That's because the Ottoman empire overstayed its relevance into the modern era. Empires were cool in the medieval age. But then in the 19th century onwards, people groups started to get the idea of nation states, and started to identify more along ethnic lines than the empire. Same goes for Austria.
Middle East was always clusterf*ck. After Ottoman Empire's collapse that clusterf*ck surfaced again, and again, and again. Still clusterf*ck, and probably not gonna change in near future.
@@KarlMacmillann Search the meaning of motherland and fatherland. They are both ok for this situation. Motherland is not a word that only used by communists.
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@@KarlMacmillann Mustafa Kemal fought against the Ottoman Empire. You can't be Ottoman Empire and be Kemalist at the same time.
@ I suppose you're quite ignorant about this topic, ataturk saved the ottoman empire from the treaty of sevres and gifted us a newborn republic if you're really want the reason that why ottoman Empire collapsed, just search lawrence of arabia and other rebels killing their own empire
Oil has nothing to do with anything in the Middle East. We didn’t even control the oil when we were in Iraq In regards to Kurdistan it doesn’t exist primarily because it’s openly hostile to Turkey and no one is going to support a country that doesn’t exists that’ll make Turkey your enemy
@@nono114499 Nah World war 1 started because of the natinonalism of the powerful countries in the world. Everybody wanted to play a big a big role in the world and they wanted to be better than every other nation. But yeah oil had also a huge impact on the beginning of world war 1. Sorry for my bad english btw
@@ANTSEMUT1 yeah, simple history. And a bit of interpretation. Ottoman Prussian cooperation was the most direct threat for both the brits and the russians, like imagine all the oil trade belonging to Turkey and Germany at the begining of 20th century...
@@1CE. I'm talking back when the ottoman empire was carved up. Iraq was made a protectorate with the kurds being promised a separate state with supervision, as the British considered it to hold little value in directly controlling, as well as being naturally rebellious. Then, they found oil, and the kurds were folded under the Iraqi protectorate, which by virtue of the colonial priority system, had to sell its goods to the British before any others, including the oil. A sizable share of the British ww2 oil supply came from Iraq, btw. Oil had literally everything to do with kurdistan's lack of independence at the time. Coupled with the success of ataturk's resistance, and the allied powers didn't want to risk pushing the turks into a Soviet or German sphere by supporting a Kurdish state, so that may have play a role as well.
This is mostly correct but there is a major mistake that acting like Kurdish minority in Turkey lives in eastern Turkey due in reality they don't, in fact 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish population live in WESTERN Turkey not eastern Turkey and the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj, Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! This wasn't much different during Ottoman nor early republic era so because two nations were always so mixed Turkey also considered them as citizens nor there was ever a Kurdish rebellion for independence. There are some ''historians'' trying to show Sheikh Said rebellion as a Kurdish rebellion while in reality it was an ISLAMIST rebellion for bringing back the CALIPHATE!! Ottoman caliphate never ever considered Kurds as Kurds, Turks as Turks, Arabs as Arabs rather called all Muslims just Muslims. So Kurdish people didn't feel like they were a minority in a foreign empire rather felt like it was their own empire as well. And it is also why they refused western promise of an independent country during WW1. After Turkey was established depending on a nationalist system and it's citizens were called Turkish same as France, Spain, Russia etc etc they felt like they were loosing their rights even if they were still full citizens and there was never anti-minority laws in Turkey like anti-black laws in US and South Africa or anti-aborigine laws in Canada and Australia. So they rebelled for bringing back the caliphate behind Sheikh Said and even today a significant part of Kurdish population (Around 40%) still believe Islamic system is better and vote for AKP party!! I know this is a simplified channel and more for fun than information but sadly even very dedicated channels are doing same mistakes that comparing Kurdish region of Turkey with Scotland, Catalonia, Brittany etc and acting like they weren't simply allowed to become independent like those places but the reality is a lot complicated than that...
Its very cool to see a Western person who can see the things behind the curtain... Compare to the ones in America and other countries, these morons are joke.
A minor note on the terminology: There is indeed a Kurdish nation ("a community of people formed on the basis of a combination of shared features such as language, history, ethnicity, culture and/or territory"). There is not a Kurdish state ("a centralized political organization that imposes rules and has a monopoly of the legitimate use of force over a territorially circumscribed population"). A nation-state is, as you said, a state built around a nation. Not all nations have states, and not all states are nation-states. These concepts are often used synonymously but as someone interested in political theory, I think it is actually really useful to delineate them :) (although language is of course never objectively "correct", but a matter of convention, and nowadays many people use the words interchangeably, but anyways).
True its on a matter of convention but its also good that you are able to give specific definitions tha I could understand. I know there is some difference with the terms nation and state but its nice to have terms defined
@Clouds no, they are not mix of “Turks and Persians” they were there before the Turks and lived along with the Persians but not “with” them, they formed Empires and Kingdoms and more, Turks were nomadic people actually
Well he allowed the Federal Reserve to take over the American economy selling it to international bankers continually downgrading the value of the dollar for over one hundred years. He did that......
Wilson actually helped Serbia acquire Vojvodina (southern Pannonian basin) for the first time ever after WW1. Up until then Serbia never crossed the Sava river. During the Ottoman rule of the Balkans, many Serbs moved north across the Sava into Vojvodina which was then Austria-Hungary. Over the centuries, those migrations made it so that Serbs became the majority ethnic group in the region. After WW1, which Serbia won and Austria-Hungary lost, influental scientist and Wilson's friend Mihajlo Pupin lobbied for the incorporation of Vojvodina into the new Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (later Kingdom of Yugoslavia), and with Wilson's help it came to be.
as a kurd who was born and raised in turkey, i don't know what to think about kurdistan. i mean, i don't even care about the having a national country. i may think that way because i'm assimilated, but i don't have any nationalism in me. i love turkey and yeah i'm fine with my life
If you look out for your nation's interests and your heart resides with your country and all the people in it(except radical islamist arab wanna-be), then you're Turkish, pretty straight-forward
@@gringopapi6985 Absolutely. But in contrast to Armenia, Kurdistan would start off with a -100 diplomacy malus with all of it's neighbours. Where would Israel be without its coastline?
@@gringopapi6985 armenia is the only one in the middle east that lacks a coastline (everyone else has at least a slimmer) but they have Russian backing.
@@riograndedosulball248 Georgia actually also enemy to Armenia thanks to brilliant armenian foreign policy that constantly claiming the lands of their neighbors.
Well I don't imagine it would be a -stan since if I'm not mistaken (as in I typed "land" into Google translate) that's not what you call land in Kurdish or any other middle Eastern land.
@@thegamerkhan well the -stan suffix is of Persian origin really, and considering what happened to the Kurds in Iran before and Iraq and Syria now, they might use a different Kurdish language term. Keyword: might
@@chronicthingz when were kurds brutally suppressed by persians ??? rebels all around the world will always be brutally supressed because its required for the health of any nation ! regardless if they are kurds or turks or persians...no rebelion ever was welcomed in any country ! but normal kurd people have been living in peace and harmony for thousands of years...besides other than language and culture...theres no such thing as kurd ppl genetically and there never has ever been a kurd nation, if any cultural minority in the region wanted to have a nation of its own...the region would be torn to peaces and that exatly what our enemies are looking for
As a kurdish this really hits hard. we have our own language,culture, clothes, music, flag, history, food. Yet no country at all and everyone mistakes us for (turks, persians and arabs) I don't blame it on anyone it's just that we never had any support whenever we had our chances...
The fact that we (the US) kept the British-drawn Iraqi borders after we stomped on Saddam instead of splitting off northern Iraq into Kurdistan still strikes me as a disgrace and a lost opportunity. Yeah, it would've pissed off the Turks, but the Kurds in the area would've become a steadfast ally, our only one in the entire region other than Israel. Instead we eventually threw the Kurds under the bus and let them get run over by ISIS. What a farce, we should've done better.
in iran we dont mistake any of cultures like turks kurds , gilacks or anyothers! we are a nation and we need eachother to scape form this Isalamic repoblic... pls leave us for a while and let us to survive... then u can came and talk about your stuffs... .
I was in “Kurdistan” when I was deployed to Iraq. It was the only place I felt was safe in the entire country of Iraq. My interpreter was Kurdish and he was awesome. I had him procure my a Kurdistan flag that I proudly display in my office. Great people with a tragic history. I hope someday soon that they get a country of their own.
this is sad, honestly i wish my country (canada) would recognize you, but im sad to admit the government doesn't care about "people" they only care about the money that comes with it. and the glory. our government doesn't see that kurdistan deserves to be independent. i wish you kurdish people the best. not having a country for your people, even if you have a culture and everything. i hope iraq, turkey, iran, and any future country that will ever control kurdistan, realise that these people.. aren't theirs. but they should be independent. that was my talk, on the sad story of kurdistan. please know, i support your people.
@@nathanplays5514 come on maaan! dont blame your government! govs do what ever the people wants! if u hade a good education, good medical, good food varity and stuff... its because you want your gov keep force the other countries to stay where they were 100 years before ... you say how? by draining brains... blackmailing Oil and minerals, by ransoming politic points and milking the peoples who stood NOBLE and wont to do the same as you ! yes , if we had a piece of bread and a bowl of warm food, we pray for those who cant have this even! not like you howling for MORE and MORE ... and this is ouer mistake in middle east! BTW im an Iranian, NOT persian, but Iranian it means i recognize the KURDs as my people and brothers not because of political borders nor being part of the Iran borders, but cuz we have the same blood in our vessels... .
I kinda want you to do more of the "How the World Reacts to" Questions like Japan's Invasion of Manchuria or the Communists winning the Civil War and all that.
If I'm not wrong, Japan was sanctioned for invading Manchuria, and nations like the US and Britain worsened because of this invasion futher isolating them which led to them joining the Axis, I'm sure that he mentioned this in his "Why did Japan join the Axis" Video
Great video, however you do leave out quite a bit of why Kurdistan was never created as unlike the examples you gave (Poland & Korea) there was no direct Kurdish state in the Middle East before the Ottomans and the Safavids. Yes, there were significant Kurdish rulers throughout history, but never a major state that had Kurds hold the reigns of power. You have to remember that the Kurds were a tribal people stuck between two competing Imperial powers, and with all people, they formed different political and ideological identities. Kurds in Turkey have vastly different religious and political beliefs compared to the Kurds of Syria, Iran, Iraq, and even in each country they have their own unique political/religious subdivisions. The Kurds are not a monolith which is heavily implied in Western media. How can any ethnic group be a monolith? You have religious Kurds, nationalistic Kurds, Communist Kurds, and Kurds who simply want to be a part of their countries political system. Some Kurds wish for an independent Kurdistan, and some Kurds would rather see improvement of Kurdish rights within their own country. This diverse set of beliefs within the greater Kurdish community is also a reason (on top of the reasons shown in the video) why Kurdistan does not exist today. Love the video and love all the work you do!
Poland experienced a similar issue: after being encompassed by 3 imperial powers, different parts of Poland developed radically different ideas on how the country should be run. Not to mention that Poles barely made 2/3 of the country's population. One detail that was left out was that Iraq already grants autonomy for the Kurds, probably the only country to do so.
no bruh, its just that "where kurds live" doesn't isn't equal to "where kurds are the majority" and this channel being so factual and all, I would have expected that to be addressed in the case of eastern anatolia. I'd like to point out that every time I play Turkey in HOI4, I give kurds local authonomy
@@akramgimmini8165 I would say the Balkans in smaller scale since in the middle east usually great empires that clashes, while in the Balkans mostly ethnic groups that created kingdoms empires countries thus their war in smaller scale but destructive ofc.
@Özgür K. that’s different, the USA won a war and they moved the border as part of the peace treaty, and the USA paid Mexico $15 million for that land. Edit: actually the better example would be: if the Native Americans asked to secede from the USA. I would be supportive of that because we treated them horribly for centuries… but I bet the government would be just as intractable as the ones in Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq too.
Oh believe me, it was intentional. The British and French didn't want stable central authorities. They wanted the Middle East to fight within themselves in order to expolit said geography.
@@the_feedle Lmao the Arab world is in disarray as of now. The elite sell their countries' resources to the imperial power USA and the average Arab citizen gets fucked as a consequence.
as an Iranian persian, just wanna say I love all of our kurdish brothers and sisters regardless of what they think about iran. hopefully we can either settle our problems out and be united or go our own ways.
@@Xavier-fk7wm Afghanistan is more a part of the Indian sub-continent so an economic union with India(whenever India gets its shit together, not soon probably) is actually a possibility for Afghanistan.
Great, info loaded 3+ minutes, as always. A 20 second addendum to what happened in the aftermath of 2003 US invasion of Iraq, the overlap of IS and Syrian war and how all that raised hopes of Kurdistan and then again crashed to the ground would've made it complete.
