Why Isn't There A Kurdistan? (Short Animated Documentary)
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2021
- Kurdistan doesn't exist. At least not as an internationally recognised state. But why not? Given that there have been numerous opportunities for a Kurdish state to spring up, why didn't it happen? Why isn't there a Kurdistan? To find out watch this short and simple animated history documentary.
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“The Turks thought the treaty was too harsh and fought a war to retain their territorial integrity.”
Germany: Is it possible to learn this power?
That power is called sacrificing all you have for the motherland.
@@mehmetemirkaraaslan4339 Fatherland* We're not communists, we're kemalist nationalists
@@Atajew Search the meaning of motherland and fatherland. They are both ok for this situation. Motherland is not a word that only used by communists.
@@Atajew Mustafa Kemal fought against the Ottoman Empire. You can't be Ottoman Empire and be Kemalist at the same time.
@ I suppose you're quite ignorant about this topic, ataturk saved the ottoman empire from the treaty of sevres and gifted us a newborn republic if you're really want the reason that why ottoman Empire collapsed, just search lawrence of arabia and other rebels killing their own empire
You forgot the part where the brits still promised the kurds a free state in Northern Iraq until they found oil there...
Oil has nothing to do with anything in the Middle East. We didn’t even control the oil when we were in Iraq
In regards to Kurdistan it doesn’t exist primarily because it’s openly hostile to Turkey and no one is going to support a country that doesn’t exists that’ll make Turkey your enemy
@@nono114499 Nah World war 1 started because of the natinonalism of the powerful countries in the world. Everybody wanted to play a big a big role in the world and they wanted to be better than every other nation. But yeah oil had also a huge impact on the beginning of world war 1. Sorry for my bad english btw
@@nono114499 is there a source for this information?
@@ANTSEMUT1 yeah, simple history. And a bit of interpretation. Ottoman Prussian cooperation was the most direct threat for both the brits and the russians, like imagine all the oil trade belonging to Turkey and Germany at the begining of 20th century...
@@1CE. I'm talking back when the ottoman empire was carved up. Iraq was made a protectorate with the kurds being promised a separate state with supervision, as the British considered it to hold little value in directly controlling, as well as being naturally rebellious.
Then, they found oil, and the kurds were folded under the Iraqi protectorate, which by virtue of the colonial priority system, had to sell its goods to the British before any others, including the oil.
A sizable share of the British ww2 oil supply came from Iraq, btw.
Oil had literally everything to do with kurdistan's lack of independence at the time. Coupled with the success of ataturk's resistance, and the allied powers didn't want to risk pushing the turks into a Soviet or German sphere by supporting a Kurdish state, so that may have play a role as well.
You forgot the part where big countries only "care" about kurdish independence to be able to colonize the territory better.
thats a fact right there
Spitting facts
Its very cool to see a Western person who can see the things behind the curtain... Compare to the ones in America and other countries, these morons are joke.
@@benjaminflash1108 kekw so true
But if another country(like Iraq for example) control Kurdish supposed territory isn't that colonialism as well?
Kurdistan: all of my neighbors don't want me to exist
Poland: ...that's rough, buddy
Israel : Amateurs
Avery
Why are you following me averywhere
I’ll see myself out
@@watson12yearsagoedited9 you mean Palestine
@@loriscol-chambon5068 nah fam
God the amount of chaos that’s happened in the Middle East following the Ottoman collapse is extraordinary!
That's because the Ottoman empire overstayed its relevance into the modern era. Empires were cool in the medieval age. But then in the 19th century onwards, people groups started to get the idea of nation states, and started to identify more along ethnic lines than the empire. Same goes for Austria.
Chaos was always there especially during the Ottomans
Thinking otherwise is historical revision and pure lack of education
Middle East was always clusterf*ck. After Ottoman Empire's collapse that clusterf*ck surfaced again, and again, and again. Still clusterf*ck, and probably not gonna change in near future.
The effects still have impacts till this day
@@scglyn573 It was still a clusterfuck during the Ottoman Empire. They just put dissent down in the most violent ways possible.
Kurdish plans to gain independence:
>Aquire James Bisonette’s funding.
This is quality!
Dude James Bisonette is funding like half the channels I watch.
Dude is the _patron_ saint of Educational RUclips
@@Jessie_Helms you’ve got great taste!
@@jamesbissonette8002 yeah we have 19 or 20 channels we’re mutually subbed to
This is mostly correct but there is a major mistake that acting like Kurdish minority in Turkey lives in eastern Turkey due in reality they don't, in fact 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish population live in WESTERN Turkey not eastern Turkey and the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj, Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! This wasn't much different during Ottoman nor early republic era so because two nations were always so mixed Turkey also considered them as citizens nor there was ever a Kurdish rebellion for independence. There are some ''historians'' trying to show Sheikh Said rebellion as a Kurdish rebellion while in reality it was an ISLAMIST rebellion for bringing back the CALIPHATE!! Ottoman caliphate never ever considered Kurds as Kurds, Turks as Turks, Arabs as Arabs rather called all Muslims just Muslims. So Kurdish people didn't feel like they were a minority in a foreign empire rather felt like it was their own empire as well. And it is also why they refused western promise of an independent country during WW1. After Turkey was established depending on a nationalist system and it's citizens were called Turkish same as France, Spain, Russia etc etc they felt like they were loosing their rights even if they were still full citizens and there was never anti-minority laws in Turkey like anti-black laws in US and South Africa or anti-aborigine laws in Canada and Australia. So they rebelled for bringing back the caliphate behind Sheikh Said and even today a significant part of Kurdish population (Around 40%) still believe Islamic system is better and vote for AKP party!! I know this is a simplified channel and more for fun than information but sadly even very dedicated channels are doing same mistakes that comparing Kurdish region of Turkey with Scotland, Catalonia, Brittany etc and acting like they weren't simply allowed to become independent like those places but the reality is a lot complicated than that...
The whole Kurdistan thing is being locked in an apartment with someone who hates you and wants you to die but won’t let you leave either.
