The "this life is worthless and will fade away" is also a great tactic to keep people poor and oppressed, as they're literally incentivised to keep suffering and wait until they die for any alleviation.
At 26:14 or "Friar WTF" claims that many atheists are overwhelmed by despair (paraphrasing) but doesn't provide any data/statistics/reasoning behind this claim.
@@discontinuedmodel232 Many people are overwhelmed by despair (suicide stats will do for this.) Many people are atheists. (That's probably a good thing.) It's therefore likely that there exists a cross product in which many people have both of these attributes. But correlation does not imply causation. Any assumption that it does is the basis of the Post Hoc fallacy, or what I sometimes call the Blond Genius fallacy. Here is the canonical example. Many celebrated works of art and literature and science were created by blond people. Therefore we should be grateful to all the people whose blondness was responsible for these important contributions. No, we would have to demonstrate that blondness IS THE CAUSE of these contributions, rather than surreptitiously asserting it. Similarly we would have to somehow demonstrate that atheism IS THE CAUSE of despair. We don't get to just assert it. That would be dishonest.
Hitler unfortunately happened to have the type of genetics and the types of life experiences that caused him to choose to do horrible things. And hypothetically if he would have been born with another type of genetics, like for example if he would have been born with the type of genetics that caused him to have williams syndrome and if he would have had other types of life experiences then those things would have forced him to think and do other types of things throughout his life and that wouldn't have been his fault that he existed and happened to be that way either. Who and how someone happens to be is an extremely unfair unjust lottery that is dependent on what type of genetics that they happen to have and depending on what types of life experiences that they happen to have throughout their life.
To paraphrase Christopher Hitchens, "Father Casey gives the awful impression of someone who hasn’t read any of the arguments against his position, ever “ And if he didn't have logical fallacies, he'd have nothing at all.
Y'know, my old highschool science teacher used to say "if you can't show it, you don't know it." Father Casey doesn't seem to know very much at all...😂
In all fairness, I have a strong suspicion that he's working from a script prepared for him and vetted by the church rather than his own pen. Even if I am correct, it changes nothing about the arguments and fallacies presented, at best it lessens the blame he should receive.
I bet he knows them all, but circumvents the honest bits to lure in his followers. Remember: Apologists are not for Atheists they never were, they are only money making schemes against Christians.
He can't afford to be honest. His career is built on fiction and appeal to emotion. It is fascinating, though, how thoroughly he has constructed the fiction. He's like a bad but prolific novelist.
Okay, so my thinking isn't original at all. Good to know. I am thinking those two stood by a lake and watched a big thunderstorm. The fool mentioning his fear of the god responsible and the other seeing that he could use that fear.
What a wonderful video! So glad I've been introduced to this creator and glad you're taking a well deserved break! Also, was wondering why there were so few comments, didn't realize I got here so early! Have a good holiday!
"People living their lives in ways completely foreign in understanding to my own are totally proof of my god's existence! Even though I'm celebrate because I believe that makes me closer to god!"
Nihilist here: I don't want to live in a world where everything is controlled and some things have preset meanings, I want to find my own meaning, in my pets, in my art, in the music I listen, in the movies I watch and I want everyone to do the same. I was always an optimist, and that won't changw
The more of these videos I see the more I"m convinced that religious believers are making these videos for no other reason than not to lose ground. They are making these to fortify believers, which bodes well I think, for those asking questions. The true believers will use this to hold their faith and believe we are wrong, however, those asking questions will possibly view these videos and only fortify their own efforts to ask questions which leads to more truth. Just my two cents.
I never said this before but I'm gonna say it now: your videos bring me so much joy and always make me smile. Your hilarious attitude, intonation, sarcasm, everything... Such a signature. The very least I can do is comment and engage with the algorithm.
I feel like this might be a sarcastic comment in and of itself, as it is on a video in which Skep Tick himself isn't speaking. But then the comment itself is completely describing Skep Tick, so I can't be sure.
@@DarthTingleBinks Lol, indeed, as with anything online these days people can't be too sure. But no, I wasn't sarcastic -- I've been lurking and enjoying his videos for a long time so I finally felt the need to say it. I don't comment often on the channels I like and if something happens and they're gone... it feels like I never actually expressed how much I appreciate them.
"Who's going to argue against science? Who's going to argue against rationality?" asked the man cosplaying as a living representation of medieval Catholicism. 19:38
I always held that anyone that thinks they want to live for eternity hasn't spent much time contemplating what eternity means. What people actually want is to live longer. Not forever.
Yes! No matter the luxurious appointments or endless entertainments, truly eternal existence would become unbearable sooner or later. Human minds are incapable of understanding infinity.
My mom passed suddenly this week, so this has been on my mind. She was very catholic, but enjoyed it and didn’t press it on anyone ever. But what part of eternity is even appealing? Even looking past the audacity to think you’re so special god wants you around forever, it’s a terrible fate. Let’s say heaven is great and all, but your children are atheists. So, through no fault of your own, you have to witness them go to hell and be eternally separated from them. And you’re in the house of the one guy who could do literally anything to make the circumstance different. It’s such a weak thing to believe, and yet somehow we’ve let it influence our society and laws to an astounding degree, and are now stuck.
Imagine thousands of years ago the first time an adult told a small child at a funeral…don’t cry…. you will see your mom again one day. The room became silent as all the adults stared and waited for the kids response…🤣🤣
Thanks for your take down of Casey's misguided ideas. A couple of things struck me - individuality is not encouraged in the church Conformity is necessary for control. And a celibate priest talking about falling in love, getting married and having children as examples of (whatever) is beyond ironic. Love your work, subbed to both channels.
That reminds me of what my father used to say: “They (meaning the pope and the priests) should get married and have children before lecturing us how to raise a family.”
When a monk who has taken a vow of celibacy tells me to remember the experience of seeing my first child, it reminds me of the pickpocket who offered to help me up the stairs in Grand Central Station.
Brother Disingenuous here is really working on making Arrogant Prat of the Year this year. Yikes. His insistence on painting every worldview that isn't his by flinging sealed buckets at a wall is definitely evidence of the real reason religion is dying. I find it interesting that all his points for non-rationality are things the church has a stranglehold on and only allows its members to enjoy after passing a couple dozen rules.
Atypical = Not Typical Asymptomatic = Not Symptomatic Achromatic = Not Chromatic Atheism*****An entire belief system with no moral compass or purpose or reason to ever do anything good....huh?
