Suzuki Sv650s Vs Yamaha R1 Brands Hatch Indy 12-4-21
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2021
- Onboard footage of me on my Suzuki Sv650 K9 (minitwin spec with road fairings) session 3 in the 2nd intermediate group at Brands hatch indy on 12/4/21.
On the second half of the session i came in sight of the guy on the white r1 and we had a pretty fun battle for about 8 laps.
I hope you enjoy this video - my next trackday will be onboard my Ducati Panigale V4s so like and subscribe to see future content! 
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Straights are for fast bikes...corners are for fast RIDERS!
Red/white leathers should've backed off, he's the slower rider.
I had an R1 owner say to me once "why would anyone want a 600?" Lol.
I couldn't be bothered explaining, and left him in his little dream. 😊
😂
Nice!
Did you try r6, r1 or any other inline4 +100BHP? I'm just curious
Amazing little V twin. Finally bought a blue '23 650 before they're gone. Haven't seen one in the dealership since. Maybe not the latest and greatest, but I love 'em anyway. JHS racing in the UK are getting over 100 hp with some of their SV's. These guys are real SV nuts. Just returned from a 1K mile trip into Oregon, US and found a 100 mile road of twisties and nobody on it. I thought I died and went to heaven. The SV was happy and so was I.
THE FUN - it is all about that :) Cheers mate! I am glad there are still many riders showing that eagerness to race is more than just possesion of a track bike.
Thanks Karol, I really appreciate your comment. I completely agree.
Great example of cornering vs straight line speed. The R1 rider sounded impressed ;)
thanks mate, yeah the guy on the R1 was a nice chap.
R1 parking it in the corners.
Some of these comments are a bit cringe and missing a lot of important points.
-The SV is heavily modded and dialed in for track duty, the R1 may be stock or mildly modded and not optimally so. Anyone who's seen what a track prepped Ninja 400 can do with an experienced 100 lb teenager knows how big of a difference a track prepped bike can make, especially on a place like Brands Hatch Indy that is basically non-stop cornering.
-Yes, the R1 has more power, but there's nowhere to use it. Everywhere is a corner on this config and with an old school liter bike you have to carefully apply throttle to keep the front wheel down and prevent wheelspin. The SV has just the right amount of power that you can just full throttle almost anywhere and makes it a less stressful calculation coming out of corners.
-The R1 rider probably has way less track experience. Sure, you might say "well, he should be on a slower bike then!", but the used market can be wacky sometimes and it might just be he was going to get a 650 or 600 and came across an R1 for dirt cheap and said fuck it and rolled with it. Some people also like liter bikes so they can shift less and therefore focus more on braking and cornering instead of constantly rowing the gear box.
Even at 70hp the SV650 is a very quick vehicle by car standards, so it doesn't surprise me in the least that it can keep up with an R1 on a track config like this that's nearly all corners. People don't understand how utterly useless 200hp really is unless you're doing highway top speed runs.
Not to take away from the guy on the SV650, passing people is passing people, but let's live in reality and understand the full context of the situation and not get some delusional misinterpretation that the SV650 is some god-tier R1 killer because I assure you if you put MotoGP/WSBK/AMA/etc. riders on each with similar amounts of modding allowed the R1 will be gone and never be seen again.
So which year R1 do you own?
@@drewmorg. I don't and I won't, liter bikes are just unnecessary and definitely not worth the extra cost. I have a pre-electro-nanny GSXR 600 and I don't see the point in getting anything else.
@@nunyabusiness896 Old gixxers are sick. I have NO USE for one, but I'd love to have one.
As u saw for yourself, the sv 650 is an r1 killer.
Absolutely flying there mind. Goes to show you don't need big power to be quick all in the riding. If I can get half as quick as this I will be happy.
Yeah mate it’s true, Im finding it a lot easier to be fast on this compared to my Ducati. you’ll get there easily mate just get lots of track time and good tyres :)
Sv corner speed shocks everyone especially with a decent pilot on it great to see
Thanks Lucas, it’s incredible how well they handle with a few tweaks to the suspension
Good ride. The R1 is messy though. He obviously is making a conscious effort just to block you. If I were the R1, I would let you pass then follow you for 2 or 3 laps to study your lines....then I'll pass you.
Human egos are hilarious
He's not messy. He has a faster bike and less skills and experience - in fact he is ahead only on straights
Fantastic riding, must have been so satisfying to pull a gap and hang on to your lead! R1 rider was such a good sport, too-that's what it's all about 👌🏽
Hey thanks ubergreg, he was a nice fella. it really isnt often that ive come across a nice match like that and it nice to over take and be overtaken - really gets the blood going hehe. i must get the sv back on track next year.
