One thing, In the original KSP, Dres has a lot of asteroids in a low orbit. These rings are probably a recreation of the “asteroid belt” originally around Dres
Here is a thought, maybe Dres's rings are icy, but the reason they are still around is maybe because they are extremely young and haven't had the time to sublimate yet, or are in the process of sublimating away/falling back to Dres (hinting the equatorial ridge). Just my thought :)
I think it's possible that the original body that now makes up the Dres rings could have been a large, low-density asteroid. Some asteroids are really more like clumps of rocks loosely held together by gravity than monolithic boulders. A large asteroid that's like this may be fairly easy to rip apart, despite being made of denser stuff than water.
It might as well be some light volcanic rock instead of water ice. And gravel moons fall apart really easily, but I guess that is included in the whole "fluid body" thing, I suppose it assumes it has been only kept together by gravity in the first place. My crazy theory would be that Dres used to be a close-orbiting volcanic moon of Jool early on until it got a nasty encounter with some other large moon and got flung out of the system alltogether. Being so volcanically active, it kept throwing matter out for quite some time, but now without Jool's tidal influence to clear it up it formed into a dense orbital cloud sphere. Then over time velocities did a lot of cancelling out and it ended in what we have now - a narrow flat ring of ancient Dres volcanic matter, and since Dres found itself in a very stable place with no large tidal influences around, the ring just wouldn't be disturbed anymore and became rather perfect.
I'm surprised your channel has as few subscribers as it does, considering how well made the videos are and how much effort obviously goes into making so many of them. Very interesting videos. Keep up the good work!
@@curious_ksp_ksa you honestly and i mean honestly deserve it!I love this format and i have rewatched your videos multiple times now which i very rarely do on any other persons channel.👌
It's worth considering that a lot of the rings seem to have fallen down and formed that central mountain range we see. Great video, keep up the good work!
Well, one big thing I can think of is the recent discovery of Quaoar's rings, which are well beyond the Roche limit even for icy materials - it's thought they're resonantly confined (the edges align with a mean motion resonance with Weywot and a spin-orbit resonance with Quaoar), and it's possible those resonances are also what's preventing re-amalgamation into a moon al la the asteroid belt. So if there's a strong spin-orbit resonance there, perhaps that could be part of an explanation that includes non-icy particles?
My theory is that Dres was once part of a binary system, much like Pluto and Charon. A very large impact (possibly another dwarf planet that caught an unfortunate gravity assist from Jool) obliterated Dres’s satellite, creating large amounts of debris, some of which fell to the surface, explaining the equatorial ridge and possibly the canyon gouges, and some of which remained in orbit, creating rings. This impact would have created an asteroid belt as well, which is supposed to exist between Duna and Jool. Also, the binary system would have produced high tidal forces, explaining Dres’s volcanic appearance.
I think dres' rings where formed by a massive colission wiping out the old surface of the planet, this also explains the lack of craters plus its the reason why there are so many dresteroids.
What do you mean by that exactly? i cant find too much about the composition of its rings. But ice in the case of Dres is still not an option i feel, based on what we know.
I don't think I can make a whole video about it. It is probably a case that is determined by the conditions in which Tylo was formed. When the Kerbolar System formed, the conditions caused it so that Tylo was forming in an orbit that had no gas was (left) for it to gather, because it was already scooped up by other bodies like Laythe, or something of that nature. This is just speculation on my part. But I like your curiosity!
@@curious_ksp_ksa As far as I know, Earth didn't actually get it's atmosphere from the proto-planetary materials either, with most of it either arriving on asteroids/comets or being created by chemical reactions from the rock itself. But the reason Tylo might not have an atmosphere might be similar to why mars has such a paltry one in real life - most of it has been blown off by radiation/solar wind from the sun or cosmic rays. This means it is highly likely that Tylo no longer has a molten core
Dres got rings from the surround asteroids in the zone of the kerbolar system. technically dres already had rings as a little easter egg where dres would have asteroids orbit it due to the fact that it is in the "asteroid belt" of the system. so basically it got rings from surrounding matter.
@@curious_ksp_ksa From the worldbuilding stackexchange "how to get a green gas giant". The universe magazine "Green Planet for the Green Holiday" and a Quora thread named "How do you get a green gas giant?" These are not the best sources but the answers seem trustworthy. I also came to the conclusion that green gas giants are not very likely to look exactly like jool. I am not sure my statement from yesterday is true.
I've played KSP (1) for so long and i've never even had this question in mind lmao, but glad I know it's an incoherence that i didn't know (and yes i could have known that Dres had rings bcuz in KSP1 many asteroids orbit Dres)
@@curious_ksp_ksa i meant that because they are made of ice, a part of them should have already melt (or in this case evaporated), & the asteroids oribitng Dres are rocky or metalic when we use the driller
pol was modeled after a speck of pollen,which means the spikes are just purely made for the design and i guess the joke behind it.If there is actual science behind it though it could be because of it's low gravity because i think it's the moon with the 2nd lowest gravity
The Ice could have a high concentration of metallic crystals that work as a heatsink, heating up in the sunny side and cooling off in Dres' shadow, helping slow down the sublimation. I got to this conclusion because Ice is less dense than liquid water so to have the same density as you calculated it would need to be infused with some other solids. Al, Cu and Au would be great candidates for my theory (Keep in mind I'm just a chemist so I don't really know how stuff works in space lol).
