2x42 Belt Grinder / Sander Review | Worth It?
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- This video reviews the popular 2x42 belt sander from Dayton / Palmgren / Norse / Craftsman. It's a good option if you're looking to get into the game of knifemaking! This grinder served me extremely well as a starter grinder for getting in the game and I would recommend it to those looking to start off in the craft. (sorry for the poor audio in this video!)
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Awesome review - thanks! And we didn't have to hear endless chatter about your trip to the shop or how you got a flat tire when you bought it. Very helpful (I'm just getting into knife making) and informative.
Thanks Sam. Happy you're getting into the game. I think the cheapest spot right now is the Norse Grinder on Amazon.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I had never made a knife before a month ago or so. What I wanted to make was something I could use for throwing. I made about 20 pointy pieces of bar steel that I could throw at the target. I rather liked doing it so I thought I would buy a little belt sander and try to make something I could give as Christmas presents. Being as, I am retired, cheap is good. Thanks for the video...
Hey Ken! I’m really happy to hear you found the review helpful. Knife making is a gratifying hobby! Definitely comes in handy during the holidays too!
Nicely done. This actually seems like a decent grinder. Great review!
Thank you sir! I've seen some pretty darn good makers use it. It got me though 20-30 knives before I found a good deal on a 2x72. Just take it easy with the pressure, be ware of the speed, and use fresh sharp belts. Check out Slavik Tely here - ruclips.net/channel/UCsCuMSw61beQuEpUOcvQOwg
I had one of these and it was pretty bad. I took off the sanding disc and added a vbelt pulley and then attached a 2 hp 1750 rpm motor that I had lying around and added a glass platten and a thumb wheel for the tracking adjustment. Then I went online and bought some decent belts for it. That turned it into a bit of a monster.
Thanks for sharing TruGrit as your supplier. A fraction of the cost of others!
You bet!
Very clear review
Thank you very much sir! Glad you liked it
Great review. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent review
@Airborne Mike Thanks for the feedback. Glad you liked it!
Well, it took the plunge, and hit proceed with purchase and bought the Norse. I'll be making mods as soon as I can, and belts will come from trugrit as combats abrasives are a tad bit more expensive. Thank you for all of your tutorials and reviews, they've been very helpful
Heck yeah man, good luck with your builds!
I'm looking to upgrade from my Harbor Freight 1x30. I think this might be exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks for the review.
Glad you liked it! I'd definitely call this grinder and upgrade from a 1x30!
Great video! On my way to buy one tomorrow. 😃
Hope you enjoy it!
awesome video! subscribed and bought the grinder via your affiliate link. looking forward to watching more of your stuff.
Really appreciate that sir! Hope you enjoy it. Heck of a fun hobby for sure! Have a great weekend.
I know this video is older, But I was about to pull the trigger on a 1x30.. Now I'm upgrading sooner, before I make a mistake... Very helpfull / Thank You.....
Glad it helped out!
Great quick review for beginner knife makers like me! Thank you. I was about to buy the grizzly or jet at double the price!
Glad it helped you out Christopher! It's not perfect, but it should get you in the game.
I guess it's quite randomly asking but do anyone know of a good place to watch new tv shows online?
@Kasen Gabriel Flixportal
@Howard Lucca Thank you, I went there and it seems to work :D I appreciate it!
@Kasen Gabriel No problem :D
I bought the Norse. I plan to follow through with your suggestions for mods. Thanks for the advice.
Let me know how it works for you! My beat advise is to take your time when learning it!
@@RedBeardOps Yeah, well, I'm still having a lot of problems with getting a clean grind line. I just need a lot more practice. So far, the new grinder is a lot easier to work to l with.
Jerry Swatsell yeah, it takes time! This method helped me at first ruclips.net/video/oGhAdcNafhA/видео.html
This will actually be a great option for my budget shop.
Cheers!
@@RedBeardOps sorry for all the comments, I have been rewatching all of your videos and getting pumped about smithing 🤣
@@RVsbladesnthangs nothing to be sorry about, I'm glad to hear you're stoked!
Great video .
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks!
Great review! Thanks for a detailed video. Do you have plans available for building a knife jig like the one used in this video?
Thanks! I do here are two videos that may help out: 1.) Bevel Jig - ruclips.net/video/zi8x1GLMGcI/видео.html 2.) Easy Plunge Lines - ruclips.net/video/oGhAdcNafhA/видео.html
@@RedBeardOps thank you, sir!
