It is not an improvement! I bought the Apollo Twin X Duo Gen 2 thinking that’s an upgrade… the only thing upgraded is the look of the buttons… a total disappointment!
The differences are very small. I only noticed a slight difference in the mic preamp test, but nothing beyond that. If you have the first generation, I’d recommend waiting for the third generation in 5-7 years. Nothing about your audio interface is limiting you from making hit songs
@@tearr245let’s say it’s completely all new level of recording from gen 1 trust me the audio interface is not what make your songs to not have millions of streams. The gen 1 is a beast
This is THE review I was waiting for, great comparison with the 1st gen Apollo X6 and I agree with your and others comments that the differences between gen 1 and gen 2 Apollo are definitely noticeable and greater than I anticipated, more air and depth, sounds amazing! As always, awesome track from you and Karra, I appreciate all of the production techniques that you share Reid!
Nice review. I came from an x6 and moved over to apogee symphony desktop. The quality of the gen2 sounds like it's getting closer to conversion I have with my apogee but imo apogee is still king in that department . Thanks for the review! I love the look of the new Apollo gen2.
Ok ive had some time to listen and compare it to my 1 gen X and yeah this thing sounds amazing. Ive been using this for about a week now and I think it's worth the upgrade you won't be disappointed.
I would say except the preamps, which to me on 1st gen they sound much better and natural, even though not as clean I feel they sit better in this mix example - the 2nd gen seems to excel in all the other areas. I also assume we're used to the sound of those 1st gen preamps since this interface is probably the most popular one after the Focusrite Scarlett range and also in many famous records.
Gen2 and latest Apogee have the exact same 9 series ESS converters. That's what most makers buy on the market and put in their interfaces... Placebo effect ;)
Wow this is more difference in quality than I was expecting, even just listening on my iPhone. Could only imagine how much more I’ll hear when I listen on my in ears later.
yeah it's interesting - gen 2 is slightly clearer with a more forward presence in the low end which helps the vocal come forward from the mix, but the mids had more depth in the gen 1 which helps the vocal sit in the mix. I can't decide which I prefer, both are great!
@@musiclover-r9m I FEEL THAT. i prefer the more open sound. the gen 1 sounds a little dark. i guess at the end of the day its bout what your desired outcome is for your mixes
14:00 Wish you’d do a video specifically outlining how to use digital mirroring as loopback. This is the first I’ve ever someone talk about it. I’m thinking it would be great for online co-writes.
@@ReidStefanMusic Digital Mirror works great in Ableton. BUT I don't think this is exactly true with OBS. OBS only reads input 1 and 2 of an apollo. You would still need some sort of virtual cables/OBS ASIO plugin on a PC or "loopback program" on Mac to route it to OBS. Unless I"m missing something. Do you do something different? ALSO, different apollo's have different inputs. I believe this won't work with a twin as it doesn't have digital outputs. X4 and above only.
Thanks for the 1st and 2nd Gen comparison. That was very helpful. I can easily hear the improvement in sound quality. Should mean it competes better with some of the other well regarded converters.
The upgrade is welcome if you are shopping for a prosumer interface. It is definitely not worth the upgrade if you have a first-gen. A mastering plugin can make up the difference. If you are curious about how a mastering-grade digital converter/interface should sound like, try BURL Audio.
A different and legit review. Audio examples are always welcome. The 2nd G sounds clearer, more foward and tighter on my android phone. Thanks for the effort.
it's more the analog warmth then mud that UA is trying to portray. RME is the cleanest thing I've ever heard, too clean for my taste. I prefer the Symphony, which is similarly clear, but rounder and more musical, a little more 3D and weightier.
@@ReidStefanMusici love all your vids but you have to understand now a days every review from producers or studio owner are just ads. I think every body caught up on that. I would do it too if i had the opportunity. It’s just business, don’t the comments personal. 🫡
UAD doesn't need Reid to convince people to buy their products, they sell like hotcakes based on their quality and reputation alone, I know it's hard to believe when someone makes strong statements like "the best audio interface in the game, just got better". But when talking about the Apollo line, It might actually still be an understatement.
@@drinkcloudmilk for real they already have every major superstar artist on the charts advertising for them, at a magnitude which I could never achieve as a puppet. This is a review, sound quality test, and overview of the updates
Hey thanks for this video. Please can you give us the audio files of the test in download ? Because they are not level matched. So it's not a fair comparison. I just record your audio in my DAW and check the difference, the Gen2 is 0,6db louder, so of course it seems "brighter". It's just louder. The only way to understand if the Gen2 is better is to do a real test, in ABX and perfectly level matched.