There is a kurdish state in North Eastern Syria. That huge area of Syria isn’t controlled by Assad’s regime And that Kurdish state isn’t going anywhere so cry about it
@@tylerclayton6081 That is not a Kurdish state. Americans armed and trained PKK terorists in civil war of Syria. They are not a state. Kurds are an ethnic race but they are not a single nation who has similar ideology and interests. Most of Kurds in Turkey want to stay as Turkish citizens and live in western cities of Turkey. After Gulf War 2 kurdish pashmerge group Talabani and Barzani fought for a decade. Syrian kurds has no ideology they are run by PKK terorists who are rebranded by USA as YPG or Syrian Democratical Forces. Americans and Europeans try to create a nationalism conscous in kurdish populations and unite them. It is all to secure Israel’s position in middle east. They want to create a puppet proxy kurdistan. But in anyway if a kurdistan built by seperation land from Turks Iranian and Arabs, it will be the biggest prison. Because that will be a land country which has no airzone and seaways to escape. And water sources, and all products should have been passed from hostile neighbours which is impossible.
@XbxbnWhdj 1000 senedir o moğollar sayesinde kral gibi yaşadınız. Şimdi amerikanın avrupalnın gazı ile atıp tutma. Türklerin tarihin en zayıf olduğu zamanda hiç bir şey alamadınız artık bugün hiç şansınız yok. Siz denizlere ancak Türk şehirlerinde tatil yaparken ya da çalışırken açılırısnız.
This is mostly correct but there is a major mistake that acting like Kurdish minority in Turkey lives in eastern Turkey due in reality they don't, in fact 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish population live in WESTERN Turkey not eastern Turkey and the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj, Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! This wasn't much different during Ottoman nor early republic era so because two nations were always so mixed Turkey also considered them as citizens nor there was ever a Kurdish rebellion for independence. There are some ''historians'' trying to show Sheikh Said rebellion as a Kurdish rebellion while in reality it was an ISLAMIST rebellion for bringing back the CALIPHATE!! Ottoman caliphate never ever considered Kurds as Kurds, Turks as Turks, Arabs as Arabs rather called all Muslims just Muslims. So Kurdish people didn't feel like they were a minority in a foreign empire rather felt like it was their own empire as well. And it is also why they refused western promise of an independent country during WW1. After Turkey was established depending on a nationalist system and it's citizens were called Turkish same as France, Spain, Russia etc etc they felt like they were loosing their rights even if they were still full citizens and there was never anti-minority laws in Turkey like anti-black laws in US and South Africa or anti-aborigine laws in Canada and Australia. So they rebelled for bringing back the caliphate behind Sheikh Said and even today a significant part of Kurdish population (Around 40%) still believe Islamic system is better and vote for AKP party!! I know this is a simplified channel and more for fun than information but sadly even very dedicated channels are doing same mistakes that comparing Kurdish region of Turkey with Scotland, Catalonia, Brittany etc and acting like they weren't simply allowed to become independent like those places but the reality is a lot complicated than that...
sadly it is not ottoman, it is osman actually. So Ottomans didn't use to call themselves ottomans. They were Osmanlıs. Yeah I know it doesn't work with your joke ^^
@@metehanguler367 İngilizcede diğer her dilde isimler değişir. Misal Arnavutlar kendilerine Arnavut demez , sen dersin. Onlar Shqiptar der İngilizler Albanian der vs. O bakımdan hatalısın.
My father is Kurdish and my mother is Turkish for me race is a stupid thing to worry about this is our nation not by blood but by hearth. In the what we call Turkish republic is by race only 20% Turkish its all mix greek arab slavs and many civilazations thats was once ruled these lands
@@belamras Nationalism on the basis of race is the most ridiculous thing in the world. Turkish nationalism is based on thousands of years of Turkish culture. That's why I disagree with your 20% statement. Because it might not even be that much. Turks have succeeded in integrating with the societies they are together with and bringing their culture to these places. In conclusion, the thought of at least a sane Turkish nationalist should be; instead of nonsense like our race is great, our race is superior, to live and keep alive the ancient Turkish culture, which you can find traces of no matter how far you go in history.
Okey dude but also a country is the land where a person receives education in his own language, learns his own history and culture and carries his own identity. There is education in mother tongue in more than 60 countries around the world. but Kurdish education is prohibited in Turkey. There can be only Turkish education and everyone has to carry a Turkish identity. If Turkey is also a country of Kurds, why do not Kurds have these rights? and why no Turks support to Kurdish education?
@@_j_8299 u are talkin about the countries are don't have any problem about getting revolt. In Turkey absolutely in middle east this is a big problem. Every genius people knows the real problem is not the Kurdish langague. and there is not an racism against kurds in turkey. Turks dont have any problem kurds. Turkey has a problem with PKK. Kurds langague problem is not main problem for PKK they only want to getting revolt in turkey with kurds. This is only one example
“Accepted us into Turkey“ are you insane? Kurds are INDIGENOUS to parts of Turkey‘s land, meanwhile Turks come from the farther east. We belong to this land. It’s our origin. We are not guests. Turks are. If anyone should have any rights over that land it’s Kurds, Assyrians & Arameans. Shame on you.
@@qwefhj3011 This is mostly correct but there is a major mistake that acting like Kurdish minority in Turkey lives in eastern Turkey due in reality they don't, in fact 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish population live in WESTERN Turkey not eastern Turkey and the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj, Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! This wasn't much different during Ottoman nor early republic era so because two nations were always so mixed Turkey also considered them as citizens nor there was ever a Kurdish rebellion for independence. There are some ''historians'' trying to show Sheikh Said rebellion as a Kurdish rebellion while in reality it was an ISLAMIST rebellion for bringing back the CALIPHATE!! Ottoman caliphate never ever considered Kurds as Kurds, Turks as Turks, Arabs as Arabs rather called all Muslims just Muslims. So Kurdish people didn't feel like they were a minority in a foreign empire rather felt like it was their own empire as well. And it is also why they refused western promise of an independent country during WW1. After Turkey was established depending on a nationalist system and it's citizens were called Turkish same as France, Spain, Russia etc etc they felt like they were loosing their rights even if they were still full citizens and there was never anti-minority laws in Turkey like anti-black laws in US and South Africa or anti-aborigine laws in Canada and Australia. So they rebelled for bringing back the caliphate behind Sheikh Said and even today a significant part of Kurdish population (Around 40%) still believe Islamic system is better and vote for AKP party!! I know this is a simplified channel and more for fun than information but sadly even very dedicated channels are doing same mistakes that comparing Kurdish region of Turkey with Scotland, Catalonia, Brittany etc and acting like they weren't simply allowed to become independent like those places but the reality is a lot complicated than that...
Anakin British: We are fighting together with Armenians, French and Italians against Turks. Padme Kurd: We are outnumbered, we will beat the Turks, right? Anakin British: ... Padme Kurd: We will beat the Turks, right?
2.11 “some delicious oil money” NO! All of that delicious oil money (Which was less than %10 of the total oil income) was accounted for the debts of the Ottoman Empire.
This is mostly correct but there is a major mistake that acting like Kurdish minority in Turkey lives in eastern Turkey due in reality they don't, in fact 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish population live in WESTERN Turkey not eastern Turkey and the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj, Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! This wasn't much different during Ottoman nor early republic era so because two nations were always mixed Turkey also considered them as citizens and there was never a Kurdish rebellion for independence. There are some ''historians'' trying to show Sheikh Said rebellion as a Kurdish rebellion while in reality it was an ISLAMIST rebellion for bringing back the CALIPHATE!! Ottoman caliphate never ever considered Kurds as Kurds, Turks as Turks, Arabs as Arabs rather called all Muslims just Muslims. So Kurdish people didn't feel like they were a minority in a foreign empire rather felt like it was their own empire as well. And it is also why they refused western promise of an independent country during WW1. After Turkey was established depending on a nationalist system and it's citizens were called Turkish same as France, Spain, Russia etc etc they felt like they were loosing their rights even if they were still full citizens and there was never anti-minority laws in Turkey like anti-black laws in US and South Africa or anti-aborigine laws in Canada and Australia. So they rebelled for bringing back the caliphate behind Sheikh Said and even today a significant part of Kurdish population (Around 40%) still believe Islamic system is better and vote for AKP party!! I know this is a simplified channel and more for fun than information but sadly even very dedicated channels are doing same mistakes that comparing Kurdish region of Turkey with Scotland, Catalonia, Brittany etc and acting like they weren't simply allowed to become independent like those places but the reality is a lot complicated than that...
@@uvaxstra7275 I don't know where you read Turkey said 20 million but in reality Turkey never declared an exact population number simply because it can't as Turkey never asks if a citizen Kurdish, Turkish, Georgian, Laz, Greek etc!! And those estimates simply done by following their origin. For example person A was born and lives in Istanbul while his grandfather was from Hakkari with a Kurdish name then he is assumed Kurdish. This is how there are estimates changing from 15 million to 20 million and most accept as 18 million the most accurate but in reality perhaps person A has a Turkish father and considering himself Turkish then he should be considered in Kurdish minority? And this problem is a lot common than you think due there are over 2 million marriages between Kurdish and Turkish people today so it is pretty much impossible giving an exact population number unless the government starts asking if people consider themselves as Kurdish, Turkish etc and document that information but then there will be a discrimination fear so Turkey never did such a thing!! What we know for sure there are around 6 million Kurdish people living in southeastern region of Turkey while the rest of Kurdish population live all around Turkey which could be around 12 million, 15 million like you claim or actually 10 million. And the opposite is also true that there are Turkish people living in entire southeastern region as well. Some people like to defend ''Turkey is homogeneous'' nonsense while in reality it has one of the most mixed population...
whyy when i play eu4 my first goal is convert all foreign cultures even in the same culture group then countiue playing it realy disturbs me when foreign cultures in my country
EU4 culture mechanics actually resembles real ones. You have a certain core culture, a few accepted cultures that are central parts of your empire, and unaccepted ones. Ottomans were pretty similar in this case. Turkish was the (debatable) primary culture of the empire, and she was very tolerant against Greeks, Rums, Serbians, Bulgarians, Armenians, Kurds and Arabs(well, majority of the highest ranks were non-Turk; on the contrary, they were of these cultures) and there were unaccepted ones like Bosniaks, Croats, Hungarians, and some other peoples. Converting them, even though not in long term as we have seen in history, would be waste of time and resources (a.k.a. mana points). In EU4, it's the same, you spend bird mana for a long-term investment. People won't revolt and the province will be a more integrated part of the empire, but you spend a great deal of mana to do this.
I am kurdish and we managed to become a semi vassal state in the iraq part after the fall of saddam husein when America attacked iraq, we also tried to become independent by holding a referendum but even though the vast majority of kurds voted yes for independence other countries didn’t let it happen and an economic crisis happened shortly after due to the lowered oil prices from 100$ per barrel to
According to the 1926 treaty of England and Turkey, if an independent Kurdish state is established in Iraq, if Mosul and Kirkuk are separated, the Turkish government has the right to intervene.
They really don't. There is less than 2 million of them and they are concentrated right on the Turkish Syrian border. Compare this with the roughly 15 million Kurds in Turkey and you can see why they are rarely talked about.
Well to be fair it is the smallest out of the four Kurdish communities in the region, and not much interesting happened there until the 2010s aside from the events in Turkey spilling over occasionally.
Im not so interested in Thai history but while reading a book about Ataturk, i saw that Mongkut und Chulalongkorn revolutionised the country and defended it against emperialism. If that'll help, maybe researching those guys might be helpful
your videos are so informative!please enable captions/subtitles in English so we don't miss a word!by the way love from iran❤and cover what happened to kurds during iran-iraq war it was really brutal
I’m confused about how this relates to making cheese. You have to separate the Kurds and whey at some point before baking on the rind... not totally sure
I most like my Kurds with banana, maple syrup, or sweet woodruff syrup. But I guess now I understand, why neither Turkey nor Iran nor Iraq nor Syria want to let go of them... no cheese without it right?
Currently Iraqi Kurdistan enjoys a wide range of antonomy, however when a few years ago they voted on independence, the Iraqi government threatened them with war and also demanded to give up the terrritories they took during the fight against ISIS. The Kurds compelled. As for Syria, well that's even more complicated with Turks occupying much of the northern border regions, to stop the Kurdish attacks. In response the self declared Rojava antonomous region (which began as a Kurdish - Arab revolt against president Assad) made a pact with the Syrian government, and much of their territory is now also jointly controlled by the Syrian military. The Kurdish question is basicly the Balkan of the Middle East.
@@isajloskidarko Except for the fact that you're wrong. Kurdistan is a people unable to have their own state, and North Macedonia is a bunch of people larping for classical Greece as Slavs.