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Thanks for showing how to make something work. I am not selling knives and I can’t see spending 1,000 dollars on a grinder. Shipping alone is 300 dollars for 99% of the companies to ship to me. 2x72 grinders are nice and work great but you can make good knives with other grinders. You just have to make it work for you.
I forced a 40 grit belt on the belt grinderand spun the top wheel to start until it wore it down enough to clear the guard, took about 30 seconds. ;)
Nice work!
Very helpful! This review convinced me to give this grinder a try, and I'm pretty happy with it so far. Does your motor get pretty warm on this model? I noticed mine gets very warm / borderline hot in pretty short order at idle. Just wondering if that's been your experience, or if it's something I need to be concerned about.
It did get warm/hot for me. I could generally still touch it without being burned though. I always ground with a fan on me pushing out of the garage. That may have helped.
@@RedBeardOps Awesome, thank you! I went with the Dayton model as well. It gets hot enough to be pretty uncomfortable to the touch, but not "burn the skin off you" hot. Figured that might be the case with this little motor, but just wanted to be sure. Thanks also for the quick reply!
@@TheLeatherSniffer 10-4, I'm not an expert on little electric motors, but I know the electric motor on my drill press will get pretty warm/hot too. My bet is that it's normal. These grinders are so cheap... I'd ride it till it dies!
@@RedBeardOps Ha! That's the plan. Thanks again, that was super helpful.
@@TheLeatherSniffer Thanks a million for the Sub sir! And any time.
Great review. Have you tried to slow it down? Jeremy Fielding's channel has some very good information on how to identify and safely vary the speed of the different types of electric motors. That may improve the utility greatly. Thanks. 👍
I agree! If you could find a good way to slow it down, I think it would be more useful to the knife maker. Good luck sir!
This is a great video - thank you! A question I have - I'm wondering if you could swap the wheels without too much effort to effectively slow down the speed of the belt. I don't have my grinder yet (just ordered it) but thought that might help in some of my overheating issues on my 4x36. Thanks James!
Thanks for the praise. I'd say swapping the wheels would be highly difficult since the top wheel is attached to the tracking mechanism. You'd at the least need to cut off all the guards towards the top. I've seen some people slow the grinder down by taking the 6'' disk off and attaching a step pulley. Then using an additional motor mounted on the table with it's own set of step pulleys to adjust the speed. In that scenario you'd be bypassing the motor on the grinder. Your best bet is probably to exercise your patience while using it along with utilizing light pressure and fresh belts. The ceramic belts and gator belts grind at lower temps. Keep a bucket of water handy!
Can you make a video on how to make the work rest?
Sorry Henryk, I've sold this grinder to a friend. The work rest was just a piece of angle iron and steel plate.
Thanks for the review! What belt grits would you recommend for a beginner knifemaker? Ceramic 36, 60/80? Etc.? I'm looking for a simple sating finish as the end result, nothing mirrored.
Hey Martin, this is a great place to start on the topic - www.bladeforums.com/threads/belt-progression-compilation-steel-and-handles.1638807/
@@RedBeardOps Thank you!
Thank you for the awesome video. I bought a Norse grinder and it's really loud. Unbearably loud. I'm a table top sander newbie, what is the first thing I should do to make it more quiet?thanks:))
I wear hearing protection when grinding... not sure you can make it quiet!
Your voice is a couple octives higher in this video than your most recent ones! 😁
Lol, yeah... Wish I could re-do the audio on this one!
Do you have a video on building a jig?
I do have a bevel jig video. It was the same vintage as this video
Hi, thanks for the video. I am in the process of buying a 2 x 42 and was considering one with the 3/4 ho motor. Have you ever compare the two? I am tired of my 1x30 bogging down and that has a 1/3 hp.
No sir, this model is the only one I've used. It had plenty of power for what I was using it for.
Retro Guy, I am thinking along the same line. Who makes ac2 x 42cwith a 3/4 horse? Haven't seen any.
How powerful is the motor on this thing? I have a Sears 2x42 but the belt makes more of an A shape than this one and it also has a platen free area that makes it possible to do corners. I would use this for heavy stuff like grinding 1/4" and thicker lawn mower blades and also for welding projects. One like my old Sears unit is over $500 now and I know I did not pay anything near that new. I think the knife craze has doubled the price on these things. The old Sears unit has enough power but I need one for my farm and want to leave the Sears one at home since I need if for a business I run.