@@kingbidenmypres Asmart and Ahonest. I'd also say an Ahole, but I think that would make it not a hole... and if Casey is a place where crap comes out, it'd be one big hole :D
17:02 "even though we can't prove it, we know there is something spiritual about our existence" That would deserve a thorough definition of the term 'spiritual'. And 'soul' while we're at it.
A lack of evidence is evidence of absence when such evidence is expected to exist. For example, if you say it's raining out I would expect to get wet if I go outside. If I go outside and fail to get wet -- the lack of "getting wet" is evidence that it's not raining.
It seems you failed to take into account perspective or statistics. If someone says, “It’s raining outside” then you go to check and you remain dry says nothing of the house behind yours, or a street or two over. I’ve had it raining in my front yard and my back yard was dry and sunny. You should look into forecasting and why you can have a 100% rain chance day and see absolutely no rain.
@@fred_derf, Of course not. They just want to play the pedantic game. Maybe your example could have been better, but it serves its purpose. If you said "someone says its raining outside and I don't see any clouds and I'm not wet and neither is the ground. The absence of rain and clouds is evidence of its not raining" what could they complain about then? Lol. I dislike the phrase "Absence of evidence is not Evidence of Absence" myself since it doesn't apply to all cases. Researchers spent a lot of time looking for the Luminous Aether... and they kept on getting nothing. They continued to look for it after all experiments failed to detect it. Yet, according to their understanding _it_ or something like it _must_ exist, so it _must_ exist. After decades of searching some researchers concluded it didn't exist... and they were vindicated when it was shown the Luminous Aether wasn't required for light to travel through space. *Shakes Head* So, all the times they didn't find any evidence for it, was evidence for its absence. So, yeah. When you don't find evidence for what you're looking for where you expect to reasonably find it, it means you need to change you methodology or your hypothesis.
They are down to two forms of apologetics Emotional appeals & Arguments from fallacy. Friar Tuck uses a combination of both, if he only had a smidgen of self awareness he’d see what a skeptic sees which is ultimately nothing.
35:25 I believe that what Casey means by "Relativism" is anyone doing anything he doesn't like. We should all be doing only the things that he finds acceptable.
Father Casey correctly recognizes that only one objective reality can exist, then barges right past his own revelation in order to lay "his truth" on us once again. I ultimately renounced my faith because I discovered that it was merely "my truth" and not congruent with objective reality. The only "oustide force" I had to contend with was the world simply being there in a state inconsistent with the belief system I happened to internalize given where and when I came to be. Faith is the ultimate form of both relativism and nihilism. It gives people the luxury of knowing truth without working to discover truth, and the privilege of disparaging any and all sources of value outside of what they already hold dear.
Sounds like Casey’s best argument for god’s existence is that everyone apparently wants for there to be a god and an afterlife. And while that isn’t true, even if it was, since when did our personal desires determine reality? I’d personally love to be living on my own with a nicer car and a dog, but me personally desiring those things doesn’t change the fact that none of them are currently true. This makes about as much sense as telling a kid that they have an ice cream cone in their hands, and when the kid says they don’t, responding with “Yes you do, because don’t you want for there to be an ice cream cone in your hand?”
Nihilism isn't necessarily apathetic or being depressed. To me it's acceptance of the universe not giving a single f about us existing or not existing..to me, that is zero depressing.
@@ThePsyko420 50/50. From the universes "pov", our lives are meaningless. We create our own meaning here on Earth. So, in a sense, everyone of us is "god".
The best and most powerful part of this debunking is the observation that the "outside forces" are simply the ability of virtually everyone in the modern age to access information. This point needs to be driven home every time a defender of organized religion tries to make the case that modern society is "organized" in some way against their ideology. There's no organization, just access to information. I'll be using that, thanks!
@@YouDontKnowMeSoYouDontKnowJack What ad hominem? We're just making an observation about his anachronistic attire. We aren't commenting about what he said or whether this attire effects it - it does not, what he said is dumb for it's own reasons.
Every single religion ever made and every single religion yet to be made at some point will all end up in the exact same place and that is the mythology section of the public library
@@YouDontKnowMeSoYouDontKnowJack that's ok most people don't actually read them most people become atheists by reading the bible anyway and put the bible in mythology is not cheeky at all it where it belongs
36:50 FC: "Why is there something rather than nothing?" JL: "Because nothing, as a state, cannot exist." Here's my only quibble in the entire video. We can't rely on a limitation of our decriptive model to assert limitations on what is possible in reality. The reality in which we exist is thoroughly composed of somethingness. Even under hard solipsism there is existence. The only way we can conceive of nothingness is to progressively remove items from existence until there are no more items to remove. Ultimately we would have to remove the potential for existence, and all other potentials, as well. It would then be descriptively correct to say that "nothing, as a state, cannot exist." But that's because existence is not possible, not that the empty set of things that exist, what we might call true nothingness, is not possible. The problem lies only with our descriptive repertoire, and this is reminiscent of the limitation of self-referentiality which gives rise to many paradoxes: the Liar Paradox and the Barber Paradox are apt examples here. Properly, we can't SAY that nothingness "exists." But there's nothing wrong with the concept of an empty set. So I'll using the term "nothingness" to refer to this empty set of existence, indeed any potential to exist. Because a potential is not nothing, right? We'd still be left wondering where that potential comes from, what are its properties and constraints. Nope. I'm talking about true nothingness. And there's nothing incoherent about it. When we ask, why is there something rather than nothing, it's this nothingness that's being referred to. I'm not sure that any answer is determinable here, but not because nothingness is impossible in principle. It's only that, if that really were the state of affairs, it would be thoroughly, inalterably so. So, what is any of this good for? Well, first, it addresses the claim that "something doesn't come from nothing." Indeed not. True nothingness lacks any potential of any kind, certainly the potential to give rise to somethingness. Second, no creator god, no tiniest bootstrapping mechanism, is compatible with nothingness. It would not be nothingness in that case. And though it might be interesting to speculate on what the MINIMUM bootstrapping might be for some precursor state to give rise to a more elaborate reality, all of that lies in the domain of somethingness.
people thinking there are more lgbtq people than there used to be, instead of realising it appears that way because its more accepted are likely addicted to this discussion or something like that. because i barely know anyone that came out that i didnt think was a part of this community. only people that have clearly been afraid of coming out as long as they are dependent on their parents
I hope JL makes a video about relativism, fallibilism, epistemological and nihilism - maybe make a series of them. Apologists love to present relativism as a short cut to nihilism and I don't think this slippery slope fallacy has been debunked enough.