@@benderbi what do you mean „all that“? I also thought it sounds like too much of an audible difference for just being the result of better conversion. The old one can’t be that bad in comparison. So just pull the audio of the comparison and check the db. I came to the same conclusion, gen 2 is .6 db louder. It’s an old marketing trick. Level match them with one klick and the very audible difference between those two vanishes into thin air…
@@derdude8201 don't bother arguing with someone who is obviously steeped in ignorance. It's not worth the effort. For those of us who have actually put in the work to train our ears and tried different converters and interfaces, this is obviously way too big of a difference for a ~3db improvement in dynamic range.
Do you think we're reaching a point where there's not much point to upgrading? I'm a generation behind X so this seems like a pretty good choice now, but how much better do things need to get...?
I think they’ve touched upon everything that was arguably missing or left room for improvement in the first gen Apollo X. I like how they didn’t make the old one obsolete but rather added a slightly enhanced option
The subpar AD/DA conversion of previous generations made me hesitant to consider the Apollo series over other options like Apogee. I know others who feel the same. Glad they seem to have listened and made improvements in that area for new customers.
How does it compare to the RME Babyface Pro FS? The RME has much better specs, doesn't need to be plugged in and has much better driver support. Is there anything about the new Gen 2s that really changes the conversation?
Honestly, I like the previous generation model better, I even dare to say that it looks more modern, I don't think the converter updates are incredible either, really the previous generation was already incredible so there wasn't much to update. internally, but well the UAD also needs to do its thing with marketing, you know. Anyway, I love the UAD and I love that they continue to respect what the Apollo range is.
If you’re just a mixing/mastering engineer who literally never records vocals/instruments, never uses UAD plugins or Luna, and never needs to monitor thru UA plugins or AutoTune with low latency, you’ll get probably slightly better mastering conversion in a mastering specific device like Prism. I will drop a comparison between these two devices next. Apollo does 10 different things, Prism and other mastering converters only do 1 thing
@@ReidStefanMusic I record and mix my vocals through the Neve Shelford Channel and Distressor. Mix my tracked background vocals through plugins. I do plan on building an analogue mastering chain. My current interface is the X6.
@@dspoet1 like any other basic USB interface, prism is a big pain in the ass for recording with plugins in your headphone mix. The prism app is basic as hell, and the direct monitoring only gives you a dry signal. This is the drawbacks of mastering converters where brands invest 100% of their development into conversion quality and everything is completely bare bones basic. Apollo is king for the creative steps in the music making/recording process. Post production steps like mastering are a different story and set of tools required.
Is it possible to buy for example a x4 gen2 to combine it with my older Apollo 8 (not x8 gen 1) just to get the new functions like auto gain etc? Thanks mate
I definitely hear a difference not necessarily achievable by just eq. It’s noticeably cleaner and fuller sounding. I might just have to sell my twin to get this baby.
What a beautiful Advertisement , never seen any brand doing that. You have made amazing video but true review and quality test video will be when you will compare this sound card with RME or other brands which comes under same price range. BTW this video prove that gen 1 was not that great as compared to what UAD was charging for their products but as what i can hear in this video they have improved it.
@@ReidStefanMusic Is it possible that you also include your Prism in the comparison? It would be very helpful if you could run a beat or a finished mix (vocals incl.) through all 3 converters so you can hear the tonal differences on a finished mix, and not just on individual instruments or voices. ✌
I don’t think everything is about being negative, sometimes it’s just as simple as seeing things the way they are. Two things can be true, you can be an advocate for a certain brand (paid to do so or not paid to do so) and yet still see the advertisement in the video. I think people are disappointed in the fact that you are a long time user of UA, yet, not acknowledge that the some of it’s updates aren’t worth paying for seems gimmicky. I am also a long time UA owner, however, the things I would have liked to have see updated which we as long time users expected weren’t updated. For instance dsp, a/d conversion although they updated the d/a conversion, it would have also been nice to add both in’s & out’s ops for the Twin X Duo/Quad. If you support them cool, you get paid by them cool, but it’s not a worthy upgrade.
Ryan Tedder and The Weekend still use the Apollo Twin for recording vocals. They should upgrade the new generation of Apollos. I have 2 plugins from UAD and Luna. Did you try the Century Tube Channel Strip? Thanks for doing the video reid!!!!.
@@ReidStefanMusic Just finished the whole video, amazing comparison, definitely could hear a difference on all three tests you played. I like the new sound a little bit more, I feel it less muddy
@@IvoMimica I’ll also tell you that I see a 0.6 db increase in loudness of the examples of gen 2. If I’m right and they’re not level matched it is clear why it’s just such an audible difference. Old marketing trick.
Now I can talk. I have an Apollo 16Mk2. I've been waiting for UA to release new interfaces like the X16 generation 2. I know it's going to be a big improvement from my mk2 interface, but does the x16g2 fit nowadays? I was expecting a better conversion than the one presented and a 24 or 32 AD-DA interface with more dsp... am I the only one? are you feeling dissapointed too with UA?
