Havasupai - Everything you need to know
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- Well, this video was years in the making. And it's a beast. I scrubbed through about 8 hours of footage I filmed during four separate trips to Havasupai to create the ultimate guide to Havasupai. I know this place is a draw for people all over the world and there are lots and lots of questions. Hopefully this resource makes planning your trip easier.
DISCLAIMER: There is a TON of information, so although I did my best, I'm sure I missed something. I may even be wrong on a couple things. And they are CONSTANTLY changing the rules and other specifics. So as a disclaimer, you should always consult the Havasupai Tribe for the official rules and regulations. They're in charge. You're responsible for yourself and I'm just some random dude on the internet. Hiking is dangerous. The wilderness is full of wild animals and unpredictable weather and all that stuff. So....yeah. Don't blame me.
Anyway, here are some resources and other info. I know it seems like a lot, but it's absolutely worth it. Good luck getting permits and have a safe trip.
The main website (for permits)
www.havasupaireservations.com...
Official Tribe website (a good source for more info, but it does not seem to get updated as much as the main website)
theofficialhavasupaitribe.com/
Airwest website (helicopter service):
www.airwesthelicopters.com/co...
Jacob D's epic video where he had to evacuate (he also ran into us at the Wave and climbed Angel's Landing on this trip!):
• Helicopter Rescue afte...
My last two trip videos:
• Havasupai Falls - Back...
• Backpacking Havasupai,...
My confluence video:
• Havasu Creek & Colorad...
Important coordinates:
Trailhead 36.15973, -112.70910
Supai village 36.23589, -112.68841
Fifty Foot Falls 36.24633, -112.70031
Little Navajo Falls 36.24769, -112.69816
Havasu Falls 36.25526, -112.69806
Campground 36.25647, -112.70043
Mooney Falls 36.26293, -112.70883
Beaver Falls 36.28221, -112.72993 (approximately)
Chapters in case you only have a specific question. Just skip through the video and don't feel bad that it took me about 8 years to film and 3 weeks to edit. I'll be OK, I swear.
0:00 Intro
0:50 Look for updates & online resources
1:18 Getting permits, cancellations and other red tape
7:18 The lodge
8:33 Presale / Permit Lottery for 2024
10:45 Picking up permits / Grand Canyon Caverns Inn
11:54 Nearby facilities
12:43 The drive in
12:56 The checkpoint
14:49 The trailhead / parking lot
16:34 The hike in
20:21 Supai Village
22:20 Hike from Supai to Campground
22:56 The Campground
28:38 The Waterfalls
28:48 Fifty Foot Falls
30:18 Little Navajo Falls
30:43 Havasu Falls
32:11 Mooney Falls
34:50 The hike to Beaver Falls
36:06 Beaver Falls
36:51 The Confluence
38:14 Food & taco stand
39:14 Leave no trace & the trash problem
41:09 Pack mules & horses
43:03 Helicopters
46:29 Wayfinding
46:45 Gear to bring
47:49 Water shoes
48:48 Weather
50:08 Wildlife
50:37 Common questions
Havasupai presale 2024
I'll try to update this with any more info I come up with.
Some people have asked what to put if they don't have rental car info. You can send a question to the Tribe (e mail is on their website. I think under the Help and Contact section.) Personally, I would put down my own vehicle's info to register/buy permits. And when I got to the Inn, I would tell the person who I got the permit from and ask what you need to do to change it. Leave a copy of the paperwork on the dashboard. I haven't seen anything that makes me think they check vehicles against the permits or anything. But this is just my opinion. I don't know, and they haven't gotten back to me from my original questions yet. I doubt it would help to send another.
Edit 1: I finally got a response from the Tribe about the trail and checkpoint hours, but it was just a canned response that basically said it depends on the time of year and conditions and I should check back when it gets closer to the date of my hike.