Hey Perry, the knife craze has definitely jacked up grinder prices! I think this unit would do just fine to sharpen mower blades. The motor on it is 1/3 HP. With my experience I didn't have any issues with it bogging down. I would advise getting some ceramic 36 or 60 grit belts from TruGrit.com, which will make quick work of your large mower blades. The cutting ability of the ceramics are an extreme advantage. 👍
@@RedBeardOps I have been getting belts from mcmaster.com. I get the 36 grit and finer zirconia belts. These belts also don't come apart like the brown ones. This is pretty close to the one I have now but $500 is a little steep. www.amazon.com/J-41002-2-Inch-42-Inch-4-Horsepower-8-Inch/dp/B003J69ET0/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvp?keywords=knife+grinders&pd_rd_i=B003J69ET0&pd_rd_r=e915af4d-049c-4be7-8e59-b6321e4f5285&pd_rd_w=TVZkV&pd_rd_wg=X0k2N&pf_rd_p=a6d018ad-f20b-46c9-8920-433972c7d9b7&pf_rd_r=KCZ6VW3JTFBEZYBNGQZJ&qid=1565052005&s=gateway
Hello do you have a link where you get your belts I just purchased the palmgren sander but here in Canada I'm having a hard time finding the belts for it especially Montreal if you would have a link to where I can purchase some I would greatly appreciate it thank you excellent job on a video
Daniel Patton you can get your belts from trugrit.com. Cheers! Thanks for watching
You can also get AO belts here: amzn.to/2LK8hHX
Do you need to remove the bottom contact wheel when cutting the guard off?
No Sir
Could you add an adjustable power to reduce the speed
I heard you'd burn up this motor trying that, but I could be wrong.
Is this grinder brushless if so do think I can put a dimmer switch on it to make it variable speed ??
Hey Barry, I've heard that you can't with this machine, but I'm not really sure.
Can you use the uncovered top idler wheel for hollow grinding? Or if not do you think a bench grinder with stone wheels would do the job? Even if only in a rough sense where hand tools would be needed to clean it up
Hey man. For getting good hollow grinds I think you'd want a rubber contact wheel. I haven't done any hollow grinding myself except for fulling, but even when doing that a rubber contact wheel is wayyyy better. So yeah, I wouldn't advise it with this set up.
@@RedBeardOps do you think it would be possible to modfy the set up you have to add a contact wheel? i do wonder whether it would be possible to remove the idler wheel and replace it with a larger contact wheel?
@@RedBeardOps bear with me on all the questions, if you were able to make the plattern removeable do you think a convex plattern would do the job? i am straight up trying to work around crappy selection at a budget in the uk(though your video did change my plans from a 1x 30 to a dayton model that you use for £159 all be it at about 70 more expensive, i am unsure to be honest whether either idea would be feasible or even safe on a high speed moving part tool so im trying to steal your experience, shamelessly.
michael h lol I get it man! Sometimes you need to stretch funds. I think a convex platen could work, and probably would work better than trying to add a contact wheel. With enough modification I’m sure it’s possible to add a contact wheel (you’re talking about the drive wheel attached to the motor right? Not the tracking wheel.). It wouldn’t be easy... but I bet it’s doable. It would have to be larger since there isn’t much space down there to actually move the knife side to side and grind. You may run into issues with the belts not being long enough. With the level of modifications you’re talking about... you minus well build your own grinder (like the Coote 2x72).
Where did you get the tryzact belts
I buy 2x42 belts from Tru-Grit. This should get you there: trugrit.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=198_1_145_150&zenid=ebac7a44d15c206a980aa9ef5b974635
Do you think it is better to get a cheap 1x30 to get in the door first, and just save for a 2x72, or go to this guy first? I'm trying to build a budget knife shop from scratch and looking to save where I can.✌️
Thats not a bad option. Many do that for sure.
what is the platen size if you wish to add a glass platen
Hey Carolina, I don't recall. Sorry about that
On my palmgren, the belt walks on the stock platten. I can't find any info on whether or not it's an issue with the belt tensioner, it just seems too weak to hold the belt tight. Will adding a thicker platten solve this issue? I can't find anyone with that specific issue, and wondering if I have a faulty tensioner.