The Apollo 1st Gen Sounds a bit more shiny/airy & Louder on the vocal. 2nd Gen Sounds Dense & slightly Quite. I believe it’s not worth Upgrading. But if you plan on getting Apollo gear for the First time. It’s worth it, rn Guitar center has some deals going on
1st gen sounded better on the A/D converter test; the highs are clearer on gen 2, but the bass response & warmth is more pronounced on gen 1. But the mic preamp sounds better on the 2nd gen.
Design changes you Said? Dark grey to light grey? Even if they included rounded buttons, it's not a revolution. Always thunderbolt 3 instead of thunderbolt 4 that you could find on most abordable audio interfaces? Can i Ask you one question: are you sponsored by Universal audio? PS: still no adat connectors on X16, even if it cost 3000 dollars?
The main design changes are inside. If you’re looking at The buttons shape and new paint job you’re missing the point of the new converters, headphone amps, and included software updates
To me sounded better 1th gen in recording in a very clear and noticeable way. Yes the second gen in cleaner but the old one ha a bit of grit and definition in the mid range that creates more intelligibility.
just a heads up, i recently downloaded the latest software on my macbook pro running Sonoma 14.1 and it fucked everything up. My mac was running slower, console would just bounce in place, UAD would't connect and my audio files on my acutal mac woudln't load when i press space bar on them. I'd give this some time before upgrading personally. I had to go back to UAD v13 which runs smoothely and personally i like the way the older console looked. I love the UAD plugins but the software fucks up so much whenever i have someone else at my studio and it makes them re download some version to use my apollox8P. So yeah, UAD is def over priced but their plugins are fantastic. only issue is then on the road ur stuck with them, u cant open old sessions without having a UAD box, even with spark then u need to be online etc... im in a love hate thing w them obviously
They don't create enough new DSP chip plugins for me to purchase a new one. The converters are good. BUT, not enough for me to get one without continued DSP library growth.
I’m guessing they’re currently allocating most of their development resources to growing their new native UAD Spark catalog. They’re probably aiming to match the size of their Powered UAD-2 catalog, which already has hundreds of plugins to choose from. This is just my prediction as long-time user 😊
@ReidStefanMusic I agree. Thus, it lends me to merely keep my current interfaces, and merely add a new mac mini via VEP 7 or some other software dsp over ethernet protocol on a 10G backbone.
Is the Digital Mirror option only available on x6? I've got a Twin X and I can't see this option in the Hardware Settings menu. (latest console version)
Yes. Instead of increasing the internal processors, they dropped native UAD Spark plug-ins, so we could use the faster processors we already own in our computers nowadays.
@@bobbyhofermusicbecause the device would be priced out of 90% of the music market and people don’t need two powerful computers to make a song. One is enough. I only want SHARC on my headphone mix which is 2-3 plugins max
Lets be honest, the only real upgrades here are the better build, tactile quality as well as the new converters. Not worth the upgrade if you ask me, although the sound difference did surprise me. However the Gen 2's coming to market bring down the secondary market for the Gen 1's which is really nice. Because especially with apogees new rack units and with the X4 Gen 2 still unable to bypass the preamps (Big missed opportunity) I still think you'd be crazy to buy an Apollo X model short of an X6 brand new without already being an established business or already being integrated into the UA hardware workflow. However with the Apollo solo not being touched in any meaningful way compared to similar interfaces in its price point It's practically a paperweight in comparison to the X line, Gen 1 or 2 since the twin is probably going to drop considerably in price and you can already find used twins for like $500 easy there is literally no reason you should have ever buy the solo now.
I have a question about the monitor controller and surround sound. Does this work with all Apollos or only with X6 and X8? I am currently using my subwoofer via the daisy chain, but would like to connect it directly to the interface. Does this work with Twin and X4 or does 2.1 and so on only work with X6, X8? Regards :)
@@ReidStefanMusic This means that I can connect the monitors to Output 1 and 2 (Monitor Output) and the subwoofers to Line Out 3 and 4 and can then also control this using the large volume control on the Twin X. This was not possible with Gen1, as 3 and 4 were not adjustable, or is this only possible via the software? Thanks for the quick answer.
Dynamic range is huge marketing thing measured by secret technic). Anyway dynamic range in 130db doesn't make much sense because it is under noisefloor. Prism has honestly measured 116 and is still better converters.
Honestly, audio quality improvement from gen 1 to 2 isn't enough to justify an upgrade IMO.
Definitely not enough for upgrade but a good reason for some to switch to uad or upgrade to a larger better model if you have the twin
It is not an improvement! I bought the Apollo Twin X Duo Gen 2 thinking that’s an upgrade… the only thing upgraded is the look of the buttons… a total disappointment!