@@dekapemptou 🤣 define Greek...please :) That never meant ethnicity, it meant cultural or religious group of people.Things change when Nation states are being created in the 19th century. According to your first constitution of the 19th century when the Greek state was formed, Greek means every orthodox Christian who lives in the newly formed country of Greece, or every orthodox Christian who lives on a land that will be concurred by Greece in future, and every Muslim that will convert into Christianity. Stay safe my orthodox brother
Fun fact: Kurdistan is (technically) a nation. A nation is technically just an ethnic group that wants sovereignty (if I remember correctly). A country/state is an internationally recognized sovereign land. Kurdistan is a stateless nation
Historically speaking, Kurds as a tribal nation failed to properly coordinate with eachother and only managed to establish small emirates which were subjugated by much larger empires of Turkic or Arab origins... also Kurdistan itself is a landlocked region not very functional for a potential country
This is correct as a lot of times the Arabic or Iranian kingdoms (and the Ottoman Empire,) they outnumbered the Kurds by a lot and so from there the Kurds wouldn’t be able to gain independence for over 1000 years, the only real “Kurdistan” was the Kurdistan after the bedirhan Bey’s revolt, even though didn’t even last 20 years. The second example of a “Kurdistan” is the Kurdistan region in Iraq which has tried but failed getting independence and has been suppressed a lot from its existance.
Yes sykes-picot agreement, an agreement for a stable middle east turn into chaos. People who shouldn't live tgt are in the same country and those who are suppose to get their own nation did not
@@TheRatsintheWalls what? the standard for europe doesn't only consist of western europe. eastern europe (russia, ukraine, the balkans etc) is just as much european as the west (britain, germany, france etc.). i understand the vision of europe most people have is heavily biased towards the west, but saying the ussr wasn't really european is stretching it a bit too much
Because it is very much a modern issue. Talking about the present day, as in stuff that is happening right now, means it's not really "history" anymore, is it? It's an ongoing issue.
@@shovshov197 >Doesn't live here thinks everyone is racist lmao I'm Turkish but I have kurdish in me I've only been bullied by my appearance once and it was a kurdish guy
I’ve been watching your videos for a long time, and when this video was recommended I was really happy, glad you make videos about minorities like us Kurds to make sure more and more people know about our struggles. Although nowadays Kurdish politics isn’t as straightforward.
The borders between Iran and the Ottoman empire were finalized way before WWI. It was a long process started in 1502 from the rise of Safavid dynasty and ending in early 1800s with treaty that almost finalized the western borders of Iran. Tgere was a minor territorial exchange in 1930s but it was negligible
As a Spaniard, I resent your version of my country wanting to make Catalonia "Spanish". Catalonia has been part of our country since its origins under the Catholic Monarchs. We are indeed a messy and diverse nation where several languages are spoken (such as Euskera in my Basque Country). Unfortunately we also have separatist advocators in several of our regions, above all mine and Catalonia. So I'd appreciate it if foreign observers such as yourself don't try adding oil on our fire, please, History Matters. We aren't Spain without Catalonia!!
James Bisonette is actually an Anagram for Erdoğan (when written in Turkish). Yes thats right, History Matters is mainly financed by the Turkish President himself.
Yes, nations are unnessecary to reserve a culture. Kurds didn't have country other than a few tribal kingdoms but they still have their own culture and language. Same with laz people, Yazidis and many more.
@@bars6937 On the other hand you've got the Polabians, Pruthenians, Ainus (if we talk lanugage moreso than the culture as a whole) or Karelians. Sure, a nation is not required for a culture to _survive_ but it undoubtedly helps it flourish.
@@neues3691 If country A exists, then county B loses a little bit of it's land. That's literally it. It's just greed and oppression, stop trying to justify it.
Great concise video as always, but you forgot to mention that a major reason is that Kurdistan is landlocked. In the recent chaos in Syria and Iraq they could have (and kind of did) declare their own state on the territory of those countries - but everyone around them announced a blockade, so they gave up. If they had free waterways or airways to the rest of the world, they would probably have a state now, albeit without the Turkish and Iranian portions.
@@RediClum Zaten türkler bizim başımızın belası ulan birçok toprak sizin balkanlardan kafkaslara.Gücünüz yetiyorsa oradada hak iddia edin qm.Ama göreceksiniz bu sefer bizi din üzerinden kandıramayacaksınız.
@Sewblon I wasn't aware that 100% of the neighbors of Switzerland or Armenia want them gone. They have always had at least one amicable neighbor. Kurdistan has zero, and that's a big problem when you're landlocked.
Two problems other comments have mentioned would be a lack of coastline if they did succeed (meaning they'd be dependent on others regardless), and a lack of unity between the Kurds in the places they inhabit. It's unfortunately unlikely that they could get a state due to the latter, and unlikely it would be prosperous and independent given the former.
So proud that Kurds have been able to keep our language, culture, traditions and heritage alive all these years even without our own land or being internationally recognized. Kurdistan may not be a nation "on paper", but it will forever be a nation in the fierce hearts of our people ❤️
@HFTOrgy _ it's quite common to see different familias of Kurds even in Turkey not being able to communicate with each other. This the bane of a non standardized language
There are 5 kurdish languages and all are divided into many different dialects. Even if you unite dialects into one language you still end up with 5 distinct Northwestern Iranian languages. Kurdish languages have been in Western Iran and Northern Mesopotamia for almost 3000 years and that's why they are so diverse.
As a Kurdish person, I would like to thank you for making this video. But you never mentioned that Kurdistan is now a separate region in northern Iraq with local Kurdish government.
Essence, I am Iraqi, while Kurdistan region in Iraq enjoys full autonomy, it is still part of Mesopatamia (I don't even want to call the region Iraq, cause it seems to spark a nationalistic fire, which I am against anyway). Be proud Kurdish first, and be proud Mesopotamian second. If Iraqi Kurdistan loses its prefix, do you think Turkey or Iran would just let it be? Even the mighty Peshmerga (whom I consider heroes) would be overwhelmed. However, with the back up of Iraq, Kurdistan can enjoy autonomous control over its region. Honestly, though, I would prefer us to be one nation, where we have elections every 4 years, and every 3rd president MUST be Kurdish. What are your thoughts on this?
@@f4wnz132 u can say Kurds are kinda traumatized and will never want to be called Iraqi due to what Saddam did, the thing is, put yourself in their position, would u want to be ruled by the countries and the nations ( not all of them ) that clearly don't want your presence ?, i mean there are still people in iraq that support what saddam did, Turkey just openly says "if kurds built an independent country even on mars, we will destroy it", according to UN, every nation has the right to be independent if that is what they want
@@abushwarb3528 My brother, there is always bad people wherever you go. Can you honestly say that not a single Kurdish person is bad? No. Turkey is a racist nation. Iraq isn't. If I were to write the constitution of Iraq, I'd make it so every third president HAS to be Kurdish, since they make up about 25-33% of the country. I'd still give Kurdistan full autonomy, but I'd make it a requirement to put up Iraqi flag next to Kurdish flag. I'd also make it a requirement to study conversational Arabic in Kurdish schools and teach Kurdish in Arabic schools (a lot of them already teach Kurdish in Baghdad). Either way, lots of love and respect out to every Kurdish brother and sister. What Saddam did to Halabcha was not okay. Most Iraqis are not okay with it. My say on it is, be a proud Kurd first, and proud Iraqi second. Not happy calling it Iraq? Cal it Mesopotamia, cradle of civilizations, where everyone belongs 😀
@@f4wnz132 of course not every kurd is good, but that is another topic, we are talking about an opressed nation here, a nation that was originally planned to be independent by Britain, and USA, and a nation thathas been stripped of their rights to be independent. what your talking about is a perfect world, sadly that's just a fantasy, you could make learning arabic or putting iraq's flag next to kurdistan a requirment, and that's okay as long as the people want to, but it's all up to the people, they don't want it, they have the right to be independent, that is what democrasy is about, if u impose laws upon people who don't want it, you become a dictator, sadly again, what i am talking about is also a perfect fantasy world, because even USA, a country that strongly supports democrasy, would never do such thing, so what is the best option for now ??, i would agree with you here, kurds must keep independence for later, once peace is established with neighbouring countries, until the neighbouring nation finally agree to an independet kurdistan, peacfully, may allah do what is best, much love from a kurd
@@abushwarb3528 You've raised good points there. I truly think in order for Kurdistan to become a prosperous nation, Kurdistan would need to unite. Kurdish people in Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria would have to become one, and Kurdistan needs to be this large nation otherwise it's always under threat from Turkey and Iran, and very possibly Iraq. Anyway man. If you ask me, fuck borders... fuck nationalism. Both ideas are there to divide us, weaken us, create racism, poverty, pride, ego and division. Borders tend to benefit a few people in political positions, while the rest of the people are given a false pride that they are part of something big and powerful (and to an extent, that might be true) but the reality is, it is not going to be for the common good. I have seen an Iraqi cuss at a Saudi (YT comments) telling him that his country is only been around for 300 years, like as if it is a competition. Instead of thinking "I am a human being, your brother, and I am here to serve you and our community," nationalism makes them fight about who's best. Again, perfect world ideas, I know, but still valid points.
I feel like the only reason we support Kurdistan now is because we see them as being in opposition to "Muslim militancy" in the region rather than actually caring about them
Well, except nobody really supports them at all. They're just being used - for exactly that reason, and arguably for destabilizing the governments in the countries which they happen to reside in.
I've met a few Kurdish people here in America, they're very decent folks I hate how they've been treated. I'm specifically talking about the ones that I've met.
That's a good enough reason to support them. I mean look, it's a large population of people in the middle east who are predisposed to many things western nations value - secularism, human rights and not hating on the west! It's a no brainer they should be close allies and indeed the west would do well to back them in building a nation-state
@@batuhanyayla7214 it’s not true bro, a Kurdish person is only equal if he becomes fully Turkish and forgets his Kurdish identity, like there’s no official signs in Kurdish language to this day in turkey, Iraq is better for Kurds than turkey 100%, in Iraq Kurdish is recognised as an official language in turkey this will be impossible
@@mikeriley3556 malesef turkiye cok esitlikci bir yapida degil bende escinselim ve hukumet bizi teror orgutu olarak goruyor yani ne demek istedigini anlayabiliyorum
@@mikeriley3556 Turkish= the citizen of Turkey. Kurds are already fully Turkish. These terms matter. Kurdish isn't banned in Turkey and people are free to speak Kurdish. I don't know where you got that misinformation from.
this case is only correct for english language. -istan means "realm" in persian. even european country names can end with -stan, such as bulgaristan (bulgaria).
By Ladyboyland giving land away. Ironic. "They can't take our land, because we give it to them in installments until their empires fall and we still have a bunch of land left!"
I just met a man who fixed my car at his auto body shop. I noticed he had an accent and asked where he was from. He said "Kurdistan", "have you heard of it" I said "yes" Nicest guy in the world, very professional. Just watching videos on where these very polite and driven people come from. on to the next video, I love kurds.
@@atakurt4247 I know kurdistan is the name of the reagion. Unfortunetly kurdistan is refered as the northern iraq today, but in this video kurdistan is a country with clear borders. I said so called to avoid confusion. Not knowing my mother tongue hurts me too, but the reasons i don't want a kurdistan in turkey are not to blame for it.
@@iaw7406 Because Atatürk founded turkey, and i stand by the things he stood by. He was one of the greatest people that ever lived in my mind. I'm not pleased by the current system and everything( i really hate erdoğan), but i never thought i would abandon my country, i see it as atatürk's legacy. There are more reasons, but primarly because of him.
@@serhatbakr8283 how could you possibly agree with the turkish identity ? They forcibly islamised many people and forged a new false identity. Most people in turkey are not of turkic origin. Turkey SUPPORTS genocide against the Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians who had lived there for millenia.
As Ukrainian I can relate to this, as if modern Ukraine was split between ruzzia, Turkey and Poland if all members of splitting were the warmongering powerhouses. I admire the fight for independence among Kurdish people
the fighting for independence, you mean kidnapping children and running drug trade to fund stuff like bombing civilians and killing more kurds than turks? thats not a fight for independence bro, you have been brainwashed, thats just terrorism.
yeah until you realise hat they want the lands to smuggle illegal substances easier and most kurds are ok with the current situation, only extremists want war
No need to imagine this in modern times, that's almost all of Ukraine's history anyway. There's some irony that ukrainians were denied of their unified state, but eventually got it; meanwhile kurds were promised to have one, but they didn't receive it…
Also there is this matter: Kurds in Turkey (where more than %50 of Kurds live) are mostly integrated into the Turkish society. Today, Istanbul has the biggest Kurdish population in the world, despite Kurds making a small percentage of it. Kurdish is mostly only spoken by old people or in rural areas, even in Kurdish majority cities. Therefore, Kurds are seperated among themselves. %50 of them (mostly conservative or assimilated ones) are happy with the Turkish state, and %50 want either autonomy or independence. Also, Eastern Anatolia is crucial for Turkey's survival and Turkey is crucial for Kurds' survival. Region is already pretty poor even with Turkish gov.'s investments (like Southern Anatolia Project) and without money flowing from Eastern Turkey, it'd be much poorer, I believe, and there is also the matter of them being a feudal society before the reforms by Turkish gov. which angered some of them. While Turkey needs Eastern Anatolia, because firstly its mountainous terrain makes Turkey a literal castle, and also they can control the water of Syria and especially Iraq, because their rivers start in Eastern Anatolia. I don't know much about Syrian, Iraqi and Iranian Kurds tho.
