I Tried Building an Industrial 3D Print Farm
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See how I transformed an empty room into a 3D print farm featuring (25) Prusa i3 mk3S+'s! I walk you through how I did it, what drove my choices, and finally what I think of it all so far. Running a print farm can be hard work but with the right approach we can make it efficient.
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I'm an efficiency expert. One thing you can do to increase uptime on your machines is to have two sets of plates. The moment you pull a plate off one of the machines, put in a blank one and restart the next print, move onto the next machine, and repeat. At the end, when you've restarted as many machines as possible, THEN you pull the finished prints off the plates you just removed (and wipe down the plates). This will save you a few seconds per machine, but over the aggregate, your "uptime" (amount of time the printer is actually doing work) will increase substantially. This is called Single Minute Exchange of Dies (SMED). The idea is that you limit the amount of time a machine is idle as much as possible.
Great thinking!
It’s a great idea and would save time…however, the minor changes in plate thickness means that I’d have to then change the offset in the printer as well. So it would kind of end in a wash I think. The time it takes to remove parts and replace the sheet is about 20 seconds
@ShopNation I think the solution is the CR30. They have a belt for a bed. You can mount them vertically so the prints just fall off the bed as it prints!
@@ShopNation With as many printers as you have (and will have) would it be possible to find matched pairs of build plates for the machines that are close enough in thickness? I know that initial z height is important for first layer, but presumably there are pairs of plates that are close enough to not need a change when swapping?
@@ShopNation there are probing solutions that can help with the change in plate thickness and parallelism. This is one area where a three point bed leaving found in some of the Core XY printers has an advantage.
Neat setup, don't forget to put smart plugs on each printer that way you can shut it off/on when you see a print failure from home.
Stealing this idea for my printer. Brilliant
Great Idea. I love smart plugs. They are efficient and cheap.
Take it one step further and set up Home Assistant so you can automatically shut off the printer when printers are done (and hot end cools of course)
@@jonathanwilbur Yup, I have my smarts plugs with a shutoff timer. Comes in handy for those late night prints.
This has saved me so much filament
You can fit more in the space if you take a tip from libraries, instead of just putting against the wall, have racking come out perpendicular from the wall and completely remove the racking parallel with the wall. If you 3d model it out you can see the difference. I found this out when doing storage design to maximize some garage space. Also you could build some cheap enclosures by cladding the racking with some 4x8 sheets of something and then hook up some air purification or venting. NICE job though taking the steps to get to where you are! Love seeing the electric put in proper. :)
Wouldn't this decrease efficiency since you would need to go in and out of each rack rather than just going down the line
@@danzhu403 The prints take the most time, have more printers = better efficiency
@@danzhu403 Also that would be minor
tbf, you can just mount the machines at an angle to decrease the vertical footprint, allow you to squeeze in an extra shelf. If you let the bed cooldown, parts probably even self release and just slide off the print bed.
More 3D printing related videos please! Would like to see how you manage your print farm for efficiency on the software side of things.
I have 12 printers in a room. I ran some compressed air lines behind the rack as well as a 2.5" line with multiple ports for a shop vac. I live in the Southwest desert where it can get very dusty. This has helped me keep my printers on a regular maintenance schedule. I also bulit a trough (like a gutter) in front of each shelf, again to help with keeping things clean.
Every year you do a RUclips profit review.... would be VERY interesting to see a Print Farm Profit Review .... taking into consideration cost of machinery, supplies, power, shipping, etc. and then measure that against income...... this is fascinating (and I know absolutely NOTHING about 3D printing)
This video has literally nothing that applies to my situation, but I enjoyed it!!
I think something that would be a good project for both “The Lab” and a video, would be an upgraded shop cart with your garbage can, print tools, cleaning/prep supplies.
Thanks dude!