In response to how many vehicles can you park at the trailhead on a single reservation, they said this; "For parking options, there is ample parking available for all visitors. However, it is important to adhere to the parking regulations to avoid any inconveniences. Please refrain from parking in areas that are designated as "No Parking" and avoid using the parking area by the helipad, as this is reserved exclusively for members of the Havasupai Tribe. Parking on the road itself is also prohibited, and vehicles parked in violation of these regulations may be subject to towing. While there is limited parking for RVs, you may need to park at a distance from the trailhead along the side of the road. Please be aware that turning around on the way out may be challenging due to tight parking conditions."
Edit 2: Appears there have been a lot of overbookings and the presale didn’t go smoothly. It’s a shame. Hopefully they’ll get it sorted out for 2025.
Edit 3: I wasn’t able to get info on when the checkpoint opens, ie how early you can start hiking. I’ve also read a random comment that said the checkpoint is gone. I don’t know if that’s true or not. If you’re concerned about what time you can start hiking and you’re coming in the night before, I recommend you confirm when you can go when you pick up your permit. If you’re getting your permit the day you start hiking, you’ll probably be limited by when the permit office opens. Either way, I recommend starting as early as they’ll allow.
Obtained a reservation today but didn’t see anything regarding vehicle info? Maybe I’m missing something?
Wow! The last time I was in Havasupi was 1969. We went down with a group of Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts 40 of us in all. It was the third week in October. We were the only group down there. We camped at Mooney Falls. Amazing the swing rope is still there in the same location. We actually went there each Oct in '66, '67, '68 and '69. It was an amazing and spiritual adventure. I can't imagine it would be the same with 400 other souls.
Wow.....I can't imagine experiencing it like that. Glad you made that happen.
I was one of the Boy Scouts. so it was Kit Carson Council out of Albuquerque NM who made the arrangements. Our transportation was taking the Santa Fe Super Chief Train from ABQ to Williams JCT AZ and then a bus to the trailhead.
@@JerryArizona
Three of my school friends (Class of ‘73!) and I hiked into the canyon on 4/29/24. All of us will be 69 years old this year, but are in good shape. We had a ball, and your informative video (and the one of Mooney Falls chains and ladders) was so helpful. Thanks so much for the work and editing you put into your videos. We made it to Beaver Falls-gorgeous.
"Didn't see any propane in the village store.". After seeing those leftover cylinders, I'll bet not.
This seems like THE comprehensive guide for this destination. Really well done. I don't know that I'll ever want to go there myself but a lot of the questions I had about Havasupai were answered and I appreciate your commitment to no trace and respecting the people who live there.
Thanks for the video. I enjoy your channel immensely. Make sure you keep us fans up to date on the surgery and recovery process. You have many more good years left in you.
Thanks! ALMOST time for surgery. Just been laying low trying not to completely detach it in the meantime.
Great video.
How things have changed since I used to go there in the mid 90's. I remember that we had to pay 2
$20 for the permit. We'd camp overnight in the parking lot before hiking down. One trip I happen to get sick the morning that we had to hike out. I paid $20 to have a mule take my pack up. I was able to hike out. When I arrived at the parking lot my pack was just left leaning against the light pole. I don't believe at that time no where near 400 hikers down there.
Once seen a boy scout group coming down kids were carrying ice chests, luggage and what not.
I'm so glad that I had the opportunity back then to hike there. By the way, I really like altra's for hiking too.
I went with a group around 1992-94, well worth it, but definitely a cheaper and easier process back then. So glad I had the opportunity.
Ok,.....Last April was my 4th time down to supai and while I enjoyed myself I couldn't help but think......This isn't worth all the time and money anymore!!?? I'm happy with a simple trip to Fossil Creek for $6. At my age of 58....I hate to feel like a Chump or Sucker....and that's how I felt. Rafting the Colorado river 180 miles this summer ...can't wait. Skiing Flagstaff tomorrow! Lol Timmy C the forever bachelor.
They've officially priced it out of my range for a yearly visit, for sure. Great deal if you haven't been before, but I agree. If you've been a few times, it's pricey.