@ bruh. We live in turkey and see theese ourselfs. Everything he said is true. I have many friends which most of em kurdish, did not support the idea of independent state.
Bullshit. You can't tell me these people don't want their own land just because they're afraid the Turks will kill them all if they try to gain independence.
@ why wouldnt we treat them well in turkey. They live like we do. Poor ones are poor like we are, rich ones is rich like we are.. You got some juicy media lie shit my friend
@ Yes everything is Turkish propaganda. The fact that Kurds live well integrated in Turkey is also a propaganda, the fact that nobody speaks kurdish anymore is a propaganda, the fact that Kurds in Turkey don't want a wartorn rumpstate is a propaganda, the fact that Kurds want to loose their access to the Mediterranean and the economic benefits of Turkey is a propaganda, the fact that most Kurds are moving to western Turkey specifically to Ankara, İzmir and İstanbul is also a propaganda, the fact that most want autonomy rather then independence is a propaganda, the fact that they themselves don't like PKK is a propaganda, the fact that the majority of the Kurdish landowners are islamists rather than commie LGBTQQEYAHANDSKAB+ supporting feminists is a propaganda, the fact that a significant portion of the Kurds in Turkey vote for the Islamist scum AKP is a propaganda, the fact that there has never been a call for an independence referendum even by the Kurdish parties other than the small minority of PKK followers is a propaganda, the fact that many Kurds died in Syria, Iraq and Turkey proper against the PKK inside of TAF is a propaganda, the fact that Kurds and Turks actually live in peace in Turkey and the notion of racism being nearly non existant in daily life and social environment is a propaganda, the fact that many Kurds act as village rangers against the PKK in East Anatolia is a propaganda, the fact that the Kurds in Turkey actually like the comforts and opportunities that are provided to them in Turkey in contrast to Iraq, Syria and Iran is a propaganda, in short everything is propaganda and Turkey is North Korea 2.0 right?
1. The Chinese believed the whole world was Chinese & the land they didn’t control was just rebellious for most of modern history so they weren’t letting Tibet go 2. The Chinese believed the whole world was Chinese & the land they didn’t control was just rebellious for most of modern history so they weren’t letting Uyghuristan go 3. Chechnya has oil & gas deposits so Russia isn’t gonna let it go 4. Colonialism & Manifest Destiny, also the idea that the United Statsians were civilising the people by expanding into their territory
theres no native american states due to the fact that litterally all native american lands are in the center of the USA, meaning that they would be exclaves and wouldnt make sense unless a massive population move, also i bet most native americans want to stay in the USA despite historical tensions, they get their own "nations" inside of the US which basically act on their own besides upholding the US consitution. they can create their own laws etc.
God the amount of chaos that’s happened in the Middle East following the Ottoman collapse is extraordinary!
That's because the Ottoman empire overstayed its relevance into the modern era. Empires were cool in the medieval age. But then in the 19th century onwards, people groups started to get the idea of nation states, and started to identify more along ethnic lines than the empire. Same goes for Austria.
Chaos was always there especially during the Ottomans
Thinking otherwise is historical revision and pure lack of education
Middle East was always clusterf*ck. After Ottoman Empire's collapse that clusterf*ck surfaced again, and again, and again. Still clusterf*ck, and probably not gonna change in near future.
The effects still have impacts till this day
@@scglyn573 It was still a clusterfuck during the Ottoman Empire. They just put dissent down in the most violent ways possible.
“The Turks thought the treaty was too harsh and fought a war to retain their territorial integrity.”
Germany: Is it possible to learn this power?
That power is called sacrificing all you have for the motherland.
@@mehmetemirkaraaslan4339 Fatherland* We're not communists, we're kemalist nationalists
@@KarlMacmillann Search the meaning of motherland and fatherland. They are both ok for this situation. Motherland is not a word that only used by communists.
@@KarlMacmillann Mustafa Kemal fought against the Ottoman Empire. You can't be Ottoman Empire and be Kemalist at the same time.
@ I suppose you're quite ignorant about this topic, ataturk saved the ottoman empire from the treaty of sevres and gifted us a newborn republic if you're really want the reason that why ottoman Empire collapsed, just search lawrence of arabia and other rebels killing their own empire
You forgot the part where the brits still promised the kurds a free state in Northern Iraq until they found oil there...
Oil has nothing to do with anything in the Middle East. We didn’t even control the oil when we were in Iraq
In regards to Kurdistan it doesn’t exist primarily because it’s openly hostile to Turkey and no one is going to support a country that doesn’t exists that’ll make Turkey your enemy
@@nono114499 Nah World war 1 started because of the natinonalism of the powerful countries in the world. Everybody wanted to play a big a big role in the world and they wanted to be better than every other nation. But yeah oil had also a huge impact on the beginning of world war 1. Sorry for my bad english btw
@@nono114499 is there a source for this information?
@@ANTSEMUT1 yeah, simple history. And a bit of interpretation. Ottoman Prussian cooperation was the most direct threat for both the brits and the russians, like imagine all the oil trade belonging to Turkey and Germany at the begining of 20th century...
@@1CE. I'm talking back when the ottoman empire was carved up. Iraq was made a protectorate with the kurds being promised a separate state with supervision, as the British considered it to hold little value in directly controlling, as well as being naturally rebellious.
Then, they found oil, and the kurds were folded under the Iraqi protectorate, which by virtue of the colonial priority system, had to sell its goods to the British before any others, including the oil.
A sizable share of the British ww2 oil supply came from Iraq, btw.
Oil had literally everything to do with kurdistan's lack of independence at the time. Coupled with the success of ataturk's resistance, and the allied powers didn't want to risk pushing the turks into a Soviet or German sphere by supporting a Kurdish state, so that may have play a role as well.
Kurdistan: all of my neighbors don't want me to exist
Poland: ...that's rough, buddy
Israel : Amateurs
Avery
Why are you following me averywhere
I’ll see myself out
@@watson12yearsagoedited9 you mean Palestine
@@SomeguyonYT2-r4h nah fam
Country: exists
History Matters: why?
Country: doesn't exist
History Matters: why?
History Matters: Why does anything exist or not?
To be or not to be?
Yup these are the questions that keep me up at night too
Why does Antarctica don’t want to gain independence???
Nobody:
Country: exists
Country: doesn’t exist
History matters: why?
Kurdish plans to gain independence:
>Aquire James Bisonette’s funding.
This is quality!
Dude James Bisonette is funding like half the channels I watch.
Dude is the _patron_ saint of Educational RUclips
@@Jessie_Helms you’ve got great taste!
@@jamesbissonette8002 yeah we have 19 or 20 channels we’re mutually subbed to
This is mostly correct but there is a major mistake that acting like Kurdish minority in Turkey lives in eastern Turkey due in reality they don't, in fact 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish population live in WESTERN Turkey not eastern Turkey and the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj, Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! This wasn't much different during Ottoman nor early republic era so because two nations were always so mixed Turkey also considered them as citizens nor there was ever a Kurdish rebellion for independence. There are some ''historians'' trying to show Sheikh Said rebellion as a Kurdish rebellion while in reality it was an ISLAMIST rebellion for bringing back the CALIPHATE!! Ottoman caliphate never ever considered Kurds as Kurds, Turks as Turks, Arabs as Arabs rather called all Muslims just Muslims. So Kurdish people didn't feel like they were a minority in a foreign empire rather felt like it was their own empire as well. And it is also why they refused western promise of an independent country during WW1. After Turkey was established depending on a nationalist system and it's citizens were called Turkish same as France, Spain, Russia etc etc they felt like they were loosing their rights even if they were still full citizens and there was never anti-minority laws in Turkey like anti-black laws in US and South Africa or anti-aborigine laws in Canada and Australia. So they rebelled for bringing back the caliphate behind Sheikh Said and even today a significant part of Kurdish population (Around 40%) still believe Islamic system is better and vote for AKP party!! I know this is a simplified channel and more for fun than information but sadly even very dedicated channels are doing same mistakes that comparing Kurdish region of Turkey with Scotland, Catalonia, Brittany etc and acting like they weren't simply allowed to become independent like those places but the reality is a lot complicated than that...
You forgot the part where big countries only "care" about kurdish independence to be able to colonize the territory better.
thats a fact right there
Spitting facts
Its very cool to see a Western person who can see the things behind the curtain... Compare to the ones in America and other countries, these morons are joke.
@@dagayisi25 kekw so true
But if another country(like Iraq for example) control Kurdish supposed territory isn't that colonialism as well?
A minor note on the terminology: There is indeed a Kurdish nation ("a community of people formed on the basis of a combination of shared features such as language, history, ethnicity, culture and/or territory"). There is not a Kurdish state ("a centralized political organization that imposes rules and has a monopoly of the legitimate use of force over a territorially circumscribed population"). A nation-state is, as you said, a state built around a nation. Not all nations have states, and not all states are nation-states. These concepts are often used synonymously but as someone interested in political theory, I think it is actually really useful to delineate them :) (although language is of course never objectively "correct", but a matter of convention, and nowadays many people use the words interchangeably, but anyways).
totally agree
True its on a matter of convention but its also good that you are able to give specific definitions tha I could understand. I know there is some difference with the terms nation and state but its nice to have terms defined
We literally gave them a choice to be separate but they stayed because they needed that oil and money
@Clouds You are correct just because you settled in the mountains makes no difference
@Clouds no, they are not mix of “Turks and Persians” they were there before the Turks and lived along with the Persians but not “with” them, they formed Empires and Kingdoms and more, Turks were nomadic people actually
Literally started to laugh when I heard Woodrow Wilson wanted to do something but then didn't. His entire presidency and legacy in a nutshell.
When he said that, I was like, wait...Woodrow Wilson did something? 🤔 Then it turned out he didn't, and the world made sense again. 😉
Well he allowed the Federal Reserve to take over the American economy selling it to international bankers continually downgrading the value of the dollar for over one hundred years. He did that......
WIIIIIIILLLLSOONNN! - a certain RUclips historian
@@OriginalBongoliath who was in charge of us dollar before then?
Wilson actually helped Serbia acquire Vojvodina (southern Pannonian basin) for the first time ever after WW1. Up until then Serbia never crossed the Sava river.
During the Ottoman rule of the Balkans, many Serbs moved north across the Sava into Vojvodina which was then Austria-Hungary. Over the centuries, those migrations made it so that Serbs became the majority ethnic group in the region.
After WW1, which Serbia won and Austria-Hungary lost, influental scientist and Wilson's friend Mihajlo Pupin lobbied for the incorporation of Vojvodina into the new Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (later Kingdom of Yugoslavia), and with Wilson's help it came to be.
I can already see people respectfully arguing the living hell out of the comments section
Shut up jeff
Shut up Jeff
Stfu
Shut
Thank you Jeff for your trash opinion
Bring back the post-credit humorous messages please!
Yeah what happened to those?
Idk I loved seeing those
they were never funny
Yes they were
"It s all fun and games until Coke gets an aircraft carrier"
as a kurd who was born and raised in turkey, i don't know what to think about kurdistan. i mean, i don't even care about the having a national country. i may think that way because i'm assimilated, but i don't have any nationalism in me. i love turkey and yeah i'm fine with my life
Milliyetçiliğin modern dünyada yeri yok ya ondandır
👏👏👏👏👏
You Turkish, lies
I am not ok with that dude , and if i have had a chance i would fight for it
If you look out for your nation's interests and your heart resides with your country and all the people in it(except radical islamist arab wanna-be), then you're Turkish, pretty straight-forward
one big problem is that they lack a natural coastline which make them very dependent on their neighbours.
Isnt that the case with quite a few countries in the region including neighboring Armenia
@@gringopapi6985 Absolutely. But in contrast to Armenia, Kurdistan would start off with a -100 diplomacy malus with all of it's neighbours. Where would Israel be without its coastline?
@@gringopapi6985 armenia is the only one in the middle east that lacks a coastline (everyone else has at least a slimmer) but they have Russian backing.
@@karlheisenberg2857 and Even Armenia is kinda screwed by having Turks on two sides, they only have Iran, and an indifferent Georgia, for them
@@riograndedosulball248 Georgia actually also enemy to Armenia thanks to brilliant armenian foreign policy that constantly claiming the lands of their neighbors.
Because Milk-istan hasn't soured yet. 🥁
Lol
Well I don't imagine it would be a -stan since if I'm not mistaken (as in I typed "land" into Google translate) that's not what you call land in Kurdish or any other middle Eastern land.
I hate that I laughed at this
Get out!