As the owner of an Ender 6 I feel that last comment pretty hard. Its a great printer (once you replace the cooling fan), but there is a lot of work to do to them before they're farm ready. The top end for my 6's performance is miles ahead of anything Prusa has to offer (assuming you get to spend the initial investment difference on fixes for the 6), but when you have to do 30+ printers it can be quite the chore to update the firmware to Klipper, print new fan ducts, replace fans, replace the x-bar, extruder, and hot end, as well as replacing the build plate with magnetic PEI, and add a bed leveling probe. Not expensive really (about $260-$300 in aftermarket stuff), just time consuming first time around. Still, printing at nearly 1 meter per second of real filament extrusion at the same quality as a stock prusa reliably is a huge increase in printer capacity.
If any hobbiest is looking for a half decent core xy platform the 6 is pretty good though. The machine says its $560 or so but you can get them for $430 pretty easily, and assuming you're good willing to spend $3 on blower fans and use the included filament sample to print a new fan duct you're in business with a decent machine pretty much right away. And as previously mentioned if you want to upgrade it over time you can find guides in a few places and with very little modification you can use stuff made for some of the best printers out there (Voron 2.4, HevORT, VZbot).
You should document your setup, that sounds amazing!
You need a Bambu x1 carbon for any parts you want to print with, well, carbon. It is designed for higher tech filaments, like fiber carbon filaments. You would probably end up replacing your entire fleet with them eventually. I wouldn’t though. I would still do PLA or other open-air blends where it makes sense & use other filaments that benefit from enclosures where they make sense. If you aren’t using them yet, you might not need them yet. Carbon filaments are not “black aluminum” no matter what anyone says, though you might find uses for them. The nice thing is that they print very quickly. You can get work done with them in 1/4 to 1/3 the time an MK3S+ can do the same print. You are already looking into everything I just said - the only issue I would worry about as an enterprise like yourself is that Bambu is proprietary. They have excellent pricing on parts, however, in the event they ever go out of business, you have to find an alternative.
I recommend installing a deflector on the air conditioner to divert the flow of cold air from the printers to the ceiling. and also install an automatic humidity and temperature control system.
13:46 I am a proponent for Enders. My whole farm is made of 25 Enders S1s and they kick ass. Thanks for making us feel included though even if it’s just to rag on us.
How long have you been running that many?
@@ShopNation 2 years on looped gcode. The parts I print are all 15+ hour prints and the gcode I made knocks the parts off and starts over. I hang 3kg spools from the shelves. You can feed a printer below OR above the 3kg roll. I didn’t have enough capital to start my business so I had to use cheap Ender 3v2s. I have no upgraded to all S1s. The key is using sprit extruders. I only Change filament every 2.5-3 weeks
@@ShopNation there is a lot of variance because of the growth but I still have all the original ender 3v2s going since day one. Aside from changing bed springs and a sprite extruder they have been amazing. I started with 300 dollars and made it here. I love your setup! Can’t wait to see you grow!
@@ShopNation I’ll check some machine times later to see which is my oldest lol.
Add bars to the windows, high decibel sirens inside/outside your location with flashing lights, non-water fire suppression (?), positive (if possible) air pressure for the print farm room? Also dust collection.
It’s gonna cost, but have your insurance agent come out & inspect the setup.
Wow. Look at you go! Continued best wishes. Your attention to detail and uncluttered setups have always been two of your top strengths.
You should have considered UniFi Protect for cameras - no cloud storage, 4k quality, even HDR. Great for timelapse footage and no creepy Eufy folks accessing your data. They even have a DSLR security camera for really high quality. And they have PTZ cameras
One thing I did for a prusa print farm was mount the spool in front of the printer on the rack bar.
as a guy who runs an ender.....yeah....don't, sure they are extremely affordable, but they don't hold tolerances needed for factory production repeatability. Its your shop/business, you know what you're about, you got this
11:17 Ha! You finally got the Bosch gliding miter saw. After seeing your video about the rigid I tried it thinking it can’t be as bad as some people say. Tried it and just couldn’t live with the play left to right. So got the Bosch for a couple hundred more. Glad I did, I’m sure you’ll like it too.
Do more research on your sponsor Eufy. I don't think you want your subscribers to be recorded and watched unknowingly. This company claimed to encrypt your stuff which is a lie.
I agree! People really need to vet these companies that offer sponsorship.
I think they did finally fix the issue. But yes, Eufy was not the most honest when the leaks happened.