Yeah it is
A minor note on the terminology: There is indeed a Kurdish nation ("a community of people formed on the basis of a combination of shared features such as language, history, ethnicity, culture and/or territory"). There is not a Kurdish state ("a centralized political organization that imposes rules and has a monopoly of the legitimate use of force over a territorially circumscribed population"). A nation-state is, as you said, a state built around a nation. Not all nations have states, and not all states are nation-states. These concepts are often used synonymously but as someone interested in political theory, I think it is actually really useful to delineate them :) (although language is of course never objectively "correct", but a matter of convention, and nowadays many people use the words interchangeably, but anyways).
totally agree
True its on a matter of convention but its also good that you are able to give specific definitions tha I could understand. I know there is some difference with the terms nation and state but its nice to have terms defined
We literally gave them a choice to be separate but they stayed because they needed that oil and money
@Clouds You are correct just because you settled in the mountains makes no difference
@Clouds no, they are not mix of “Turks and Persians” they were there before the Turks and lived along with the Persians but not “with” them, they formed Empires and Kingdoms and more, Turks were nomadic people actually
Country: exists
History Matters: why?
Country: doesn't exist
History Matters: why?
History Matters: Why does anything exist or not?
To be or not to be?
Yup these are the questions that keep me up at night too
Why does Antarctica don’t want to gain independence???
Nobody:
Country: exists
Country: doesn’t exist
History matters: why?
This video: exists
Turks: so you have choosen death
Truks
@@anl8244 truks are no more
And Iraqis witch is me🤗
I'm Turkish, I'm cool with it. It's an interesting historical topic.
no bruh, its just that "where kurds live" doesn't isn't equal to "where kurds are the majority" and this channel being so factual and all, I would have expected that to be addressed in the case of eastern anatolia. I'd like to point out that every time I play Turkey in HOI4, I give kurds local authonomy
You know the content's good when Charles the First is a patron.
"You don't exist"
*angry kurd faces*
Sheesh
Kekistan shall exist before K*rdistan
they dont tho
😂😂 nice content
Why would we be angry? We'll just laugh at your poor eyesight.
Literally started to laugh when I heard Woodrow Wilson wanted to do something but then didn't. His entire presidency and legacy in a nutshell.
When he said that, I was like, wait...Woodrow Wilson did something? 🤔 Then it turned out he didn't, and the world made sense again. 😉
Well he allowed the Federal Reserve to take over the American economy selling it to international bankers continually downgrading the value of the dollar for over one hundred years. He did that......
WIIIIIIILLLLSOONNN! - a certain RUclips historian
@@OriginalBongoliath who was in charge of us dollar before then?
Wilson actually helped Serbia acquire Vojvodina (southern Pannonian basin) for the first time ever after WW1. Up until then Serbia never crossed the Sava river.
During the Ottoman rule of the Balkans, many Serbs moved north across the Sava into Vojvodina which was then Austria-Hungary. Over the centuries, those migrations made it so that Serbs became the majority ethnic group in the region.
After WW1, which Serbia won and Austria-Hungary lost, influental scientist and Wilson's friend Mihajlo Pupin lobbied for the incorporation of Vojvodina into the new Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (later Kingdom of Yugoslavia), and with Wilson's help it came to be.
Because Milk-istan hasn't soured yet. 🥁
Lol
Well I don't imagine it would be a -stan since if I'm not mistaken (as in I typed "land" into Google translate) that's not what you call land in Kurdish or any other middle Eastern land.
I hate that I laughed at this
Get out!
@@thegamerkhan well the -stan suffix is of Persian origin really, and considering what happened to the Kurds in Iran before and Iraq and Syria now, they might use a different Kurdish language term. Keyword: might
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!!
As a kurdish this really hits hard.
we have our own language,culture, clothes, music, flag, history, food.
Yet no country at all and everyone mistakes us for (turks, persians and arabs)
I don't blame it on anyone it's just that we never had any support whenever we had our chances...
The fact that we (the US) kept the British-drawn Iraqi borders after we stomped on Saddam instead of splitting off northern Iraq into Kurdistan still strikes me as a disgrace and a lost opportunity. Yeah, it would've pissed off the Turks, but the Kurds in the area would've become a steadfast ally, our only one in the entire region other than Israel. Instead we eventually threw the Kurds under the bus and let them get run over by ISIS. What a farce, we should've done better.
in iran we dont mistake any of cultures like turks kurds , gilacks or anyothers! we are a nation and we need eachother to scape form this Isalamic repoblic... pls leave us for a while and let us to survive... then u can came and talk about your stuffs... .
I was in “Kurdistan” when I was deployed to Iraq. It was the only place I felt was safe in the entire country of Iraq. My interpreter was Kurdish and he was awesome. I had him procure my a Kurdistan flag that I proudly display in my office. Great people with a tragic history. I hope someday soon that they get a country of their own.
this is sad, honestly i wish my country (canada) would recognize you, but im sad to admit the government doesn't care about "people" they only care about the money that comes with it. and the glory. our government doesn't see that kurdistan deserves to be independent. i wish you kurdish people the best. not having a country for your people, even if you have a culture and everything. i hope iraq, turkey, iran, and any future country that will ever control kurdistan, realise that these people.. aren't theirs. but they should be independent. that was my talk, on the sad story of kurdistan. please know, i support your people.
@@nathanplays5514 come on maaan! dont blame your government! govs do what ever the people wants! if u hade a good education, good medical, good food varity and stuff... its because you want your gov keep force the other countries to stay where they were 100 years before ... you say how? by draining brains... blackmailing Oil and minerals, by ransoming politic points and milking the peoples who stood NOBLE and wont to do the same as you ! yes , if we had a piece of bread and a bowl of warm food, we pray for those who cant have this even! not like you howling for MORE and MORE ... and this is ouer mistake in middle east! BTW im an Iranian, NOT persian, but Iranian it means i recognize the KURDs as my people and brothers not because of political borders nor being part of the Iran borders, but cuz we have the same blood in our vessels... .
Bring back the post-credit humorous messages please!
Yeah what happened to those?