@@thegamerkhan well the -stan suffix is of Persian origin really, and considering what happened to the Kurds in Iran before and Iraq and Syria now, they might use a different Kurdish language term. Keyword: might
The very unsurprising answer of "because WWI and the Cold War"
@@chronicthingz Mainly is because of ww1 and you can’t deny it
@@chronicthingz what about before Turks? I mean was there any kurdistan before as you call suppression by Turks? No. So this is not the reason
@@chronicthingz when were kurds brutally suppressed by persians ??? rebels all around the world will always be brutally supressed because its required for the health of any nation ! regardless if they are kurds or turks or persians...no rebelion ever was welcomed in any country ! but normal kurd people have been living in peace and harmony for thousands of years...besides other than language and culture...theres no such thing as kurd ppl genetically and there never has ever been a kurd nation, if any cultural minority in the region wanted to have a nation of its own...the region would be torn to peaces and that exatly what our enemies are looking for
Yes
@@flks7172 There wasn't any province that called by a nations name in any way in the east of Ottoman Empire.
As a kurdish this really hits hard.
we have our own language,culture, clothes, music, flag, history, food.
Yet no country at all and everyone mistakes us for (turks, persians and arabs)
I don't blame it on anyone it's just that we never had any support whenever we had our chances...
The fact that we (the US) kept the British-drawn Iraqi borders after we stomped on Saddam instead of splitting off northern Iraq into Kurdistan still strikes me as a disgrace and a lost opportunity. Yeah, it would've pissed off the Turks, but the Kurds in the area would've become a steadfast ally, our only one in the entire region other than Israel. Instead we eventually threw the Kurds under the bus and let them get run over by ISIS. What a farce, we should've done better.
in iran we dont mistake any of cultures like turks kurds , gilacks or anyothers! we are a nation and we need eachother to scape form this Isalamic repoblic... pls leave us for a while and let us to survive... then u can came and talk about your stuffs... .
I was in “Kurdistan” when I was deployed to Iraq. It was the only place I felt was safe in the entire country of Iraq. My interpreter was Kurdish and he was awesome. I had him procure my a Kurdistan flag that I proudly display in my office. Great people with a tragic history. I hope someday soon that they get a country of their own.
this is sad, honestly i wish my country (canada) would recognize you, but im sad to admit the government doesn't care about "people" they only care about the money that comes with it. and the glory. our government doesn't see that kurdistan deserves to be independent. i wish you kurdish people the best. not having a country for your people, even if you have a culture and everything. i hope iraq, turkey, iran, and any future country that will ever control kurdistan, realise that these people.. aren't theirs. but they should be independent. that was my talk, on the sad story of kurdistan. please know, i support your people.
@@nathanplays5514 come on maaan! dont blame your government! govs do what ever the people wants! if u hade a good education, good medical, good food varity and stuff... its because you want your gov keep force the other countries to stay where they were 100 years before ... you say how? by draining brains... blackmailing Oil and minerals, by ransoming politic points and milking the peoples who stood NOBLE and wont to do the same as you ! yes , if we had a piece of bread and a bowl of warm food, we pray for those who cant have this even! not like you howling for MORE and MORE ... and this is ouer mistake in middle east! BTW im an Iranian, NOT persian, but Iranian it means i recognize the KURDs as my people and brothers not because of political borders nor being part of the Iran borders, but cuz we have the same blood in our vessels... .
When are we going to see gladiatorial combat between James Bisonette and Kelly Moneymaker?
I wanna see this
One day this prophecy will happens
Riches don't fight, they pay people they dont know to do this ...
My money is on Sky Chappel
🤔
I kinda want you to do more of the "How the World Reacts to" Questions like Japan's Invasion of Manchuria or the Communists winning the Civil War and all that.
communist winning the civil war would be interesting
Japan : *invades Manchuria*
The world : "Oh no ...... Anyway"
“You aren’t supposed to do it but carry on”
If I'm not wrong, Japan was sanctioned for invading Manchuria, and nations like the US and Britain worsened because of this invasion futher isolating them which led to them joining the Axis, I'm sure that he mentioned this in his "Why did Japan join the Axis" Video
Perhaps the Ottoman reaction to the Nepoleonic wars?
The next question History Matters should answer: Who is James Bisonette?
Why does James Bisonette exist?
(Short Animated Documentary)
Will james Bissonnette restore the Babylonian empire by buying all of the middle east?
James Bisonette is the Philosophers from Metal Gear
"2020 and History Matters came down with a fatal case of getting sponsored by James Bissonette."
*thud*
"You don't exist"
*angry kurd faces*
Sheesh
Kekistan shall exist before K*rdistan
they dont tho
😂😂 nice content
Why would we be angry? We'll just laugh at your poor eyesight.
Im starting to believe that the allies had only their own interests in mind..
they always did
Whaaaaaaaat? Nooooooooo…
lol was this ironic? (bc to me it always seemed so obvious lol)
LoL brah you think ww1 or ww2 about the good guys fighting the bad guys ? Come on... you must be smarter than this...
@@Cataphracts_History ww2 was pretty morally clear but yeah there’s always background interests and motives for sending millions into graves
Great video, however you do leave out quite a bit of why Kurdistan was never created as unlike the examples you gave (Poland & Korea) there was no direct Kurdish state in the Middle East before the Ottomans and the Safavids. Yes, there were significant Kurdish rulers throughout history, but never a major state that had Kurds hold the reigns of power. You have to remember that the Kurds were a tribal people stuck between two competing Imperial powers, and with all people, they formed different political and ideological identities. Kurds in Turkey have vastly different religious and political beliefs compared to the Kurds of Syria, Iran, Iraq, and even in each country they have their own unique political/religious subdivisions. The Kurds are not a monolith which is heavily implied in Western media. How can any ethnic group be a monolith? You have religious Kurds, nationalistic Kurds, Communist Kurds, and Kurds who simply want to be a part of their countries political system. Some Kurds wish for an independent Kurdistan, and some Kurds would rather see improvement of Kurdish rights within their own country. This diverse set of beliefs within the greater Kurdish community is also a reason (on top of the reasons shown in the video) why Kurdistan does not exist today. Love the video and love all the work you do!
Ye we're 40m people, quite diverse
Because there is Oil and by creating a kurdish Puppet State the imperial Powers have easy access to the local Resources.
Poland experienced a similar issue: after being encompassed by 3 imperial powers, different parts of Poland developed radically different ideas on how the country should be run. Not to mention that Poles barely made 2/3 of the country's population.
One detail that was left out was that Iraq already grants autonomy for the Kurds, probably the only country to do so.
Damn, an actual normal response. +rep for this one
This is one of the most neutral and unbiased take on the Kurdish situation I've ever seen. You have my respect sir
Jews: get a country for themselves after ages.
Kurds: isn't it possible to learn this power?
Lol the west gave Israel to the Jews after the Second World War. They didn’t just take it.
@@loudmouf9246 Wdym "the west" only a single empire did
They had to fight to get and keep it.
Answer: have a strong lobby that influences US politics
@@itaybron again supported by the west.
Kurds: You have freed us!
UK: Oh, I wouldn't say freed. More like -
Turkey: *UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT*
Blame Britian who made 5 different useless Arab states but couldn't care for a single Kurdistan.
This video: exists
Turks: so you have choosen death
Truks
@@anl8244 truks are no more
And Iraqis witch is me🤗
I'm Turkish, I'm cool with it. It's an interesting historical topic.
no bruh, its just that "where kurds live" doesn't isn't equal to "where kurds are the majority" and this channel being so factual and all, I would have expected that to be addressed in the case of eastern anatolia. I'd like to point out that every time I play Turkey in HOI4, I give kurds local authonomy
The Middle East: the earliest battle royale server known to mankind
LMAOOOOOOOO!!!
Later came the Balkan Hardcore Server
@@akramgimmini8165 I would say the Balkans in smaller scale since in the middle east usually great empires that clashes, while in the Balkans mostly ethnic groups that created kingdoms empires countries thus their war in smaller scale but destructive ofc.
Winner, winner, couscous dinner.
Does that make the Libya the dlc
Kurds now: “can we have our own state now?”
Turkey, Iraq and Iran: “NO! Hey we actually agree on something!”
Kurds: ....its treason then
and syria aswell
@Özgür K. that’s different, the USA won a war and they moved the border as part of the peace treaty, and the USA paid Mexico $15 million for that land.
Edit: actually the better example would be: if the Native Americans asked to secede from the USA. I would be supportive of that because we treated them horribly for centuries… but I bet the government would be just as intractable as the ones in Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq too.
The kurds in Iran don't even want to be independent really.
@@DaDARKPass how do u know? U asked them?
Thank you about making this video.
Last time I was this early Sykes and Picot were still drawing random lines on a map with little regard for the people groups living there.
Oh believe me, it was intentional. The British and French didn't want stable central authorities. They wanted the Middle East to fight within themselves in order to expolit said geography.
The ottomans too didnt asked the people there before conquering the middle-east
@@the_feedle Lmao the Ottomans' rule was way more peaceful than what Arabs were and are capable of
@@cushpnk tell this to arabs and they will answer you otherwise
@@the_feedle Lmao the Arab world is in disarray as of now. The elite sell their countries' resources to the imperial power USA and the average Arab citizen gets fucked as a consequence.
as an Iranian persian, just wanna say I love all of our kurdish brothers and sisters regardless of what they think about iran. hopefully we can either settle our problems out and be united or go our own ways.
Iranian should united under the one banner, Iran, Kudistan, Afghanistan, Baluchistan and Tajikistan to become a superpower.
@@Xavier-fk7wm Interesting. Is there any future desire to do that? Perhaps with an economic union?
@@Xavier-fk7wm Afghanistan is more a part of the Indian sub-continent so an economic union with India(whenever India gets its shit together, not soon probably) is actually a possibility for Afghanistan.
good attitude to have, wish indonesia is more like this towards papua.
Thanks bro
It’s always a good day when History Matters uploads a new video.
Great, info loaded 3+ minutes, as always. A 20 second addendum to what happened in the aftermath of 2003 US invasion of Iraq, the overlap of IS and Syrian war and how all that raised hopes of Kurdistan and then again crashed to the ground would've made it complete.
There is a kurdish state in North Eastern Syria. That huge area of Syria isn’t controlled by Assad’s regime
And that Kurdish state isn’t going anywhere so cry about it
@@tylerclayton6081 would have disappeared if assad hadn't protected them against the kurds, imbècile
@@tylerclayton6081 That is not a Kurdish state. Americans armed and trained PKK terorists in civil war of Syria. They are not a state. Kurds are an ethnic race but they are not a single nation who has similar ideology and interests. Most of Kurds in Turkey want to stay as Turkish citizens and live in western cities of Turkey. After Gulf War 2 kurdish pashmerge group Talabani and Barzani fought for a decade. Syrian kurds has no ideology they are run by PKK terorists who are rebranded by USA as YPG or Syrian Democratical Forces.
Americans and Europeans try to create a nationalism conscous in kurdish populations and unite them. It is all to secure Israel’s position in middle east. They want to create a puppet proxy kurdistan.
But in anyway if a kurdistan built by seperation land from Turks Iranian and Arabs, it will be the biggest prison. Because that will be a land country which has no airzone and seaways to escape. And water sources, and all products should have been passed from hostile neighbours which is impossible.
@XbxbnWhdj 1000 senedir o moğollar sayesinde kral gibi yaşadınız. Şimdi amerikanın avrupalnın gazı ile atıp tutma. Türklerin tarihin en zayıf olduğu zamanda hiç bir şey alamadınız artık bugün hiç şansınız yok. Siz denizlere ancak Türk şehirlerinde tatil yaparken ya da çalışırken açılırısnız.
Cus it will never happen all four states will not allow it territory to be reduced for the sake of a certain ethnic group
The Kurds failed to gain the support of James Bisonett, that's why. Classic mistake.
We’ve made a huge lapse in judgement
theres a james bisonette shadow government obviously
This is mostly correct but there is a major mistake that acting like Kurdish minority in Turkey lives in eastern Turkey due in reality they don't, in fact 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish population live in WESTERN Turkey not eastern Turkey and the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj, Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! This wasn't much different during Ottoman nor early republic era so because two nations were always so mixed Turkey also considered them as citizens nor there was ever a Kurdish rebellion for independence. There are some ''historians'' trying to show Sheikh Said rebellion as a Kurdish rebellion while in reality it was an ISLAMIST rebellion for bringing back the CALIPHATE!! Ottoman caliphate never ever considered Kurds as Kurds, Turks as Turks, Arabs as Arabs rather called all Muslims just Muslims. So Kurdish people didn't feel like they were a minority in a foreign empire rather felt like it was their own empire as well. And it is also why they refused western promise of an independent country during WW1. After Turkey was established depending on a nationalist system and it's citizens were called Turkish same as France, Spain, Russia etc etc they felt like they were loosing their rights even if they were still full citizens and there was never anti-minority laws in Turkey like anti-black laws in US and South Africa or anti-aborigine laws in Canada and Australia. So they rebelled for bringing back the caliphate behind Sheikh Said and even today a significant part of Kurdish population (Around 40%) still believe Islamic system is better and vote for AKP party!! I know this is a simplified channel and more for fun than information but sadly even very dedicated channels are doing same mistakes that comparing Kurdish region of Turkey with Scotland, Catalonia, Brittany etc and acting like they weren't simply allowed to become independent like those places but the reality is a lot complicated than that...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 Can't deny this, I searched it up myself.