@@Cornerstone_Creative if I remember correctly they admitted the system wasn't secured like they said, they didn't really took responsibility and they play with words to effectively lie about it but the issue persists.
@@V1N_574 I think LTT mentioned on their WAN show that the issue is now resolved (I have these cameras and got the update), but they still never took blame and strangely, made a direct point that they were not sorry?
Granted, most of issue was a little more click bait as the only thing that was uploaded is a thumbnail for you to get image on the notification if you are away from home. The rest of the security concerns are nullified if you don’t port forward
Fixed now but yeah none of these sponsors really holding up much of a moral cornerstone haha. Wild days
I did my shop with the 8' barrina's - nice lights. durable as I dropped one or two. Currently unheated shop when i'm not there. gonna get some 4' next and redo my basement's old shoplights
I'm not sure that even the Bros would recommend running a large farm like yours on Enders, but they are 1/5 the cost and a great way to get started - run the wheels off of them until you get profitable and upgrade to studier machines.
I don't run my 4 Enders as hard as you do, but when I have a project they have run for weeks on end with no issues.
Interested to see your take on the Bambu P1P
Lol, I run my 8 Enders day in and day out, fans are the only thing that go out from time to time. And maybe occasionally Bowden tubes. But really they are great for the price, a lot easier to get out of the red and maybe then invest in better printers. But prusa is getting to be pretty dated tech. I’m sure they’ve seen a big decline since Bambu launched
With your expanding farm, how do you manage the farm? How are you transferring files to the printers? What about maintenance and failure tracking?
Love the series! Thanks!
Great job, you and this channel have come so far. Keep striving for greatness in all you do.
Your gonna love the Bambu lab, it’s awesome!!
nice setup, just a comment about placing printers near window:
1) If your considering placing printers near windows, then take into considerasion the downward draft from glass surface, do to inner surface cold temparature, that would result in cold temp. dropping down along wall. wether it would be a problem or not is hard to say do to alot of factors. but I think i may be able to be countered, by placing insulation material (that dont releas fibers and toxic gases) in the inner window hole and leave a gap at top, to insure that humidity between insulation material and window is limited.
A buddy just picked up the Bambu X1. After seeing it in action, I'm very tempted to pick one up myself. You're gonna like it. Love the videos, one of the best channels I follow; keep it up!
Just found your channel. Great stuff.
I'm from an IT and project management background. I would suggest separating your power from the print shelves as you grow. That would also allow you to put more printers easily on a shelf (yes, I realize 3 look great on camera). Move to a power distribution system with centralized redundant rack-mounted UPS units, preferable 240V, which could also house a print farm server. It may seem like a lot of money, but simplified administration, efficiency gains, reduced downtime due to failures, and reduced overall replacement costs will be worth it in a shorter time frame than you would expect. On another note, you could easily use cameras with some basic machine imaging to determine some failures, as well as when they stop. Drop a line if you want some ideas.
Oh hell yes Travis, you'll have the dust throat for my dewalt 713 done in no time!
Congrats on the progress.
I bought one of your 3d printed dust collector adapter for my 12'' Bosch miter saw, it works great.
Print idea.....dust collection hardware set? connectors, adapters, blast gates, things like that and sell them individually or as a kit. I am currently shopping for how to set up a very simple dust collection for my new table saw and maybe one auxiliary hose. It would be cool to buy the materials from a small business such as yourself.
Just a thought, maybe put a strip of foam in between each board to help with any potential shifting of the boards so they won't rub against each other. May not be necessary at all, just a thought I had.
Very, very well done. Be proud. This channel is great and you are a great teacher as well.
Awesome! One thing I haven't seen you mention yet was environmental monitoring, i.e. Temp and Humidity. I'm not sure how sensitive those printers are to changes and it sounds like you have them running when you are absent. There are tons of products out there that can send you alerts when things get outside of your parameters. I currently use the SensorPush line since it ties into my Homeseer system and can run some automation routines for me. Depending on the alarm system you either have or may go with, there may be options there as well.
