy companies
@@spectorcreative1872 thx
It shows some Sims character when I search it up
@@spectorcreative1872 I specifically want to get in contact with Jakks Pacific , Premium DNA Toys , and Hasbro
Great video, but did I miss why Hasbro got into the 4 inch scale? I don’t think I picked up on it in the video? Could we say it was a cost cutting measure? I know you mentioned that traditionally in the industry, 4 inch is designed for vehicles, but why exactly did Hasbro get into it?
They got into it to make vehicles and playsets which never happened
@@spectorcreative1872 , I was speculating that maybe it had to do with the global economic crisis at that time. Thank you!
Now Hasbro treat us 3.75/ 4 inch collectors like step children.
With red hair
I can claim 73 Avengers so far! LOL Back in 1994 I would have loved 3.75 because they would have been compatible with Star Wars and Joe's. But, as with other scales, by the time the 3.75 came out I already had such a huge collection in 6 inch I just couldn't switch.
That be a lot of mighty heroes says I
I do cheat a little. There are a few customs, and a few fudges in there. And I will be buying Sersi to make 74. I'm also doing a 'Children of the Avengers' on my Future Marvel Earth 818, also some fudging and kitbashing. Here's my Avengers of 616:
Thor
Iron Man
Hulk
Giant Man (Pym)
Ant Man (Pym)
Goliath
Yellowjacket
Wasp (Janet Van Dyne)
Wasp (Hope Van Dyne)
Ant Man (Lang)
Giant Man (Lang)
Captain America
Hawkeye
Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch
Black Panther
Hercules
Black Widow
Black Knight
Vision
Mantis
Wonder Man
War Machine
Ms. Marvel
Captain Marvel (Carol)
Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell)
Hellcat
Beast
Falcon
Tigra
She Hulk
Sub-Mariner
Mockingbird
Luke Cage
Jewel
Rescue
Moon Knight
U.S.Agent
Winter Soldier
Spider-Man
Spider Woman
Arachne
Sandman
Machine Man
Rage
Darkhawk
Firestar
Wolverine
Sentry
Ares
Iron Fist
Dr. Strange
Ronin
Thunderstrike
Jocasta
Monica Rambeau/Photon
Mr. Fantastic
Invisible Woman
Thing
Human Torch (Johnny Storm)
Customs:
Swordsman
Firebird
D-Man
Quasar (hopefully replaced soon)
Stingray
Crystal
Silverclaw
Justice
Jack of Hearts
Fudges:
Moondragon (Bald Elektra from She Force, wearing white as Moondragon also was at the time)
Echo (TV Elektra with face mask. The 2 women are virtually identical with mask. And with similar skill set)
Original Human Torch Jim Hammond, older Torch, with flame on, looks the same.
Rick Jones (WW2 Bucky, but I have Bucky as Winter Soldier and Rick wore the uniform!)
There are other, newer members that I don't acknowledge like Kamala Khan and Riri Williams Iron Heart. They are in different groups. For Iron Heart, I will be using her as a grown up Morgan Stark on the future Earth, and using the Riri head to make a SHIELD Agent, just as I did with an Asian female head to make an Agent Melinda May. With Star Wars Black soon to be doing the Ming-Na Wen character. I have done Marvel to Marvel and Power Rangers to Marvel head swaps so I will have to see if that's possible.
I'm still collecting them marvel universe still need more i wish they made more tho like new ones for the xmen 😅
3.75 is a much more affordable alternative nobody wants to keep spending 20 to 22 dollars every time.
And exactly why toy companies are turning to this
How about looking at DC’s four inch attempt, Infinite Heroes?
Funny you mention that, I am working on that video now!
@@spectorcreative1872 excellent
Is it legal to rerelease a build-a-figure as a solo item? I thought that constituted retroactive false advertising? You mentioned something like that in a previous video.
Legal? These are private businesses.
@@aaronburrell3729 truth in advertising. And it’s not private, it’s publicly held. :p
@@tawdryhepburn4686 even publicly traded businesses are privately owned. It just means the government doesn’t own it. There is nothing “illegal” about re-releasing a build-a-figure as a solo item. How could that possibly be false advertising?
What you can't do is put out just one piece of a BAF with out the rest being obtainable at the same time. (i,e if we re-released Gentleman Ghost with Giangata's head we would have needed to release the rest of Giganta's parts)
Could you do a video on video games figures? Despite the popularity of video games themselves it seems that figure lines based on them never really have staying power. It is mostly collector companies and import companies doing them. Mass market companies don’t really go after them. Obviously the rating of the game would be a factor in the decision. But, do they not sell well? Is it considered niche product with a limited audience? Do the video games publishers just not want to license it out? Would like to hear your thoughts.
Will do! I've been meaning to do this for a while.
@@spectorcreative1872 Awesome. That would be great.
I didn’t get the Toybiz not paying their tooling bill part
Not being a compatible scale to my SW figs kept me away from the Marvel Universe line.