@@ggoddkkiller1342 WHY DO YOU NOT GET A JOKE
Wake up, babe, new History Matters video
Yes babe
*-y e s d a d d y-*
Thanks boo
I literally waked up and saw this video...
I got a question, yo: How did NATO and other Communist nations react to the Sino-Soviet Split?
See: the dancing through the flowers animation
Google it
pretty sure he already made that one
They already did it
They already did it
Im glad that a history channel did a through research about this matter. Great video.
The only channel where history just makes sense.
Amen!
But how about the history channel? 😏👽
Because here history actually matters, and not someone’s modern day agenda 😳
(I had to make a pun one way or another lol)
There are others
@@maddoxcindy5017 You do know that Kurdish people have a modern-day agenda of making a Kurdistan that never existed before, right? Lmfaoo
Ottomans: we’re taking your autonomy and replacing it with Ottonomy.
sadly it is not ottoman, it is osman actually. So Ottomans didn't use to call themselves ottomans. They were Osmanlıs. Yeah I know it doesn't work with your joke ^^
* Ottomony
@@metehanguler367 aga İngilizcede Osmanlı demek Ottoman demek o yüzden senin yaptığın Türkçe'yi İngilizce'ye geçirmek.
@@omerdonmez578 ben söylediğimi anlayıp yorum yaptığını düşünmüyorum, aga
@@metehanguler367 İngilizcede diğer her dilde isimler değişir. Misal Arnavutlar kendilerine Arnavut demez , sen dersin. Onlar Shqiptar der İngilizler Albanian der vs. O bakımdan hatalısın.
The amount of detail you include in the background images (and the accuracy) is truly commendable
Yes! Like the القدس sign
Actually i feel like a turkish people At least they accepted us into turkey Im not sad to be a kurdish people We are two nations and one state
My father is Kurdish and my mother is Turkish for me race is a stupid thing to worry about this is our nation not by blood but by hearth. In the what we call Turkish republic is by race only 20% Turkish its all mix greek arab slavs and many civilazations thats was once ruled these lands
@@belamras Nationalism on the basis of race is the most ridiculous thing in the world. Turkish nationalism is based on thousands of years of Turkish culture. That's why I disagree with your 20% statement. Because it might not even be that much. Turks have succeeded in integrating with the societies they are together with and bringing their culture to these places. In conclusion, the thought of at least a sane Turkish nationalist should be; instead of nonsense like our race is great, our race is superior, to live and keep alive the ancient Turkish culture, which you can find traces of no matter how far you go in history.
Okey dude but also a country is the land where a person receives education in his own language, learns his own history and culture and carries his own identity. There is education in mother tongue in more than 60 countries around the world. but Kurdish education is prohibited in Turkey. There can be only Turkish education and everyone has to carry a Turkish identity. If Turkey is also a country of Kurds, why do not Kurds have these rights? and why no Turks support to Kurdish education?
@@_j_8299 u are talkin about the countries are don't have any problem about getting revolt. In Turkey absolutely in middle east this is a big problem. Every genius people knows the real problem is not the Kurdish langague. and there is not an racism against kurds in turkey. Turks dont have any problem kurds. Turkey has a problem with PKK. Kurds langague problem is not main problem for PKK they only want to getting revolt in turkey with kurds. This is only one example
“Accepted us into Turkey“ are you insane? Kurds are INDIGENOUS to parts of Turkey‘s land, meanwhile Turks come from the farther east. We belong to this land. It’s our origin. We are not guests. Turks are. If anyone should have any rights over that land it’s Kurds, Assyrians & Arameans. Shame on you.
"It raises an obvious question,why?"
This is might be the coolest HM catchline.
"Then he died."
@@Katzian Caught a case of the deads
fun fact: no
It should be, “Why not?” though.
This channel has the impeccable ability to ask questions I have never thought of.
Oil money deal was more about Turkey giving up claims on Musul Vilayet in Iraq
Yeah it isn't simple as that including shekikh said uprising and stuff but it is a 3 min video so i would cut some slack lol
The oil money was a meager 10% for 25 years. It was more of a cosolation prize than an agreement.
@@qwefhj3011 This is mostly correct but there is a major mistake that acting like Kurdish minority in Turkey lives in eastern Turkey due in reality they don't, in fact 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish population live in WESTERN Turkey not eastern Turkey and the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj, Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! This wasn't much different during Ottoman nor early republic era so because two nations were always so mixed Turkey also considered them as citizens nor there was ever a Kurdish rebellion for independence. There are some ''historians'' trying to show Sheikh Said rebellion as a Kurdish rebellion while in reality it was an ISLAMIST rebellion for bringing back the CALIPHATE!! Ottoman caliphate never ever considered Kurds as Kurds, Turks as Turks, Arabs as Arabs rather called all Muslims just Muslims. So Kurdish people didn't feel like they were a minority in a foreign empire rather felt like it was their own empire as well. And it is also why they refused western promise of an independent country during WW1. After Turkey was established depending on a nationalist system and it's citizens were called Turkish same as France, Spain, Russia etc etc they felt like they were loosing their rights even if they were still full citizens and there was never anti-minority laws in Turkey like anti-black laws in US and South Africa or anti-aborigine laws in Canada and Australia. So they rebelled for bringing back the caliphate behind Sheikh Said and even today a significant part of Kurdish population (Around 40%) still believe Islamic system is better and vote for AKP party!! I know this is a simplified channel and more for fun than information but sadly even very dedicated channels are doing same mistakes that comparing Kurdish region of Turkey with Scotland, Catalonia, Brittany etc and acting like they weren't simply allowed to become independent like those places but the reality is a lot complicated than that...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 Why do you spam
@@levthemapperxd coz he right
Anakin British: We are fighting together with Armenians, French and Italians against Turks.
Padme Kurd: We are outnumbered, we will beat the Turks, right?
Anakin British: ...
Padme Kurd: We will beat the Turks, right?
Lol not gonna happen soon.
They did
2.11 “some delicious oil money” NO! All of that delicious oil money (Which was less than %10 of the total oil income) was accounted for the debts of the Ottoman Empire.
şapka
Are u Turk or Kurd
the real kurdistan is the friends we made along the way
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
This is mostly correct but there is a major mistake that acting like Kurdish minority in Turkey lives in eastern Turkey due in reality they don't, in fact 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish population live in WESTERN Turkey not eastern Turkey and the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj, Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! This wasn't much different during Ottoman nor early republic era so because two nations were always mixed Turkey also considered them as citizens and there was never a Kurdish rebellion for independence. There are some ''historians'' trying to show Sheikh Said rebellion as a Kurdish rebellion while in reality it was an ISLAMIST rebellion for bringing back the CALIPHATE!! Ottoman caliphate never ever considered Kurds as Kurds, Turks as Turks, Arabs as Arabs rather called all Muslims just Muslims. So Kurdish people didn't feel like they were a minority in a foreign empire rather felt like it was their own empire as well. And it is also why they refused western promise of an independent country during WW1. After Turkey was established depending on a nationalist system and it's citizens were called Turkish same as France, Spain, Russia etc etc they felt like they were loosing their rights even if they were still full citizens and there was never anti-minority laws in Turkey like anti-black laws in US and South Africa or anti-aborigine laws in Canada and Australia. So they rebelled for bringing back the caliphate behind Sheikh Said and even today a significant part of Kurdish population (Around 40%) still believe Islamic system is better and vote for AKP party!! I know this is a simplified channel and more for fun than information but sadly even very dedicated channels are doing same mistakes that comparing Kurdish region of Turkey with Scotland, Catalonia, Brittany etc and acting like they weren't simply allowed to become independent like those places but the reality is a lot complicated than that...
@@uvaxstra7275 I don't know where you read Turkey said 20 million but in reality Turkey never declared an exact population number simply because it can't as Turkey never asks if a citizen Kurdish, Turkish, Georgian, Laz, Greek etc!! And those estimates simply done by following their origin. For example person A was born and lives in Istanbul while his grandfather was from Hakkari with a Kurdish name then he is assumed Kurdish. This is how there are estimates changing from 15 million to 20 million and most accept as 18 million the most accurate but in reality perhaps person A has a Turkish father and considering himself Turkish then he should be considered in Kurdish minority? And this problem is a lot common than you think due there are over 2 million marriages between Kurdish and Turkish people today so it is pretty much impossible giving an exact population number unless the government starts asking if people consider themselves as Kurdish, Turkish etc and document that information but then there will be a discrimination fear so Turkey never did such a thing!! What we know for sure there are around 6 million Kurdish people living in southeastern region of Turkey while the rest of Kurdish population live all around Turkey which could be around 12 million, 15 million like you claim or actually 10 million. And the opposite is also true that there are Turkish people living in entire southeastern region as well. Some people like to defend ''Turkey is homogeneous'' nonsense while in reality it has one of the most mixed population...
So the angry turkish nationalists and Mukhabarat?
@@ggoddkkiller1342 u a liar
EU4 has taught me that converting a culture is usually a waste of your monarch points
whyy when i play eu4 my first goal is convert all foreign cultures even in the same culture group then countiue playing it realy disturbs me when foreign cultures in my country
My hand doesn't even go to change culture screen and as a Turk if I change kurdish culture to turkish I feel like I betrayed them
as u cant accept all cultures u have to make a bit
EU4 culture mechanics actually resembles real ones.
You have a certain core culture, a few accepted cultures that are central parts of your empire, and unaccepted ones.
Ottomans were pretty similar in this case. Turkish was the (debatable) primary culture of the empire, and she was very tolerant against Greeks, Rums, Serbians, Bulgarians, Armenians, Kurds and Arabs(well, majority of the highest ranks were non-Turk; on the contrary, they were of these cultures) and there were unaccepted ones like Bosniaks, Croats, Hungarians, and some other peoples. Converting them, even though not in long term as we have seen in history, would be waste of time and resources (a.k.a. mana points). In EU4, it's the same, you spend bird mana for a long-term investment. People won't revolt and the province will be a more integrated part of the empire, but you spend a great deal of mana to do this.
@@GamersUniverseOE there were 16 bosniak 18 georgian 3 serb 3 croatian 2 napolitian prime ministers in ottomans how they are unaccepted
I am kurdish and we managed to become a semi vassal state in the iraq part after the fall of saddam husein when America attacked iraq, we also tried to become independent by holding a referendum but even though the vast majority of kurds voted yes for independence other countries didn’t let it happen and an economic crisis happened shortly after due to the lowered oil prices from 100$ per barrel to
As a Turk, i can confirm
Rawaz Ben kürtleri severim ama emperyalistlerin köpekliğini yapanlardan nefret ederim.Müslüman kürt benim kardeşimdir.
According to the 1926 treaty of England and Turkey, if an independent Kurdish state is established in Iraq, if Mosul and Kirkuk are separated, the Turkish government has the right to intervene.
@@batuhankara672 source for this? sounds like bs
@@PIXELGamerzXvlogs ankara agreement 1926- Turkey England
Is nobody gonna talk about "Boogely woogely"?
Nope
:D
@@BoogilyWoogily it's the legend itself, right before our eyes! All hail our new lord and savior BoogilyWoogily!
Time Staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamp.
Why does Syria not come up at all? There’s lots of Kurds there.
Well frankly, Syria is a political mess - Probably History Matters if you asked him this
maybe because of the syrian civil war which he did not wanna mentions cuz he might get demonetized
*Assad*
**Worried money puppet**
They really don't. There is less than 2 million of them and they are concentrated right on the Turkish Syrian border. Compare this with the roughly 15 million Kurds in Turkey and you can see why they are rarely talked about.
Well to be fair it is the smallest out of the four Kurdish communities in the region, and not much interesting happened there until the 2010s aside from the events in Turkey spilling over occasionally.
When can we get a "Why was Thailand never colonized?"
Im not so interested in Thai history but while reading a book about Ataturk, i saw that Mongkut und Chulalongkorn revolutionised the country and defended it against emperialism. If that'll help, maybe researching those guys might be helpful
@@umuts-cut which book is that?
@@vlademir4281 Dahi Diktatör, Celal Şengör Hocamızın kitabı :D
@@umuts-cut teşekkür ederim .d
Thailand is a great and epic survivor
your videos are so informative!please enable captions/subtitles in English so we don't miss a word!by the way love from iran❤and cover what happened to kurds during iran-iraq war it was really brutal
@@arafatalwakeel5132 i hope same happens to you🤗❤
I’m confused about how this relates to making cheese. You have to separate the Kurds and whey at some point before baking on the rind... not totally sure
I most like my Kurds with banana, maple syrup, or sweet woodruff syrup. But I guess now I understand, why neither Turkey nor Iran nor Iraq nor Syria want to let go of them... no cheese without it right?
I usually just rind my extra kurdish friends to make my cheddar cheese, one of the pros of being kurdish.
The story of Wheyland is just as tragic as Kurdistan.