Another suggestion would be to make sure that ALL of your networking equipment is set up on a battery backup that would be large enough to run it for several hours and to make sure your "NVR" box (the brain for your cameras) is also on it. That way, if the power was out (whether by a storm or someone who wanted to see how much those printers were worth at the pawn shop), you would be recording full time and you would also be able to use your camera app to view what's going on. Even with a generator, having all that equipment on a backup would stop it from power cycling while the generator was powering up.
Funny thing, I was just wondering how the backyard project was coming along and wondering when you would post another video. Guess you read my mind. Thanks as always and enjoyed the update.
Your dampening strategies are brilliant! I’d be surprised if they don’t work out.
I print production parts seasonally with my ender 3. Out of the box they are not fit for a farm, but with modifications such as a dual leadscrew and a completely new print head and mainboard, mine has been exceptionally reliable for less than half the cost of a Prusa. It's still a option for a farm, but not if you need to rebuild more than 3 or so machines due to the time involved.
Second video of yours that I stumbled upon.... You are very versatile with your talents... I've got two MK3's and a MK4 and XL on order in addition to a garage shop I'm putting together.
I'll have to make some time and research your past videos... Thanks.
So cool to follow you on the journey. Really happy for you. Great channel.
Nice setup, wish I had more room in my little office. The only thing I would do different is in regards to the security cameras. I would not use wifi cameras as it isn't that hard to disable the signal, you still can do the same with wired but more work.
Idea for your filament. feed them through tubing (1/4 RO line would work nicely for that) from your storage self to the printers would make monitoring and changing the rolls easier.
Really enjoyed that video. Good luck and I look forward to your next installment
I’m jealous!! 😂😂
I’ve got so many questions, no idea where to start.. I’m loving this journey you’re on!!
Congratulations on the new setup! Looking forward to seeing more of the shed build.
I wonder how many items need to sell just to cover the overhead of the new building..I love your journey , your videos are always entertaining and very informative. I ask that question to understand at what scale you need to reach to think about a commercial building. I am a retired guy with a cnc at home and I see the potential in making a side hustle for some side cash so I can buy some eggs again.. lol thank you for sharing your journey with everyone..
Awesome to see that in action. Future request, a dust collector for a Makita LS1219L Sliding Miter Saw.
Very nice, the print room looks Fantastic. Just make sure those windows are covered with either blinds, or bars from the outside making doubly sure that nobody sees inside those rooms.
Take Care and Stay Safe.
Barry (ENG)
You figure out a good dust collection for that Bosh you have done something . excited to see this journey.
I would 100% recommend Bambu Labs P1S. I have mine printing almost 24/7 and the print speed will help get more prints out the door. I am waiting on my Qidi Max 3 to show up, I am excited to print more exotics filaments at Bambu Labs speeds.
Great video lots of useful information.
You could put more shelving perpendicular to the walls instead of along them, so that you can get quite a bit more units in if that day should come.
For your comment about Ender's at the end of the video, I do think they have a place, but more as an introductory printer than a long-term Workhorse that you're going to use consistently for years. I have one, and it works decently for the most part, but it's definitely not without its issues. It's already been down more than once within the last few months of me really starting to use it, and while I don't anticipate that stopping entirely, I do plan to upgrade things as they need replacing to increase the longevity. Long-term plan is obviously to just get some better printers, but as a starter it's nice to have something that's a bit easier on the wallet :p
I've been following you for several years now and love your content! Oh and I have an ender!
I don’t have anything against Enders, just not for print farms
Security wise I'd put a sheet of one way tint or something over that window so people couldn't see in
Also personally I'd get printers where the print bed just moves up and down. I've gotten a lot smoother prints with those because the part isn't being jostled around as the bed moves
Been with you since the beginning....."you have come far Grasshopper"😁
We're going to have to call you The Dude, cuz you just keep getting cooler!
I know nothing about 3D printing, and am not likely to get one, but I watched it anyway. That's respect to you my friend. Hopefully this will accelerate development of the dust shroud for the GCM12GDL!
That is how I justified it! Of course buying an $800 Prusa just to print a $50 dust collector is not exactly worth it but kept a list of 3d parts I wanted to print for years so it was easy to justify for me...plus I despise working on my own equipment...your job it to print, not to have me babysit you. :)
Very cool, and organized shop.