Maybe Dres has rings because its in the asteroid belt of kerbin,so asteroids started orbiting dres and eventually collided with the moon,hence why the rings are there.Just a theory,not entirely scientific just what i think they could be,that is if there actually is an asteroid belt between duna and jool in ksp 2
First gotta grow to see if this channel is worth that kind of investment :D Edit: in the meantime, I will be improving the videos with what I am using now.
One thing,
In the original KSP, Dres has a lot of asteroids in a low orbit. These rings are probably a recreation of the “asteroid belt” originally around Dres
Here is a thought, maybe Dres's rings are icy, but the reason they are still around is maybe because they are extremely young and haven't had the time to sublimate yet, or are in the process of sublimating away/falling back to Dres (hinting the equatorial ridge). Just my thought :)
Ost likly
I think it's possible that the original body that now makes up the Dres rings could have been a large, low-density asteroid. Some asteroids are really more like clumps of rocks loosely held together by gravity than monolithic boulders. A large asteroid that's like this may be fairly easy to rip apart, despite being made of denser stuff than water.
I believe these are called 'rubble pile' asteroids
It might as well be some light volcanic rock instead of water ice. And gravel moons fall apart really easily, but I guess that is included in the whole "fluid body" thing, I suppose it assumes it has been only kept together by gravity in the first place.
My crazy theory would be that Dres used to be a close-orbiting volcanic moon of Jool early on until it got a nasty encounter with some other large moon and got flung out of the system alltogether. Being so volcanically active, it kept throwing matter out for quite some time, but now without Jool's tidal influence to clear it up it formed into a dense orbital cloud sphere. Then over time velocities did a lot of cancelling out and it ended in what we have now - a narrow flat ring of ancient Dres volcanic matter, and since Dres found itself in a very stable place with no large tidal influences around, the ring just wouldn't be disturbed anymore and became rather perfect.
I'm surprised your channel has as few subscribers as it does, considering how well made the videos are and how much effort obviously goes into making so many of them. Very interesting videos. Keep up the good work!
I really appreciate your encouraging words! I just started, so hopefully, we will get farther than we are right now. Onwards to 1000 subs!
@@curious_ksp_ksa Well deserved though - and it's still preetty fast of a progress, if I do say so myself.
@@curious_ksp_ksa you honestly and i mean honestly deserve it!I love this format and i have rewatched your videos multiple times now which i very rarely do on any other persons channel.👌
@@curious_ksp_ksa And hopefully many more than just 1000!
It's worth considering that a lot of the rings seem to have fallen down and formed that central mountain range we see. Great video, keep up the good work!
Well, one big thing I can think of is the recent discovery of Quaoar's rings, which are well beyond the Roche limit even for icy materials - it's thought they're resonantly confined (the edges align with a mean motion resonance with Weywot and a spin-orbit resonance with Quaoar), and it's possible those resonances are also what's preventing re-amalgamation into a moon al la the asteroid belt. So if there's a strong spin-orbit resonance there, perhaps that could be part of an explanation that includes non-icy particles?
A KSP LORE CHANNEL! You sir, are now my favorite youtuber.
In real life, there are some dwarf planets with rings a little too far away from the roche limit, try to use that to solve the problem!
1. They Aren’t Ice, They Are Rock
2. Kerbol Is Closer To A Red Dwarf Then Sunlike
3. ITS A GAME, DAMBIT
“Kerbals don’t follow the rules.”
My theory is that Dres was once part of a binary system, much like Pluto and Charon. A very large impact (possibly another dwarf planet that caught an unfortunate gravity assist from Jool) obliterated Dres’s satellite, creating large amounts of debris, some of which fell to the surface, explaining the equatorial ridge and possibly the canyon gouges, and some of which remained in orbit, creating rings. This impact would have created an asteroid belt as well, which is supposed to exist between Duna and Jool. Also, the binary system would have produced high tidal forces, explaining Dres’s volcanic appearance.
short answer: dres just got its rings because it wanted ppl to visit it
my theory is the rings are caused by an asteroid impact that shot a bunch of dres debris into orbit, rather than a roche limit encounter
I think dres' rings where formed by a massive colission wiping out the old surface of the planet, this also explains the lack of craters plus its the reason why there are so many dresteroids.
I think It got rings in a similar way to the Dwarf Planet Haumea.
What do you mean by that exactly? i cant find too much about the composition of its rings.
But ice in the case of Dres is still not an option i feel, based on what we know.