Idk I loved seeing those
they were never funny
Yes they were
"It s all fun and games until Coke gets an aircraft carrier"
I can already see people respectfully arguing the living hell out of the comments section
Shut up jeff
Shut up Jeff
Stfu
Shut
Thank you Jeff for your trash opinion
Im glad that a history channel did a through research about this matter. Great video.
Thank you about making this video.
one big problem is that they lack a natural coastline which make them very dependent on their neighbours.
Isnt that the case with quite a few countries in the region including neighboring Armenia
@@gringopapi6985 Absolutely. But in contrast to Armenia, Kurdistan would start off with a -100 diplomacy malus with all of it's neighbours. Where would Israel be without its coastline?
@@gringopapi6985 armenia is the only one in the middle east that lacks a coastline (everyone else has at least a slimmer) but they have Russian backing.
@@karlheisenberg2857 and Even Armenia is kinda screwed by having Turks on two sides, they only have Iran, and an indifferent Georgia, for them
@@riograndedosulball248 Georgia actually also enemy to Armenia thanks to brilliant armenian foreign policy that constantly claiming the lands of their neighbors.
Jews: get a country for themselves after ages.
Kurds: isn't it possible to learn this power?
Lol the west gave Israel to the Jews after the Second World War. They didn’t just take it.
@@loudmouf9246 Wdym "the west" only a single empire did
They had to fight to get and keep it.
Answer: have a strong lobby that influences US politics
@@itaybron again supported by the west.
Thanks for the video. Great respect!
as a kurd who was born and raised in turkey, i don't know what to think about kurdistan. i mean, i don't even care about the having a national country. i may think that way because i'm assimilated, but i don't have any nationalism in me. i love turkey and yeah i'm fine with my life
Milliyetçiliğin modern dünyada yeri yok ya ondandır
👏👏👏👏👏
You Turkish, lies
I am not ok with that dude , and if i have had a chance i would fight for it
If you look out for your nation's interests and your heart resides with your country and all the people in it(except radical islamist arab wanna-be), then you're Turkish, pretty straight-forward
The Middle East: the earliest battle royale server known to mankind
LMAOOOOOOOO!!!
Later came the Balkan Hardcore Server
@@akramgimmini8165 I would say the Balkans in smaller scale since in the middle east usually great empires that clashes, while in the Balkans mostly ethnic groups that created kingdoms empires countries thus their war in smaller scale but destructive ofc.
Winner, winner, couscous dinner.
Does that make the Libya the dlc
When are we going to see gladiatorial combat between James Bisonette and Kelly Moneymaker?
I wanna see this
One day this prophecy will happens
Riches don't fight, they pay people they dont know to do this ...
My money is on Sky Chappel
🤔
Kurds: You have freed us!
UK: Oh, I wouldn't say freed. More like -
Turkey: *UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT*
Blame Britian who made 5 different useless Arab states but couldn't care for a single Kurdistan.
Great, info loaded 3+ minutes, as always. A 20 second addendum to what happened in the aftermath of 2003 US invasion of Iraq, the overlap of IS and Syrian war and how all that raised hopes of Kurdistan and then again crashed to the ground would've made it complete.
There is a kurdish state in North Eastern Syria. That huge area of Syria isn’t controlled by Assad’s regime
And that Kurdish state isn’t going anywhere so cry about it
@@tylerclayton6081 would have disappeared if assad hadn't protected them against the kurds, imbècile
@@tylerclayton6081 That is not a Kurdish state. Americans armed and trained PKK terorists in civil war of Syria. They are not a state. Kurds are an ethnic race but they are not a single nation who has similar ideology and interests. Most of Kurds in Turkey want to stay as Turkish citizens and live in western cities of Turkey. After Gulf War 2 kurdish pashmerge group Talabani and Barzani fought for a decade. Syrian kurds has no ideology they are run by PKK terorists who are rebranded by USA as YPG or Syrian Democratical Forces.
Americans and Europeans try to create a nationalism conscous in kurdish populations and unite them. It is all to secure Israel’s position in middle east. They want to create a puppet proxy kurdistan.
But in anyway if a kurdistan built by seperation land from Turks Iranian and Arabs, it will be the biggest prison. Because that will be a land country which has no airzone and seaways to escape. And water sources, and all products should have been passed from hostile neighbours which is impossible.
@@darkprofilepuahha denize açılmayacağını kim söyledi Moğol ağla hepinizi execeğiz
@@XbxbnWhdj 1000 senedir o moğollar sayesinde kral gibi yaşadınız. Şimdi amerikanın avrupalnın gazı ile atıp tutma. Türklerin tarihin en zayıf olduğu zamanda hiç bir şey alamadınız artık bugün hiç şansınız yok. Siz denizlere ancak Türk şehirlerinde tatil yaparken ya da çalışırken açılırısnız.
The very unsurprising answer of "because WWI and the Cold War"
@@chronicthingz Mainly is because of ww1 and you can’t deny it
@@chronicthingz what about before Turks? I mean was there any kurdistan before as you call suppression by Turks? No. So this is not the reason
@@chronicthingz when were kurds brutally suppressed by persians ??? rebels all around the world will always be brutally supressed because its required for the health of any nation ! regardless if they are kurds or turks or persians...no rebelion ever was welcomed in any country ! but normal kurd people have been living in peace and harmony for thousands of years...besides other than language and culture...theres no such thing as kurd ppl genetically and there never has ever been a kurd nation, if any cultural minority in the region wanted to have a nation of its own...the region would be torn to peaces and that exatly what our enemies are looking for
Yes
@@flks7172 There wasn't any province that called by a nations name in any way in the east of Ottoman Empire.
Because they haven’t bought the HOI4 Bosphorous DLC yet
kurdish unrest.
Whenever I create the Kurdish state in HOI4 they never do anything. No troops or anything
@@Elderrion its because they were rigged to do nothing, and Paradox wanted kurdistan to be conquered
@@tallenta6071 that explains it, better to give their territory to useful puppets
@@tallenta6071 press x to doubt
your videos are so informative!please enable captions/subtitles in English so we don't miss a word!by the way love from iran❤and cover what happened to kurds during iran-iraq war it was really brutal
@@arafatalwakeel5132 i hope same happens to you🤗❤
Thank you! It's interesting.