100% just not enough of a jump in quality .
@@EoinNoonan EAXCTLY!!
look manual, my x16 have same specs as x16 gen 2) lol
The differences are very small. I only noticed a slight difference in the mic preamp test, but nothing beyond that. If you have the first generation, I’d recommend waiting for the third generation in 5-7 years. Nothing about your audio interface is limiting you from making hit songs
i noticed a huge difference btw
@@tearr245let’s say it’s completely all new level of recording from gen 1 trust me the audio interface is not what make your songs to not have millions of streams. The gen 1 is a beast
Agreed similar sounding I believe universal audio just shot themselves in the foot
@@tearr2455 years to late
Gen 2 sounds brighter, but a simple EQ curve would get you there in a minute, so if you already have Gen 1 dont feel like youre missing out
Sounds louder and also sounds like the auto gain was on
Just sold my uad equipment and went for rme. Couldn't be happier.
also the best move I made in my whole career
This is THE review I was waiting for, great comparison with the 1st gen Apollo X6 and I agree with your and others comments that the differences between gen 1 and gen 2 Apollo are definitely noticeable and greater than I anticipated, more air and depth, sounds amazing! As always, awesome track from you and Karra, I appreciate all of the production techniques that you share Reid!
Nice review. I came from an x6 and moved over to apogee symphony desktop. The quality of the gen2 sounds like it's getting closer to conversion I have with my apogee but imo apogee is still king in that department . Thanks for the review! I love the look of the new Apollo gen2.
exactly the same ESS converters ;)!
FACTS... MY APOGEE SOUNDS AMAZING! APOGEE HAS A NEW SYMPHONY, BTW...
@@adamingraham7468 I’ve confirmed with them that the conversion. is still the same as the desktop just mouse outputs and rackmountable
I thought exactly the same thing! My Symphony Desktop arrived an hour ago. I'll just go test this thing out. 😈
Amazing video man you put alot of effort into this .
Ok ive had some time to listen and compare it to my 1 gen X and yeah this thing sounds amazing. Ive been using this for about a week now and I think it's worth the upgrade you won't be disappointed.
I'm using the Volt 276 and this is definitely worth the upgrade! Thanks for explaining this in comparison to the previous version of the Apollo.
These will definitely surpass the sound quality of Volt
I would say except the preamps, which to me on 1st gen they sound much better and natural, even though not as clean I feel they sit better in this mix example - the 2nd gen seems to excel in all the other areas. I also assume we're used to the sound of those 1st gen preamps since this interface is probably the most popular one after the Focusrite Scarlett range and also in many famous records.
I would say its more dynamic and clarified tbh good job UAD
Just upgraded my Apollo Twin X and it’s probably the biggest audible improvement I’ve ever noticed between interfaces. Haters gone hate
My Music really improved coming from an audient id4 to Apollo Twin X
as an apollo owner the apogee symphony is like 10 times better changing the color wont change this fact. but your'e the best regardless Reid :)
Gen2 and latest Apogee have the exact same 9 series ESS converters. That's what most makers buy on the market and put in their interfaces... Placebo effect ;)
@@massivebeatzz its just not true but okay
Wow this is more difference in quality than I was expecting, even just listening on my iPhone. Could only imagine how much more I’ll hear when I listen on my in ears later.
great review! great quality!
dont know why but 1st gen voc is so soothing
The first generation Apollo has been “industry standard” for the past decade because it sounds great 👍 the 2nd generation is a slight improvement
yeah it's interesting - gen 2 is slightly clearer with a more forward presence in the low end which helps the vocal come forward from the mix, but the mids had more depth in the gen 1 which helps the vocal sit in the mix. I can't decide which I prefer, both are great!
the gen 2 high end opens up right away. sounds nice. lots of clarity
but gen 1 seems to have more depth in the mids while the mids come forward in gen 2. I can't decide which is better for mixing.
@@musiclover-r9m I FEEL THAT. i prefer the more open sound. the gen 1 sounds a little dark. i guess at the end of the day its bout what your desired outcome is for your mixes
Thank U very much ! That's THE test I wanted 😊
14:00 Wish you’d do a video specifically outlining how to use digital mirroring as loopback. This is the first I’ve ever someone talk about it. I’m thinking it would be great for online co-writes.
I believe I explained everything clearly in that 30 second segment that shows Ableton. What else specifically were you curious about?
@@ReidStefanMusic Digital Mirror works great in Ableton. BUT I don't think this is exactly true with OBS. OBS only reads input 1 and 2 of an apollo. You would still need some sort of virtual cables/OBS ASIO plugin on a PC or "loopback program" on Mac to route it to OBS. Unless I"m missing something. Do you do something different? ALSO, different apollo's have different inputs. I believe this won't work with a twin as it doesn't have digital outputs. X4 and above only.