Exactly but the whey won’t let it go!!
Now, foreign bacteria is spoiling the batch and they gave to start over again. Get it?
Cheese isn't just cooked milk. You heat up cheese you get melted cheese not milk!
Currently Iraqi Kurdistan enjoys a wide range of antonomy, however when a few years ago they voted on independence, the Iraqi government threatened them with war and also demanded to give up the terrritories they took during the fight against ISIS. The Kurds compelled.
As for Syria, well that's even more complicated with Turks occupying much of the northern border regions, to stop the Kurdish attacks. In response the self declared Rojava antonomous region (which began as a Kurdish - Arab revolt against president Assad) made a pact with the Syrian government, and much of their territory is now also jointly controlled by the Syrian military.
The Kurdish question is basicly the Balkan of the Middle East.
I'm Macedonian...you are completely right.
Kurdistan is Macedonia in the Middle East
The biggest obstacle to a free Kurdistan is the divisions among the Kurds.
@@isajloskidarko Except for the fact that you're wrong. Kurdistan is a people unable to have their own state, and North Macedonia is a bunch of people larping for classical Greece as Slavs.
@@isajloskidarko You are Greek then?
@@dekapemptou 🤣 define Greek...please :)
That never meant ethnicity, it meant cultural or religious group of people.Things change when Nation states are being created in the 19th century.
According to your first constitution of the 19th century when the Greek state was formed, Greek means every orthodox Christian who lives in the newly formed country of Greece, or every orthodox Christian who lives on a land that will be concurred by Greece in future, and every Muslim that will convert into Christianity.
Stay safe my orthodox brother
I respect his attention to detail. At 1:34 he wrote “القدس” which translates to Jerusalem.
@yassi jass hahahahah nah only basics.
But he wrote “el” at first.
It's Al-Quds
@@whitelotusmember8664 Arabs write “Al” to starting. Ottomans won’t do it
Came to the comment section to check if someone had already spotted this (also wondering what Jerusalem has to do with the Kurds)
Thanks for the video. Great respect!
Incoming people claiming that us Turks are about to freak out - some of us are just normal people you know
Yeap... and also incoming people claiming they are turks and arguing in the commens for no reason...welcome to the youtube comments section!
"Some" ;)
Reisimiz giderse inş hepimiz normal olucaz
Jesus Christ calm down mate, it's just a RUclips Video.
Yes but since Erdogan the world is crossing fingers on how far he will go kinda like Trump or Bolsonaro.
Boogli-woogly, a new patreon! Almost as catchy a name as James bizonette!
Nobody beats James Bizanette
Way catchier than my name!
@@jamesbissonette8002 Repetition legitimizes
@@jamesbissonette8002 are you the real James bizonette? I'm such a big fan!
@@jamesbissonette8002 I bow respectfully to the OG :D
When he didn’t upload on Friday, I feared the worst. (No pressure man, just love your work too much, can’t stand anything happening you 👍)
Fun fact: Kurdistan is (technically) a nation. A nation is technically just an ethnic group that wants sovereignty (if I remember correctly). A country/state is an internationally recognized sovereign land.
Kurdistan is a stateless nation
Exactly.
Not just technically though, they ARE a nation, but as you already said, without a state.
*angry Iranian, Iraqi, Turkish, Syrian Noises*
But No Offence To my Kurdish friends
yeah they can be nation in their wet dreams
@@kubicix1265 yeah they are aliens
Kurdistan used to have an empire
Historically speaking, Kurds as a tribal nation failed to properly coordinate with eachother and only managed to establish small emirates which were subjugated by much larger empires of Turkic or Arab origins... also Kurdistan itself is a landlocked region not very functional for a potential country
the landlock argument is dumb imo
Armenia too is landlocked and it is very functional.
@@dragosstanciu9866 it lost the war and it's economy is in shambles
Even today, they can not orginize. Kurdish tribes are fighing each other in syria and Nort Iraq
This is correct as a lot of times the Arabic or Iranian kingdoms (and the Ottoman Empire,) they outnumbered the Kurds by a lot and so from there the Kurds wouldn’t be able to gain independence for over 1000 years, the only real “Kurdistan” was the Kurdistan after the bedirhan Bey’s revolt, even though didn’t even last 20 years. The second example of a “Kurdistan” is the Kurdistan region in Iraq which has tried but failed getting independence and has been suppressed a lot from its existance.
Me: Why there isn't a Kurdistan ye...
Turkey: No
Iraq: Hell No
No one wants it even half of the kurds. I wonder why europeans are so insist about it.
because turks knwo they will be used as puppet of Western Imperialist
@@KouNagai Assyrians want it because its their ancestral land Kurds occupy.
@@scintillam_dei Assyrians are legit a minority in their own so called “country”
Stop that bullshit
Road to 1 million, Ima loving this history channel because so much better.
You know the content's good when Charles the First is a patron.
Yes sykes-picot agreement, an agreement for a stable middle east turn into chaos. People who shouldn't live tgt are in the same country and those who are suppose to get their own nation did not
Sour grapes afoot.
0:40 "So what happens in order to cause changes? Well it was Europeans"
Since when have they *not* caused change wherever they go
moon
@@TheRatsintheWalls wdym doesnt count?
When we were too busy getting damaged by others and eachother, and only then.
@@TheRatsintheWalls what? the standard for europe doesn't only consist of western europe. eastern europe (russia, ukraine, the balkans etc) is just as much european as the west (britain, germany, france etc.). i understand the vision of europe most people have is heavily biased towards the west, but saying the ussr wasn't really european is stretching it a bit too much
@@TheRatsintheWalls it was european
Why wasn't the situation after the 70's talked of ?
Seriously, i love the content, but i feel like 3 minutes a week is too little.
Pkk was formed in 1970's and did their first attacks in 80's. (Pkk= Kurdish workers party)
@@fishy5288 in general, i really feel like there is too little content for a week.
Because it is very much a modern issue. Talking about the present day, as in stuff that is happening right now, means it's not really "history" anymore, is it? It's an ongoing issue.
@@omercanasik6 pkk= internationally recognised terrorist organisation
@@fishy5288 "there wasnt any notable action" yeah, them killing 10k civilians since 1980s isnt any notable I assume.
2:59 people have been wanting Kurdistan as an independent country in 2003 when the US invaded Iraq and 2017 when the Syrian Civil War was still raging
turkey be like: I missed the part where that's my problem
Lol
again Turkey: gonna cry?
@@ludwigvanbeethoven41 250 Jahre Beethoven.
Keep burning racist lmaoo
@@shovshov197 >Doesn't live here thinks everyone is racist lmao
I'm Turkish but I have kurdish in me I've only been bullied by my appearance once and it was a kurdish guy
Ah, an uncontroversial video that will surely have very civil and polite discussions in the comments section.
All moderators to action stations! This is not a drill!
History matters changed its video lengths from 10 minutes to 3 which raises the obvious question...why?
Lol
he answered this question in one of his q&a‘s
So he can spend more time reading out his patreon supporters
I’ve been watching your videos for a long time, and when this video was recommended I was really happy, glad you make videos about minorities like us Kurds to make sure more and more people know about our struggles. Although nowadays Kurdish politics isn’t as straightforward.
I already see the dust storm that the Turks have caused. Embrace for impact cause here comes the Turks!
Great video. Could you do one on why the 1st French Republic was so ineffective and chaotic that France welcomed Napoleon?
The borders between Iran and the Ottoman empire were finalized way before WWI. It was a long process started in 1502 from the rise of Safavid dynasty and ending in early 1800s with treaty that almost finalized the western borders of Iran. Tgere was a minor territorial exchange in 1930s but it was negligible
Mane we need like a 10 min version of this... for the 70s to present..
For sure!
As a Spaniard, I resent your version of my country wanting to make Catalonia "Spanish". Catalonia has been part of our country since its origins under the Catholic Monarchs. We are indeed a messy and diverse nation where several languages are spoken (such as Euskera in my Basque Country). Unfortunately we also have separatist advocators in several of our regions, above all mine and Catalonia. So I'd appreciate it if foreign observers such as yourself don't try adding oil on our fire, please, History Matters.
We aren't Spain without Catalonia!!
Castile + Aragon = Spain
british need to give freedom to catalans
They need James Bisonette to lead them.
@Erwin Rommel yes
James Bisonette is actually an Anagram for Erdoğan (when written in Turkish).
Yes thats right, History Matters is mainly financed by the Turkish President himself.
@@alexander1055 Based conspiracy theorist
@@alexander1055 no way!? 😳😳😳
@@alexander1055 LE GASP!!!!!!
It is no nation we inhabit, but a language. Make no mistake; our native tongue is our true fatherland. - Emil Cioran, Romanian Philosopher.
Yes, nations are unnessecary to reserve a culture. Kurds didn't have country other than a few tribal kingdoms but they still have their own culture and language. Same with laz people, Yazidis and many more.
@@bars6937 yaziids are kurds with different religion
@@xeon39688 No, not really. If you were to group them together with kurds like that that would be like grouping bosnians and serbians together.
@@xeon39688 Some *Yezidi agree with that, some do not
@@bars6937 On the other hand you've got the Polabians, Pruthenians, Ainus (if we talk lanugage moreso than the culture as a whole) or Karelians. Sure, a nation is not required for a culture to _survive_ but it undoubtedly helps it flourish.
One thing I have noticed is that the more controversial the topic of the video more views the video will get lol
True
Hmmmmmm *starts thinking*
I Just dont get why a country not existing has to be a controversial topic smh
@@neues3691 If country A exists, then county B loses a little bit of it's land. That's literally it. It's just greed and oppression, stop trying to justify it.
@@neues3691 Kurds Aren't Turkish, so they shouldn't be part of Turkey. What is so "controversial" about that?
im kurdish and i tell u why we are we not a country:
-betrayal
-we will never get together
100% your right
Great concise video as always, but you forgot to mention that a major reason is that Kurdistan is landlocked. In the recent chaos in Syria and Iraq they could have (and kind of did) declare their own state on the territory of those countries - but everyone around them announced a blockade, so they gave up. If they had free waterways or airways to the rest of the world, they would probably have a state now, albeit without the Turkish and Iranian portions.
Kurds don’t make the majority of the population in their "declared state" in Syria , they do in Iran Iraq turkey, however Syria is another story
Turkey claims rights when the territorial integrity of Syria and Iraq is broken. That's why they don't declare it.
@@RediClum Zaten türkler bizim başımızın belası ulan birçok toprak sizin balkanlardan kafkaslara.Gücünüz yetiyorsa oradada hak iddia edin qm.Ama göreceksiniz bu sefer bizi din üzerinden kandıramayacaksınız.
So then how do you explain Switzerland, Armenia, and all of the other land-locked states in the world?
@Sewblon I wasn't aware that 100% of the neighbors of Switzerland or Armenia want them gone. They have always had at least one amicable neighbor. Kurdistan has zero, and that's a big problem when you're landlocked.
Two problems other comments have mentioned would be a lack of coastline if they did succeed (meaning they'd be dependent on others regardless), and a lack of unity between the Kurds in the places they inhabit. It's unfortunately unlikely that they could get a state due to the latter, and unlikely it would be prosperous and independent given the former.
You can be landlocked and still be prosperous and independent. Just look at Switzerland and The Grand Duchy of Luxembourg.
@@SewblonThe difference is that none of their neighbours hate them to the core.
In an alternate universe,
History matters: why does Kurdistan exist?
So proud that Kurds have been able to keep our language, culture, traditions and heritage alive all these years even without our own land or being internationally recognized. Kurdistan may not be a nation "on paper", but it will forever be a nation in the fierce hearts of our people ❤️
That’s exactly why it is not an actual country
@@demir0392soooo.. having your own culture and LANGUAGE.doenst make you a country?
@@meerhasan9229 The idea of a nation defined by ethnicity was a recent invention and a mistake
The fact that the Kurdish speak different languages makes things harder too.
They don't... Most of them speak various dialects of the same iranic language
@HFTOrgy _ it's quite common to see different familias of Kurds even in Turkey not being able to communicate with each other. This the bane of a non standardized language
That does not stops Germany,Italy and Spain from existing,could count in several other countries in that to...
@@miraclemaker1418 türk müsün
There are 5 kurdish languages and all are divided into many different dialects. Even if you unite dialects into one language you still end up with 5 distinct Northwestern Iranian languages. Kurdish languages have been in Western Iran and Northern Mesopotamia for almost 3000 years and that's why they are so diverse.
You forget Iraqi Kurdistan, which is an autonomous region in Iraq that is ruled by Kurds, so technically they have their own state to a certain degree
As well as Rojava
There is also an autonomous Kurdistan in Iran
@@imcheeze115 No such thing as Rojava.
@@TuAFFalcon he said autonomous and Rojava is an actual region look it up syrian nationalist
@@TuAFFalcon found the turk
Do more about Yugoslavia please.
Do you want a war in the comment section?
Between the USSR and China, it's one of the most controversial topics in the world.