...cause I'm a nerd.
A very old nerd.
:p
Me too
I can't lie, man. I REALLY, REALLY like the way that action figure scale has 3 3/4ths, then 6inch, then 12inch. It annoys me to no end when another action figure line goes out of that scale.
I also like all the swappable hands nowadays too. The idea of "jointed fingers" all too often comes out breaking, not holding weapons, or looking like trash. (Probably cheaper too, to just make swappable hands, yes?)
Hey we should all like what we like!!
@@spectorcreative1872 Indeed, indeed.
Most of my Marvel Legends are Toy Biz ones. I do have a few of the 4 inch ones too though. Especially because I wanted (NEEDED) a Punisher to blend in with my GIJoes. A crossover I NEED Chuck Dixon to write. Sigh.
Oh, I also have a Death's Head! Yes....
Sigh indeed
They did have vehicles my guy. They had wolverine motorcycle during the X-Men movie comic series then they had the avengers quinjet which I had to get and of course one of my final destinations along with the Galactus the helicarrier. You could say the helicarrier could pose as a place at / vehicle. What it basically is LOL.
True, but slightly less iconic I suppose
There is a whole set of new “retro” 3.75” marvel figures. 13 figures in the first wave.
Yeah, but they're only 5 POA. No thank you.
Yup, slowly rolling out
@@TheBigBigSean More articulation would ruin the point.
@@Clay3613 - Maybe for you, but my entire collection is modernized 80's figures full of articulation.
The only way these would make sense to be 5 POA is if they had Secret Wars card backs. Otherwise, why would anybody pay over $10 a figure for 5 POA 3.75"? If they had a $5 price point, they might be more appealing.
@@TheBigBigSean The new 5 POA Marvel (or 7 POA in some cases) exist because retro carded people were buying Super 7's overpriced Reaction stuff. These people keep that stuff MOC because they just like the carded presentation and we'll probably see such collectors liquidate it in mass within 10 years.
Not sure why you said Marvel Universe never did Fantastic Four due to issues with Fox. Marvel U did Mr Fantastic (in blue and Future Foundation), The Thing in 3 versions (2 classic looks, and Future Foundation), Human Torch (flame on, flame off, and FF), and Invisible Girl/Woman (visible and invisible variant). They even did Herbie. It was X-Men characters that eventually suffered during the MU run because of Marvel not wanting Fox to succeed with their X-Men movies, and hoping they could get the X-Men rights back if Fox fumbled the ball. So they forbid Hasbro from churning out X-Men related characters (which would've been big sellers for MarvelU) and that really hurt the 4-inch line.
Also 3 versions of Dr Doom (Secret Wars, classic look, and white Future Foundation).
Yes they did get some in before the Fox edict was dropped which is why for about 5 years no FF in any scale
Well, Scott, since you asked...I'll repeat my suggestion for a video on Xevoz :)
Making sure it is in the list!
I'll always love my 1/18. While I do buy ML's, I have a 90's X-Men focus. As to BS, I'm filtering out all my non favorite sagas & characters.
A good way to think of it
I wish... I wish I could get my team the X-Tremers. Morph from the Animated Series, Mystique from the Movie, Nightcrawler, Thunderbird, Mimic from Exiles, Sabreclaw from MC2, Scarlet Witch, Rule 63 Cyclops, Emma Frost, Rogue, Firestar and my OC, a Captain America Repaint Captain Colorado (My OC). But three problems. First, not enough Money. Two they haven't made the characters (Not all anyway). Third I don't have enough room. But I am having some guy make Heroclix versions.
I imagine Morph from the Animated series with alt heads will be here sooner than later
I think Toy Biz's movie Hulk line was 3 3/4" scale (I still have the Eric Bana - Bruce Banner figure), and when Hasbro made The Incredible Hulk movie figures, they were also in that scale. The Edward Norton - Bruce Banner figure kind of sucked, so I put hit head on an Indiana Jones figure's body (the one with the white shirt). The first Iron Man movie figures was mostly 6" scale (I think a little on the shorter end because comparing their old figures with the newer ones, there's a big difference!), but Iron Monger was most likely, a 3 3/4" scale!
I stopped collecting the 3 3/4" scale movie figures (they were smaller than the 4" Marvel Universe line) when the 2012 Avengers movie line came out.I started comparing quality of movie Thor, movie Iron Man, movie Captain America, and movie Hulk with their movie Avengers versions and just quit collecting after the cheapness of the movie Avengers line! After that, I just focused on the 6" movie figures (and found it easy to buy all the 6" Walmart exclusives when I just simply walked into a Walmart and bought all the figures)! Hasbro Toy Shop (Hasbro's old retail website) had most of their 6" Iron Man 2 figures for sale at $7.98, so I bought those figures as well (except for Mark V, which I could only get a black and gold version). I was glad that their 6" scale movie Hulks got better and better (sculpting and proportions) with each Marvel movie!