Thanks for the 1st and 2nd Gen comparison. That was very helpful. I can easily hear the improvement in sound quality. Should mean it competes better with some of the other well regarded converters.
Ayeeee this means I can get an x8 og for a lot less now yippieeeee
I'm just waiting for the Sonarworks update to be live so I can use with my Gen 1 X4. Apparently it will be available in November.
Your channel is the audio go to guide for me thank you
That room sounds amazing
Not worth upgrading. Gen1 is still 🔥
Gen 1 is still an absolute beast that smokes the competition in terms of hardware software integration, and recording workflow
Still rocking mine since 2011
Absolutely
Gen 1 looks way more appealing also when it’s 799 vs 1199$ that’s an insane price difference
@@baghead5398 I would say get a Gen 1 and live with it
Someone was given a free apollo gen 2!!
Must be nice 😅
The upgrade is welcome if you are shopping for a prosumer interface. It is definitely not worth the upgrade if you have a first-gen. A mastering plugin can make up the difference. If you are curious about how a mastering-grade digital converter/interface should sound like, try BURL Audio.
A different and legit review. Audio examples are always welcome. The 2nd G sounds clearer, more foward and tighter on my android phone. Thanks for the effort.
Haha you heard that on phone speakers? :)
@@NikolajChristensen yeah👍
Yeah but the 2nd G is 0.6 db louder in the comparison. That’s an old marketing trick. It should be level matched.
It just sounds louder and that will give a brighter perception as well
I finally get confirmation that the Apollo (Gen 1) sounds a bit muddy. I've always preferred my RME AD/DA.
The difference are in the preamp and not in AD converters in my opinion so just an external preamp will "fix" the problem
it's more the analog warmth then mud that UA is trying to portray. RME is the cleanest thing I've ever heard, too clean for my taste. I prefer the Symphony, which is similarly clear, but rounder and more musical, a little more 3D and weightier.
Hits hard if you bought a new gen 1 apollo x4 two month ago...
not a review, call it like what it is : an ad
listen to my sound quality tests and formulate your own educated opinion 👍
😂 fr
@@ReidStefanMusici love all your vids but you have to understand now a days every review from producers or studio owner are just ads. I think every body caught up on that. I would do it too if i had the opportunity. It’s just business, don’t the comments personal. 🫡
UAD doesn't need Reid to convince people to buy their products, they sell like hotcakes based on their quality and reputation alone, I know it's hard to believe when someone makes strong statements like "the best audio interface in the game, just got better". But when talking about the Apollo line, It might actually still be an understatement.
@@drinkcloudmilk for real they already have every major superstar artist on the charts advertising for them, at a magnitude which I could never achieve as a puppet. This is a review, sound quality test, and overview of the updates
Great review!
Hey thanks for this video. Please can you give us the audio files of the test in download ? Because they are not level matched. So it's not a fair comparison. I just record your audio in my DAW and check the difference, the Gen2 is 0,6db louder, so of course it seems "brighter". It's just louder. The only way to understand if the Gen2 is better is to do a real test, in ABX and perfectly level matched.
Old interface marketing trick…
yeah I would love if we could match the tracks ourselves.
If you need to do all that to find something different I don't think it's that much of a difference
@@benderbi what do you mean „all that“? I also thought it sounds like too much of an audible difference for just being the result of better conversion. The old one can’t be that bad in comparison. So just pull the audio of the comparison and check the db. I came to the same conclusion, gen 2 is .6 db louder. It’s an old marketing trick. Level match them with one klick and the very audible difference between those two vanishes into thin air…
@@derdude8201 don't bother arguing with someone who is obviously steeped in ignorance. It's not worth the effort. For those of us who have actually put in the work to train our ears and tried different converters and interfaces, this is obviously way too big of a difference for a ~3db improvement in dynamic range.
Can we get a sound comparison test between Apollo X Gen 2 vs Presonus HD interfaces please?
Right... so I know what I'm getting. Gooood daaaamn!
worth every second of this video
Do you think we're reaching a point where there's not much point to upgrading? I'm a generation behind X so this seems like a pretty good choice now, but how much better do things need to get...?
I think they’ve touched upon everything that was arguably missing or left room for improvement in the first gen Apollo X. I like how they didn’t make the old one obsolete but rather added a slightly enhanced option
Well DSP is dead - there is probably not a good point to invest in an ecosystem that is already done.
The subpar AD/DA conversion of previous generations made me hesitant to consider the Apollo series over other options like Apogee. I know others who feel the same. Glad they seem to have listened and made improvements in that area for new customers.
How does it compare to the RME Babyface Pro FS? The RME has much better specs, doesn't need to be plugged in and has much better driver support. Is there anything about the new Gen 2s that really changes the conversation?
