2024 F1 Belgian GP race analysis by Peter Windsor
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- It was a bittersweet day for Mercedes, with George Russell being disqualified after winning the race on the road with a stunning one-stop strategy and Sir Lewis Hamilton, who finished in his shadow, taking over the win. Russell's car was found to be 1.5kg under the minimum weight limit in post-race scrutineering - and Mercedes already seem to have accepted that there were no extraneous circumstances. This is the second time in two races that the Russell car has been the subject of a weight margin issue: in Hungary qualifying, Russell missed the Q1 cut when his car ran out of fuel before the chequered flag. McLaren-Mercedes' Oscar Piastri finished third on the road in Spa, right behind the Mercedes pair, and thus moves up to P2 in the final results; and P3 now, after leading initially from the pole, was Ferrari's Charles Leclerc. Max Verstappen, who started P11 after incurring a ten-place grid penalty due to an out-of-regulation engine change, finished fourth and thus goes into the August break with a comfortable 78-point lead over McLaren-Mercedes' Lando Norris (who finished P5 in Belgium). Peter Windsor in this video looks back at an extraordinary day in the Ardennes forest - at the strategy that appeared to give Russell the win; at Lewis Hamilton's immaculate drive; at why the McLaren-Mercedes and Ferrari challenges fell short; and at how Verstappen's drive evolved from P11 to P4.
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“Mclaren fell away”.. barely even mentions Oscar Piastri..
Peter just disregarding the fact that Piastri finished 1 second behind the leader despite losing 5+ seconds in the last pit stop and having to overtake leclerc (with a superb move btw). And setting fastest lap on 17 lap old hards..
These last few weeks I’ve really fallen off Peters analysis. Some very odd takes that are objectively just plain wrong
He just refuses to eat crow.
Very happy for Lewis, drove a great race...deserved the win.
He won this on pure pace. Didn't need any luck or bad McLaren strategy. Yes, Max would have been on pole, but given how he looked in the entire race, I'm unconvinced that he would have won.
Clean air would've won. So Max probably would've won@dereksbooks
@@dereksbooks What do you mean with; "..but given how he looked the entire race.."? I mean; he gained 6 positions. No one pasted him during the race. And being upfront with clean air would have probably make his pace even better. Atleast that is what Piastri was saying...
@@dereksbooksfreakin' hilarious take..
@@dereksbookslol max moved up 6 spot. If he started pole he would have won
Lewis drove a fantastic race. I feel like he’s being under appreciated today
Someone will always say that, being knighted and someone I'm sure said he deserved more or this should have happened years ago they should be ashamed.
@ThmsDouglas if anyone should be ashamed it's you with comment like this. What has the race got to do with Sir Lewis Hamilton being knighted?? 😮
@@ThmsDouglas Knighthood has nothing to do with his talent.
... always these mindless comments. Lewis literally got Driver of the Day. "underappreciated"?? the majority of people thought he was the best driver today, that's literally the downright definition of appreciation. but yea keep on yapping.
What are you even on about? He literally got Driver of the Day even though Russell initially won. Will Lewis' fans ever be happy?
As an antipodean very proud of Piastri, I cant help noticing a typical Pom looking down on or ignoring another stellar performance from "The Colonies" . I mean really, Mclaren fell away ? You're missing one of the most interesting threads of the season with your miopic view that Lando is the only (Brit) driver in the McLaren team. Piastri is in his second year, regularly up on the podium now. In such a short amount of time has learnt how to manage tyres and developed at such an amazing rate. But you barely even rate him a mention. Max, Max, Max. Whatever. Mark my words. Piastri will be on the top step regularly before you know it. His trajectory is inevitable and you don't even notice.
Agreed. It's quite obvious that Windsor doesn't rate Piastri. For him, there's one driver in the McLaren and someone there to support him.
@@bcm70well so far norris is still clearly quicker in the race
@@thefluzzer6345 Up until the last bit of this season I'd agree. However, Piastri appears to be getting on top of his main weakness, which has been tyre management. The last two races in particular, Piastri has been the better driver on race day.
@@bcm70 Nah it was just harder to see because norris fucks up his start and then gets stuck in dirty air. Put the both on the front row and norris will once again run away with it. As he always does. Pastry is very talented but norris has a massive experience advantage.
@@thefluzzer6345 He does have a massive experience advantage, but Piastri is defnitely closing that down. Give it another 12 months and I think Piastri will be clearly better.
I consider that , contrary to what Peter tells, the weight advantage for George due to the low weight is considerable.
I found an article (in Dutch) about the RB 18, start of 2022 season.
There was told that the overweight of that car would cost them 0,3 seconds / lap.
The car was , moment of writing this, 10 -15 kg overweight.
Also we know that to the end of the race when cars have less fuel on board (up to 100kg) they drive seconds faster each lap (with the same tyres...in other words directly after a pitstop).
1,5KG during the complete race would make George on average 0,05 to 0,1 second faster each lap.
That is a considerable amount...And we know that also tyres are degrading faster with more weight...
double advantage for George.
(O,1 second faster at 44 laps is about 4,5 seconds....at least....with the very close finish from Lewis and Pisatri this tells me that even this tiny underweight could have been the key to the success in drivimg for George)
Amazing drive today from Lewis 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🐐
I don’t know what’s changed lately Peter, but you seem to be extremely down on Oscar Piastri and riding Lando‘s coattails, despite the fact that Lando bottled his start again when in a position to do something good in the race. The McLaren challenge wasn’t diluted, because Oscar was the only one who had the skills and ability to challenge the Mercedes drivers. His much vaunted teammate Lando Norris was buried in the back of the pack because he stuffed the start, and then didn’t drive well enough. Might be time for you to open your eyes mate. Oscar is out performing Lando and I know people don’t like to hear that, but that’s what’s happening right now.