I kinda want you to do more of the "How the World Reacts to" Questions like Japan's Invasion of Manchuria or the Communists winning the Civil War and all that.
communist winning the civil war would be interesting
Japan : *invades Manchuria*
The world : "Oh no ...... Anyway"
“You aren’t supposed to do it but carry on”
If I'm not wrong, Japan was sanctioned for invading Manchuria, and nations like the US and Britain worsened because of this invasion futher isolating them which led to them joining the Axis, I'm sure that he mentioned this in his "Why did Japan join the Axis" Video
Perhaps the Ottoman reaction to the Nepoleonic wars?
The next question History Matters should answer: Who is James Bisonette?
Why does James Bisonette exist?
(Short Animated Documentary)
Will james Bissonnette restore the Babylonian empire by buying all of the middle east?
James Bisonette is the Philosophers from Metal Gear
"2020 and History Matters came down with a fatal case of getting sponsored by James Bissonette."
*thud*
turkey be like: I missed the part where that's my problem
Lol
again Turkey: gonna cry?
@@ludwigvanbeethoven41 250 Jahre Beethoven.
Keep burning racist lmaoo
@@shovshov197 >Doesn't live here thinks everyone is racist lmao
I'm Turkish but I have kurdish in me I've only been bullied by my appearance once and it was a kurdish guy
Great video, but one small thing u forgot was that that it was split up in 4 parts. Syria also has kurdish areas in the north which are now kinda autonomous because of the civil war.
You can’t split something that doesn’t exist!
Ottomans: we’re taking your autonomy and replacing it with Ottonomy.
sadly it is not ottoman, it is osman actually. So Ottomans didn't use to call themselves ottomans. They were Osmanlıs. Yeah I know it doesn't work with your joke ^^
* Ottomony
@@metehanguler367 aga İngilizcede Osmanlı demek Ottoman demek o yüzden senin yaptığın Türkçe'yi İngilizce'ye geçirmek.
@@omerdonmez578 ben söylediğimi anlayıp yorum yaptığını düşünmüyorum, aga
@@metehanguler367 İngilizcede diğer her dilde isimler değişir. Misal Arnavutlar kendilerine Arnavut demez , sen dersin. Onlar Shqiptar der İngilizler Albanian der vs. O bakımdan hatalısın.
Kurds now: “can we have our own state now?”
Turkey, Iraq and Iran: “NO! Hey we actually agree on something!”
Kurds: ....its treason then
and syria aswell
@Özgür K. that’s different, the USA won a war and they moved the border as part of the peace treaty, and the USA paid Mexico $15 million for that land.
Edit: actually the better example would be: if the Native Americans asked to secede from the USA. I would be supportive of that because we treated them horribly for centuries… but I bet the government would be just as intractable as the ones in Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq too.
The kurds in Iran don't even want to be independent really.
@@DaDARKPass how do u know? U asked them?
I’ve been watching your videos for a long time, and when this video was recommended I was really happy, glad you make videos about minorities like us Kurds to make sure more and more people know about our struggles. Although nowadays Kurdish politics isn’t as straightforward.
I already see the dust storm that the Turks have caused. Embrace for impact cause here comes the Turks!
im kurdish and i tell u why we are we not a country:
-betrayal
-we will never get together
100% your right
Wake up, babe, new History Matters video
Yes babe
*-y e s d a d d y-*
Thanks boo
I literally waked up and saw this video...
Last time I was this early Sykes and Picot were still drawing random lines on a map with little regard for the people groups living there.
Oh believe me, it was intentional. The British and French didn't want stable central authorities. They wanted the Middle East to fight within themselves in order to expolit said geography.
The ottomans too didnt asked the people there before conquering the middle-east
@@the_feedle Lmao the Ottomans' rule was way more peaceful than what Arabs were and are capable of
@@cushpnk tell this to arabs and they will answer you otherwise
@@the_feedle Lmao the Arab world is in disarray as of now. The elite sell their countries' resources to the imperial power USA and the average Arab citizen gets fucked as a consequence.
Allies : lets crush Turks homeland
Atatürk: HELLO THERE
Atatürk teached you westerns a lesson ✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
he didn't try to make us like europe, he just showed us how to rise again
ERDOGAN: I’m gonna end this man’s whole carrier.
Turks: **Dies of starvation**
@@abdulhakdavutburcek5227 harbiden öyle ya
@@imbesat7118 , what are you talking about?
Very interesting!
Im starting to believe that the allies had only their own interests in mind..
they always did
Whaaaaaaaat? Nooooooooo…
lol was this ironic? (bc to me it always seemed so obvious lol)
LoL brah you think ww1 or ww2 about the good guys fighting the bad guys ? Come on... you must be smarter than this...
@@persiandude2378 ww2 was pretty morally clear but yeah there’s always background interests and motives for sending millions into graves
as an Iranian persian, just wanna say I love all of our kurdish brothers and sisters regardless of what they think about iran. hopefully we can either settle our problems out and be united or go our own ways.
Iranian should united under the one banner, Iran, Kudistan, Afghanistan, Baluchistan and Tajikistan to become a superpower.
@@Xavier-fk7wm Interesting. Is there any future desire to do that? Perhaps with an economic union?
@@Xavier-fk7wm Afghanistan is more a part of the Indian sub-continent so an economic union with India(whenever India gets its shit together, not soon probably) is actually a possibility for Afghanistan.
good attitude to have, wish indonesia is more like this towards papua.
Thanks bro
Actually i feel like a turkish people At least they accepted us into turkey Im not sad to be a kurdish people We are two nations and one state
My father is Kurdish and my mother is Turkish for me race is a stupid thing to worry about this is our nation not by blood but by hearth. In the what we call Turkish republic is by race only 20% Turkish its all mix greek arab slavs and many civilazations thats was once ruled these lands
@@belamras Nationalism on the basis of race is the most ridiculous thing in the world. Turkish nationalism is based on thousands of years of Turkish culture. That's why I disagree with your 20% statement. Because it might not even be that much. Turks have succeeded in integrating with the societies they are together with and bringing their culture to these places. In conclusion, the thought of at least a sane Turkish nationalist should be; instead of nonsense like our race is great, our race is superior, to live and keep alive the ancient Turkish culture, which you can find traces of no matter how far you go in history.