It's his "I'm a nice, relatable guy who wants to help, who just happens to be a bit smarter than you -- he thinks -- but don't hold that against me cuz I'm trying to help you anyway voice" There's a lot going on there with his whole presentation, with his brain not so much
Casey: "..we will eventually die and that this world will fade away with no memory of us." Cyndi: "Girls just wanna have fun!" I know which I'm siding with.
Your responses are concise, to the point, and above all, accurate. However (and I knew you felt a however coming), your speech is rocket fast, to the point where it's hard to keep up with what you're saying. It's the verbal equivalent of writing without punctuation. Slow down, take a breath every now and again. It's not a verbal race. You have good things to say. I would just appreciate a second or two to comprehend it. - peace to all
Nice! Subscribed to JL's channel now too! Rad to discover him through your channel. Great video! Top notch! I'll definitely be sharing it with a lot of people!
19:30 Reasoning is obviously important in getting at the "truth" of physical reality. But it most certainly isn't the be all and end all. _Evidence_ is that. We can rationally hypothesize all kinds of explanations for various mysterious natural phenomena. But we don't know which hypotheses are correct until we test them against the reality of Nature, until we obtain _physical evidence_ that confirms or negates those hypotheses. So, yes, rationality, reason, is an essential tool in uncovering the reality of Nature. But it's the evidence from Nature itself that is the substance of our correct understanding.
Seems to be quite a bit of explanation about what other people think and feel, without a shred of knowledge. I've never believed in a god and came to terms with my mortality, and other existential issues long ago. I would think the main reason for a theist to become an atheist, is because they no longer believe in whatever god concept they believed in. Not sure what else would be necessary. I'd say the more interesting question would be, what caused them to question it in the first place? I doubt the friar wants to truly tackle that one.
I like the show and Isaac but I also can't help but feel it setup a greater premise than it executed. And it seems like nearly everyone is an alcoholic and super horny.
@@DeetotheDubs To be fair, the Union is a post-scarcity society and exploring space is more of an extended hobby or club since there's no wealth to be had. So maybe it's hard to have a well disciplined force when everyone is living the high life even when on the ships. The Orville probably is like a cruise ship. With guns.
9:06 Whenever I hear that bit about humans being made in the image of God I'm always left with the question, "Does God have a belly button?" 10:30 Absence of evidence _can_ be evidence of absence. When the existence of something can be strongly expected to leave evidence of its presence, and that evidence is absent, it is reasonable to conclude that the thing in question is most probably absent. Example: You're sick and you get a blood test. Your blood sample is subjected to the conditions that would encourage the growth of a pathogen suspected to be the cause of your illness. After the suitable conditions have been met, the sample is examined and there is no evidence of the pathogen in the sample. The result is "negative". You are declared NOT to have the disease in question. The _absence_ of evidence of the pathogen is _evidence_ of the absence of the disease in your body. If we can expect the Old Testament God to leave evidence of his presence in Nature, and we do not observe such evidence, it is reasonably to conclude that the probability is against the existence of such a God. Given how Yahweh is described in both the Old and New Testaments, given the many, many ways in which he supposedly revealed his presence, and given that this has never happened under circumstances which allow for independent scientific investigation, it is reasonable to be highly skeptical of the existence of at the very least this particular god.
What the shit is Mr. Friar even playing around with secularism for? That ideological framework is almost entirely built around the idea that the State and other major institutions should not be dictating religious opinions to the citizenry. I have no idea what he is talking about when he remarks about despair or social issues.
It has a name. But it's a common position of people that have an agenda. If You don't subscribe to it then You MUST be against it and everything it represents. So because chrisitanism (i'm particular catholisism) has a ser of strict social rules. Any oposition, or not embrasing it, MUST be against those social rules.
The riches part of Casey's video is his claim that "relativism" is causing people to leave religion after making "relativistic" arguments in favor of his religion.
Hitler unfortunately happened to have the type of genetics and the types of life experiences that caused him to choose to do horrible things. And hypothetically if he would have been born with another type of genetics, like for example if he would have been born with the type of genetics that caused him to have williams syndrome and if he would have had other types of life experiences then those things would have forced him to think and do other types of things throughout his life and that wouldn't have been his fault that he existed and happened to be that way either. Who and how someone happens to be is an extremely unfair unjust lottery that is dependent on what type of genetics that they happen to have and depending on what types of life experiences that they happen to have throughout their life.
His idea that determinism and no free will existing would mean there's no morality is absurd. Morality, in general, is about doing as little harm, and as much wellbeing as possible. Whether you could've made a different choice changes nothing about whether the choice caused harm.... On top of that, morality is one of the inputs to deterministic brain chemistry....
Thing is, our expressed morality is part of that determination of other people (so laws against burglary are determining if someone wants to refrain from being a burglar to avoid the punishments), but they keep wanting to pretend that we are only determined by non-human forces. The desire for "objective morality" is a desire for revenge, not justice, they want to claim their moral outrage should be carried out against "criminals", even though despite centuries of murdiddlyurdering, not once has someone jumped up alive because their killer was punished.
If I had been a Christian in the day's of RUclips amd listening to these apologists, it would have been their "reasonings" that would have deconverted me, not the atheists'. When I deconverted, I did not even know what am atheist was. It was many years later when I accidentally stumbled upon Seth Andrews on RUclips and I learned there were others like me, unbelievers, atheists - then I learned of these apologists. Atheists did not deconvert me. Learning about the world and my own morality, and reading atrocities in the Bible and how it did not match actual history, are what did it. Atheists just gave the the tools to understand WHY all these things made no sense to me.
Strangely, when it comes to natural phenomena, "having the trick explained" actually increases my subjective emotional investment in it. A sunny day is pretty, but knowing that the warming rays come from a phenomenally powerful balance of forces, millions of miles away which is itself held puny by other bodies that are mere twinkles in the night's sky. With that visceral joy of a sunny day comes wonder, and awe, humbleness, a little existential dread and a whole bunch of curiosity. To know that Van Gough's art was - in part - informed by sight defects and brain chemistry imbalances just brings them so much more depth and understanding the "how" gives me a more tangible connection to the "why". You can keep your God, I've got all the magic I need, and more.