Hey Kenny, I'm really not sure. I doubt a thicker platen will solve the tracking issue.
Hey, I was about to buy the 4 x 36, but they are out of stock. That one has 2/4 HP, This one is only 1/3 HP, and 2 x 42 BUCKTOOL. Is it enough for working in metal (not professionally just enthusiast )
thanks
Hello sir, I found this 2x42 to be pretty adequate for general metal working. You can get some nice belts from Tru-Grit as well that makes it even better.
Is the bucktool grinder the same as well?
Hey Philip, I'm really not sure. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more clones.
Nice! I’m looking for those gator belts. No one has the size 2 by 42 and 1 by 30. Any ideas?
Try these guys - trugrit.com/product-category/abrasives/abrasive-belts/
@@RedBeardOps thanks! Thought I would never find them.
Is there a kit sold to bolt on a bench grinder
cool!
can the platen be removed for getting into tight places, like guitar bodies and can youmount 1" belts on it? thank you.
The platen can be removed and you can split belts. I'm not sure if it would work on guitar bodies though, never tried.
Came here from your insta. Do you find that you can stop the motor when trying to rough grind?Because to get the most of the ceramic belts you have to put a lot of pressure.
Also just subbed
It is defiantly possible to stall this motor. You do have to be leaning in very hard to cause this to happen. I wouldn't consider this a large negative for this grinder since it can hog off material very well with a ceramic on it. Something to be aware of though. Also when you're setting up your platen, it's possible to have the platen too proud of the wheels causing a greater than designed belt tension... this can also make the motor work harder than needed and cause stalls.
@@touchMelilbro Thanks!
@@RedBeardOps nice
Is this worth the money for a upgrade from a wen 1x30? Should I save up for a 2x72? Knife pricing wise, I’m not sure I want to increase them because of abrasive costs
Man, those are tough questions. I feel like the 2x42 is far superior than the 1x30. There are some great makers out there that use this grinder. You just need to know that the learning curve will likely be larger than if you went straight to a VFD controlled 2x72. This thing is fast. That being said, if you learn to grind with this guy, you'll be a better grinder when you do upgrade to the 2x72. Now days there are some really good 2x72 options the the market at reasonable prices so you could use your 2x42 to produce some knives, safe your money, and purchase the 2x72 with the proceeds. Then sell your 2x42 locally on craigs list to recoup some of the money.
When you do upgrade to the 2x72... I highly recommend spending the money on a VFD... it's a game changer.
That’s a great idea. I forge most of my knives right now and the bevels. I am just looking for a grinder that would be able to get all the hammer marks out without using up lots of belts and taking a while. Thanks, and Happy forging
I’ve got a real question. I’m looking at this grinder as well as the Bucktool 4x36 5amp 3/4hp with 6inch disc. Is there a benefit of the extra 1/4 hp of the 4x36 or does it just get spent due to the wider belt? I like this one because it looks more like a 2x72 that I use at the shop because it’s longer, but that extra power on the 4x36 is intriguing. What do you think
Are you going to be using it for knifemaking? If so go with the 2'' wide belts for sure.
@@RedBeardOps Yeah for knife making. Okay I’ll keep looking into this one. I wasn’t sure if the extra power was worth it while also gaining 2 extra inches in width on the belt
@@MG-hx3ym When it comes to grinding bevels, I find it way easier to use a narrower 2'' belt.
@@RedBeardOps right on. Thanks a lot
I’m so glad I came back and watched this again. After a week of using my Bucktool 2x42 I realized that my conditioning belts wouldn’t fit because of the safety guards. Then I realized that, “ Hey 2x72’s rarely have anything covering the belt,” then I came back and sure enough you removed yours with success. I will be doing this so I can use my 36 grit belts and my conditioning belts.
I bought one and I can’t seem to fix the tension on the belt it won’t regain it I have tried but I can’t fix it any idea what could be the problem?
Hey Nick, I really don't know. Maybe you got a bad one? Right size belts?
I have just received my 2x42 belt grinder. Is there anyway to titan the belt?
2x42 belts should be appropriately tensioned with the built in tensioner on this machine. I don't think you can adjust it.
I have a question. Is the belt for sanding or grinding?, i plan on using it for sharpening
Sanding when working with woods and grinding when working with metals!