I backpacked into Havasupai at least twice. Once somebody else got the permit, another time I got it. I don't remember how it was done in the 1980s. Maybe we got them at the store when we got down there. At least one of those trips was in mid November. Weather was great, every time I went, and warm enough to swim, but not too hot in the daytime. We always hiked in late at night and went through the village after midnight. Wow, 400 people per day. They didn't allow that many people when I went. There used to be a big theft problem in camp. Things like cash, electronics, and weed disappeared from camp every time I was there. Packs of dogs would go through camp at night, too. I never had anything stolen, but some of my friends did. What a fantastic place! I am so grateful I had the chance to make it there.
I've heard about people having their stuff stolen at camp. I had my camera on me at all times. Personally never had a problem with it though.
Wow. My grandfather used to take us to Havasu every summer. I was too little to go with the bigger kids on the trails, but these are fascinating. I think i see brickwork every once in a while, especially at 33:48. These look man-altred to me. I'm learning about Lake Bonneville and how it altered the West. There was a catastrophic event that destroyed a lot of villages and structures. It was the melted tops that threw me off. All I can see at some of these places is high-pressure water marks, with no receding watermarks. It is very confusing, especially in a desert. I even think that I see megalithic blocks throughout this video and regular size bricks here and there. Did anything look like brickwork to you? Amazing cave system and the terraced ponds that struck me as a paradise to live in. The possibilities in the canyon for ancient life are 100%. Check every box! Thank You for the information and for taking us along. 😊
Jerry, you are so easy to listen to, voice, delivery, everything.
Fabulous work. With your note about the time put into it -- it sure shows in results. Nicely done editing stuff from past trips to make this so complete -- exceptionally good and useful for any level of outdoor experience, or even essentially no prior experience at Grand Canyon.
What a perfect video. You covered everything that needs to be known without revealing too much that would spoil the fun. Great work!
Thank you for such a great video. Honest. Detailed. Everything you need to plan this trip.
Been on my wife's bucketlist for years.
We never knew all the details behind this trip and we just need to be honest its not something we physically can do.
Great video. Thank you.
If it's just a matter of not being in shape for this type of hike, get out there and work up to it. It's definitely not impossible. Even if you think you're too old, I know plenty of people who are still out there doing amazing things. Look up Flatiron Jim. He's 93 and does the hardest hike in the valley multiple times a week. Takes time, but you can condition yourself to make it a reality. If there are other health issues, I get it and don't push yourself too far. But otherwise, start small and keep working at it (safely so you don't over-exert) and you can make it happen.
Good way to continue to post while dealing with your injury. Keep them coming. My wife and I are traveling to the south west sometime in March and I will try to get her to do a few of your hikes with me. Since the high in Minnesota was -2 degrees, I think she may be convinced. Take care Jerry!
Wow! What a thorough, informative video. Clearly, you put a lot of thought and work into this. Well done! My wife and I went there around 1988 with a group of other U of A grad students. We had the place pretty much to ourselves. We stayed at the lodge and even starving grad students could easily afford it then. We made it to the bottom of Mooney Falls but not further, unfortunately. I would love to go back there. The natural beauty there is spectacular and it deserves its reputation. Thanks for your rant about packing it out. That should go without saying but unfortunately some people just aren't up to speed on a lot of things that should be common sense.
Thank you for this unbelievably informative, thorough video, Jerry. Grateful for your work, especially while you're injured. Love you man!
We just got our reservation for October - that's really exciting. It seems you don't need to provide a vehicle licence plate until you get there. The email says:
"Before you leave the trailhead parking area, note the license plate number of your vehicle to provide at check in."
That's good for us, because we live in Australia and won't know our rental car details until we get there!
Lucky the road is good, as it's almost impossible to rent a 4WD, which restricts the places we foreign types can travel to
Yeah, from what I hear, they've changed that for 2024. I think you used to fill it out when you registered on their website. Regardless, I don't get the impression they really check in the lot. We put a copy of the permit on the dashboard to be safe, but I've gone and not done that before with no problems. I wouldn't worry about it. Just ask when you get your permit and they'll work it out. And you shouldn't have to worry about 4WD at all for this. Congrats on getting permits and enjoy!