Peter has the typical ingrained British bias, but he also seems to have blinders on when it comes to Piastri. Too many people are sleeping on Oscar after touting Lando as the only person who can challenge Max. Meanwhile, Piastri is improving every single race, getting quicker and quicker with a much more sensible head on his shoulders than emotional Lando.
@@Bilson420Peter isnt British though, you can hear in his accent if you listen carefully.
@@jamtalawah2231 I know he was born in Australia but he still seem to share the British bias. I believe he's spent most of his life outside of Australia
@@jamtalawah2231I think he’s British and Australian dual nationality
If George would have pitted, he would have ended behind Lando. If the hards would dropped massively he would have ended third. Good call by George. It was his call. Unfortunately not the reward he deserved. But Lewis drove superbly, so good winner of a great race
Ohh look. A reasonable comment. Finally
I wonder how much weight those tyres lost?
Well, it was worth the risk but in the end, if the team had known that this was going to be an issue, why did they risk it?
In my view, it is quite irresponsible of the team and the stunt they tried to pull by fooling the FIA with the fuel not drawn, they should hold their collective heads in shame.
Lewis is on his way out, engineering wins for George should not be their priority right now, they should be constantly working on optimizing the car for both drivers and trying to finish higher up on the constructors standings. This reeks of desperation on the part of Mercedes and I am not impressed one bit. If they had pulled George in, they would have had more points overall as a team, that should have been the priority.
@@jkbzz Well said....
Well said.
Lewis mentioned after the race that a 1 stop was discussed prerace as an option. When Russel was asked if the one stop was his decision he said it was the teams. Lewis complained that even after telling the engineers over the radio that his tires were good, they never discussed the one stop, only did with Russel, that's why Ham was so livid.
Problem is that Hamilton says Mercedes never makes mistake and he backs Mercedes-Benz 100%, but then leaves the team to join Ferrari. Hamilton's views are often odd (Button fans remember the telemetry on Instagram nonsense). Does he back Mercedes-Benz 100% as they never make mistakes or not? Which is it? 🙂
@@TassieLorenzoI believe he decided to leave Merc because they didn’t offer a long enough contract. Also probably the reasons Peter has stated before.
Source: Trust me Bro.
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Perhaps..however it’s obvious Mercedes ain’t trying to back Lewis fully and that’s understandable.. Personally I think Lewis should call his own strategy and be done with it. He’s moving anyway…
Problem is Hamilton did get the best strategy, but he moaned anyway. He was racing McLaren, George was an oddity who wasn't in the running before hand and the 1 stopper made him too light.
Pete's not going have a cry about Oscar having the inside line at turn 1 over Lando this week!!
It’s amazing to me how many of these reviews of the 2024 Belgium GP that I’ve seen completely ignore the fact that Merc allowed RUS to change team strategy to the detriment of Lewis and did not inform Lewis early enough of the implications of the change in strategy to split the strategies across drivers. Lewis should have been given full information to 1.) Opt for a one stop for himself; and 2.) Deploy his tires to challenge RUS much earlier in the final stint
Didn't Lewis also say he felt there was plenty of life in the tyres when he was pitted
@@Gez492 Why didnt he ask for one stop like Russell did?
That's just Lewis being Lewis.
"Bono, my tyres are gone!" *gets fastest lap*
"Bono, my tyres are okay." *immediately pits*
But if he did a one stop, he would risk being DSQ no?
No good saying it after you've been smoked by your teammate.
@@anngo4140 What? How is it gonna dsq someone? 🤔
Where was No. 1 driver Lando today Peter? 💀💀💀
Hello, my personal feeling is that the most deserved Driver of the Day official 'Sales Force' prized went to Lewis Hamilton - 26.1% - Oscar Piastri - 14.9% - Max Verstappen - 10.7% - George Russell - 9.4%, who only ranked better than Charles Leclerc - 7.1%, and for what I saw, this pretty much reflected what I saw on my screen
Lando has work to do this back half of the season. Piastri's comin'.
"No-one else realised that" - didn't Alonso do 31 laps on the hard? And managed to do so without breaking weight limits. He remains a hugely underrated driver :¬(
Did you forget that Lewis didn’t know about George’s change in strategy? He was told to keep the car behind -behind- and never got information that he was also racing George. He had pushed faster and harder after the second stop had he known that GR was a threat.
They had conspired yet again to cheat Lewis of the win... karma is God.
@@KK-yghYes Mercedes wants to cheat Lewis Hamilton out of a win to put George with 40 laps old tires in front and let piastri endanger their whole 1-2. You LuLu fans are on another planet.
@@mrRTvids the fact is merc notified Lewis about lecrec and Piastri but never told him George. That did in fact happen. Yo can’t argue that away with calling his fans crazy. Now why Mercedes chose to not to inform Lewis about George strategies debatable and quite frankly they were up to the usual sabatoge ways but got caught scheming.
@@mrRTvidslol yip some of these fanboys are nutters 😂
The reality is that Mercedes merely split their strategies to cover all bases.
The fact that none of the top runners really considered the one stop just showed what a gamble Russell made - he really had nothing to lose coz he wasn't going to threaten a podium on the normal strategy.
Mercedes not telling Lewis that George was on for the win could simply mean that they thought the tyres would go off more significantly and that Lewis would invert their positions anyways.