Okey dude but also a country is the land where a person receives education in his own language, learns his own history and culture and carries his own identity. There is education in mother tongue in more than 60 countries around the world. but Kurdish education is prohibited in Turkey. There can be only Turkish education and everyone has to carry a Turkish identity. If Turkey is also a country of Kurds, why do not Kurds have these rights? and why no Turks support to Kurdish education?
@@_j_8299 u are talkin about the countries are don't have any problem about getting revolt. In Turkey absolutely in middle east this is a big problem. Every genius people knows the real problem is not the Kurdish langague. and there is not an racism against kurds in turkey. Turks dont have any problem kurds. Turkey has a problem with PKK. Kurds langague problem is not main problem for PKK they only want to getting revolt in turkey with kurds. This is only one example
“Accepted us into Turkey“ are you insane? Kurds are INDIGENOUS to parts of Turkey‘s land, meanwhile Turks come from the farther east. We belong to this land. It’s our origin. We are not guests. Turks are. If anyone should have any rights over that land it’s Kurds, Assyrians & Arameans. Shame on you.
I still don’t care, kurdistan exists in my eyes ❤❤
Oil money deal was more about Turkey giving up claims on Musul Vilayet in Iraq
Yeah it isn't simple as that including shekikh said uprising and stuff but it is a 3 min video so i would cut some slack lol
The oil money was a meager 10% for 25 years. It was more of a cosolation prize than an agreement.
@@qwefhj3011 This is mostly correct but there is a major mistake that acting like Kurdish minority in Turkey lives in eastern Turkey due in reality they don't, in fact 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish population live in WESTERN Turkey not eastern Turkey and the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj, Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! This wasn't much different during Ottoman nor early republic era so because two nations were always so mixed Turkey also considered them as citizens nor there was ever a Kurdish rebellion for independence. There are some ''historians'' trying to show Sheikh Said rebellion as a Kurdish rebellion while in reality it was an ISLAMIST rebellion for bringing back the CALIPHATE!! Ottoman caliphate never ever considered Kurds as Kurds, Turks as Turks, Arabs as Arabs rather called all Muslims just Muslims. So Kurdish people didn't feel like they were a minority in a foreign empire rather felt like it was their own empire as well. And it is also why they refused western promise of an independent country during WW1. After Turkey was established depending on a nationalist system and it's citizens were called Turkish same as France, Spain, Russia etc etc they felt like they were loosing their rights even if they were still full citizens and there was never anti-minority laws in Turkey like anti-black laws in US and South Africa or anti-aborigine laws in Canada and Australia. So they rebelled for bringing back the caliphate behind Sheikh Said and even today a significant part of Kurdish population (Around 40%) still believe Islamic system is better and vote for AKP party!! I know this is a simplified channel and more for fun than information but sadly even very dedicated channels are doing same mistakes that comparing Kurdish region of Turkey with Scotland, Catalonia, Brittany etc and acting like they weren't simply allowed to become independent like those places but the reality is a lot complicated than that...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 Why do you spam
@@levthemapperxd coz he right
Great video, however you do leave out quite a bit of why Kurdistan was never created as unlike the examples you gave (Poland & Korea) there was no direct Kurdish state in the Middle East before the Ottomans and the Safavids. Yes, there were significant Kurdish rulers throughout history, but never a major state that had Kurds hold the reigns of power. You have to remember that the Kurds were a tribal people stuck between two competing Imperial powers, and with all people, they formed different political and ideological identities. Kurds in Turkey have vastly different religious and political beliefs compared to the Kurds of Syria, Iran, Iraq, and even in each country they have their own unique political/religious subdivisions. The Kurds are not a monolith which is heavily implied in Western media. How can any ethnic group be a monolith? You have religious Kurds, nationalistic Kurds, Communist Kurds, and Kurds who simply want to be a part of their countries political system. Some Kurds wish for an independent Kurdistan, and some Kurds would rather see improvement of Kurdish rights within their own country. This diverse set of beliefs within the greater Kurdish community is also a reason (on top of the reasons shown in the video) why Kurdistan does not exist today. Love the video and love all the work you do!
Ye we're 40m people, quite diverse
Because there is Oil and by creating a kurdish Puppet State the imperial Powers have easy access to the local Resources.
Poland experienced a similar issue: after being encompassed by 3 imperial powers, different parts of Poland developed radically different ideas on how the country should be run. Not to mention that Poles barely made 2/3 of the country's population.
One detail that was left out was that Iraq already grants autonomy for the Kurds, probably the only country to do so.
Damn, an actual normal response. +rep for this one
This is one of the most neutral and unbiased take on the Kurdish situation I've ever seen. You have my respect sir
I hope that the Kurds get their Whey
I think this mini doc should have gone a little farther to include the events in the Gulf War and the US invasion of Iraq which resulted in a somewhat autonomous Kurdish region that would probably go independent if it had its way.
Why does Syria not come up at all? There’s lots of Kurds there.
Well frankly, Syria is a political mess - Probably History Matters if you asked him this
maybe because of the syrian civil war which he did not wanna mentions cuz he might get demonetized
*Assad*
**Worried money puppet**
They really don't. There is less than 2 million of them and they are concentrated right on the Turkish Syrian border. Compare this with the roughly 15 million Kurds in Turkey and you can see why they are rarely talked about.
Well to be fair it is the smallest out of the four Kurdish communities in the region, and not much interesting happened there until the 2010s aside from the events in Turkey spilling over occasionally.
The only channel where history just makes sense.
Amen!
