If teams have the chance draft a qb, they have to. A good to great qb is the one player that can draw more good players to your team. Look Andy Reid, before mahomes, he appeared in the nfl top ten coaches without a SB ring. Now? Media is talking about he being one of the great coaches of all time. Look belichick with tom adn without tom. Look the Texans before a good deshawn or stroud. Look 49ers before montana and young. In short, you can trade your pick, have great oline, corners whatever, but with no good to great qb, no chance man. That is why you have to keep digging until you find the qb. If Maye doesnt work at least the pats used the pick to find out. Now with the commanders qb, now players might want to go to washington, but before, no way I am going
I agree. That’s why playing the kid even behind a makeshift o-line is important. The line isn’t going to be significantly better next season. Andrew loss does hurt though. But we need to see if the kid is a stud or a dud quickly so we can make the decisions needed for next season. If he wins games with makeshift lines and these receivers that changes the entire outlook of what we need to do next year and we would be much more open to paying a big name receiver knowing we have a guy who can get him the ball
@@Zp0423 We are in line to pick in the top 4. We will have a crack at the top or 2nd best tackle in the draft. Campbell is a beast, for example. If we play our cards right, we could trade up into the first round with the 2nd round pick and get two offensive linemen. Then we can try to attract a WR as Maye takes the field with an upgraded offensive line.
@@cag19549 What are you talking about? How many bargains did Tom draw? Moss? Revis? A great QB has HUGE PULL. Cheap free agency filled so many holes during Brady's time in NE
No, pulling a winning lottery ticket in the draft is no longer the only way to get a good quarterback. I just watched the week 4 power rankings from Tom Grossi. Out of the top 10 teams in the NFL right now (according to Tom), 5 didn't draft their current starting quarterback (Vikings #1, Lions #3, Seahawks #5, Bucs #6, Steelers #8), but are succeeding with another team's reject instead. A good rookie quarterback can seldom lift a bad team, the fanbase gets frustrated when their savior didn't, and the bad team moves on leaving their early picks up for grabs for the better teams out there for pennies on the dollar. Patriots are now the bad team drafting early, and just like so many bad teams before them, they used their high pick in the draft to get a quarterback.
Not taking Maye would have been a huge mistake. You don’t grab the pieces, and then hope to get lucky with a qb down the line. You take the possible game changing, generational talent at QB then you build the team around them. Not build a great team, and then plug and play a bunch of middle of the pack qb’s. Finding a great qb is the hardest thing to do, and it’s the most important position to get right. It’s easy to find good receivers, and linemen in any draft. Not a qb though. Look how many top prospects fail at QB in the league. We don’t want the pieces, and then struggle to find the head.
Pats are dealing with new players (good for them), new coaches and a new scheme. The scheme and coaches should be better as a staff with a year behind them. The players will get better with another draft. They are a young team. This year is mostly about getting the team going after a reboot. Gonna be a rough year in 24.
What you talking about. Nothing about this team is new. They are still running belichick's scheme because that's the only scheme they know how to run. They kept all the same coaches on defense, they're all belichick guys who have been on the pats for years. Mayo played under belichick for 10 years and coached under him for 5 years. They are desperately trying to be belichick without belichick. The only thing they changed was the offensive scheme, which turns out that it's actually the worst and most outdated offense in the nfl. Belichick's offense is much more modern than alex van pelt's. The pats didn't bring in any new players, they just signed all the guys that Belichick drafted. Brisset is not new, he already played for the pats with belichick, and he played better back then. This team was even younger when belichick was still the coach, they still needed more drafts last year too, but you didn't have any patience for literally the greatest coach of all time. After Belichick's 2023 draft, it was immediately clear by week 1 that they he already hit on Gonzalez, White, Mapu, Douglas, and even Baringer. The pats first draft without belichick and everyone can already tell maye and polk are busts, they didn't draft any good players at all.