Not everything is some grand conspiracy
@@mrRTvids that’s exactly what they did though! One more lap and Oscar was there beside them. I thought it was stupid from Mercedes, because I am 100% sure that if it would have been Lewis leading with old tires, they would have asked Lewis to give position to George to protect the 1-2 due to the difference in the tire strategies. I’m not saying is conspiracy, but they dropped the ball in both cases and for both drivers. Luckily Lewis had the race he had and managed to extend the lead from Piastri. Else, both his race and George’s would have been affected.
Peter, How did Oscar illegally push Lando off at t1 this week Peter?.......
Because lando is British 😢😢
@@alcoyne3333333333333 this Peter bloke is so bias towards the British drivers…. I was astounded at his comments about Oscar illegally passing Norris at Hungry and that he should have given back the place to Norris🤪
He’s just another delusional British out of touch so called pundit!
Everyone keeps on saying George took a gamble that worked, how did ot work when he got disqualified? If failed spectacularly. New F1 tyres weigh 43kg. If a driver does a long stint like what George did, the tyres lose 3kg. That 3kg or 1.5kg of it is what George needed in order to be within weight if he had pitted as he was supposed to. He chose not to pit thus giving up making the deficit of 3kg which needed to in weight. He really needed that pit stop. These cars are so precise in terms of engineering to the extent that every gram is important. Not pittting cost him the points in this race. He was never going to win it, he gambled, he lost. Everyone saying he should have won, i don't how you are arriving at that opinion. Where was he magically going to get the 3kg he needed which would have come from a new set of tyres?
The way things are going I think it’ll close between Oscar and Lando by the end of the season. Oscar has looked capable of winning the last three races.
It saved him over a second over the entire race. I dont understand why Peter would say it made no difference
2.64 seconds
Sometimes he talks rubbish.......if it was so miniscule why was he penalized so harshly......smh
@@andrehoward5130 He was penalised because rules are rules.
@@andrehoward5130 because he was outside the rules . Same with lewis is cota last year , that would of made little to no differnce and still got DSQ
You obviously haven't got a clue about motor racing. Underweight by 1.5kg is not over a second over the entire race, 1.5kg would make no difference to lap times.
Peter, a little confused how you did not highlight Leclerc's efforts today. Terrific performance to keep the car in P4, a head of Max and Lando with an inferior car that's comfortably fourth fastest. This entire weekend has been nothing, but superb. Hope Ferrari can bounce back after the break.
Great drive by him but Ferrari is toast. 4th fastest by some margin now. They can never keep up development wise over a season.
@@ELcinegatto87 hard to keep up when you follow the rules I guess.
True. I was absolutely sure he would be overtaken by Max and Lando. Great race from Charles!
Wholeheartedly agree! Ferrari a little slow but Charles himself quick and faultless all weekend. Peter made no comment about him. Oh for a quick car - they wouldn’t see which way he went!
Absolutely.
Nobody seems to mention that it was his one stop strategy that put him in a position he never looked like deserving, and ultimately cost him the win as Horner stated afterward that they were seeing degrading of up 2kg of tyre wear during practice. Mercedes messed up.
But then this is a messed up system we have. If you have no wiggle room to do such things with the strategy, then another possible factor of an interesting, exciting race goes out on the window. Like, why is this even a thing? The FIA really need to rethink a WHOLE LOT of stuff...
@@staLkerhu then again if all the other teams took this into account and mercedes did not it woud just be unfair perhaps even considered cheating its just no way they didnt know
@@staLkerhu Yeah, you’re right, let’s just have motor racing without any rules or regulations.
Whether or not certain rules dull down races, they are in place typically for safety and integrity reasons. In the case of setting a minimum weight, it is to ensure both safety and fair competition as the removal of a weight limit would lead to more teams pushing tyres to potential breaking points and would also mean that the completion could be impacted dramatically, for instance, if one team found a way to drastically reduce the weight of a certain part that the other teams couldn’t.
It is Formula 1, you cant just take the formula out of it.
It was clever thinking on his part to put him in the lead and then to stay there.
max is a class act, together with Hamilton.......these two are so different and always top with a lesser car.....true beast the both of them....
100%. Max just maximising the result today too again in a tricky situation
yea.
Max has a good car and instantly wins.
Lewis gets a good car and instantly delivers.
Norris has a great car and wins 1 race out of 8-9
You can add Oscar to that list - seriously good.
@@markkadams44I thought MV was very average today, but then so is the RB20 at the moment.
@@andyglastonbury6032 yeah I’ve seen it before though, difficult in that dirty air as we’ve seen with Lewis through the last couple years, very difficult to show your true pace when you are stuck behind slower cars
LH's question about whether "'he was OK"" in the closing stages, was in regard to Piastri coz he was clearly closing down George (a teamate) but Piastri was closing rapidly. That was what was the real unknown. And also, that much weight difference is definitely significant in lap times.
Yes! 1.5Kg is worth around 3 seconds over a full race distance!....Instead of having to make up 8 seconds in 10 -12 laps in order to catch George, Lewis instead would have needed to make up around 5 seconds over the same duration: which would have allowed him to preserve more tyre delta in order to maximise his opportunity of overtaking George, and thus pulling clear for victory!
This guy will say anything that comes to mind and speak it as though it’s fact or law. Idk how he thinks that much weight isn’t significant.
Piastri wasn't closing "rapidly" to Hamilton at all. It was only when Hamilton got to the back of Russell without being able to pass that Piastri got to him.
@Thorwk1
Well Oscar was just about in DRS behind Lewis.. I actually think Mercedes knew they screwed up by letting George go long so they used Lewis to fend off Oscar and it damn’er backfired on them..
@@Thorwk1 he was closing in well before that. The commentary team confirmed it live - that radio from Hamilton came immediately after Mercedes told Hamilton about Piastri’s pace.
His comment about being able to make it, was a direct reply to the team telling him about Oscar.