"your bosons are giving me a hadron" - oh, so you're a heterosexualist! Never mind, I forgive you. We can't all be perfect. Anyone who can disagree so objectively with "Father" Casey is ok with me! ;)
Also there is nothing wrong with being Hetrosexual, just imagine if i said this sentence inserting the word Homosexual, would you like it ? not even cool as a joke.
"Our choices are made by our brain chemistry" So... The choices are made by me? I fail to see the problem here. And just because emotions are literally chemical reactions in our brains, that doesn't mean we don't still feel those emotions or that said emotions no longer hold any meaning or importance to us.
This preist has the facade of the friendly, caring, intelligent cleric. But scratch the surface to find the intolerant dogmatist that's chasing people away from religion.
I seem to recall reading some verses that show that god is not a fan of lying. For Casey's sake, he should be aware of his lies and pray to his god for forgiveness.
You couldn't have chosen a better guest host then JL Warren!! I love that man!!! Glorious beard and smile + smart and articulate 😍.... I think I'm fan-girling over here!! Bridge the Divide is a fantastic channel and their weekly debates are open to anyone to join in the conversation.
26:20 Being politically active and involved is the civic duty of citizens in a democracy, in societies where the rule of law is made by the people who are being governed by it. Casey is advocating a theocratic, anti-democratic notion by discouraging civic involvement. He's advocating for drastic reductions in personal freedom. The irony, of course, is that in the USA the "religious" are very politically active. Casey's education has given him a manner that sounds polished and intelligent. But when you really examine the substance of what he says, there is very little intellect at work.
I find idea that life is finite and there is no afterlife comforting. No matter what mistakes i make they will eventually mean nothing. I dont have to worry about which specific set of rules i have to follow. I dont have to worry about dying and becoming completely different person or continuing to suffer.
Casey knows what he is saying when he misrepresents things, such as what an atheist is. His will say anything, misrepresent anything to get people to accept that god is the only explanation for everything, but that is true for any apologist. The thing that I dislike the most is that Casey is sweetly condescending, talks to his audience as if they are small children, as opposed to other apologist who tend to be more aggressive in their presentation.
Is Father Casey actually kept his mouth shout, I could probably like the guy. But irrational belief kills any chance. Thanks for the holiday cover and an excellent, detailed debunk! I think I even learned things. Thanks!
The poor friar is not married, but he's well prepared for divorce. Friar Casey piles up the superlatives and infinites and negatives like there is no tomorrow (contrary to his theology). A sample of Friar Casey's words and phrases which also make up that tsunami which is divorce: "always," "never," "might as well just," "nothing to life but," "all there is," "you're not responsible for anything you do," "even though I can't prove it, I know," "I'm not going to debate this," "it's not a thing that reason can resolve," "I'm not going to play your game with your rules," "nothing more to hope for," "no matter how hard we work it is never what we desire," "there appears to be nothing we can agree on and no way to come to consensus."
The "this life is worthless and will fade away" is also a great tactic to keep people poor and oppressed, as they're literally incentivised to keep suffering and wait until they die for any alleviation.
At 26:14 or "Friar WTF" claims that many atheists are overwhelmed by despair (paraphrasing) but doesn't provide any data/statistics/reasoning behind this claim.
Yeah. That's historically accurate when it comes to religion.
@@discontinuedmodel232
Many people are overwhelmed by despair (suicide stats will do for this.)
Many people are atheists. (That's probably a good thing.)
It's therefore likely that there exists a cross product in which many people have both of these attributes.
But correlation does not imply causation. Any assumption that it does is the basis of the Post Hoc fallacy, or what I sometimes call the Blond Genius fallacy. Here is the canonical example.
Many celebrated works of art and literature and science were created by blond people. Therefore we should be grateful to all the people whose blondness was responsible for these important contributions.
No, we would have to demonstrate that blondness IS THE CAUSE of these contributions, rather than surreptitiously asserting it. Similarly we would have to somehow demonstrate that atheism IS THE CAUSE of despair. We don't get to just assert it. That would be dishonest.
Thank you so much for letting me help out SkepTick!
Really enjoyed your analysis!
Subbed to your channel. Looking forward to perusing it!
@@UranusKiller thanks so much! Hope you dig it.
Are you stalking me?
Hitler unfortunately happened to have the type of genetics and the types of life experiences that caused him to choose to do horrible things. And hypothetically if he would have been born with another type of genetics, like for example if he would have been born with the type of genetics that caused him to have williams syndrome and if he would have had other types of life experiences then those things would have forced him to think and do other types of things throughout his life and that wouldn't have been his fault that he existed and happened to be that way either.
Who and how someone happens to be is an extremely unfair unjust lottery that is dependent on what type of genetics that they happen to have and depending on what types of life experiences that they happen to have throughout their life.
@@PhDTony_original I was invited, I promise!
All Friar Tuck had to do is provide proof of his god. That should take a few minutes. He wasted his time and came out with the usual stuff...
This friar needs to worry less about what people believe and more about the behavior of his church. Good video!
To paraphrase Christopher Hitchens, "Father Casey gives the awful impression of someone who hasn’t read any of the arguments against his position, ever “ And if he didn't have logical fallacies, he'd have nothing at all.
_Damn_
This sums it up.
He's a real beauty ! 😁😂
Y'know, my old highschool science teacher used to say "if you can't show it, you don't know it." Father Casey doesn't seem to know very much at all...😂
In all fairness, I have a strong suspicion that he's working from a script prepared for him and vetted by the church rather than his own pen. Even if I am correct, it changes nothing about the arguments and fallacies presented, at best it lessens the blame he should receive.
I bet he knows them all, but circumvents the honest bits to lure in his followers. Remember: Apologists are not for Atheists they never were, they are only money making schemes against Christians.
As a Franciscan friar, Catholic priest, writer, and blogger with 345,000 subscribers, Casey has no idea what a contradiction is or what an atheist is.
That's actually really sad. If he really believes that, I feel sad for him
He can't afford to be honest. His career is built on fiction and appeal to emotion.
It is fascinating, though, how thoroughly he has constructed the fiction. He's like a bad but prolific novelist.
" Casey has no idea what a contradiction is or what an atheist is."
Neither do the people he is pretending to talk to.
Yeah, the 'outside forces' called Reality
Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool -- Mark Twain
Okay, so my thinking isn't original at all. Good to know.
I am thinking those two stood by a lake and watched a big thunderstorm. The fool mentioning his fear of the god responsible and the other seeing that he could use that fear.