It’s really satisfying to see that despite being on a much more powerful bike that guy really isn’t faster overall. Your skill is evident in the corners next to him
Once i read this on reddit and i will never forget: " The Suzuki SV 650 is the greatest gift to mankind"
Guy on the R1 is in your way.
Nice riding bro! Love my SV. The guy on the r1 is hilarious
Thanks dude, appreciate it. this was a lot of fun :)
Love the way that sv650 sounds I want one to turn into a track bike too just because
Sv650 vs r1 and killing it...man rating 1000000000
Hehe thanks dude!
Thinking of buying one myself - checked your other pani vid - paddock on the SV checking the speed looks slightly quicker? or is that due to gearing? I suppose you can carry alot of corner speed into and out of the corners on the sv - all about momentum?
You took the R1 both inside and FAR OUTSIDE..and you spanked it those times you did..luv this..luv my sv650s
Glad you enjoyed it mate! yep sv650s is an amazing bike!
I think you've just convinced me to go for an SV as my first big road bike over an MT07. As a man who enjoys handling, i tjink its going to be a better fit, and Mallory Park is only about 25 minutes from me😊 Epic riding buddy, really enjoyed this. 😎👍🏽
I was going to get a MT07 but went with the SV in the end and have never regreted it. The SV is really fun and good solid bike fast and nimble you will not regret getting and SV as your first big road bike!
@@kayamiller Thanks for that, feeling more confident about my choice now. Cheers 👍🏽
That’s awesome mate, I’m glad you enjoyed it 👍 sv650 is a truly underrated motorcycle
Looks like the guy on the R1 was holding you up kid ..I'm racing there at the weekend on my sv so checking out your video
Good luck in the race dude.
Got my sv650s 2009 a month ago after 20 years of not riding, dark grey with black rims.Will be year's commuter ,cant wait for those early morning rides.
You’ll love it. Mine is a 2009 too
Just bought a gen two prepping it for next year can't wait ❤❤
Awesome buddy, you’ll love it
Nice clean fun!
i hate it when youre dominating someone on turns and they overtake you on the straight because they have a more powerful bike. then it becomes an infinite loop until one of you decides to go to pit or something and brake the cycle
what mod and gearing thx
Where did you mount the front GoPro? I have an SV1000 and couldn’t really find a good place to view the dashboard without blocking my view
I used a GoPro bonding pad on the top yoke and used a surewo GoPro adapter to adjust the angle
the guy with the R1 is very dangerous for himself and other pilots... he shouldn't be on a track... in fact, he shouldn't drive this kind of bike...
The guy with the Sv650S is very good. a pleasure to watch him driving.
I just bought one of these, I can't wait to take it to the track
Awesome - you’ll love it, fantastic bike
I love the sv650, best bike ever imo
BRAVO
Very impressive. I miss my SV and feel sad that I did not do track days when I had one :)
Thank you 👍. I miss riding my sv - need to get it fixed up a bit before I do any more trackdays on it.
Is the suspension stock or have you got stiffer springs and shock mate? Looking quick, how long have you been doing Trackdays?
Hi Chris, so the front suspension has been modified, drilled out damper rods, racetech gold emulators, thicker oil and stiffer springs.
The rear shock is a Nitron Ntr R3. All set up to my weight.
Tyres are Pirelli Supercorsa Sc1 front and Sc2 rear.
Uprated brake pads and brake lines.
Full racing Titanium M4 exhaust system,
K&N racing air filter, Yoshi tune fueling remap and lightened sprockets. Still has part of the road fairings on.
Thanks for the compliment, I’m trying to push my cornering speed further and maybe eventually start racing.
I’ve been coming to brands hatch for the last 8 years doing trackdays so I’ve done quite a fair amount of laps but there’s still a lot of room for me improve.
Great vid! You mind telling us some of the mods you've made to the bike? About to buy an SV, and it would be great to know some of the things I might want to consider doing.
Hey dude thanks - Heres the list of mods:
M4 full Titanium race exhaust
K&N Racing air filter
Yoshi Tune (fueling remap on dyno - HM racng edenbridge) 72hp.
Hel performance Braided brake lines front and rear.
EBC HH extreme pro sintered pads
Brembo serie Oro front discs.