I appreciate these kinds of videos. (Also use to LED lights in my garage and they have been great. Thanks for recommending them.)
This is the first EVER add in a video I am interested in. Can you keep us updated on how well they work long term?
I’d love to see some videos on most efficient ways to start a home shop - what to consider, first few purchases, etc (including the first tools to help build the shop infrastructure itself)
I've been a business owner for 22 years and I will give you some small advise. I would say his #1 asset is his ability to innovate new products....versus the ability to produce them. Take into account that one of his prints takes roughly 14 hours to complete. I know...I bought the file and printed it myself on the exact same prusa printer. People will begin to copy his file and sell them for less on etsy...and it will eventually get uploaded for free on thingiverse or the like. This will not ruin his business but it will affect it. I think he enjoys making new products and this love for design and desire to make new products will allow him to grow. The print farm is worthless without this ability. The money is in him...not the farm or the tools, if that makes any sense. Get really good at designing new products....of your own. If you design a product you think will sell good...buy one single printer. Test the market. If he is making roughly $38 profit per print and he can do one print in 14 hours and he has 25 printers he probably makes right around a $1,000 a day. He is trying to get to 75 printers so roughy $3,000 a day...not counting the $75k he will have in printers and the rental space and electric bill. You figure in about 3 months he will get back his total investment and be making straight profit from his prints minus expenses and fees. You can do it too. Everything is possible. It all comes down to home much of your own time and energy do you want to put into making a business grow. He probably has thousands of hours into learning 3D modeling...printing...and sales. Enjoy...and remember...there are really only two things in life: Do or Don't do. Pick one.
I have ordered for Bambu Labs P1P and X1 combo printers. If good for trouble free printing, then I will get more to start a print farm.
I run a Ender 3 and CR-10. What I’ll say that I like is how inexpensive it is to run. The only downside is reliability issues, but once you mod it, they tend to get better.
how did you mod it?
@@metingul7282 new extruder
Hi, plug each printer to WiFi jack. When you check your camera and see printing get wrong or filament line broke (that happens) you can turn off your printer from anywhere.
Hey dude. I do industrial automation 24/7/365. If you get to the point you want info or advice with robotic print farm tending feel free to ask me at any point. To max out how many you can fit on each circuit you can put separate inline relays, controlled by an arduino or whatever you're familiar with, to the bed heaters and write a simple script to only allow a certain # of heaters to be turned on at any one time. They turn on and off to regulate temp already, so this just makes it so they don't all turn on at the same time.
As much as you are going to be printing, I suggest giving a lot of thought to the Creality CR-30 3D Printer 3DPrintMill Infinite Z Belt. 3D printer nerd has some good videos about this model. You can mount it vertically and the print will fall into a bucket as the belt knocks it off. No plate changes, just start it and go.
Enjoyed! Looking forward to seeing the growth and organization of the new space
Great video series! I’d love it if you’d do a deep dive on your design process.
Amazing setup! 🔥
Keep up the awesome work man!
What is the tipping point where it makes sense to move to a different process like injection molding?
Great video. Been following you for quite a while on the workshop side of things, but I'm also building a print farm, so may use some of your tips... Also very rare that I watch through a sponsored ad in a video, but you've got a sponsor there I'm happy to support
great job, keep up the hard work!
Wow absolutely amazing to see what you have done Congratulations on the new place. Can’t wait to see what amazing things you come up with and new products. Hope that one of your new products is dust collection for the Ridgid 4222 miter saw you do such great things with all the other ones you have made.
Looking good
Why the dislike or Ender printers? Just curious, I have one for home use. Bought it off Amazon because of price. I use it for home and work, Mech Eng, day job. I have done some basic updates nothing crazy. However, I have seen videos where people have done some crazy things especially with octoprint, I have never used it. Might be helpful for a farm as apparently you can monitor, start and stop prints with it remotely. Allegedly you can send a print job to your 3d printer just like you do to you home paper printer.