But how about the history channel? 😏👽
Because here history actually matters, and not someone’s modern day agenda 😳
(I had to make a pun one way or another lol)
There are others
@@maddoxcindy5017 You do know that Kurdish people have a modern-day agenda of making a Kurdistan that never existed before, right? Lmfaoo
I am kurdish and we managed to become a semi vassal state in the iraq part after the fall of saddam husein when America attacked iraq, we also tried to become independent by holding a referendum but even though the vast majority of kurds voted yes for independence other countries didn’t let it happen and an economic crisis happened shortly after due to the lowered oil prices from 100$ per barrel to
As a Turk, i can confirm
Rawaz Ben kürtleri severim ama emperyalistlerin köpekliğini yapanlardan nefret ederim.Müslüman kürt benim kardeşimdir.
According to the 1926 treaty of England and Turkey, if an independent Kurdish state is established in Iraq, if Mosul and Kirkuk are separated, the Turkish government has the right to intervene.
@@batuhankara672 source for this? sounds like bs
@@PIXELGamerzXvlogs ankara agreement 1926- Turkey England
Wilson wanted to do something in Europe? :D
good luck with that!
The Kurds failed to gain the support of James Bisonett, that's why. Classic mistake.
We’ve made a huge lapse in judgement
theres a james bisonette shadow government obviously
This is mostly correct but there is a major mistake that acting like Kurdish minority in Turkey lives in eastern Turkey due in reality they don't, in fact 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish population live in WESTERN Turkey not eastern Turkey and the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj, Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! This wasn't much different during Ottoman nor early republic era so because two nations were always so mixed Turkey also considered them as citizens nor there was ever a Kurdish rebellion for independence. There are some ''historians'' trying to show Sheikh Said rebellion as a Kurdish rebellion while in reality it was an ISLAMIST rebellion for bringing back the CALIPHATE!! Ottoman caliphate never ever considered Kurds as Kurds, Turks as Turks, Arabs as Arabs rather called all Muslims just Muslims. So Kurdish people didn't feel like they were a minority in a foreign empire rather felt like it was their own empire as well. And it is also why they refused western promise of an independent country during WW1. After Turkey was established depending on a nationalist system and it's citizens were called Turkish same as France, Spain, Russia etc etc they felt like they were loosing their rights even if they were still full citizens and there was never anti-minority laws in Turkey like anti-black laws in US and South Africa or anti-aborigine laws in Canada and Australia. So they rebelled for bringing back the caliphate behind Sheikh Said and even today a significant part of Kurdish population (Around 40%) still believe Islamic system is better and vote for AKP party!! I know this is a simplified channel and more for fun than information but sadly even very dedicated channels are doing same mistakes that comparing Kurdish region of Turkey with Scotland, Catalonia, Brittany etc and acting like they weren't simply allowed to become independent like those places but the reality is a lot complicated than that...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 Can't deny this, I searched it up myself.
@@ggoddkkiller1342 WHY DO YOU NOT GET A JOKE
This channel has the impeccable ability to ask questions I have never thought of.
Anakin British: We are fighting together with Armenians, French and Italians against Turks.
Padme Kurd: We are outnumbered, we will beat the Turks, right?
Anakin British: ...
Padme Kurd: We will beat the Turks, right?
Lol not gonna happen soon.
They did
This video: *exists*
Iraqi Kurdistan: am I a joke to you?
There’s also a Kurdistan province in Iran. And, of course, Kurdistan can simply refer to the area inhabited by Kurds. He should’ve put “Independent Kurdistan” in the title to specify.
It’s always a good day when History Matters uploads a new video.
"It raises an obvious question,why?"
This is might be the coolest HM catchline.
"Then he died."
@@Katzian Caught a case of the deads
fun fact: no
It should be, “Why not?” though.
Turkey's treatment of Kurdistan is incredibly unfortunate.
Thats historically our land
@@mobiloyunlarforever6250then how there is more kurds in there?
@@mobiloyunlarforever6250 you historically were in central asia less then 900 years ago we lived here for at least 2000 years.
@@rozhfaraedun6840 They fuck more thats why if Berlin has more Turks then it will belong to Turks ? Nationalism died sorry but no more nation govermants too late for them
Road to 1 million, Ima loving this history channel because so much better.
The amount of detail you include in the background images (and the accuracy) is truly commendable
Yes! Like the القدس sign
Dude I’m in Kurdistan
Nah, you're in Turkey, Iraq, Iran
Im from kurdistan
If Kurdistan was real, it will be the only “Stan” country in Asia to be in the Middle East all the others are in Central Asia
Afghanistan and Pakistan are in South Asia.
I mean, Afghanistan is sometimes considered part of the Middle East.
I got a question, yo: How did NATO and other Communist nations react to the Sino-Soviet Split?
See: the dancing through the flowers animation
Google it
pretty sure he already made that one
They already did it
They already did it
Is nobody gonna talk about "Boogely woogely"?
Nope
:D
@@BoogilyWoogily it's the legend itself, right before our eyes! All hail our new lord and savior BoogilyWoogily!
Time Staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamp.
2:59 people have been wanting Kurdistan as an independent country in 2003 when the US invaded Iraq and 2017 when the Syrian Civil War was still raging
Moral of the story, it's all Turkey's fault.
the real kurdistan is the friends we made along the way
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
This is mostly correct but there is a major mistake that acting like Kurdish minority in Turkey lives in eastern Turkey due in reality they don't, in fact 12 million Kurdish people out of Turkey's 18 million Kurdish population live in WESTERN Turkey not eastern Turkey and the biggest Kurdish city in the world isn't Diyarbakir, Sanandaj, Erbil rather Istanbul with 3 million Kurdish population!! This wasn't much different during Ottoman nor early republic era so because two nations were always mixed Turkey also considered them as citizens and there was never a Kurdish rebellion for independence. There are some ''historians'' trying to show Sheikh Said rebellion as a Kurdish rebellion while in reality it was an ISLAMIST rebellion for bringing back the CALIPHATE!! Ottoman caliphate never ever considered Kurds as Kurds, Turks as Turks, Arabs as Arabs rather called all Muslims just Muslims. So Kurdish people didn't feel like they were a minority in a foreign empire rather felt like it was their own empire as well. And it is also why they refused western promise of an independent country during WW1. After Turkey was established depending on a nationalist system and it's citizens were called Turkish same as France, Spain, Russia etc etc they felt like they were loosing their rights even if they were still full citizens and there was never anti-minority laws in Turkey like anti-black laws in US and South Africa or anti-aborigine laws in Canada and Australia. So they rebelled for bringing back the caliphate behind Sheikh Said and even today a significant part of Kurdish population (Around 40%) still believe Islamic system is better and vote for AKP party!! I know this is a simplified channel and more for fun than information but sadly even very dedicated channels are doing same mistakes that comparing Kurdish region of Turkey with Scotland, Catalonia, Brittany etc and acting like they weren't simply allowed to become independent like those places but the reality is a lot complicated than that...