Just to think, if Hasbro didn't drop the ball on their 2012 Avengers 3 3/4" movie figures, I wouldn't have gone into buying the 6" figures! I still have their Helicarrier and Quinjet, which I bought cheap from National Wholesale Liquidators back a few years ago, but they are in a separate shelf next to my G.I. Joes!
Oh yes, this was done so Hulk could be in "proper scale"
It's so hard to find a lot of those toy biz legends here in england. I much prefer 3.75 figures.
Kenner made them in 3.75 because of the oil shortage, the rest coming after is a happy coincidence.
Who doesn't like a firing bazooka...
yeah the aftermarket is crazy
Okay now you did it! How the heck did Toy Biz get around the most expensive part of toy production?
That seems like a very interesting story. I have never herd you state you worked with Toy Biz but obviously through the industry you know something. I think that would be a intresting topic for a video as you have never talked about anything like that previously.
Do you mean the tooling that they didn't pay for?
@@spectorcreative1872 Yes exactly. How did they manage to not pay for their tooling? Did they just put the bill in the trash and never pay it? Come on Mr. Nightlick don't leave us hanging ,you can just yadda yadda over a fact like that.
Toybiz who created the line did the whole mixing movie figures in comic waves, like movie daredevil and punisher. Don't know how they were received tho just remember people hated the movie daredevil figure.
Yup! Precedent!
Hey at least they have a chance to make the spider car and the thanos helicopter
Thank goodness!
I'm really enjoying the "Kenner" Marvel Legends line and I think it's VERY popular with BOTH kids and collectors and you MIGHT be totally proven wrong... I have nothing to do with the 6 inch over priced stuff...
Oh i do hope it takes off with kids!
@@spectorcreative1872 I think it is.. Btw I think you're very correct it's a "what if" line...
8:30 Bah, who needs Reed and his marry band of reprobates? There's a reason why everybody from DC's Planetary to the Venture Bros. had an evil version of the Mr. Sue Storm. That's because the man's a monster that regularly forces the Living Tribunal to intervene and fix his universe spanning mistakes. The MCU and by extension the toy line should be happy they had nothing to do with them. Too bad Dr. Doom wasn't included though.
I want a Living Tribunal
But the Fantastic Four were made. A couple of Torches and Things, as well as a couple of different 3 packs (including a Future Foundation version). Also 4 different Dr. Dooms I believe--1 in a Future Foundation 2 pack with Spider-Man. All that said, thanks for the video. Marvel Universe brought me back into collecting--its good seeing it get some attention. Dave Vonner and his team put out some real gems.
@@spectorcreative1872 I get to thinking the next Marvel Haslab will be Galactus and maybe down the road we'll get Eternity and the Tribunal among others.
Great video. So people prefer 6" over 4" - THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID - sorry couldn't resist
People have shit taste if they prefer inferior 6 inch figures because "DUR ITZ BIGGER!"
Oh dear
10:45 I put the marvel universe galactus with my legends it look cool it a lot bigger then the build a figure I know there the haslab one
8:31 this isn’t true in the slightest. The thing and the human torch were released in the VERY FIRST wave, the whole team (minus the human torch) was released in a multipack, mr fantastic, the human torch and the thing were released in the secret wars comic packs and Dr Doom and the silver surfer were also released various times through the line’s history.
I got ripped off on Ebay by these figures buying what I thought were Marvel Legends.
That happened with me on Jedi Luke from Ep 8
Iron Man 2 also have 6-in figures
I find the 4" Marvel figures to be poorly made. Skinny/poor proportions and gummy plastic, didn't feel good in the hands. The inconsistent scaling and articulation didn't help either. I mainly collect 3.75"/1:18 scale figures and I only had a few of MU figures, I mostly just use them for parts(mostly the head).
Most of mine have legs that quickly fall off
@@spectorcreative1872 right, I'm not surprised parents stopped buying MU figures for their kids.
I love the 4" Marvel Legends Retro line.!! Love the Retro Character Selection, the sculpting is good, (maybe the female faces need a little work..) ... if only Hasbro gave us 28 Points of articulation.!!
In the previous Marvel Universe line, ... the sculpting, I thought, was very poor. Many of the figures looked way too thin... Namor turned me off to the whole line...!! (IronMan ... and many of the others looked terrible to me, too.!!)
For me, the sculpting on the Retro line is much better... but ... 7 POA...!!???
Why can't Hasbro give us a Retro Collector's line... with great sculpting, great articulation (28 points) ...vehicles like the Fantastic-Car... the Baxter Building Headquarters of the FF, .... the Avengers Mansion... Xavier's School... and many other places and vehicles.????
Is it intentional that they don't give us a Line of Retro figures... with great sculpting ... and great articulation???
More articulation would drive the price way up!
You think the new hasbro marvel legends retro collection 3.75 figs, are better sculpted than marvel universe figures? Man what you smoking? you must have a visual impairment