@@RedBeardOps thanks man
Has anyone pulled the 2 x 42 assembly off and transplanted it on to a 1 hp variable speed 8” bench grinder?
I haven't - sorry bout that - Have a great day!
Do you have to remove the bottom contact wheel to cut the guards off?
No sir
@@RedBeardOps thanks for the reply and thanks for the videos. Just set up a little shop in my garage and I owe a lot of that to your vids.
@@nicholascurran4290 Heck yeah man! Glad to hear it! Good luck with your shop and your knives! Slay it this weekend.
hi looking for better grinder,have 1x42 grilzzy 1750 rpm would like varible speed love your vidos great knife making...thats what i want to do...if you have the time and any i need to sell knives like to sell to build more thank you walter was looking at that grinder
Cheer sir. I saw your follow up comment
So, I forge my knives and have a bench grinder for mass material removal, except it makes the most ugly marks.
For strictly bevels, Grinding knives flat, and handles, would this be recommended? I don't really have the space for a huge 2 x 72.
Hey man, I used this one for many knives. It's not as good as a 2x72 with VFD... but can get the job done
@@RedBeardOps So would you recommend these over other 2x42's? Would you prefer a 2x48?
@@harvesterbladeco I don't know enough to answer that one
@@RedBeardOps OK. Thank you sir. Final question, how long would it take to grind 2 middleish bevels on a 1/8 inch thick 4 inch blade knife? You don't have to reply but that would give me an estimate.
@@harvesterbladeco It varies greatly. maybe 1-2 hours taking your time
can you add t slow it down walter
No sir. It runs at one speed
Where did you get the trizact Gator belt for the 2x42 I cant find them anywhere
I got those from TruGrit
Do they have belt bump or are they smooth like ceramic belts when moving
@@davidnolan361 gators run way smoother than a J-flex in my opinion.
Ok cuz I got a few j flex belts and they are impossible to use I dont know how anyone could thanks for the advice I really appreciate it
I was just curious if you would be interested in making or selling me one of those work tables made for this machine, no paint needed. I dont have local resources here in my area. No big hurry........thanks for the video.....
Hey 3228000, please send your inquiry to jkeetonknives@gmail.com. I have an available work rest to sell.
I would be interested as well.
@@jameshall9914 Hey James, if you're interested in the work rest please shoot me an email at jkeetonknives@gmail.com. I do have one available.
If anyone comes across this comment in the future; I no longer have any available work-rests for sale.
Good review. Have you tried to slow it? Jeremy Fielding's channel has some very good information on safely varying the speed of different types of electric motors. Thanks. 👍
How in the world did you cut away all those "safety" shields so effectively?
years of practice! Be safe my friend! Cheers
What size the motor?
I don't remember 100%. Maybe 1/3HP
@@RedBeardOps Thank you.
You could make a business out of making mods for these grinders.i bet you would sell them all fast
Hah, I bet you're right. I did sell the work rest I made.
@@RedBeardOps I love making the tools that make the knives almost as much as making the knives lol
@@xxstr8jacketxx I'm right there with you! Making jigs and tools is fun
Sell larger work rests to those who are unable to make their own.
If I bought this grinder, could I ship you my work table piece and contract you to make me a work table like yours? I don’t have the welding equipment, but would love that robust work table you have, I’m new to knife making and will be spoiling myself right off the bat with better equipment, it will help me to jump some of those initial hurdles most of you knife guys mention. I would appreciate this and would gladly pay for it, contact me and we can discuss it if you’d like.
Hey Austin, this isn't my line of work. I'd advise you finding a friend in the area with a welding machine since the table is of pretty simple construction.
I just don't see 1/3 hp having enough power.
Made some good knives with this machine; it'll get the job done. Gotta get good belts
@@RedBeardOps ceramic belts?
@@ItsJustMeMcKeeYes the ceramics really help
Nope, sorry….no engine here. There is a MOTOR though.
Yeah, get those safety shields out of the way, just don't come to the emergency room crying and begging for help, it's a bother and a waste of time to help people like you, anyways.
Have a great weekend Fyita
@@RedBeardOps Yeah, you yoo, dude, nice video.
1/3 hp engine. Does it use regular gas? Lol. Does not know difference from engine or motor.
Sorry for the mistake in my verbal presentation.