I’m still waiting for RME to send me anything to test
@@ReidStefanMusic It'd be sick if they did, would love a breakdown of the babyface, looks like an amazing interface
Honestly, I like the previous generation model better, I even dare to say that it looks more modern, I don't think the converter updates are incredible either, really the previous generation was already incredible so there wasn't much to update. internally, but well the UAD also needs to do its thing with marketing, you know. Anyway, I love the UAD and I love that they continue to respect what the Apollo range is.
It wasn’t bad to begin with 🔥
Be honest Reid. Does this new G2 X6 sound better than the Prism Titan? I'm stuck between which one to get based on the sound and converters.
If you’re just a mixing/mastering engineer who literally never records vocals/instruments, never uses UAD plugins or Luna, and never needs to monitor thru UA plugins or AutoTune with low latency, you’ll get probably slightly better mastering conversion in a mastering specific device like Prism. I will drop a comparison between these two devices next. Apollo does 10 different things, Prism and other mastering converters only do 1 thing
@@ReidStefanMusic I record and mix my vocals through the Neve Shelford Channel and Distressor. Mix my tracked background vocals through plugins.
I do plan on building an analogue mastering chain. My current interface is the X6.
@@dspoet1 like any other basic USB interface, prism is a big pain in the ass for recording with plugins in your headphone mix. The prism app is basic as hell, and the direct monitoring only gives you a dry signal. This is the drawbacks of mastering converters where brands invest 100% of their development into conversion quality and everything is completely bare bones basic. Apollo is king for the creative steps in the music making/recording process. Post production steps like mastering are a different story and set of tools required.
Is it possible to buy for example a x4 gen2 to combine it with my older Apollo 8 (not x8 gen 1) just to get the new functions like auto gain etc?
Thanks mate
This should’ve been titled commercial instead of review
Skip to the audio examples if you don’t like talking 👍
😂😂😂
@@ReidStefanMusic When you show the 'mixed' versions there's even a deliberate difference in sound. Very biased 'review' imo
In your professional opinion how does this compare to the Neumann MT 48 in regards to recording vocals.
Comparison video coming in 2025
Love it !
I definitely hear a difference not necessarily achievable by just eq. It’s noticeably cleaner and fuller sounding. I might just have to sell my twin to get this baby.
What a beautiful Advertisement , never seen any brand doing that. You have made amazing video but true review and quality test video will be when you will compare this sound card with RME or other brands which comes under same price range. BTW this video prove that gen 1 was not that great as compared to what UAD was charging for their products but as what i can hear in this video they have improved it.
Comparisons with Prism Titan and Neumann MT48 coming soon
@@ReidStefanMusic Compare with RME too as prism is expensive as compare to x6. MT 48 and RME would be perfect comparison.
No one talk about it 😢 but this song is so hot 🔥thank you❤
I got a Neumann MT48 slightly based off your reaction to it. How do you think Apollo gen 2 compares?
Comparison coming soon 🔥
@@ReidStefanMusic Ayeeee Tight!
@@ReidStefanMusic Is it possible that you also include your Prism in the comparison?
It would be very helpful if you could run a beat or a finished mix (vocals incl.) through all 3 converters so you can hear the tonal differences on a finished mix, and not just on individual instruments or voices. ✌
@@rtdrec every interface is getting a separate video vs Apollo gen 2
......woooooow I just got the twin couple weeks before this released
Can I keep my gen 1 UA plugins?
Of course
I don’t think everything is about being negative, sometimes it’s just as simple as seeing things the way they are. Two things can be true, you can be an advocate for a certain brand (paid to do so or not paid to do so) and yet still see the advertisement in the video. I think people are disappointed in the fact that you are a long time user of UA, yet, not acknowledge that the some of it’s updates aren’t worth paying for seems gimmicky. I am also a long time UA owner, however, the things I would have liked to have see updated which we as long time users expected weren’t updated. For instance dsp, a/d conversion although they updated the d/a conversion, it would have also been nice to add both in’s & out’s ops for the Twin X Duo/Quad. If you support them cool, you get paid by them cool, but it’s not a worthy upgrade.
Ryan Tedder and The Weekend still use the Apollo Twin for recording vocals. They should upgrade the new generation of Apollos. I have 2 plugins from UAD and Luna. Did you try the Century Tube Channel Strip? Thanks for doing the video reid!!!!.
wait so you get sonarworks refernence with the new apollo ??
The added air in gen 2 is gorgeous
Added air? 🤔
@@3jahel7it’s the internal fan upgrade no one is talking about. The real game changer.
Just kidding. 😊
@@TheRealPowerBob5000 i wish it had a fan🤣 I just got mine in the mail couple days ago the thing gets pretty darn toasty
Thanks for the vid Reid. I am curious how the converters sound next to Avid Carbon, Apogee Symphony, Neumann MT48, and Prism Titan.