So 85% of the worlds population are fools?
If everyone seems to be a fool to you, maybe the actual fool is ...
@@YouDontKnowMeSoYouDontKnowJack Still true though. And from your comments elsewhere, I'm not inclined to take anything you say at face value.
@@SeriousMoh I don't imagine the conman as human.
What a wonderful video! So glad I've been introduced to this creator and glad you're taking a well deserved break!
Also, was wondering why there were so few comments, didn't realize I got here so early!
Have a good holiday!
And this, friends, is why religion is dangerous.
WTF Casey?
A Catholic priest who keeps using people getting married and having babies as proof of God is just weird.
"People living their lives in ways completely foreign in understanding to my own are totally proof of my god's existence! Even though I'm celebrate because I believe that makes me closer to god!"
Jesus wants him for a sunbeam. 😂.
Nihilist here: I don't want to live in a world where everything is controlled and some things have preset meanings, I want to find my own meaning, in my pets, in my art, in the music I listen, in the movies I watch and I want everyone to do the same. I was always an optimist, and that won't changw
Nice. I'm a nihilist too. We're cool
The more of these videos I see the more I"m convinced that religious believers are making these videos for no other reason than not to lose ground. They are making these to fortify believers, which bodes well I think, for those asking questions. The true believers will use this to hold their faith and believe we are wrong, however, those asking questions will possibly view these videos and only fortify their own efforts to ask questions which leads to more truth. Just my two cents.
Good assessment that gets usually summarized as “retention tool not conversion tool”.
I never said this before but I'm gonna say it now: your videos bring me so much joy and always make me smile. Your hilarious attitude, intonation, sarcasm, everything... Such a signature. The very least I can do is comment and engage with the algorithm.
Thanks Disco!
I feel like this might be a sarcastic comment in and of itself, as it is on a video in which Skep Tick himself isn't speaking. But then the comment itself is completely describing Skep Tick, so I can't be sure.
@@DarthTingleBinks Lol, indeed, as with anything online these days people can't be too sure. But no, I wasn't sarcastic -- I've been lurking and enjoying his videos for a long time so I finally felt the need to say it. I don't comment often on the channels I like and if something happens and they're gone... it feels like I never actually expressed how much I appreciate them.
Thanks for this episode. Take care :)
Thank you! This is going in the video on the 29th June
“We must stress the individuality of the person” by making sure they think and feel exactly the same …
"Who's going to argue against science? Who's going to argue against rationality?" asked the man cosplaying as a living representation of medieval Catholicism. 19:38
I seriously don't want eternity! Eternal existence would be HELL!
SAAAAAAME!
Singing praises to a narcissistic genocidal psychopath for all eternity doesn’t sound appealing to you? Come on bro it will be fun! 🙄
Thirding this because THIS existence has been tough enough; the idea of eternity is a nightmare.
I always held that anyone that thinks they want to live for eternity hasn't spent much time contemplating what eternity means.
What people actually want is to live longer. Not forever.
Yes! No matter the luxurious appointments or endless entertainments, truly eternal existence would become unbearable sooner or later. Human minds are incapable of understanding infinity.
My mom passed suddenly this week, so this has been on my mind. She was very catholic, but enjoyed it and didn’t press it on anyone ever. But what part of eternity is even appealing? Even looking past the audacity to think you’re so special god wants you around forever, it’s a terrible fate. Let’s say heaven is great and all, but your children are atheists. So, through no fault of your own, you have to witness them go to hell and be eternally separated from them. And you’re in the house of the one guy who could do literally anything to make the circumstance different. It’s such a weak thing to believe, and yet somehow we’ve let it influence our society and laws to an astounding degree, and are now stuck.
Imagine thousands of years ago the first time an adult told a small child at a funeral…don’t cry…. you will see your mom again one day.
The room became silent as all the adults stared and waited for the kids response…🤣🤣
Thanks for your take down of Casey's misguided ideas. A couple of things struck me - individuality is not encouraged in the church Conformity is necessary for control. And a celibate priest talking about falling in love, getting married and having children as examples of (whatever) is beyond ironic.
Love your work, subbed to both channels.
That reminds me of what my father used to say: “They (meaning the pope and the priests) should get married and have children before lecturing us how to raise a family.”
@@pansepot1490 lmfao
skeptic: shit I have to go on vacation
JL; don't worry I got you
This is an accurate reenactment.
And then they dare to claim that Atheists have no moral sense.
When a monk who has taken a vow of celibacy tells me to remember the experience of seeing my first child, it reminds me of the pickpocket who offered to help me up the stairs in Grand Central Station.
Brother Disingenuous here is really working on making Arrogant Prat of the Year this year. Yikes. His insistence on painting every worldview that isn't his by flinging sealed buckets at a wall is definitely evidence of the real reason religion is dying.
I find it interesting that all his points for non-rationality are things the church has a stranglehold on and only allows its members to enjoy after passing a couple dozen rules.
Atypical = Not Typical
Asymptomatic = Not Symptomatic
Achromatic = Not Chromatic
Atheism*****An entire belief system with no moral compass or purpose or reason to ever do anything good....huh?
Friar Casey is Asmart
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Asmart and Ahonest.
I'd also say an Ahole, but I think that would make it not a hole... and if Casey is a place where crap comes out, it'd be one big hole :D
Handsomer? Maybe. Smarter? Debatable. Britisher? Never.
More circular? Clearly not.
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17:02 "even though we can't prove it, we know there is something spiritual about our existence"
That would deserve a thorough definition of the term 'spiritual'. And 'soul' while we're at it.
One can only be happy that more people have abandoned a belief in god/gods.
The more they explain the less there remains, isn't it?
Christianity is an insult to human intelligence.
A lack of evidence is evidence of absence when such evidence is expected to exist.
For example, if you say it's raining out I would expect to get wet if I go outside. If I go outside and fail to get wet -- the lack of "getting wet" is evidence that it's not raining.
No, that ignores things like sampling errors - did you notice you were standing under an awning the entire time?
@@drewcoowoohoo This is sarcastic pedantry, right? If so, bravo.
It seems you failed to take into account perspective or statistics. If someone says, “It’s raining outside” then you go to check and you remain dry says nothing of the house behind yours, or a street or two over.
I’ve had it raining in my front yard and my back yard was dry and sunny.
You should look into forecasting and why you can have a 100% rain chance day and see absolutely no rain.