@@JJ-ud9ld New head coach, new OC, DC is new in position, but prev BB, Special Teams is new, WRs are 50% new (3/6), RBs are 66% new, TEs are 66% new, QBs are 100% new. Lots about this team is new.
@@rebreaville9332 Every team turns over 30% of their roster every year. The pats have made almost no real changes anywhere. Mayo has already been coaching the pats for 5 years. Covington has already been coaching the pats for 5 years. Brisset was drafted by the pats, and looked better as a rookie. Rhamondre and Henry have already been on the team for 3 years, their backups are meaningless. I'll grant you Antonio Gibson is their 1 significant addition, but he's just a change of pace rb. Nobody else they've added has contributed anything. They changed the offense the most and they've just made it the worst offense in the nfl, it's even worse than last year when Zeke was the only healthy player. And all the players who used to be really good like Rhamondre and Onwenu suck now.
The offensive line hasn’t been good even before all the injuries, but the coaching staff’s inability to put players in good positions can’t be overstated. A 4th sting tackle one on one with nick bosa is just ridiculous. Let talk about that because that can be fixed!
They did the right thing taking Maye Tom. They are not on a one year plan Tom. He's going to be great. They will have a ton of leverage next year to fix the O line and get a #1 receiver. Time for Andrews to retire to.
I know this LB NUMBER 48 is horrible I keep forgetting his name but dude has to be the slowest player I ever seen in my life he DOES not need to be on the field like ever!!!
The solution to all their problems is so obvious, it's staring you right in the face. Just make bob kraft the head coach already. Kraft is a football genius who was singlehandedly responsible for winning 6 super bowls with the pats. Bob Kraft is the guy who personally invented almost every innovation in the modern nfl, like match coverage, base nickel defense, spread offense, 2 TE offense. If Kraft was calling plays, they would score probably at least 10 tds every snap.
Couldn't have said it better. Marvin Jr. First the lineman in the draft. Next year grab a QB. We need a Steve Grogan/ Josh Allen type and let him learn. Get used to bad.
They could be 2 and 2. Problem is massive injury (maybe due to hard practices?) within 4 weeks and jacoby really stinks and makes oline and wr look horrible.
They line hasnt been the issue nor the WR. I will keep hammering that Brissett is the issue. Risk adverse, not accurate, cant throw to sidelines, weak arm, cant see the field with open WR (yes they do uncover), no anticipation. The QB is the issue. Period. May \e solves several issues
How do the Patriots steer out of this downward spiral? Contact people outside of the organization....You know....like Mac Jones did. In this case, contact Bill, Josh, and Dante... 😉
Boring. Defence is bad because of injuries, too many. Seahawks couldn’t stop Lions on MNF with 4 starting D lineman out. Watching the game, the Hawks couldn’t stop a pass or a run, despite a lot of talent away from the line. So it goes. If you don’t have Dugger, Bentley, Barmore…..you’re not good enough.
This is the first year on a real rebuild a full new staff, about 80% all new players, Bill and Kraft wasted time, money and draft picks since the last year Brady was here why in 5 years didnt they draft Tackles on a declining line why didnt they sign or draft a real top true #1 wr we havent had one since Moss thats fact and they kept getting used washed up and problematic wrs, let good olinemen walk they drafted Strange should have gotten a tackle instead now we gotta wait until next draft which is loaded with really good tackles o use 1sr 2 picks on the best tackles available and pray a true#1 wr in Fa wants to sign here, and draft another shutdown corner to help Gonz the 2 jones's are too little. Getting a qb was a need he can learn the new scheme and sit.
Boston sports media rehashing tired, dead, completely meaningless talking points just to fill dead air is getting so tiresome. The pick happened. It's done. Maye's the guy, he's being red-shirted, it's either a good move or not and nobody knows, is gonna know, or can possibly know which one until he's in there, so can we please, for the love all that's good and championship worthy, stop with these inane, inept, pointless debates and talk about something new. I don't care if it's Mayo's vinyl-siding or Pop's best Pokémon card, just please spare us more of this meaningless, retreaded pablum and drivel. Ffs.