Prism Titan and Neumann mt48 comparisons coming soon 💎🔥😎
@@ReidStefanMusic Hope you get your hands on the new Apogee Symphony Studio series.
I'm getting a little more high end with the 2nd gen on the vocal A/B, if the vocal is going thru the exactly same chain the difference is wild.
Both mic preamp tests are the same telefunken 251 plugged directly into Apollo
@@ReidStefanMusic Just finished the whole video, amazing comparison, definitely could hear a difference on all three tests you played. I like the new sound a little bit more, I feel it less muddy
@@IvoMimica I’ll also tell you that I see a 0.6 db increase in loudness of the examples of gen 2. If I’m right and they’re not level matched it is clear why it’s just such an audible difference. Old marketing trick.
They sound basically the same to me. 🤷♂️ gen 1 still great
Now we need a Apollo X Gen 2 vs. Neumann MT 48
That's what I want to know. Imma get an Apollo Gen 2 on loan to compare
@@jacksp8deiight bet ima be waiting for your comparison
Y'all get apogee symphony desktop
@@j-perezmusic im already happy with my Neumann
@@kingyasofficial ik right i love my neumann
Now I can talk. I have an Apollo 16Mk2. I've been waiting for UA to release new interfaces like the X16 generation 2. I know it's going to be a big improvement from my mk2 interface, but does the x16g2 fit nowadays? I was expecting a better conversion than the one presented and a 24 or 32 AD-DA interface with more dsp... am I the only one? are you feeling dissapointed too with UA?
Thoughts on this vs the MT48? Particularly with regards to preamp/conversion/headphone amp quality.
Comparison coming soon 🔥
Sound quality of Neumann mt48 or apollo gen 2?
comparison coming soon
@@ReidStefanMusicstill waiting
@@pedram1916 it’s coming in 2025 my schedule for the remainder of 2024 is already full
How is it compared to the Neumann audio interface you tested?
Comparison video coming soon!
@@ReidStefanMusic Nice!
@@ReidStefanMusic please 👍🏼🫶🏼👍🏼
Is loopback available on windows as well or is it on mac only?
Can hear a difference in the tests but you didn’t comment on the new headphone amp. Is there much of a difference? Thanks
Yes it’s improved noticably. They have new headphone amps in addition to new converters
Apollo is the 🐐 🔥
Reid, what size monitor/TV are you using on your station?
42” LG TV
this dude a puppet of the industry
Realest Puppet in the game 🫡
does the new converters improve the unison pres?
The signal passes through the new converters after the preamps
The Apollo 1st Gen Sounds a bit more shiny/airy & Louder on the vocal. 2nd Gen Sounds Dense & slightly Quite. I believe it’s not worth Upgrading. But if you plan on getting Apollo gear for the First time. It’s worth it, rn Guitar center has some deals going on
for me the biggest addition is that the gen 2 twin works with mac and windows now
Big Tune!! What is the singer's name?
Big production
Name of singer please...Thks
KARRA
Karra should release that song, it would be a hit
Coming soon
@@ReidStefanMusic Yay! 😁
Fantastic. Reminded me to listen to On My Own again. Love that song
IS LOOPBACK avai]able in CONSOLE but on 1ST gen Apollo???????????????
LOOPBACK FINALLY!!!
Digital mirror has been there as far back as 2018 from what i recall
Generation 1 sounds less artificial
They’re both great
yeah, X1 sounds more analog and midrangey
1st gen sounded better on the A/D converter test; the highs are clearer on gen 2, but the bass response & warmth is more pronounced on gen 1. But the mic preamp sounds better on the 2nd gen.
Does it work well on Windows 11?
Design changes you Said? Dark grey to light grey? Even if they included rounded buttons, it's not a revolution. Always thunderbolt 3 instead of thunderbolt 4 that you could find on most abordable audio interfaces? Can i Ask you one question: are you sponsored by Universal audio? PS: still no adat connectors on X16, even if it cost 3000 dollars?
The main design changes are inside. If you’re looking at The buttons shape and new paint job you’re missing the point of the new converters, headphone amps, and included software updates
To me sounded better 1th gen in recording in a very clear and noticeable way. Yes the second gen in cleaner but the old one ha a bit of grit and definition in the mid range that creates more intelligibility.
Antelope has best ad da conversion!
I love the speaker and headphone calibration. Still not impressed just yet. I own 4 x8’s. So I’m fully invested into UAD
Is the Console update available for the 1st generation?