@@uvaxstra7275 I don't know where you read Turkey said 20 million but in reality Turkey never declared an exact population number simply because it can't as Turkey never asks if a citizen Kurdish, Turkish, Georgian, Laz, Greek etc!! And those estimates simply done by following their origin. For example person A was born and lives in Istanbul while his grandfather was from Hakkari with a Kurdish name then he is assumed Kurdish. This is how there are estimates changing from 15 million to 20 million and most accept as 18 million the most accurate but in reality perhaps person A has a Turkish father and considering himself Turkish then he should be considered in Kurdish minority? And this problem is a lot common than you think due there are over 2 million marriages between Kurdish and Turkish people today so it is pretty much impossible giving an exact population number unless the government starts asking if people consider themselves as Kurdish, Turkish etc and document that information but then there will be a discrimination fear so Turkey never did such a thing!! What we know for sure there are around 6 million Kurdish people living in southeastern region of Turkey while the rest of Kurdish population live all around Turkey which could be around 12 million, 15 million like you claim or actually 10 million. And the opposite is also true that there are Turkish people living in entire southeastern region as well. Some people like to defend ''Turkey is homogeneous'' nonsense while in reality it has one of the most mixed population...
So the angry turkish nationalists and Mukhabarat?
@@ggoddkkiller1342 u a liar
When can we get a "Why was Thailand never colonized?"
Im not so interested in Thai history but while reading a book about Ataturk, i saw that Mongkut und Chulalongkorn revolutionised the country and defended it against emperialism. If that'll help, maybe researching those guys might be helpful
@@umuts-cut which book is that?
@@vlademir4281 Dahi Diktatör, Celal Şengör Hocamızın kitabı :D
@@umuts-cut teşekkür ederim .d
Thailand is a great and epic survivor
One side fits all is what in Spain is called Cafe para todos
You forgot the millions of Kurds who are living in Anatolia and Western Turkey too. My parents are from Ankara the capital of Turkey. There are millions of Kurds around that area - Corum, Konya and so on. 1/3 of Turkey is Kurdish. They around 35 million just in Turkey. Travel to Turkey, you will see what i mean. Remember the elite has deleted everything related to the word "Kurd", even the population number.
EU4 has taught me that converting a culture is usually a waste of your monarch points
whyy when i play eu4 my first goal is convert all foreign cultures even in the same culture group then countiue playing it realy disturbs me when foreign cultures in my country
My hand doesn't even go to change culture screen and as a Turk if I change kurdish culture to turkish I feel like I betrayed them
as u cant accept all cultures u have to make a bit
EU4 culture mechanics actually resembles real ones.
You have a certain core culture, a few accepted cultures that are central parts of your empire, and unaccepted ones.
Ottomans were pretty similar in this case. Turkish was the (debatable) primary culture of the empire, and she was very tolerant against Greeks, Rums, Serbians, Bulgarians, Armenians, Kurds and Arabs(well, majority of the highest ranks were non-Turk; on the contrary, they were of these cultures) and there were unaccepted ones like Bosniaks, Croats, Hungarians, and some other peoples. Converting them, even though not in long term as we have seen in history, would be waste of time and resources (a.k.a. mana points). In EU4, it's the same, you spend bird mana for a long-term investment. People won't revolt and the province will be a more integrated part of the empire, but you spend a great deal of mana to do this.
@@GamersUniverseOE there were 16 bosniak 18 georgian 3 serb 3 croatian 2 napolitian prime ministers in ottomans how they are unaccepted
2.11 “some delicious oil money” NO! All of that delicious oil money (Which was less than %10 of the total oil income) was accounted for the debts of the Ottoman Empire.
şapka
Are u Turk or Kurd
I just met a man who fixed my car at his auto body shop. I noticed he had an accent and asked where he was from. He said "Kurdistan", "have you heard of it" I said "yes" Nicest guy in the world, very professional. Just watching videos on where these very polite and driven people come from. on to the next video, I love kurds.
Funny. I knew an Armenian car repair guy who said Turks killed the Armenians and then "cannibals” (Kurds) took over their land.
@@greatguy2141 yeah the area around turkey is just an shithole of geopolitics, including turkey
The reference to Catalonia is incorrect. The Spanish Nation-state did not have a "Hispanization" campaign until the mid 1900s under Franco's dictatorship. And by the way, by that time, Catalonia was already a bilingual region.
A bit shocking you guys mentioned that, having hundreds of examples around the globe.
@@quidam_surprise ?
@@quidam_surprise coped
@@quickrat3348 It’s one of the more well-known examples, though.
@@capncake8837 No, it is not an example. It is an ideological flag. And quite offensive, since it represents a racist movement.
When he didn’t upload on Friday, I feared the worst. (No pressure man, just love your work too much, can’t stand anything happening you 👍)
Great video. Could you do one on why the 1st French Republic was so ineffective and chaotic that France welcomed Napoleon?
It was always the turks that hated us
One day we be a country and show those who fighted who we are
No turk hates kurds for no reason except ultra nationalist ones. We hate terrorists tho. Kurds in Turkey who are not a part of a terrorist organisation lives in peace and with equal rights
İn ur dreams
Turks never hated Kurds. Turks and Kurds can live in Turkey together.