K tech 0.85 springs
20w fork oil
Racetech gold valve emulators
modified drilled damper rods (front forks)
Nitron NTR R3 racing rear shock absorber with external controls for rebound, compression and preload
suspension setup at HM racing edenbridge.
Tsubaki 525 x ring chain
Renthal ultralight front and rear sprockets.
Pirelli Supercorsa sc1 front tyre
pirelli supercorsa sc2 rear tyre.
Throttle bodies adjusted and balanced using a digital gauge and throttle position sensor adjustment.
stompgrip tank pads.
Standard clutch - uses genuine oil filter - ngk iridium plugs and castrol power 1 racing 10w 40 oil.
cant think of anything else. hope that helps
Hope that helps.
The sound lf the v twin!
What brand of tires are on the sv650?
Pirelli supercorsa, sc1 front sc2 rear
Bless him its a track r1 aswell
😂
I have an sv650s k5, had it a few months now and I was honestly getting bored of it. It’s not very fast in a straight line and the way it puts the power down, is just boring.
But I recently took it to Scotland and it made me appreciate it so much more. Not many riders could keep up in the twistys. Such an amazing handling bike, so balanced.
One thing that was letting me down was the brakes, they lack feel and tend to fade after very hard riding. Suspension can be a bit dodgy round a tight bumpy corner too. Thinking of swapping the front end from a gsxr - do you have any experience with it? Is it worth the hassle?
I agree about it not being fast in a straight line but I would say the power is so much more usable than most other bikes - it’s still quite a torquey engine and it not so important to have it in the high revving sweet spot like a 600 for example. as for the suspension i wouldn’t say swapping the front end to a gsxr is necessary. just by changing to a thicker oil and putting stiffer springs based on your weight will make the front end feel so much better. the rear shock absorber is garbage so I would swap that out - anything aftermarket would be an upgrade. I run a nitron rear shock and it’s a massive improvement - especially on tyre wear on track.
@@SuperBikerGP2T yeah I notice the rear getting a bit squirrelly over bumps. I’ve put 20w oil in the fronts which massively improved it a was so unbelievably soft before.
Main thing for me with the gsxr swap is better brakes, more adjustability and this is also my daily bike - the gsxr front end just looks cool lol.
@@DerKaktusAvant regardless I’m sure it will massively improve the front end. Unfortunately I can’t do this because it’s against mini-twins rules
I’d buy an SV1K and then do the GSXR suspension mods. 650’s are great to learn on but Christ the 1k’s go like shit off a stick
@@CrazyPanda688 literally bought a gsxr yesterday lol
Out of interest what brake setup do you run on track. My SV650 brakes let the bike down IMO, I've got a KTM and that feels like it's literally got twice the stopping power. My pistons are free, discs are clean, my fluid is new and my pads are new but the brakes are so disappointing. Apart from my old VFR750 these are the worse brakes I've ever had. I could do faster but I know I won't get it stopped.
Hey dude, my setup is standard master cylinder and callipers, hel braided brakes lines, ebc sintered pro racing pads and Brembo serie Oro discs (slightly thicker than standard)
They aren’t going to be as amazing as something that has 4 piston callipers but they are pretty good when they get hot. Never fade but still require a decent strong squeeze to really slow the bike down. But that being said - where the brakes aren’t incredible they are still pretty strong with some harsh downshifts to get the engine braking from the rear. And also braking less means higher corner speed 😄
I would suggest that there are a few things that you can do to improve your brakes without huge cost. First you can change to better brake pads which will improve bite and feel at the lever. Changing brake lines to braided type is also a big upgrade, this will improve braking power and also feel with no downsides. If you can move the brake lever inboard a little or move the throttle assembly outward a little, just a few mm, it will put you fingers further out on the lever and increase the amount of force you can apply to the lever. I change the clip ons of my Yamaha 600 to aftermarket ones to save the genuine ones in case of crash and found that the new bars were slightly wider so I could make this change. It also had the benefit of allowing me to change the angle of the bars to something less "sporty" but more comfortable and easier to steer. Hope that helps
Yo whats the jacket brand that the camera guy is wearing?!
Furygan
ufff those were some sexy laps, hope you had great time back then!
crazy lean angles too wow!
@@vojtaborsky cheers mate, if you liked this you should watch my videos from round 7 at brands hatch last year. 3 seconds a lap quicker than in this video
Wow nice riding!! Do you have a Quickshifter onboard?
Thanks high flow, no quickshifter on this thing all clutchless upshifts
You seem a tad undergeared, just a thought use the torque.