@@Capt.Pikles You don't know what the term _evidence_ means, do you.
@@fred_derf,
Of course not. They just want to play the pedantic game. Maybe your example could have been better, but it serves its purpose. If you said "someone says its raining outside and I don't see any clouds and I'm not wet and neither is the ground. The absence of rain and clouds is evidence of its not raining" what could they complain about then? Lol.
I dislike the phrase "Absence of evidence is not Evidence of Absence" myself since it doesn't apply to all cases. Researchers spent a lot of time looking for the Luminous Aether... and they kept on getting nothing. They continued to look for it after all experiments failed to detect it. Yet, according to their understanding _it_ or something like it _must_ exist, so it _must_ exist. After decades of searching some researchers concluded it didn't exist... and they were vindicated when it was shown the Luminous Aether wasn't required for light to travel through space. *Shakes Head* So, all the times they didn't find any evidence for it, was evidence for its absence.
So, yeah. When you don't find evidence for what you're looking for where you expect to reasonably find it, it means you need to change you methodology or your hypothesis.
Oh, it's Friar Schmuck again.
Brilliant
Excellent video. JL is destroying crappy arguments with his trademark superhuman precision is my happy place.
You guys are great.
That was an excelent outro. Deeply appreciated.
First time seeing this guy, what a pleasant surprise! This was very succint, polite, but firm. I'm excited to check out your channel now!
I think it's pretty telling that in order to keep your faith you have to deny reality.
They are down to two forms of apologetics Emotional appeals & Arguments from fallacy. Friar Tuck uses a combination of both, if he only had a smidgen of self awareness he’d see what a skeptic sees which is ultimately nothing.
35:25 I believe that what Casey means by "Relativism" is anyone doing anything he doesn't like. We should all be doing only the things that he finds acceptable.
Secularism doesn't deny religion. It denies the authority of any one religion over the others.
Father Casey correctly recognizes that only one objective reality can exist, then barges right past his own revelation in order to lay "his truth" on us once again. I ultimately renounced my faith because I discovered that it was merely "my truth" and not congruent with objective reality. The only "oustide force" I had to contend with was the world simply being there in a state inconsistent with the belief system I happened to internalize given where and when I came to be.
Faith is the ultimate form of both relativism and nihilism. It gives people the luxury of knowing truth without working to discover truth, and the privilege of disparaging any and all sources of value outside of what they already hold dear.
Comment for the RUclips algorithm, because I don't think that thing ever goes on vacation 😊
Thank you bridge the divide for an excellent critique of Casey.
Thank you Fred!
JL has one of the sharpest minds I have seen. His philosophical knowledge and quick response abilities are awesome.
Good ole Friar Schmuck
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Damn, you beat me to the Friar Schmuck name!!
@@YouDontKnowMeSoYouDontKnowJack Nope, is merely a jab.
Sounds like Casey’s best argument for god’s existence is that everyone apparently wants for there to be a god and an afterlife. And while that isn’t true, even if it was, since when did our personal desires determine reality? I’d personally love to be living on my own with a nicer car and a dog, but me personally desiring those things doesn’t change the fact that none of them are currently true. This makes about as much sense as telling a kid that they have an ice cream cone in their hands, and when the kid says they don’t, responding with “Yes you do, because don’t you want for there to be an ice cream cone in your hand?”
Nihilism isn't necessarily apathetic or being depressed. To me it's acceptance of the universe not giving a single f about us existing or not existing..to me, that is zero depressing.
It is quite humbling, though, ain't it?
@@ThePsyko420 50/50. From the universes "pov", our lives are meaningless. We create our own meaning here on Earth. So, in a sense, everyone of us is "god".
Sounds more like absurdism, which is the position I hold. "There is no [grand] purpose or meaning, who cares?"
@@AssassinoJake Positive nihilism
The best and most powerful part of this debunking is the observation that the "outside forces" are simply the ability of virtually everyone in the modern age to access information. This point needs to be driven home every time a defender of organized religion tries to make the case that modern society is "organized" in some way against their ideology. There's no organization, just access to information. I'll be using that, thanks!
KC was cosplaying Robin Hood and his merry men and never took the monk costume off..
Friar Tuck - I was thinking he was doing a cosplay too.
Glad I checked the comments before posting.
@@YouDontKnowMeSoYouDontKnowJack What ad hominem? We're just making an observation about his anachronistic attire. We aren't commenting about what he said or whether this attire effects it - it does not, what he said is dumb for it's own reasons.
@@pigpuke Yup.. stupid and downright awful abusive stuff..
@@pigpuke And he said some horrible stuff, like wtf?
Great. Now I have to review the different fallacies. I didn't know the video was going to come with homework!
It's well worth doing, it helps you avoid the same pitfalls.
Good to see you JL, thanks for helping the old boy get a much deserved break.
Every single religion ever made and every single religion yet to be made at some point will all end up in the exact same place and that is the mythology section of the public library
I went in my Local Library and they had put the Bible under mythology, cheeky.
@@nealgrimes4382 it's not cheeky it's where it belongs
@@YouDontKnowMeSoYouDontKnowJack that's ok most people don't actually read them most people become atheists by reading the bible anyway and put the bible in mythology is not cheeky at all it where it belongs
36:50 FC: "Why is there something rather than nothing?"
JL: "Because nothing, as a state, cannot exist."
Here's my only quibble in the entire video. We can't rely on a limitation of our decriptive model to assert limitations on what is possible in reality.
The reality in which we exist is thoroughly composed of somethingness. Even under hard solipsism there is existence.
The only way we can conceive of nothingness is to progressively remove items from existence until there are no more items to remove. Ultimately we would have to remove the potential for existence, and all other potentials, as well.
It would then be descriptively correct to say that "nothing, as a state, cannot exist." But that's because existence is not possible, not that the empty set of things that exist, what we might call true nothingness, is not possible.
The problem lies only with our descriptive repertoire, and this is reminiscent of the limitation of self-referentiality which gives rise to many paradoxes: the Liar Paradox and the Barber Paradox are apt examples here. Properly, we can't SAY that nothingness "exists." But there's nothing wrong with the concept of an empty set.
So I'll using the term "nothingness" to refer to this empty set of existence, indeed any potential to exist. Because a potential is not nothing, right? We'd still be left wondering where that potential comes from, what are its properties and constraints.