Woopsie at 1:56 it says "MolyNdenum" but it should be "MolyBdenum"
What if the moon wasn't uniformly dense? Basically, what if it had a really dense core and a really sparse outer layer? This might solve the problem
That is an interesting idea, maybe something for in the future
I wonder if Vall's ravine leading to open water is possible irl.
Can you make a video explaining why Tylo doesn't have an atmosphere?
I don't think I can make a whole video about it.
It is probably a case that is determined by the conditions in which Tylo was formed. When the Kerbolar System formed, the conditions caused it so that Tylo was forming in an orbit that had no gas was (left) for it to gather, because it was already scooped up by other bodies like Laythe, or something of that nature. This is just speculation on my part.
But I like your curiosity!
@@curious_ksp_ksa As far as I know, Earth didn't actually get it's atmosphere from the proto-planetary materials either, with most of it either arriving on asteroids/comets or being created by chemical reactions from the rock itself. But the reason Tylo might not have an atmosphere might be similar to why mars has such a paltry one in real life - most of it has been blown off by radiation/solar wind from the sun or cosmic rays. This means it is highly likely that Tylo no longer has a molten core
Dres got rings from the surround asteroids in the zone of the kerbolar system. technically dres already had rings as a little easter egg where dres would have asteroids orbit it due to the fact that it is in the "asteroid belt" of the system. so basically it got rings from surrounding matter.
You should do a video about if jool could be green in real life.
Gas Giants with a green upper cloud layer exist in real life.
@@NoSTs123 Really? Do you have any article or something that links to that? I would love to investigate further!
@@curious_ksp_ksa I posted some links a few minutes ago, but It seems that youtube has deleted them.
@@NoSTs123 oh yeah sorry about that, i put that in to prevent scam links. If you have the name that is also fine. Again sorry for the inconvenience
@@curious_ksp_ksa
From the worldbuilding stackexchange "how to get a green gas giant".
The universe magazine
"Green Planet for the Green Holiday"
and a Quora thread named "How do you get a green gas giant?"
These are not the best sources but the answers seem trustworthy.
I also came to the conclusion that green gas giants are not very likely to look exactly like jool. I am not sure my statement from yesterday is true.
I've played KSP (1) for so long and i've never even had this question in mind lmao, but glad I know it's an incoherence that i didn't know
(and yes i could have known that Dres had rings bcuz in KSP1 many asteroids orbit Dres)
Sorry, i am a bit confused what you mean by "incoherence"
Just curious what you mean exactly, just can't help it to ask lol
@@curious_ksp_ksa i meant that because they are made of ice, a part of them should have already melt (or in this case evaporated), & the asteroids oribitng Dres are rocky or metalic when we use the driller
May be its some kind of light metal like aluminium, carbon, calcium or
magnisium.
Those are still way too heavy, aluminium has a density of 2700 kg/m^3, but i might investigate further in the futurr
Why does pol have spikes???
I am very sorry but I am not a geologist, that kind of question is kinda out of my area of expertise :)
But I love to see people being curious!
pol was modeled after a speck of pollen,which means the spikes are just purely made for the design and i guess the joke behind it.If there is actual science behind it though it could be because of it's low gravity because i think it's the moon with the 2nd lowest gravity
You should do a video about why eve is purple and what it’s oceans are made out of!
Well, you are in luck, because that happens to be the video that I had planned next! How did you do that...😄
@@curious_ksp_ksa I don’t know man! But it’s my favorite kerbolar system planet! Glad I subscribed to you…
The Ice could have a high concentration of metallic crystals that work as a heatsink, heating up in the sunny side and cooling off in Dres' shadow, helping slow down the sublimation. I got to this conclusion because Ice is less dense than liquid water so to have the same density as you calculated it would need to be infused with some other solids. Al, Cu and Au would be great candidates for my theory (Keep in mind I'm just a chemist so I don't really know how stuff works in space lol).
If Dres’ rings did melt, one can assume KSP 2 takes place after KSP 1
finally
dres is now relevant
Counter question: why does Quooar still have rings?
It is really far away from the Sun, so they shouldn't sublimate away, if that is what you mean.
Thank you science side of ksp
We asked about it and then He talked about it
It's the drestroids!
a moon with partial hallow insides woud have a denisty small enough so there woud be no water problem
Maybe Dres has rings because its in the asteroid belt of kerbin,so asteroids started orbiting dres and eventually collided with the moon,hence why the rings are there.Just a theory,not entirely scientific just what i think they could be,that is if there actually is an asteroid belt between duna and jool in ksp 2
Curious absolutely DEYSTROYS ksp2 developers with MATH and SCIENCE
WHAT DRES HAS RINGS
Pebbles 'n' ice
Because no one go to Dres
nice video!
Probably is made of ring.
Please buy a camera and a whiteboard.
In my opinion, it would improve your videos significantly:)
First gotta grow to see if this channel is worth that kind of investment :D
Edit: in the meantime, I will be improving the videos with what I am using now.
@@curious_ksp_ksa Thats great news.
I quiet enjoy your content
Honestly, I prefer the current style. The backdrop of space is the best blackboard.