Very impressive ride, I'm buying one for a winter build shortly.
👋👋👋
nice lines man! what year sv was this?
Thanks dude! This is a 2009 Sk9s model
Great riding. The R1 should have definitely checked his ego and followed you around to learn a few things. What is you suspension set up on the sv?
Hey hawke thanks. Suspension is standard forks on front but with .90 springs 20w oil and race tech emulators with drilled damper rods. The rear is a nitron ntr r3 shock
@@SuperBikerGP2T Awesome thanks for the reply. I just picked up a SV as a 2nd bike and was thinking of doing the same set up on the fork and getting a new rear shock. Thanks again.
@@108Hawke no worries dude, and yeah doing something like this with the suspension will transform the bike. That standard suspension setup isn’t great and the stock rear shock is pretty poor.
Outta curiosity, how straight forward is the r3 rear shock swap on this? Plug & play or we cutting and pasting a bunch?
Wish Sv650s will come back in production line, love the half fairing. Now we only have Sv650x with a tiny fairing.
Yeah mate I agree, and they were only £5500 brand new back then
masterful riding
Thank you
Someone needs to tell the guy on the r1 that your ego, is not your amigo. He should fall behind the sv and learn a thing or two instead of being a straight line hero haha
😂
Did Cadwell on my Sv650 recently instead of my gsxr and damn, it stood its ground. Loads of people probably went home wondering why they needed a 1000cc bike. Its also amazing how many people arent fit enough to even last 20 minutes on track.
Yeah it’s definitely something that surprises most of the bigger bikes. The sv is perfect for smaller tracks. you wouldn’t get away with it at places like snetterton or donington though but still puts a smile on the face beating a thousand 😂
You can get away with it at donington 😎
I wonder why they’re not opening the full track. Why only the small loop
This was only the brand hatch Indy circuit trackday. the full Grand Prix circuit is only available for trackday a few of times a year due to local council and noise regulations.
Chap on the R1 is a pain in the brown eye.
Hi, can you tell me what gearing you are running here please. Cheers
Hi Terry I believe it’s stock gearing 15-45
@@SuperBikerGP2T Thought it was 14-45, but might be wrong... .Just looking at your rpm to mph... . Anyway who built your forks for you? I'm tracking my SV running stock front with yokes dropped 5mm - but fancy upgrading... . Cheers.
@@motoquincini.45 just double checked and it’s 15t front 45t rear. I built my forks on this. completely disassembled fit new seals and bushes. removed damper rod and drilled an extra hole to the same size as the original holes. Racetech gold emulators set to race spec tension. .85 linear springs and thicker oil (I think it’s 20w) can’t remember air gap but I got the suspension set up at hm racing in Edenbridge - I highly recommend them. Hope that helps!
awesome riding - are you running stock 160 rear tire?
Thanks, yes it’s stock 160 supercorsa sc2
@@SuperBikerGP2T thanks for your reply - i will keep 160 on my sv track build..
@@anhinc good :) the 160 is perfect for the sv. main thing is to make sure it’s a good track tyre.
Pirelli sc1 front and sc2 rear tend to be the best tyres for the sv
The opposite camber on clearways was my favorite corner that messed with a lot of racers heads.
Ive trackdayed on RD500LC/YZF750R/TZR250RSP 3XV//YAMAHA R7OWO2 and the 250 with 45ish bhp was the best giant killer of the lot of em,...
Bro if that r1 was an r6 you'd bury him very good riding on a very good bike
Thanks lol. will be uploading a video of the gp circuit tonight on my Ducati
Great video brother. There is a MINT SV650S 2009 (blue with white stripe) locally for $4000 USD. Super low miles and bone stock. Considering it. I want an SV of some sort so bad!!
That’s exactly what mine is 2009 blue and white striped. I bought it stock from a dealer and did all the mods myself. if it’s got fairly low miles I’d say grab it while you can mate. They are fantastic bikes.
Love it mate, like you said wringing the neck out of it, thats what I like about the SV it just has that right amount. So when you ride it FXXkin hell its just so good. Love my SV, basically got the same set up as yours but use mine on the road.. Have a GSXR1000R as well but just love the way you can cane an SV on the road... And the sound.. :)
Couldn’t agree with you more mate, it’s a truly under rated bike. I love it for brands Indy - it’s a nice balance of power and easy to control when screaming it 👍
@@SuperBikerGP2T Looks like this sector is making a come back as well, the rs660 and the r7... They never mention the SV650S in them videos though? For the price of an RS660 you could basically have a supertwin SV on the road, so to speak.