No offense there's no way GR was keeping his position with 1.5KG of weight, That's worth about 3-5 Seconds of overall race at Spa
Peter is losing it
@@lukealadeen7836 agreed, lately he’s been making some questionable takes.
Right. 1.5kgs weighs a lot more on track than it does sat in parc ferme
Ok master, what's your F1 experience? Peter has done more of the business side of things rather than pure technical, but has spent a good few years in the paddock so he might've picked up a thing or two, don't you think?
Back to your claim - 4 seconds over the race it's about less than 0.1 seconds a lap which works very differently when cars are in clean air compared to when they are stacked together. So we can't really just subtract 4 seconds of his time and call it a day. One would basically need to rerun a simulation lap by lap to see how it might've gone. You did that right?
@@mk33kmyep and 1.5kg is a lot on tyre wear
They just made Oscar the number 1 McLaren driver
Oscar is straight up invisible to Peter, it’s hillarious
Yes. Oscar nailed the start - yet again he got past his teammate, did some amazing overtakes on a track where others couldn't overtake, and ran a faultless race for P2. Totally ignored again in Peter's commentary.
It's because he's not English 😂
In his first year, Windsor couldn’t stop gushing over Oscar while this year he’s either hating him or largely ignoring him. Weird.
He straight up disrespected and mocked him in the previous race commentary so.
@@MC-rs6vwWhat I found so annoying was how neither the stewards or past F1 drivers had any issue with Oscar’s pass on turn 1, yet Windsor was acting as though it was the worst manoeuvre in F1 history.
Lewis - "I didn't like my strategy"
1 hour later
Lewis - "I did like my strategy"
Mr. Windsor, I respect you alot sir. But there's no way Russell would've beat Hamilton or anyother driver in that situation if his car was legal.
Utter tosh!
Yes he would, track position is everything.
@@r7coo To yourself no doubt!
@@SteveT-0 Assuming his car was legal then he would've been 0.05-0.15s/lap slower just based on weight alone. Factor in the additional tyre wear that comes with 1.5kg over a stint length of that magnitude at a high energy circuit like Spa... even more disadvantaged.
Fact!
At the end of the race, Toto didn't look happy. The reason was probably twofold. First, Russell staying out for a one stop strategy was probably a hail-mary for second place, not the win. Hamilton effectively lead the entire race after passing LeClerc and deserved the victory. Now, instead, Russell was bringing home the 1-2. Meanwhile, Toto was certainly aware that Russell had seriously held up Hamilton with a slow-on-the-curbs, blast-down-the-straights tactic to hold off Hamilton in the same car. (Russell stated this in interviews after the race). As a result Piastri wiped out an almost 5 second deficit in almost as many laps. Put another way, just one more lap and Piastri would likely have breezed past both Hamilton AND Russell, whereas if Russell had let Hamilton pass the outcome would've been no-contest.
Of course Toto didn't know the car was underweight, so that wasn't the reason he appeared so 'flat' after the win. Forever the analyst, Toto already knew how close they'd come to blowing the entire race, that Russell had essentially risked team victory for personal glory, and that Toto has allowed it. Still, no criticism of either Russell or Hamilton - this time the failures were purely on the track-side team. Both Russell and Hamilton executed a perfect race albeit on different strategies.
Fair and Balanced commentary. Can't fault anything you have said thus far.
Mercedes deserved that. Hamilton was King today
Well said and written.
Exactly this 👍🏻
Yes I agree. It was the thing that struck me most that Toto wasn’t all smiles and jubilant but a look of great concern.
My feelings at the time were that he wanted Lewis to win?
Lando has to work on his starts.
Sainz also wanted to stay out longer for a 1 stopper. Toto needs to make them teammates.
lando has to work on his mental game first of all.
NO, ONLY HIS STARTS HE MAKES MISTAKES AS WELL
I cannot figure out why Sainz after 20 laps on Hard with full fuel, they didn't do a 1 stop for another set of Hards. I mean we see this all the time on 1 stop races where teams come in for the change 1/3 of the laps through the race because of warmup lap, hard race start and lower weight due to fuel. But, Ferrari seems to be masters of strategy 😜
@@robertbarta4912did Sainz start in hards? He'd need to use the mediums if one stopping wouldn't he?
@@robertbarta4912 hmm. You call Ferrari pit wall clowns meanwhile you don’t even know the F1 rule that you have to use AT LEAST TWO DIFFERENT compounds (soft medium hard) per race. Sainz started on the hard so he would have had to fit mediums or softs at some point during the race.
I’d keep learning about the sport before laughing at professionals in it. Ferrari are a joke, just not for the reasons you think.
For your convenience: this rule doesn’t count if the FIA declares the race to be wet. So you can run wet weather tires and no pit stops when it’s raining.
There's no way George would've kept that position with an extra 1.5kgs
Facts
Facts
All the RUclips engineers came out of their caves
@@ThmsDouglas about 0.05 sec per lap for 1.5kg so 0.05*44= 2.2 secondes ... it means Lewis will have at lease 4 extra laps to overlap Russell
@@letournesol64862 or 3 laps. Lewis was catching George at a rate of between .8 and .9 seconds, so he would’ve been there about 3 laps earlier
Lewis said a few years back, if he was 1kg overweight, he'd lose around 4 to 5 seconds over a race distance. So, i give russell zero credit. A cheated car is a cheated car.
exactly
Wondering if his car was weighted on earlier races too?
it was 2 sec
The rules are there for a reason I guess and the weight difference is a factor when you consider F1 races are won and lost by fine margins. His decision to only pit once was clever thinking whatever the outcome. He’d have finished 5/6 otherwise.