Yes Gen 1 apollos are getting all these new updates except for Auto Gain
@@ReidStefanMusic thank you
What speaker stands under the ATC s?
just a heads up, i recently downloaded the latest software on my macbook pro running Sonoma 14.1 and it fucked everything up. My mac was running slower, console would just bounce in place, UAD would't connect and my audio files on my acutal mac woudln't load when i press space bar on them. I'd give this some time before upgrading personally. I had to go back to UAD v13 which runs smoothely and personally i like the way the older console looked. I love the UAD plugins but the software fucks up so much whenever i have someone else at my studio and it makes them re download some version to use my apollox8P. So yeah, UAD is def over priced but their plugins are fantastic. only issue is then on the road ur stuck with them, u cant open old sessions without having a UAD box, even with spark then u need to be online etc... im in a love hate thing w them obviously
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is the solo headphone amp able to drive high impedance headphones like the hd 650? i remember the old solos were severely underpowered.
Yes my beyerdynanamics sounded awesome
Gen2 has a clarity on the mic preamp test and gen1 was a little more gritty
I don’t think this touches the Apogee Symphony I/O MkII SE converters in sound quality. Can you do a comparison between the Gen2 and SE?
How much is the apogee MKII .? Lol.😅
@@Dreams-N-Nightmares to be honest the Apollo X16 and Symphony MKII SE 16x16 is not that much difference in price !
If they send me, I will test and compare 👍
they have the exact same converters,....9 series ESS converters... No difference ;)!
They don't create enough new DSP chip plugins for me to purchase a new one. The converters are good. BUT, not enough for me to get one without continued DSP library growth.
I’m guessing they’re currently allocating most of their development resources to growing their new native UAD Spark catalog. They’re probably aiming to match the size of their Powered UAD-2 catalog, which already has hundreds of plugins to choose from. This is just my prediction as long-time user 😊
@ReidStefanMusic I agree. Thus, it lends me to merely keep my current interfaces, and merely add a new mac mini via VEP 7 or some other software dsp over ethernet protocol on a 10G backbone.
Is the Digital Mirror option only available on x6? I've got a Twin X and I can't see this option in the Hardware Settings menu. (latest console version)
Yes all Apollo X should have digital mirror. Make sure you’re using an updated console version
Just order mines solely off this review thanks..
Same SHARC DSP?
Yes. Instead of increasing the internal processors, they dropped native UAD Spark plug-ins, so we could use the faster processors we already own in our computers nowadays.
@@ReidStefanMusic Why not just put newest, most powerful native processors to not have to use the computer's resources. Lateral move, really.
@@bobbyhofermusicbecause the device would be priced out of 90% of the music market and people don’t need two powerful computers to make a song. One is enough. I only want SHARC on my headphone mix which is 2-3 plugins max
I used the Apollo x6 Gen 1 with BURL B2 AD converter, there's any difference of DA converter of Apollo gen 2 ? Please advice.
Yes the converters are improved in Gen 2. Refer to the sound quality test I’ve included at 6:25
It’s louder and brighter, but it’s all depends with a preamp
Lets be honest, the only real upgrades here are the better build, tactile quality as well as the new converters. Not worth the upgrade if you ask me, although the sound difference did surprise me. However the Gen 2's coming to market bring down the secondary market for the Gen 1's which is really nice. Because especially with apogees new rack units and with the X4 Gen 2 still unable to bypass the preamps (Big missed opportunity) I still think you'd be crazy to buy an Apollo X model short of an X6 brand new without already being an established business or already being integrated into the UA hardware workflow. However with the Apollo solo not being touched in any meaningful way compared to similar interfaces in its price point It's practically a paperweight in comparison to the X line, Gen 1 or 2 since the twin is probably going to drop considerably in price and you can already find used twins for like $500 easy there is literally no reason you should have ever buy the solo now.
The Twin and X4 Gen 2 Both bypass the preamps
I have a question about the monitor controller and surround sound. Does this work with all Apollos or only with X6 and X8? I am currently using my subwoofer via the daisy chain, but would like to connect it directly to the interface. Does this work with Twin and X4 or does 2.1 and so on only work with X6, X8? Regards :)
Yes monitor control will work with the new Twin X because it has extra outputs for a subwoofer
@@ReidStefanMusic This means that I can connect the monitors to Output 1 and 2 (Monitor Output) and the subwoofers to Line Out 3 and 4 and can then also control this using the large volume control on the Twin X. This was not possible with Gen1, as 3 and 4 were not adjustable, or is this only possible via the software? Thanks for the quick answer.
@@etsch yes this will be possible due to the monitor control feature coming in a Console Update
@@ReidStefanMusic Thanks for the info, Universal Audio sold a new Apollo through you.
Do these really sound better than the Motu models? Why?
Sounds like she sings that line from “the lion sleeps tonight” ah we me way ah we mah weh
Dynamic range is huge marketing thing measured by secret technic). Anyway dynamic range in 130db doesn't make much sense because it is under noisefloor. Prism has honestly measured 116 and is still better converters.