Don't ruin Drake Maye this season. Mayo chose not to invest in Drake Maye this season. Build a team around this kid like the Commanders did for Jayden Daniels. Obviously the OC is not the right guy or Drake Maye would be playing.
1 time Tom, 1 freaking time can you have a show without bringing up last aprils draft???? It’s absolutely exhausting at this point. Seriously becoming unwatchable. Move on!!!
Curran, your continuous criticism of the draft is just STUPID!! It's history, move the hell on. If you can't stay in the present and look to future, resign and grow your little garden!
Great show as usual. Great analysis! 👍👍
Evan Lazar was a really good interview.
Missed Phil on the pod, it is ok, glad Phil got to rest
Are we still talking about the Tommy C swap the 3?!! I'm out!
Tom C is gotta stop w the trade down old nonsense
@@richiesimmons Agreed. It's such a garbage take and he needs to stop.
If teams have the chance draft a qb, they have to. A good to great qb is the one player that can draw more good players to your team. Look Andy Reid, before mahomes, he appeared in the nfl top ten coaches without a SB ring. Now? Media is talking about he being one of the great coaches of all time. Look belichick with tom adn without tom. Look the Texans before a good deshawn or stroud. Look 49ers before montana and young. In short, you can trade your pick, have great oline, corners whatever, but with no good to great qb, no chance man. That is why you have to keep digging until you find the qb. If Maye doesnt work at least the pats used the pick to find out.
Now with the commanders qb, now players might want to go to washington, but before, no way I am going
I agree. That’s why playing the kid even behind a makeshift o-line is important. The line isn’t going to be significantly better next season. Andrew loss does hurt though. But we need to see if the kid is a stud or a dud quickly so we can make the decisions needed for next season. If he wins games with makeshift lines and these receivers that changes the entire outlook of what we need to do next year and we would be much more open to paying a big name receiver knowing we have a guy who can get him the ball
@@Zp0423 We are in line to pick in the top 4. We will have a crack at the top or 2nd best tackle in the draft. Campbell is a beast, for example. If we play our cards right, we could trade up into the first round with the 2nd round pick and get two offensive linemen. Then we can try to attract a WR as Maye takes the field with an upgraded offensive line.
@@cag19549 What are you talking about? How many bargains did Tom draw? Moss? Revis? A great QB has HUGE PULL. Cheap free agency filled so many holes during Brady's time in NE
@@cag19549really bad take…
No, pulling a winning lottery ticket in the draft is no longer the only way to get a good quarterback. I just watched the week 4 power rankings from Tom Grossi. Out of the top 10 teams in the NFL right now (according to Tom), 5 didn't draft their current starting quarterback (Vikings #1, Lions #3, Seahawks #5, Bucs #6, Steelers #8), but are succeeding with another team's reject instead. A good rookie quarterback can seldom lift a bad team, the fanbase gets frustrated when their savior didn't, and the bad team moves on leaving their early picks up for grabs for the better teams out there for pennies on the dollar.
Patriots are now the bad team drafting early, and just like so many bad teams before them, they used their high pick in the draft to get a quarterback.
Not taking Maye would have been a huge mistake. You don’t grab the pieces, and then hope to get lucky with a qb down the line. You take the possible game changing, generational talent at QB then you build the team around them. Not build a great team, and then plug and play a bunch of middle of the pack qb’s. Finding a great qb is the hardest thing to do, and it’s the most important position to get right. It’s easy to find good receivers, and linemen in any draft. Not a qb though. Look how many top prospects fail at QB in the league. We don’t want the pieces, and then struggle to find the head.
"They are backed into a corner so they should put Maye in"
No thanks.
Spend the money on a front line and big fast with good hands tight ends .