Russel did not do this, Toto knew tho
Crowdstrike impacted George.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Love it
Lo! you are a goat
Lewis said twice that the tyres were good, implying that he could go on but the team called him in. Why did they allow George to stay out knowing that he may compromise Lewis's race. Lewis controlled the race perfectly so in my opinion Karma prevailed and the right person won.
Facts 💯
Totally agree 👍 👏
Because They know playing the 2 stop game Lewis could win but they could gamble a bit more with George as with a 2 stop he would get P5 probably. Remember if it was tyre wear that put him under the limit the same may have happened to Lewis. Just imagie a double DSQ?
Who thinks Toto knew the car would potentially be under weight? He was obviously not very enthusiastic about the results right at the finish. He surely knew Lewis got screwed and that Piastri could have ruined the whole thing., but...
If Toto knew, then why not swop the cars on track to maintain the 1-2. The winner gets checked, then a few random cars selected as well. That begs the question whether Lewis was underweight as well. But yeah Toto knew. As the car was weighed with the race and with new tyres, the excuse of it's the tyres stupid, dies not wash. The extra fuel drained doesn't matter as the weight limit is not of fuel.
I think that the team did not expect George to pull it off so they didn't intervene. Toto knew that Lewis would be pissed off, hence his reaction at the finish.
Does anyone remember the fallout of George "I want softs" a while back?
GET IN THERE LEWIS!
If George did a second stop he would ended up 20+ seconds behind Louis I don't understand what Peter is trying to tell us here with George. LOL
He let's himself down with such comments.
How did you get to "20+"? He'd have pitted at somewhere around lap 25-30, and his laps after woukd have been much faster. He'd maybe be about 10 sec behind Lewis.
He'd have had better tyres so it wouldn't have been 20+
He says LH is trash. And he is right
Lewis washed
Nelson Piquet and Alain Prost were also disqualified because of minimal weight problems and were stripped of wins. There are also other drivers who got disqualified for many other reasons, including Lewis Hamilton himself in the 2023 US GP because of the problem with the skid block under the car.
Rules are rules. They are there to make racing regulated. They aren't there so people can say, "...but that slight margin doesn't affect the outcome!", which is the most cliché response anyway. If there's a legit dispute, then the team must take it directly to the FIA. It's entirely possible to overturn a DSQ if your case's strong enough, like how James Hunt got his points reinstated for his Spanish GP win in 1967.
I think deciding to go one stop was George intended strategy from the start which is why they put the fuel on the Margin-to go for that. They just didn’t tell Lewis George will do a one stop. If they did Lewis would have ran that second stint different and catch George earlier.
Not a fan of George, but come on! That was an incredible drive regardless!! He withstood the pressure from LH and did not make mistakes to stay ahead. The talk about 1.5 kilo,, yes, the car was illegal and less weight translates to faster lap times; however, imo the (lack of) drivability of those 30+ laps old hards probably negates all the advantage of lighter car
clean air is king plus the drs was shortened this race, im sure it's not a miracle that he defended for 2-3 laps because all the time hamilton was gaining in the corners was vanishing away in sector 1 because of dirty air and short drs george basically got preferential strategy a strategy that they did not plan for and just orchestrated mid race it was never suppose to work and it didn't work because he pushed the tires beyond acceptable limit
The car wasn't underweight until the fuel was removed after the finish, but rules are rules.
Piastri could have won that race if he hadn't overshot the pit slightly which made his stop almost 2 seconds longer than it should have been.
And if Lewis had been given the go ahead for a one stop he would have still been 10 seconds up the road at least. Ifs, buts, and maybe's are great though, 2 of them and Lewis would be a 9 x Champion.
1.5 kg of weight is worth 2 to 3 seconds over a race distance at spa
I'm sure I've poo' ed more than that . 😊
Yep, now compound that with tyre wear
@@LordVader1887 yep lighter car also means less deg which means even more benefit
Lets take that 3 seconds out of Russells lead. You think LuLu wouldve have passed him with two extra laps? LuLu was literally in DRS for 5 laps and he couldnt even mount a single attack lol.
@@mrRTvids he would have had 4-5 extra laps to pass on fresher tyres, and without the weight advantage Russell's tyre wear would've been worse, so yes
Strange, how since all the cars converged around Monaco/Canada, it’s Lewis Hamilton who has taken the most points in the Drivers’ Championship.
Something strange is happening with sabotaging GR , first a water leak in Silverstone from lap 1 then this disqualification. LH has 12 + years friendships within the garage
@@internetuser1183THIS?😂😂
Really strange, may be Lewis is doing some voodou 😢
Vodou FYI means 'to bring peace' exactly what the DQ did@@Lucky-bo8ub
@@internetuser1183 LOL you think M is sAbOtAgiNg George? Get real, clown.
Can't disagree with Peter any more . Listening to drivers interviews they seem to think a kilo or 2 would definitely be worth a tenth or 2 a lap.
1 kg is around a tenth a lap thats more or less the norm.
what peter is saying is that it wouldnt have made a difference in the race result because lewis was already unable to overtake Russell with a 1s advantage per lap in the same machinery. but rules are rules, 1g under the weight limit and you are out. simple as that. same for everyone.
Exactly. Everything about F1 is about fine margins.
It’s worth 2 seconds from full race distance but that’s only with the weight advantage from the start but GR only had the advantage at the end when all the tyres were wearing from very long stint losing more rubber weight
I don't think he would of got the OT today was difficult getting the pass done once in DRS on those with hard tyres
If George was 1.5kg underweight, and other drivers for safety were say 1 or 2kg overweight...it's quite a big difference
Lewis drove an amazing race
Started p3 finished p2 only the weak Perez was skipped😂😂😂😂amazing!!!