Enders are GREAT for getting into the hobby and having fun with. Absolutely no issues with them there...they are just not built for constant reliable use. A print farm is a factory where uptime and reliability are important. The 2-3x cost of the Prusas is easily outweighed by the bulletproof reliability. That's all I was pointing out there
So keen for when you make the 12inch Bosch glide (GDL version) dust collector adaptor for us Aussie woodworkers! Thank you!
keep it up! you are doing great!
It'd be interesting to learn how you approach maintenance on your print farm. How often is a machine down, and do you do preventive maintenance or wait until something needs fixing. Cheers!
Have you looked into OctoPrint? I'd be interested to know your thoughts on if its features could improve your efficiency/print monitoring
Hi just an observation. When you added the LED lights dis you add the brackets to just one board as it looked like you added them to 2 boards effectively joining them together
No they are both on one board, keeping everything separated
Are you going to install bars on the windows to keep out looky-lous?
What do you do to keep your filament dry? Humidity can wreak havoc on it. You could design a custom dehumidifier cabinet like ILTMS did on their channel perhaps. Would be a good video to see how someone designs that at scale for a business.
Lol, dude you're awesome! I love the entire shop greatness thing. But it's also been great seeing the shed build. And the new space your seeing up. Oh yeah and print farm. I don't have any idea. Lol take care man.
Id set some inexpensive esp32 cam at the front of each printer and setup a web server to watch each printer individually, so you can remotely shut down the printer if it has decided to print some spaguetti
You could also try and set up octo print with the octo everywhere plug in so you could view each printer individually
3:05 MDF is damping, but the worst choice with water from the top. Better choose screen printing plate and rubber feet for each printer.
You could also put foam in between each sheet
It feels exciting just to follow your journey mate can’t image how pumped you must be feeling and stressed and all those other emotions keep grinding mate you deserve all the success you getting. A question about your print farm are you running any online printer automations like octoprint or something similar that lets you control everything remotely? If you could design a mechanism to remove a finished print off a cooled glass bed or something you could then auto start the next print remotely.
No 3rd party software at the moment. The Prusas are not sophisticated machines which is why they work so well as workhorses.
Awesome info a man makes me want to get a setup rolling .
I like the separate local storage on those cameras. I run the cheaper Wyze 3 cameras at home. I like them but the onboard micro-sd is sort of a pain to access and is limiting in the amount of storage available. Also the battery and attached solar panel on those eufy cameras is really cool. You can put those almost anywhere on your property and not have to worry about having an outlet nearby or running power to it.
You should think about closing up that window. Kill two birds with one stone. More shelves and no easy access for bad guys.
That room is going to be a really awesome setup. I hope you get close to the 72 printers going.
Lokks nice man! Congrats and success! I have an Ender, no issues so far, but I don't have a farm, so, not comparable to your experience, if I need another one I want to try a prusa
Man I wish to have a little farm of my own like this some day. Even if its a 50/50 3d print/CNC farm.
Those condensation pumps under your mini-split can fail. Which would cause overflow problem. Make sure the safety switch in the pump is connected to the mini-split to shut it down if pump quits.
Ender Bro Here! 🤣
I like my Ender printers, but yes, they require some tweaking and maybe parts to keep them running. My favorite printer is by far the Ender 5 Plus. Ive done some pretty huge prints on it that I dont think anything else can do.
One think I've noted about those Cyber Power UPS is that their battery is good for about a bit over a year before they'll either see a drastic reduction of charge or not hold charge anymore. I've gone through 3 of the 1500VA in the past few years.
I'm an ender guy and the first thing I would tell someone is that if you want consistent reliability, you don't need to look at ender, ever. That said, I am thinking of the Bambu X1 when I scrape the cash together.
I can't wait to hear what you think about the Bamboo Labs machine in a print farm setting.
What's your plan for recycling the probably quite large amount of scrap prints, support materials etc? Maybe you could look into DIY injection molding setups and get a couple molds for that.
...and continue to pursue... uh..., print farm greatness?
We own a few Eufy cameras.. My mum wont stop getting them lol, they are awesome.
Great work!!
Mate, I fly aircraft for a living and based/live in Australia, and don't get a heap of time to look at RUclips vids, however I love your style and of course content. Top work! AAA