Pats are dealing with new players (good for them), new coaches and a new scheme. The scheme and coaches should be better as a staff with a year behind them. The players will get better with another draft. They are a young team. This year is mostly about getting the team going after a reboot. Gonna be a rough year in 24.
What you talking about. Nothing about this team is new. They are still running belichick's scheme because that's the only scheme they know how to run. They kept all the same coaches on defense, they're all belichick guys who have been on the pats for years. Mayo played under belichick for 10 years and coached under him for 5 years. They are desperately trying to be belichick without belichick. The only thing they changed was the offensive scheme, which turns out that it's actually the worst and most outdated offense in the nfl. Belichick's offense is much more modern than alex van pelt's. The pats didn't bring in any new players, they just signed all the guys that Belichick drafted. Brisset is not new, he already played for the pats with belichick, and he played better back then. This team was even younger when belichick was still the coach, they still needed more drafts last year too, but you didn't have any patience for literally the greatest coach of all time. After Belichick's 2023 draft, it was immediately clear by week 1 that they he already hit on Gonzalez, White, Mapu, Douglas, and even Baringer. The pats first draft without belichick and everyone can already tell maye and polk are busts, they didn't draft any good players at all.
@@JJ-ud9ld New head coach, new OC, DC is new in position, but prev BB, Special Teams is new, WRs are 50% new (3/6), RBs are 66% new, TEs are 66% new, QBs are 100% new. Lots about this team is new.
@@rebreaville9332 Every team turns over 30% of their roster every year. The pats have made almost no real changes anywhere. Mayo has already been coaching the pats for 5 years. Covington has already been coaching the pats for 5 years. Brisset was drafted by the pats, and looked better as a rookie. Rhamondre and Henry have already been on the team for 3 years, their backups are meaningless. I'll grant you Antonio Gibson is their 1 significant addition, but he's just a change of pace rb. Nobody else they've added has contributed anything. They changed the offense the most and they've just made it the worst offense in the nfl, it's even worse than last year when Zeke was the only healthy player. And all the players who used to be really good like Rhamondre and Onwenu suck now.
The offensive line hasn’t been good even before all the injuries, but the coaching staff’s inability to put players in good positions can’t be overstated. A 4th sting tackle one on one with nick bosa is just ridiculous. Let talk about that because that can be fixed!
They need to get out of the year as healthy as they can and with as much experience as they can. The name of the game is shooting for a top 5 pick!
2nd guess is Polk not Maye
Best possible outcome this year is 1-16. They do not have enough good players and their ills aren't related to coaching
Play Maye
They did the right thing taking Maye Tom. They are not on a one year plan Tom. He's going to be great. They will have a ton of leverage next year to fix the O line and get a #1 receiver. Time for Andrews to retire to.
I know this LB NUMBER 48 is horrible I keep forgetting his name but dude has to be the slowest player I ever seen in my life he DOES not need to be on the field like ever!!!
Finally, someone else understands football. They could’ve traded that pick, got a FA QB and more pics. I think this was a big mistake…….
Believe it or not I bet it gets worse before it gets better
that might have been useful information to know last year before you fired the greatest coach of all time
The solution to all their problems is so obvious, it's staring you right in the face. Just make bob kraft the head coach already. Kraft is a football genius who was singlehandedly responsible for winning 6 super bowls with the pats. Bob Kraft is the guy who personally invented almost every innovation in the modern nfl, like match coverage, base nickel defense, spread offense, 2 TE offense. If Kraft was calling plays, they would score probably at least 10 tds every snap.
Lazar saves the podcast.
Couldn't have said it better. Marvin Jr. First the lineman in the draft. Next year grab a QB. We need a Steve Grogan/ Josh Allen type and let him learn. Get used to bad.
Had to take a QB not sure who or where you would draft “take the bird in the hand” and build around him
send me to Alcatraz then, cause I will continue to believe they should have traded down and doubled down on the OL and drafted a QB this year.