Stop it. George Russell did.
You spelt George wrong.
@@martingonzalez2850The illegal car made him look good.
@@GanymedeAxisNonsense.
You are wrong. Hamilton asked what is the gap to Piastri not George.
Not much there about Oscar and his late challenge, which was a maclaren challenge.
To make it worse, HAM was told to lift and coast during the race, effectively slowing him down. No wonder he couldn"t pass George.
Nobody mentioning Merc almost blew it because of this “strategy” because Oscar almost got them at the end… weird how the masses attention can be easily shifted away from the important stuff
Catchng them up is very different than overtaking them.
@@walterblanc9708 not so much with the pace difference
You are so right.... see my other comment here.... kudos to these guys for giving us content, but sometimes they make presentations that defy the boundaries of sensible discussion. I'm sorry, if someone does crap, it's crap... crap can't be good because some group of people were conned into thinking it was cream cheese.... Mercedes this week behaved like Maclaren last week with regard to their strategy to close offa win.. that's the essence of this issue... this is what I was expecting these esteemed presenters to be discussing,
@@seanphillips5781 most of them just want to keep their narrative live
Almost love these videos more than the race! Keep it up, we all really appreciate you!
I'm disappointed in Peter's commentary. He failed to mention that Merc's strategy of not calling out team orders to Russell to let Hamilton (fresh tires) pass in the final stint almost allowed Piastri to overtake Hamilton. Hamilton was faster than Russell, and Russell's not allowing Hamilton to pass effectively slowed him down - allowing Piastri to make up a 3-second gap. Inexcusable !! Additionally, Peter failed to mentioned that Hamilton called in to the pit wall inquiring about the tire strategy BEFORE Russell did, and was instructed to pit for fresh tires.
That McLaren jack man was the jack man of the day for me. George made an amazing call for a one stopper, and he drove a great stint, so I feel bad for him.
Peter Windsor’s opinions are obviously influenced by something other than reality. To say that George Russell is a master at managing tires and getting everything out of them is ridiculous. I challenge him to name two other examples, other than yesterday’s Belgium GP. George Russell eats up his tires early, that’s always been the case. Then to minimize Lewis’ race by calling it a “copy book race” and reference the use of DRS for his overtake of Charles says he’s biased and trying to skew opinions. Shame, because I used to respect him.
100%. He's never liked Lewis. But with that said, he never liked Senna back in the day either and his bias was always obvious.
Peter, did you just say 1.5kg of car weight wouldn't have made a difference? In Formula 1?
George is really good, I don't know why people talk him down
Mercedes "accidentally " didnt take all the fuel out the first time?......hmmm. sounds a lot like Merc knew the weight issue. Fishy fishy.
Fantastic race, fantastic season
Nothing can be taken from GR today. It was a master class performance hands down. No cool down lap. I may be wrong, but had there been a cool down lap he would've picked up plenty of marbles and been at legal weight. Did they weigh any of the other 1 stoppers? He left his rubber on the track. A beautiful drive. LH was on it this weekend and an amazing qualifying lap and drove such a clean race. I'M TORN!!! :)
Lewis could've done the 1 stop but they were fixated on covering Charles undercut (and Lando according to Toto...Really Toto? Really?) and that their simulation said George was finishing P5 whether he 1 stopped or 2 stopped (Really Toto? Really?). There was also a lack of urgency to Lewis when he put on the second set of Hards and emphasis on staying ahead of the car behind rather than hunting George.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love how you framed this
Don't believe a word that comes out of Toto's mouth. Lewis said everything there was to say. He was not informed he was racing George. Then he was given the option of 1 v 2, he picked 2 in relation to what others would do, but the team never informed him how things changed essentially the team and by extension Toto fucked this one up, it's on them, not George and certainly not Lewis
Thats spot on brother! I was watching the race thinking when the fuck is Lewis going upp his pace.
No consideration to the fact that SLH is driving the same Mercedes as the man who got DQ'd because his car ran an illegal 1 stop strategy? Therefore he would've finished this race DQ'd as well? 1.5kg of tyre is not something even the skills of SLH can overcome... it's not even close to the limit.
The only commentary worth listening to. Proper old school journo. Chapeau mate
This is simply the universe finally getting around to paying Lewis back for the 2008 Belgian Grand Prix win that was wrongly stolen from him.
I thought the same thing
They had planned today to cheat him of the win by concealing Woody's strategy.
That's a hell of a long wait on the universe!
@@ThmsDouglas long for us short for the universe
Woody made his own strategy, credit where it's due.
And that boys n girls, was another great delivery by the great Peter Windsor, I enjoyed this one as, once again it did open up a lot of things I didn’t get about yesterday’s race. Great video.
Either way both Merc drivers drove a fantastic race. Let's hope the rest of the season stays as competitive.
Peter lay off whatever you're smoking mate 😂😂 "makes no difference " smh..
OH dear, the car was NOT underweight until the fuel was removed after the finish.
Wow what a turn around Lewis,😢 for George
George the tire whisper....
It was a great performance by Russell, but don’t forget he was actually 20 seconds down on actual track time.
@@MAS-ASSASSIN😂😂😂
Its called KARMA...the team had cheated Lewis of a well deserved win..
Lewis asked to do a one stop, and they said no. Then he asked to extend and they said no, and they didn't tell Lewis that George was staying out until lap 39. If Lewis knew he could have pushed more.
Weight is extremely improtant in race cars peter speed is power to weight
Peter windsor is part of the conspiracy against LH.