Nope. I'm talking about true nothingness. And there's nothing incoherent about it. When we ask, why is there something rather than nothing, it's this nothingness that's being referred to. I'm not sure that any answer is determinable here, but not because nothingness is impossible in principle. It's only that, if that really were the state of affairs, it would be thoroughly, inalterably so.
So, what is any of this good for? Well, first, it addresses the claim that "something doesn't come from nothing." Indeed not. True nothingness lacks any potential of any kind, certainly the potential to give rise to somethingness.
Second, no creator god, no tiniest bootstrapping mechanism, is compatible with nothingness. It would not be nothingness in that case. And though it might be interesting to speculate on what the MINIMUM bootstrapping might be for some precursor state to give rise to a more elaborate reality, all of that lies in the domain of somethingness.
people thinking there are more lgbtq people than there used to be, instead of realising it appears that way because its more accepted are likely addicted to this discussion or something like that. because i barely know anyone that came out that i didnt think was a part of this community. only people that have clearly been afraid of coming out as long as they are dependent on their parents
I hope JL makes a video about relativism, fallibilism, epistemological and nihilism - maybe make a series of them. Apologists love to present relativism as a short cut to nihilism and I don't think this slippery slope fallacy has been debunked enough.
I didn't become an atheist as I never believed in the first place.
KC has this patronizing / condescending tone that hits my nerves!
It's his "I'm a nice, relatable guy who wants to help, who just happens to be a bit smarter than you -- he thinks -- but don't hold that against me cuz I'm trying to help you anyway voice"
There's a lot going on there with his whole presentation, with his brain not so much
Casey: "..we will eventually die and that this world will fade away with no memory of us."
Cyndi: "Girls just wanna have fun!"
I know which I'm siding with.
Father Casey has apparently never ventured outside the Catholic academic environment.
Yea you get that impression from his videos HonestHonestly, I don't.
Except for regular visits to the local gay bar. 😂.
Your responses are concise, to the point, and above all, accurate.
However (and I knew you felt a however coming), your speech is rocket fast, to the point where it's hard to keep up with what you're saying. It's the verbal equivalent of writing without punctuation.
Slow down, take a breath every now and again. It's not a verbal race.
You have good things to say. I would just appreciate a second or two to comprehend it.
- peace to all
Well done! Nice to see you on this channel ❤
Nice! Subscribed to JL's channel now too! Rad to discover him through your channel. Great video! Top notch! I'll definitely be sharing it with a lot of people!
@14:52 Lmao, "Porkie pies" = lies✅ I caught that, you clever clogs! 😆
I have explored all my depths both physically and mentally and found no desire for eternal life.
19:30 Reasoning is obviously important in getting at the "truth" of physical reality. But it most certainly isn't the be all and end all. _Evidence_ is that. We can rationally hypothesize all kinds of explanations for various mysterious natural phenomena. But we don't know which hypotheses are correct until we test them against the reality of Nature, until we obtain _physical evidence_ that confirms or negates those hypotheses. So, yes, rationality, reason, is an essential tool in uncovering the reality of Nature. But it's the evidence from Nature itself that is the substance of our correct understanding.
Seems to be quite a bit of explanation about what other people think and feel, without a shred of knowledge. I've never believed in a god and came to terms with my mortality, and other existential issues long ago. I would think the main reason for a theist to become an atheist, is because they no longer believe in whatever god concept they believed in. Not sure what else would be necessary. I'd say the more interesting question would be, what caused them to question it in the first place? I doubt the friar wants to truly tackle that one.
Thank you JL for filling in you definitely earned a new sub
Thank you Nitara! You rock!
Sweet, Orville clip. And a clip showing why Isaac was one of my favorite characters.
Isaac is so deep!
I like the show and Isaac but I also can't help but feel it setup a greater premise than it executed.
And it seems like nearly everyone is an alcoholic and super horny.
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To be fair, the Union is a post-scarcity society and exploring space is more of an extended hobby or club since there's no wealth to be had. So maybe it's hard to have a well disciplined force when everyone is living the high life even when on the ships.
The Orville probably is like a cruise ship. With guns.
"children have never been safer from disease" but sadly not safer from Roman Catholic priests.
9:06 Whenever I hear that bit about humans being made in the image of God I'm always left with the question, "Does God have a belly button?"
10:30 Absence of evidence _can_ be evidence of absence. When the existence of something can be strongly expected to leave evidence of its presence, and that evidence is absent, it is reasonable to conclude that the thing in question is most probably absent. Example: You're sick and you get a blood test. Your blood sample is subjected to the conditions that would encourage the growth of a pathogen suspected to be the cause of your illness. After the suitable conditions have been met, the sample is examined and there is no evidence of the pathogen in the sample. The result is "negative". You are declared NOT to have the disease in question. The _absence_ of evidence of the pathogen is _evidence_ of the absence of the disease in your body.
If we can expect the Old Testament God to leave evidence of his presence in Nature, and we do not observe such evidence, it is reasonably to conclude that the probability is against the existence of such a God. Given how Yahweh is described in both the Old and New Testaments, given the many, many ways in which he supposedly revealed his presence, and given that this has never happened under circumstances which allow for independent scientific investigation, it is reasonable to be highly skeptical of the existence of at the very least this particular god.
What the shit is Mr. Friar even playing around with secularism for?
That ideological framework is almost entirely built around the idea that the State and other major institutions should not be dictating religious opinions to the citizenry. I have no idea what he is talking about when he remarks about despair or social issues.
It has a name. But it's a common position of people that have an agenda. If You don't subscribe to it then You MUST be against it and everything it represents.
So because chrisitanism (i'm particular catholisism) has a ser of strict social rules. Any oposition, or not embrasing it, MUST be against those social rules.
The riches part of Casey's video is his claim that "relativism" is causing people to leave religion after making "relativistic" arguments in favor of his religion.
Thank you for introducing me to another content creator. Just subscribed.
My goodness that is a mighty and fantastic beard. Good job sir!
Skeptick video after my surgery. Hell yeah 🤘
Speedy recovery 💛
Get well soon!
@@TheSkepTick thank you good floating circle! Much love from Texas 💚🤘
Be well!
I'd like friars and monks to go back to the tonsored bowl cut look.
Yeah, it's real half-assed to only wear the clothes and not rock the hair.
I'm only being partially sarcastic.
And what about the vow of silence?
@@jon-paulmattack1152 Shoooosh. 😂 .
I've not heard of JL before. Love his pace and phrasing!
Does god like F. Casey better because he dresses like a Jawa??