@@markghostproductions3697 yes, yes i do
@@markghostproductions3697 yes
You go Slavia!? Why are you cheerleading for Slavia¿ I don't see a chess match here.
@@scintillam_dei Yugo=South on Serbocroatian language. Yugoslavia=Southslavia
As a Kurdish person, I would like to thank you for making this video. But you never mentioned that Kurdistan is now a separate region in northern Iraq with local Kurdish government.
Essence, I am Iraqi, while Kurdistan region in Iraq enjoys full autonomy, it is still part of Mesopatamia (I don't even want to call the region Iraq, cause it seems to spark a nationalistic fire, which I am against anyway). Be proud Kurdish first, and be proud Mesopotamian second. If Iraqi Kurdistan loses its prefix, do you think Turkey or Iran would just let it be? Even the mighty Peshmerga (whom I consider heroes) would be overwhelmed. However, with the back up of Iraq, Kurdistan can enjoy autonomous control over its region. Honestly, though, I would prefer us to be one nation, where we have elections every 4 years, and every 3rd president MUST be Kurdish. What are your thoughts on this?
@@f4wnz132 u can say Kurds are kinda traumatized and will never want to be called Iraqi due to what Saddam did, the thing is, put yourself in their position, would u want to be ruled by the countries and the nations ( not all of them ) that clearly don't want your presence ?, i mean there are still people in iraq that support what saddam did, Turkey just openly says "if kurds built an independent country even on mars, we will destroy it", according to UN, every nation has the right to be independent if that is what they want
@@abushwarb3528 My brother, there is always bad people wherever you go. Can you honestly say that not a single Kurdish person is bad? No. Turkey is a racist nation. Iraq isn't. If I were to write the constitution of Iraq, I'd make it so every third president HAS to be Kurdish, since they make up about 25-33% of the country. I'd still give Kurdistan full autonomy, but I'd make it a requirement to put up Iraqi flag next to Kurdish flag. I'd also make it a requirement to study conversational Arabic in Kurdish schools and teach Kurdish in Arabic schools (a lot of them already teach Kurdish in Baghdad). Either way, lots of love and respect out to every Kurdish brother and sister. What Saddam did to Halabcha was not okay. Most Iraqis are not okay with it. My say on it is, be a proud Kurd first, and proud Iraqi second. Not happy calling it Iraq? Cal it Mesopotamia, cradle of civilizations, where everyone belongs 😀
@@f4wnz132 of course not every kurd is good, but that is another topic, we are talking about an opressed nation here, a nation that was originally planned to be independent by Britain, and USA, and a nation thathas been stripped of their rights to be independent. what your talking about is a perfect world, sadly that's just a fantasy, you could make learning arabic or putting iraq's flag next to kurdistan a requirment, and that's okay as long as the people want to, but it's all up to the people, they don't want it, they have the right to be independent, that is what democrasy is about, if u impose laws upon people who don't want it, you become a dictator, sadly again, what i am talking about is also a perfect fantasy world, because even USA, a country that strongly supports democrasy, would never do such thing, so what is the best option for now ??, i would agree with you here, kurds must keep independence for later, once peace is established with neighbouring countries, until the neighbouring nation finally agree to an independet kurdistan, peacfully, may allah do what is best, much love from a kurd
@@abushwarb3528 You've raised good points there. I truly think in order for Kurdistan to become a prosperous nation, Kurdistan would need to unite. Kurdish people in Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria would have to become one, and Kurdistan needs to be this large nation otherwise it's always under threat from Turkey and Iran, and very possibly Iraq. Anyway man. If you ask me, fuck borders... fuck nationalism. Both ideas are there to divide us, weaken us, create racism, poverty, pride, ego and division. Borders tend to benefit a few people in political positions, while the rest of the people are given a false pride that they are part of something big and powerful (and to an extent, that might be true) but the reality is, it is not going to be for the common good. I have seen an Iraqi cuss at a Saudi (YT comments) telling him that his country is only been around for 300 years, like as if it is a competition. Instead of thinking "I am a human being, your brother, and I am here to serve you and our community," nationalism makes them fight about who's best. Again, perfect world ideas, I know, but still valid points.
I feel like the only reason we support Kurdistan now is because we see them as being in opposition to "Muslim militancy" in the region rather than actually caring about them
Well, except nobody really supports them at all. They're just being used - for exactly that reason, and arguably for destabilizing the governments in the countries which they happen to reside in.
I've met a few Kurdish people here in America, they're very decent folks I hate how they've been treated. I'm specifically talking about the ones that I've met.
@@greenkoopa Look into how Kurds have treated and continue to treat Assyrians whose lands they occupy.
That's a good enough reason to support them. I mean look, it's a large population of people in the middle east who are predisposed to many things western nations value - secularism, human rights and not hating on the west! It's a no brainer they should be close allies and indeed the west would do well to back them in building a nation-state
@@scintillam_dei Keep Barking
The Ottoman Empire and Iran running from their problems would make a great reaction gif.
Loves and greetings from Ankara. As a Turk, I have no problem with no-one. I wish we all were able to live in peace
as a Kurd i wish there were more turks like you, peace
@@mikeriley3556 ther is look some people are racist I know but most of the population isn't we have the same rights in turkey
@@batuhanyayla7214 it’s not true bro, a Kurdish person is only equal if he becomes fully Turkish and forgets his Kurdish identity, like there’s no official signs in Kurdish language to this day in turkey, Iraq is better for Kurds than turkey 100%, in Iraq Kurdish is recognised as an official language in turkey this will be impossible
@@mikeriley3556 malesef turkiye cok esitlikci bir yapida degil bende escinselim ve hukumet bizi teror orgutu olarak goruyor yani ne demek istedigini anlayabiliyorum
@@mikeriley3556 Turkish= the citizen of Turkey. Kurds are already fully Turkish. These terms matter.
Kurdish isn't banned in Turkey and people are free to speak Kurdish. I don't know where you got that misinformation from.
If Kurdistan was real, it will be the only “Stan” country in Asia to be in the Middle East all the others are in Central Asia
Afghanistan and Pakistan are in South Asia.
I mean, Afghanistan is sometimes considered part of the Middle East.
this case is only correct for english language. -istan means "realm" in persian. even european country names can end with -stan, such as bulgaristan (bulgaria).
@@alpbartuakdemir6489 and majarestan (hungary, they call themselves magyar in Hungarian) and Engelestan (england, but we call UK englestan too lol)
Love to see this video made, what a time to be alive
The one video i wanted him to make and he finally did it 👏👏
can you do a vid on how Thailand avoided being colonized
By Ladyboyland giving land away. Ironic. "They can't take our land, because we give it to them in installments until their empires fall and we still have a bunch of land left!"
@Абдульзефир yeah I know but I just wanted to see what the he would say about it in a video
I just met a man who fixed my car at his auto body shop. I noticed he had an accent and asked where he was from. He said "Kurdistan", "have you heard of it" I said "yes" Nicest guy in the world, very professional. Just watching videos on where these very polite and driven people come from. on to the next video, I love kurds.
Funny. I knew an Armenian car repair guy who said Turks killed the Armenians and then "cannibals” (Kurds) took over their land.
@@greatguy2141 yeah the area around turkey is just an shithole of geopolitics, including turkey
I'm kurdish and from turkey. And i live in the so called kurdistan. And personally i don't want a kurdish state in turkey.
Why
I bet you don't even know Kurdish. The "so called" Kurdistan means "Land of Kurds", so ur not Kurd.
@@atakurt4247 I know kurdistan is the name of the reagion. Unfortunetly kurdistan is refered as the northern iraq today, but in this video kurdistan is a country with clear borders. I said so called to avoid confusion. Not knowing my mother tongue hurts me too, but the reasons i don't want a kurdistan in turkey are not to blame for it.
@@iaw7406 Because Atatürk founded turkey, and i stand by the things he stood by. He was one of the greatest people that ever lived in my mind. I'm not pleased by the current system and everything( i really hate erdoğan), but i never thought i would abandon my country, i see it as atatürk's legacy. There are more reasons, but primarly because of him.
@@serhatbakr8283 how could you possibly agree with the turkish identity ? They forcibly islamised many people and forged a new false identity. Most people in turkey are not of turkic origin. Turkey SUPPORTS genocide against the Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians who had lived there for millenia.
As Ukrainian I can relate to this, as if modern Ukraine was split between ruzzia, Turkey and Poland if all members of splitting were the warmongering powerhouses. I admire the fight for independence among Kurdish people
the fighting for independence, you mean kidnapping children and running drug trade to fund stuff like bombing civilians and killing more kurds than turks? thats not a fight for independence bro, you have been brainwashed, thats just terrorism.
yeah until you realise hat they want the lands to smuggle illegal substances easier and most kurds are ok with the current situation, only extremists want war
No need to imagine this in modern times, that's almost all of Ukraine's history anyway. There's some irony that ukrainians were denied of their unified state, but eventually got it; meanwhile kurds were promised to have one, but they didn't receive it…
@@youryoutubeyodasen çok şeyi bilmiyorsun
@@Xx_babanne_avcisi27_xXTurkish conspiracy theories are wild
Also there is this matter:
Kurds in Turkey (where more than %50 of Kurds live) are mostly integrated into the Turkish society. Today, Istanbul has the biggest Kurdish population in the world, despite Kurds making a small percentage of it. Kurdish is mostly only spoken by old people or in rural areas, even in Kurdish majority cities. Therefore, Kurds are seperated among themselves. %50 of them (mostly conservative or assimilated ones) are happy with the Turkish state, and %50 want either autonomy or independence.
Also, Eastern Anatolia is crucial for Turkey's survival and Turkey is crucial for Kurds' survival. Region is already pretty poor even with Turkish gov.'s investments (like Southern Anatolia Project) and without money flowing from Eastern Turkey, it'd be much poorer, I believe, and there is also the matter of them being a feudal society before the reforms by Turkish gov. which angered some of them. While Turkey needs Eastern Anatolia, because firstly its mountainous terrain makes Turkey a literal castle, and also they can control the water of Syria and especially Iraq, because their rivers start in Eastern Anatolia.
I don't know much about Syrian, Iraqi and Iranian Kurds tho.
@ bruh. We live in turkey and see theese ourselfs. Everything he said is true. I have many friends which most of em kurdish, did not support the idea of independent state.
Bullshit. You can't tell me these people don't want their own land just because they're afraid the Turks will kill them all if they try to gain independence.
@ How can you prove it? We live in Turkey and see it with our own eyes
@ why wouldnt we treat them well in turkey. They live like we do. Poor ones are poor like we are, rich ones is rich like we are.. You got some juicy media lie shit my friend
@ Yes everything is Turkish propaganda. The fact that Kurds live well integrated in Turkey is also a propaganda, the fact that nobody speaks kurdish anymore is a propaganda, the fact that Kurds in Turkey don't want a wartorn rumpstate is a propaganda, the fact that Kurds want to loose their access to the Mediterranean and the economic benefits of Turkey is a propaganda, the fact that most Kurds are moving to western Turkey specifically to Ankara, İzmir and İstanbul is also a propaganda, the fact that most want autonomy rather then independence is a propaganda, the fact that they themselves don't like PKK is a propaganda, the fact that the majority of the Kurdish landowners are islamists rather than commie LGBTQQEYAHANDSKAB+ supporting feminists is a propaganda, the fact that a significant portion of the Kurds in Turkey vote for the Islamist scum AKP is a propaganda, the fact that there has never been a call for an independence referendum even by the Kurdish parties other than the small minority of PKK followers is a propaganda, the fact that many Kurds died in Syria, Iraq and Turkey proper against the PKK inside of TAF is a propaganda, the fact that Kurds and Turks actually live in peace in Turkey and the notion of racism being nearly non existant in daily life and social environment is a propaganda, the fact that many Kurds act as village rangers against the PKK in East Anatolia is a propaganda, the fact that the Kurds in Turkey actually like the comforts and opportunities that are provided to them in Turkey in contrast to Iraq, Syria and Iran is a propaganda, in short everything is propaganda and Turkey is North Korea 2.0 right?
Why aren't there Tibet, Uyghuristan, Chechnya, Native american countries etc?
1. The Chinese believed the whole world was Chinese & the land they didn’t control was just rebellious for most of modern history so they weren’t letting Tibet go
2. The Chinese believed the whole world was Chinese & the land they didn’t control was just rebellious for most of modern history so they weren’t letting Uyghuristan go
3. Chechnya has oil & gas deposits so Russia isn’t gonna let it go
4. Colonialism & Manifest Destiny, also the idea that the United Statsians were civilising the people by expanding into their territory
@@rahandgShort answer to All: Greed.
@@rahandg "civilising"
wtf is a uyghuristan
theres no native american states due to the fact that litterally all native american lands are in the center of the USA, meaning that they would be exclaves and wouldnt make sense unless a massive population move, also i bet most native americans want to stay in the USA despite historical tensions, they get their own "nations" inside of the US which basically act on their own besides upholding the US consitution. they can create their own laws etc.