Hamilton caught George though? He had all the time in the world to pass him with fresh tyres. He didnt even attack George even once. You really think if Hamilton had two more laps, he couldve passed George? 😂
@@mrRTvids Had GR run a legal strategy he wouldn't of even been there? The only reason he was ahead of Lewis in those laps is because he ran an illegal run plan. That's not an opinion, it's an indisputable fact the FIA DQ'd GR's car for.
@@mrRTvidshe didn’t have exactly “fresh tyres” lmao
@@kijjawhat is an illegal run plan exactly? One where you win a race against your teammate by outsmarting him?
I’m not celebrating a win until the following day now.
There has been a lot of praise for George but honestly his race was mediocre. They didn’t know the tyres would last so long. Plus there’s an assumption that his car was only 1.5kgs lighter than Lewis’ but I’m sure Lewis’ car has a margin of safety so I think there was several kg difference between the cars
Lewis was asked to lift-and-coast by his engineer halfway through the race, indicating that he was right at the limit of the safety margin. I don’t know what the safety margin exactly is, but I don’t think it’s several Kg, that’s way too big of a margin. How is Mercedes not knowing whether the tires would last that long, a valid reason to discredit George?
You honestly have no wheel knowledge, that last stint was one of the best drives in f1 in years
You think a team like mercedes puts „several kilos“ into a car to be on the safe side? 😂😂
Wake up lmao, there wasn‘t several kilos between the cars, it was 1.5kg as stated in the FIA documents. Most likely from the mechanics failing to put the right ballast into the car matching the upgrades.
@@Real_ghostboithe cars are weighed after the fuel is drained, that‘s not why they asked lewis to lift and coast
@@lIlIlIllIlIlIlIIl But you need a minimum of 1KG of fuel in the fuel tank at the end of the race right? If not, then why was he asked to lift-and-coast? Genuine question.
I take my comment back that you dont see technical issues keeping a race win from a driver in the modern day F1 racing. At least it wasn't three.
Thank you Peter🙏
If you go back and look at the dour expression on Toto Wolf’s face as Russel won, I’m guessing he’d seen some data and he knew there was an issue.
Toto had sad face extremis. The telemetry was staring at him on the pit wall. The rules exist for a reason, but all these cryhards pointing fingers don't know why rules exist or how they are enforced. George missed that window by the slimmest of margins
How is 1.5 kg insignificant in a sport where margins can be in the thousandths of a second?
Didn't Lewis say a 1kg can be worth a tenth?
I am not buying it. Truth shouldn't come in second to kindness.
Absolutely spot on. Peter was too busy trying to run his narratives instead of looking at the facts objectively.
1 kg isn't worth a tenth. 10 kg is worth roughly 3 tenths.
@@noomadeyou're missing a zero there buddy. Add 100kg of fuel to your equation and by team LH math the cars should be hitting +30s delta by the end of the race
@@Azmania3000 @peterwindsor F1 TV’s strategy analyst reported GR’s deg was 0.05/lap. Everyone else was 0.1/lap. Also, when she crunched the math, the 1.5kg equated to a 0.045/lap advantage. 😮
(Unfair) Advantage George. 😮
I can not wait for the “investigation” 😂 results.
To put a finer point on this, GR's lap time would have been 1:49 to LH’s 1:47 on the last lap.
@@RickAnderson19 ok so what was George's gross weight at the start of the race? Let me guess; it's somewhere between 'trust me bro' and 'I made it the F up'.
You're throwing up absolute optimums when there is a range of other variables around damage minimisation. Really.
Oh but fizzicks....p.p.p.s. been drinking. Realise now you're prolly being a sarcasm 😂
1.5kg = up to 9kgs less force on tires in corners #roughscience
1.5kg is 2 seconds gained in full GP but GR didn’t have this weight advantage full race it was only at the end with the big tyre wear with 1 stopper.
@@internetuser1183 So, to be clear, you think these people don't know the difference in weights between a worn tire and a new one? LOL. What a buffoon.
I think a better example is Lando not being able to pass Max with DRS for most of the race, even though he was clearly quicker
The right guy won the race. Russell had nothing to lose switching to a one-stop, a freedom of choice not afforded to Hamilton while controlling the race from the front; Mercedes had to cover off the Ferrari when they went for the undercut. Russell, however, could roll the dice in - as we were later to discover - an illegally underweight car.
I believe Lewis would have pushed alot harder if he knew Russel was doing a one stop, enabling him to either be in front or have 6 or 7 laps to pass him. He just didn't realise he was in a race with him so didn't drive accordingly.
Poor George, he must be drowning his sorrows in buckets of his own tears tonight.
Max did not have a second set of hard tires left!
McLaren only look so good in the end because George held lewis up.
But part of his weight deficit was that he wore the tires down to much, so regardless it was not a great race for him. If he pitted on lap 20 instead of ten maybe the one stop was on the cards....but in truth the hard Tyre was amazing but the amount of rubber lost was noticeable.....but merc knew that, which is why they did not drain all the fuel out the car before weighing, I think they did not expect him to win, thinking he won't get tested...so in truth George was never in contention if he was to meet fia regulations..he was gna be 4th or 5th if he pitted twice and lost track position if pitted later...I don't blame George for this, it was merc playing dirty with his race...but truth is if his car was legal he could not have won
All cars get weighed after every race.
Do you not think they know the weight delta between worn and new tires? Get real.
@@jeffreytackett3922 clearly they tried to hide it cos they knew.....they left extra fuel in the car...so they knew...
@@jeffreytackett3922 I actually checked now merc admitted they think it was most likely the Tyre wear.. a normal stint takes off about a kg of weight on each Tyre...George ran 34 laps on them... but lewis Tyre was 16 laps newer...lewis made the weight...merc knew this but allowed George to stay out cos he met the Tyre delta when he was supposed to pit, however he burned through the tyres trying to maintain a lead and then defend lewis,...n spa is one of the hardest circuits on tyres
George would have still won, at NO POINT during the race was the car underweight, only after all the fuel was drained after the race finished. Rules are rules though.