As a Kurd, I'm here to verify that that moustache in the thumbnail is as Kurdish as revolting against the Turks
I’m confused about how this relates to making cheese. You have to separate the Kurds and whey at some point before baking on the rind... not totally sure
I most like my Kurds with banana, maple syrup, or sweet woodruff syrup. But I guess now I understand, why neither Turkey nor Iran nor Iraq nor Syria want to let go of them... no cheese without it right?
I usually just rind my extra kurdish friends to make my cheddar cheese, one of the pros of being kurdish.
The story of Wheyland is just as tragic as Kurdistan.
Exactly but the whey won’t let it go!!
Now, foreign bacteria is spoiling the batch and they gave to start over again. Get it?
Cheese isn't just cooked milk. You heat up cheese you get melted cheese not milk!
Currently Iraqi Kurdistan enjoys a wide range of antonomy, however when a few years ago they voted on independence, the Iraqi government threatened them with war and also demanded to give up the terrritories they took during the fight against ISIS. The Kurds compelled.
As for Syria, well that's even more complicated with Turks occupying much of the northern border regions, to stop the Kurdish attacks. In response the self declared Rojava antonomous region (which began as a Kurdish - Arab revolt against president Assad) made a pact with the Syrian government, and much of their territory is now also jointly controlled by the Syrian military.
The Kurdish question is basicly the Balkan of the Middle East.
I'm Macedonian...you are completely right.
Kurdistan is Macedonia in the Middle East
The biggest obstacle to a free Kurdistan is the divisions among the Kurds.
@@isajloskidarko Except for the fact that you're wrong. Kurdistan is a people unable to have their own state, and North Macedonia is a bunch of people larping for classical Greece as Slavs.
@@isajloskidarko You are Greek then?
@@10-5-09 🤣 define Greek...please :)
That never meant ethnicity, it meant cultural or religious group of people.Things change when Nation states are being created in the 19th century.
According to your first constitution of the 19th century when the Greek state was formed, Greek means every orthodox Christian who lives in the newly formed country of Greece, or every orthodox Christian who lives on a land that will be concurred by Greece in future, and every Muslim that will convert into Christianity.
Stay safe my orthodox brother
Please add subtitles in different languages to your videos
As a Spaniard, I resent your version of my country wanting to make Catalonia "Spanish". Catalonia has been part of our country since its origins under the Catholic Monarchs. We are indeed a messy and diverse nation where several languages are spoken (such as Euskera in my Basque Country). Unfortunately we also have separatist advocators in several of our regions, above all mine and Catalonia. So I'd appreciate it if foreign observers such as yourself don't try adding oil on our fire, please, History Matters.
We aren't Spain without Catalonia!!
Love to see this video made, what a time to be alive
I respect his attention to detail. At 1:34 he wrote “القدس” which translates to Jerusalem.
@yassi jass hahahahah nah only basics.
But he wrote “el” at first.
It's Al-Quds
@@whitelotusmember8664 Arabs write “Al” to starting. Ottomans won’t do it
Came to the comment section to check if someone had already spotted this (also wondering what Jerusalem has to do with the Kurds)
Fun fact: Kurdistan is (technically) a nation. A nation is technically just an ethnic group that wants sovereignty (if I remember correctly). A country/state is an internationally recognized sovereign land.
Kurdistan is a stateless nation
Exactly.
Not just technically though, they ARE a nation, but as you already said, without a state.
*angry Iranian, Iraqi, Turkish, Syrian Noises*
But No Offence To my Kurdish friends
yeah they can be nation in their wet dreams
@@kubicix1265 yeah they are aliens
Kurdistan used to have an empire
James Bizenette could single handedly fund the creation of a Kurdish state
Me: Why there isn't a Kurdistan ye...
Turkey: No
Iraq: Hell No
No one wants it even half of the kurds. I wonder why europeans are so insist about it.
because turks knwo they will be used as puppet of Western Imperialist
@@KouNagai Assyrians want it because its their ancestral land Kurds occupy.
@@scintillam_dei Assyrians are legit a minority in their own so called “country”
Stop that bullshit
Why wasn't the situation after the 70's talked of ?
Seriously, i love the content, but i feel like 3 minutes a week is too little.
Pkk was formed in 1970's and did their first attacks in 80's. (Pkk= Kurdish workers party)
@@fishy5288 in general, i really feel like there is too little content for a week.
Because it is very much a modern issue. Talking about the present day, as in stuff that is happening right now, means it's not really "history" anymore, is it? It's an ongoing issue.
@@omercanasik6 pkk= internationally recognised terrorist organisation
@@fishy5288 "there wasnt any notable action" yeah, them killing 10k civilians since 1980s isnt any notable I assume.
I see what separatism can really be if it's unstable. I support catalan independence, I tend to get frustrated with it, but then I see Kurdish conflicts and I think to myself "It's going relatively well"
thanks brother. im a catalan myself.
As a Kurd to live is to struggle, I will to support Catalan.
What is the meaning of the words above a man wearing a red fez (I am an Arab and I did not understand the meaning of these words) 0:38
0:40 "So what happens in order to cause changes? Well it was Europeans"
Since when have they *not* caused change wherever they go
moon
@@TheRatsintheWalls wdym doesnt count?
When we were too busy getting damaged by others and eachother, and only then.
@@TheRatsintheWalls what? the standard for europe doesn't only consist of western europe. eastern europe (russia, ukraine, the balkans etc) is just as much european as the west (britain, germany, france etc.). i understand the vision of europe most people have is heavily biased towards the west, but saying the ussr wasn't really european is stretching it a bit too much
@@TheRatsintheWalls it was european
Mane we need like a 10 min version of this... for the 70s to present..
For sure!
Everyone of these I'm like "hey! That's a good question now that you explain why it is! >:(" then by the end I'm like "oh."
1:17 While you included Catalans, you forgot Basques and Galicians
Boogli-woogly, a new patreon! Almost as catchy a name as James bizonette!
Nobody beats James Bizanette
Way catchier than my name!
@@jamesbissonette8002 Repetition legitimizes
@@jamesbissonette8002 are you the real James bizonette? I'm such a big fan!
@@jamesbissonette8002 I bow respectfully to the OG :D