Hitler unfortunately happened to have the type of genetics and the types of life experiences that caused him to choose to do horrible things. And hypothetically if he would have been born with another type of genetics, like for example if he would have been born with the type of genetics that caused him to have williams syndrome and if he would have had other types of life experiences then those things would have forced him to think and do other types of things throughout his life and that wouldn't have been his fault that he existed and happened to be that way either.
Who and how someone happens to be is an extremely unfair unjust lottery that is dependent on what type of genetics that they happen to have and depending on what types of life experiences that they happen to have throughout their life.
His idea that determinism and no free will existing would mean there's no morality is absurd. Morality, in general, is about doing as little harm, and as much wellbeing as possible. Whether you could've made a different choice changes nothing about whether the choice caused harm.... On top of that, morality is one of the inputs to deterministic brain chemistry....
Thing is, our expressed morality is part of that determination of other people (so laws against burglary are determining if someone wants to refrain from being a burglar to avoid the punishments), but they keep wanting to pretend that we are only determined by non-human forces.
The desire for "objective morality" is a desire for revenge, not justice, they want to claim their moral outrage should be carried out against "criminals", even though despite centuries of murdiddlyurdering, not once has someone jumped up alive because their killer was punished.
If I had been a Christian in the day's of RUclips amd listening to these apologists, it would have been their "reasonings" that would have deconverted me, not the atheists'.
When I deconverted, I did not even know what am atheist was. It was many years later when I accidentally stumbled upon Seth Andrews on RUclips and I learned there were others like me, unbelievers, atheists - then I learned of these apologists.
Atheists did not deconvert me. Learning about the world and my own morality, and reading atrocities in the Bible and how it did not match actual history, are what did it. Atheists just gave the the tools to understand WHY all these things made no sense to me.
Strangely, when it comes to natural phenomena, "having the trick explained" actually increases my subjective emotional investment in it. A sunny day is pretty, but knowing that the warming rays come from a phenomenally powerful balance of forces, millions of miles away which is itself held puny by other bodies that are mere twinkles in the night's sky. With that visceral joy of a sunny day comes wonder, and awe, humbleness, a little existential dread and a whole bunch of curiosity. To know that Van Gough's art was - in part - informed by sight defects and brain chemistry imbalances just brings them so much more depth and understanding the "how" gives me a more tangible connection to the "why". You can keep your God, I've got all the magic I need, and more.
"your bosons are giving me a hadron" - oh, so you're a heterosexualist! Never mind, I forgive you. We can't all be perfect. Anyone who can disagree so objectively with "Father" Casey is ok with me! ;)
That would be Hetrosexual no need for the ist.
Also there is nothing wrong with being Hetrosexual, just imagine if i said this sentence inserting the word Homosexual, would you like it ? not even cool as a joke.
@@nealgrimes4382 I am, gay, so shut it.
Well I thought your comment was funny as I took it for the joke it was meant to be 😉
"Our choices are made by our brain chemistry" So... The choices are made by me? I fail to see the problem here.
And just because emotions are literally chemical reactions in our brains, that doesn't mean we don't still feel those emotions or that said emotions no longer hold any meaning or importance to us.
This preist has the facade of the friendly, caring, intelligent cleric. But scratch the surface to find the intolerant dogmatist that's chasing people away from religion.
I was once a devoted Catholic. I gradually got myself out of it. It's a real mindf**k.
JL?? Nice choice! One of the best beards on the youtubes and always great commentary!
Appreciate it Syrph!
JL shut Casey down! Slam Dunk!
Thanks Andrew!
I seem to recall reading some verses that show that god is not a fan of lying. For Casey's sake, he should be aware of his lies and pray to his god for forgiveness.
Something creepy about a friar talking about "feeling a soul."
The Friar likes Souls, especially R Souls
the younger the "soul" the more the clergy wanna feel....
@@duckarse11 Brilliant and apt. 😂.
Do you think Casey doesn’t realize what he’s doing is using the same technology to accuse it of something
You couldn't have chosen a better guest host then JL Warren!! I love that man!!! Glorious beard and smile + smart and articulate 😍.... I think I'm fan-girling over here!! Bridge the Divide is a fantastic channel and their weekly debates are open to anyone to join in the conversation.
It's a shame the bible doesn't say, "There will be sophistry and rumours of bullshit." They'd be quids in if it did.
I just have to say it... The friar tuck cosplayer looks like a discount matpat...
Never fear, I am here
26:20 Being politically active and involved is the civic duty of citizens in a democracy, in societies where the rule of law is made by the people who are being governed by it. Casey is advocating a theocratic, anti-democratic notion by discouraging civic involvement. He's advocating for drastic reductions in personal freedom. The irony, of course, is that in the USA the "religious" are very politically active.
Casey's education has given him a manner that sounds polished and intelligent. But when you really examine the substance of what he says, there is very little intellect at work.
For the Algorithm. Have a great vacation.
It is a shame lying isn't considered a sin anymore by religious commentators
They cannot torture and burn people at stake anymore.
I find idea that life is finite and there is no afterlife comforting.
No matter what mistakes i make they will eventually mean nothing.
I dont have to worry about which specific set of rules i have to follow.
I dont have to worry about dying and becoming completely different person or continuing to suffer.
Casey knows what he is saying when he misrepresents things, such as what an atheist is. His will say anything, misrepresent anything to get people to accept that god is the only explanation for everything, but that is true for any apologist. The thing that I dislike the most is that Casey is sweetly condescending, talks to his audience as if they are small children, as opposed to other apologist who tend to be more aggressive in their presentation.
Is Father Casey actually kept his mouth shout, I could probably like the guy. But irrational belief kills any chance. Thanks for the holiday cover and an excellent, detailed debunk! I think I even learned things. Thanks!
The poor friar is not married, but he's well prepared for divorce. Friar Casey piles up the superlatives and infinites and negatives like there is no tomorrow (contrary to his theology). A sample of Friar Casey's words and phrases which also make up that tsunami which is divorce: "always," "never," "might as well just," "nothing to life but," "all there is," "you're not responsible for anything you do," "even though I can't prove it, I know," "I'm not going to debate this," "it's not a thing that reason can resolve," "I'm not going to play your game with your rules," "nothing more to hope for," "no matter how hard we work it is never what we desire," "there appears to be nothing we can agree on and no way to come to consensus."
I thoroughly enjoyed the video and found its content truly engaging.