Facts are as follows: the 1 stop in the Mercedes was not legally possible today and would GR have run a legal run plan he wouldn't have made the podium & GR had a weight advantage over SLH. All of that adds up to SLH driving a winning race and GR not. I cannot rationalise how anyone could possibly feel otherwise.
You cannot rationalise it because you are blinded by your favouritism. Now you know how the Max fans feel any time you mention 2021. If you blindly believe any one driver is the greatest ever and refuse to accept someone else might do a better job from time to time then you clearly can't rationalise anything.
@@JMRope favouritism for who? I’m a McLaren guy mind you😂
A theory about the hard tyres getting faster, even due to their age... Perhaps another factor is the track was increasing grip, due to rubber laid throughout the race. This may have had greater prominence since the rain would've made the track more "green" than usual following qualifying. Combine this with fuel loads depleting, it might explain the impression of the hards having increased performance (made possible due to their superior durability).
We shouldn’t take Peter’s take as based on any technical background, it’s opinion that stems from him being a fan and a race photographer. To say 1.5kg wouldn’t make a difference is being shambolic.
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@@gonzo1354 yep not a driver nor engineer
George had an advantage of 0.050 seconds per lap. Lewis tried do overtake George for the final 3 laps. Do you really think that Lewis would’ve overtaken George with 0.050 seconds of extra pace over a whole lap, even if Lewis would’ve caught George 2 to 3 laps earlier?
@@Real_ghostboi well George shouldn’t have even been in the race with Lewis had he pitted and not been exposed to having an illegal car
@@Dalisu87 even if he had a legal car, he still would’ve done the one stop, so he would’ve been in the same position. The only difference would’ve been that Lewis would’ve caught George three laps earlier…
Peter I noticed all your videos are George George George you sound like you are hired by him to promote him you are doing a great job.
The experts know wheel knowledge & know GR is the real deal up against the goat . Cry more you cult Lh
Stop being such a LH stan. such weird behaviour
F1 fan start to see the bullshit.
The dirty air has turned Spa into another non overtaking track. We are indeed back to 2021
man lewis has still got it
I wish these videos were longer/ more in depth. Russell didn’t fuel save unlike Lewis. This gave him a decided advantage and he paid the price. He’s strategy was unaccounted for in terms of fuel and was never going to work. The team shouldn’t have let him do the one stop!
I did watch the Spa 24 hour race earlier this year and the GT drivers were loving the new track surface at Spa. They were running Pirelli tyres and had lots of grip in the dry sessions that they were going much faster than in 2023 and setting record times. So yeah, grippy track surface, no warm up issues leading to efficient deg on the hard tyres. This is how Russel made the 1 stop work. Hats off to him for taking full advantage of that. DQ or not, that was a great drive. Congrats to Lewis as well. The Mercs took full advantage of the grip out there and bagged the rewards.
As soon as Adrian Newey announced his departure from RedBull there Car has mysteriously been found wanting ?
True. And merc has made inroads since Allison came back..
Perhaps it's Adrian Newey who has been really driving that Red Bull.
Copy paste comment I have seen a million times geez come on.
No it was Mercedes that cheated.
McLaren's Miami upgrade was just great, they out developed RBR and they have more wind tunnel time and budget to do so.
If Adrian is gonna leave then doesn't that mean he will working till that time?
You just wanna construct a narrative don't you? For how long are you gonna say same thing lol
Overtaking on track was horrible today. I hope they reconsider that DRS activation point on the Kemmel straight
Luv your commentary on F1 but have to disagree that 1.5kg is nothing. That is absolutely wrong.
Lando is the new Danny Ric. I look forward to him being at Haas in 4 years.
Oof
Oof indeed 😂
Oh my.......you might be right
😂😂 wow
💀💀💀💀
105.... win for LH... 201 podium.... but that's jut numbers aren't they? But the relentless strength behind those stats... it's just exellence!!
Yes, they are great, but just numbers, specially for a 39 year old driver, verstappen is 26 and had more than 1/2 of these numbers. He would have to drive all the way to 2037 for you to be able to make a fair comparison. Wait until then an check it out!
@@ND-ud1qe Why did you bring up Max? OP was just praising Lewis' talent.
@@ND-ud1qe Sure I will, and you will too..
George Russell this and George Russell that... he didn't do what any other driver couldn't do... He was given a strategy to win a race his teammate would have won doing the same thing... then kept fuel in the car to cheat his teammate from the eventual win... Peter, u are off... but that has been the case since 2021... absolute plant.
MERCEDES KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING ,,,,,,,, THEY WOULDN'T TAKE THE CHANCE WITH LEWIS BECAUSE THEY HAD TO MAKE SURE ONE OF THEIR CARS WOULD WIN THE RACE . COULD YOU IMAGINE HOW GORGE FEELS RIGHT NOW KNOWING HE'S BEEN PLAYED ????????
1.5 kg is not a small amount at all Peter. Thats 2 seconds of race time
Dirty air was insane. Once the cars were so close they just werent able to overtake. Almost like 2020.
It was an exciting race, and I am disappointed with Russel's disqualification. That's not taking anything away from Hamilton. Rules are rules, after all. It's just that the amazing close finish with Piasti right on the tail of the two Mercedes would have made this race truly epic. As it is, Hamilton deserved the win. I'm not an engineer, so I have no idea if the lightness of Russel's car made much of a difference, but certainly, making a second stop would have. Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton. He is one of the all-time greats.