They could be 2 and 2. Problem is massive injury (maybe due to hard practices?) within 4 weeks and jacoby really stinks and makes oline and wr look horrible.
Tom isn't going to be getting any Eliot Wolf interviews anytime soon.
He is THE man if given a legitimate chance.
Frigg belichick and his punishment to him.
Is this dude really wearing a sport coat over a hoodie? Brah wtf 😂
Boutte needs to play!!!!!!
Remember when all these people thought the patriots were going to win the Superbowl, because they got rid of "out of touch", belichick", karma for ya.
How do the Patriots steer out of this downward spiral? .... new coaching staff
They line hasnt been the issue nor the WR. I will keep hammering that Brissett is the issue. Risk adverse, not accurate, cant throw to sidelines, weak arm, cant see the field with open WR (yes they do uncover), no anticipation. The QB is the issue. Period. May \e solves several issues
How do the Patriots steer out of this downward spiral? Contact people outside of the organization....You know....like Mac Jones did. In this case, contact Bill, Josh, and Dante... 😉
Get Devante Adams.. we was gonna pay Aiyuk 33 million n get finessed… help maye
Tom Curran talking football is like nails on a chalkboard.
Boring. Defence is bad because of injuries, too many. Seahawks couldn’t stop Lions on MNF with 4 starting D lineman out. Watching the game, the Hawks couldn’t stop a pass or a run, despite a lot of talent away from the line. So it goes. If you don’t have Dugger, Bentley, Barmore…..you’re not good enough.
wow Curran bias much? That @15M forgive all crappy lack of D adjustment then convict AVP for similar. absolutely disgusting
This is the first year on a real rebuild a full new staff, about 80% all new players, Bill and Kraft wasted time, money and draft picks since the last year Brady was here why in 5 years didnt they draft Tackles on a declining line why didnt they sign or draft a real top true #1 wr we havent had one since Moss thats fact and they kept getting used washed up and problematic wrs, let good olinemen walk they drafted Strange should have gotten a tackle instead now we gotta wait until next draft which is loaded with really good tackles o use 1sr 2 picks on the best tackles available and pray a true#1 wr in Fa wants to sign here, and draft another shutdown corner to help Gonz the 2 jones's are too little. Getting a qb was a need he can learn the new scheme and sit.
Phil's great. And Tom interrupts too much
You need a quarterback. Look at Miami. Tons of talent. Decent line. No QB. So they now suck.
You need a QB
Versus Cincy, the Pats had a full roster. Against Deattle they went to the wire. Curran is not useful.
More Evan Lazar please!
Check judon..
2nd …..!! 😀
Boston sports media rehashing tired, dead, completely meaningless talking points just to fill dead air is getting so tiresome. The pick happened. It's done. Maye's the guy, he's being red-shirted, it's either a good move or not and nobody knows, is gonna know, or can possibly know which one until he's in there, so can we please, for the love all that's good and championship worthy, stop with these inane, inept, pointless debates and talk about something new. I don't care if it's Mayo's vinyl-siding or Pop's best Pokémon card, just please spare us more of this meaningless, retreaded pablum and drivel. Ffs.
13 more games of suckage
Don't ruin Drake Maye this season. Mayo chose not to invest in Drake Maye this season. Build a team around this kid like the Commanders did for Jayden Daniels. Obviously the OC is not the right guy or Drake Maye would be playing.
So have a 2nd year rookie, wtf he needs gameplay experience ASAP
FIRST...!! 😀
Jacoby is a bum period... stop making excuses and start Drake Maye.
Start Milton!!!
Why
1 time Tom, 1 freaking time can you have a show without bringing up last aprils draft???? It’s absolutely exhausting at this point. Seriously becoming unwatchable. Move on!!!
Curran, your continuous criticism of the draft is just STUPID!! It's history, move the hell on. If you can't stay in the present and look to future, resign and grow your little garden!
They don't...
He is THE man if given a legitimate chance.
Frigg belichick and his punishment to him.