@@DayleThackeray yeah - to be honest it’s pretty cool that they are starting to make these smaller bikes, they will probably end up being really good on track but they are just so expensive. with that sort of money you could turn an sv into an absolute weapon. probably even run carbon wheels too.
Nice riding👍👍👍 Just bought an sv 650 for the track, doing Cadwell early October, can’t wait.
How did you get on???
@@mooncatt79
Not bad, you really need to keep it wound up but with a few tweaks it’ll be sorted.👍👍
@@brno221973 was the same with my Cbr400rr, u have to keep it up there at all times lol
@@mooncatt79
I find it more fun, had a zx9 before this & I’ll be honest it was a bit of a hand full for my riding skills. You just seem to have loads more time to think on the Sv especially when cornering, makes it more enjoyable in my opinion.👍👍
@@brno221973 well only reason I ask is that I know someone selling his burnt copper red sv650 2003 model. It's in reasonable condition, he wants £1400 for it with 29k on the clock
I have always said bigger isn’t always better
Great fun, whatever u riding
Cheers, it’s a suzuki sv650 K9
SV650 gets a lot of respect as an all-around great bike for newbies and experts, but it doesn't get enough respect as a formidable sport bike. a pro on an sv650 can smoke an amateur on a liter bike any day if you're not strictly drag racing.
Hell yeah buddy, there are guys that race these that are going 4 seconds a lap quicker than me on sv650’s
Last night I went on a Moon Run here in South Africa whereby about 20 of us on everything from New Gen Busas to K5 and everything in between basically race from bar to bar through many of the mountain passes here in Cape Town. If I told the entire RUclips community that the little SV destroyed almost everything that was available as the smallest capacity and lowest powered bike they wouldn't believe. I'm 43 and have legged and owned many a bike in my life but Suzuki SV650 is the creme of cremes in the fun stuff.
That’s awesome mate 😄
@@SuperBikerGP2T by the way.... The way you rode her is exactly how she likes to be ridden. Your a weapon on a fully loaded weapon😊
@@butlersracing7692 😄 cheers mate I do like to ride the hell out of her. Have you checked my newer videos from Minitwin racing
I wouldn't ride anything else one eye in high wind over ou Kaapse Weg mountain pass at night and at 25 years old my gen1 curvy is super reliable and never a drop of oil on the driveway.
@@SuperBikerGP2T sorry been on the low....no I haven't but will be sure to do so now. Thanks 🙏🙏
Nice ride, this r1 would really annoy me thought...
Hehe thanks dude, ahh it’s all good wasnt a proper race
TBF to the lad an R1 would be a lot harder to ride at indy than the lovely SV650
I agree with you - brands Indy is a handful for thousands. I struggle on my ducati to do just 3-4 seconds a lap quicker than this
A lot of wobble. Stiffer compound,PSI.
Looks like you could use a steering dampener. damn good riding though
On a 650😂
@@CrazyPanda688 I speak from experience
I thought Max Torque on these was around 8,500. It's more about Mid Range power from 6,500 to 8,500. Why the need to red line it? Seems its being ridden like a 4cyl.
Am I mistaken?
Great ride by the way though :D
yes they do loose a little bit at the higher revs but my bike has been tuned with a full race system and the power is a little higher to the top so I don’t lose out on much. But I also find that the time lost changing gear to be in the peak power is made up just by holding on a little longer.
Thanks for the compliment :)
@@SuperBikerGP2T Ah Tuned, of course. Should have realised. Makes me want one even more :D
Though i may go for the 1000 :D Cheers.
@@paulknowles9727 if your looking at 1000s check out my latest video at brands on my ducati :) - ruclips.net/video/janoYev_SeI/видео.html
I didn't notice much power loss on mine til about 9500, it liked to rev out once it got past 6/7k
It´s not max torque on the engine that push the bike forward, its the torque to the ground. If you change up earlier to hit peak engine torque, you still loose out in total since the gearing will lessen the torque output to the ground.
The guy in the r1 is a bit off target.
R1 guy body positon is so cringe, almost unwatchable.
In case you see this, go take a course or something my dude.
R1 rider is just not good as you thats the reason.
La différence entre un pilote et des poireaux avec au moins 100 CV de plus, 😂😂😂😂 ...v
Just knew he was gonna be slow. Probably goes through brake pads quicker than his tyres.
😂
r1 rider has low skill level.. afraid to lean and very bad body position..very bad