I had forgotten how much of a concern it was for the water shoes question. I was so wrapped up in the forums that I actually bought a separate pair just for that trip. They worked and were fine, but like you said, I could have easily just worn my altras and brought camp shoes. One of those things you kind of learn as you hike and backpack more, I guess. On my first try, I was able to snag a Memorial Day weekend date, back in 2017, for my son's 18th. It was warm, but it was fun. On our last day, we hiked out just after 7 pm and made it to hilltop at midnight. It was slightly too warm for us to chance waiting on the helo and then not getting it. Hike in and out was beautiful, even saw a coyote in the evening. On the way in, one of the tribal members on horseback did stop and check our permit. Also, that road to the TH, make sure you keep an eye out driving! Elk, cows, and jack rabbits are often alongside and/or on the road. Great trip! Still debating on if I'll try again. So many other places to see that I could apply that fee. It's definitely a place to visit at least once.
Agreed. And good points on the elk and cows along the road. We also got checked on the trail now that you mention it.
Thanks so much for this great and informative video! Headed in next week and will use a lot of your information to make this even more memorable!
You're welcome and enjoy!
Got my reservation. Would not have even known about the lottery without this video coming out right on time, thank you good sir.
Congrats & enjoy!
You are always so thorough. 💪 I can't wait to rewatch this in a year or so.
thanks for this comprehensive video!! I am a solo hiker and this is in the top three hikes I've wanted to do
Done it solo twice. I'd try out the presale (as long as you're flexible if you get random dates), 2/1 and then check for cancellations as a last resort. The single permits are the easiest to get, for sure.
Did this trek about 13 years ago. I think we paid about 60 bucks each. I remember lots of trash on the trail and overflowing toilets at the campsite areas. Glad we did it when we did. Don't think I would try to do another trip.
Way too many rules and people.
We have lots of photos of the village .
No rules on that long time ago.
The scenery was amazing we even did the hike down to the Colorado River .what an azz kicker.
I’ve always wanted to do this- I’m just not flexible enough and I’m intimidated by the length of the trail. I really appreciate all these details and I hope one day I can do this!!!
Work up to it! It's not that bad of a hike, but I put in a lot of warnings because a lot of people go in without any experience or training. In that case, it is really challenging. But otherwise it's not bad.
Thank you for the heads up about the lottery. I just got notified that I was selected!!!!
Awesome! Congrats!
Omg me too 🎉, my trip is gonna be in May, I just read and came immediately to RUclips yo know more info about it , and this video is very helpful.
I could kick myself for not knowing about this place 55 years ago when I live in Arizona, but for those young enough to make the trip your video was extremely informative.
Great informational video. Thanks!
I've visited other parts of the Grand Canyon, but not Havasupai yet. Definitely hope to travel there some time. Thanks for the helpful tips and sharing the amazing footage 😍👍
Wow... I am so glad I went 8 years ago when its was sooooo much cheaper and less complicated. Unique destination though for sure!
Omg, the phone system back then....Otherwise, I agree. Several years ago, I was telling my wife "If I were them, I'd double the price until it took a day to sell out the year. Then I'd keep doubling it until it took a week." And that's what they pretty much did right after. I hope that money goes toward helping the Tribe. I did notice a big, brand new healthcare clinic down there this year, so maybe it is.
@@JerryArizona I agree that the phone system was terrible. I also agree that the tribe should get as much money as they can for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that "we" relegate native peoples to specific lands...although I am thankful there is not yet a casino down there. I am also thankful that I had the privilege to go when I did as I could not afford to do so now.
That’s a pretty comprehensive video. Filling up your gas tank in Seligman is GREAT advice. My buddy and I forgot to and were very close to empty by the time we got back there on our way out. Hope you’re doing good. I look forward to watching you compete in the arm wrestling championships later this year💪😄
Haha! I doubt there's any arm wrestling in my future. Bit hopefully I'll be back out soon, even if it's to a lesser extent.
“The mountains are calling….”
That was an amazing video. You did a wonderful job. You answered many of the questions that I had. Thank you so much.
Thank you for all this information!
This is amazing, and invaluable, thank you Jerry!
Awesome video,, very thorough. Thank you,
This is super helpful and complete. Enjoyed this one and saved it for future reference.
Good to see you recording again! Miss you pal!
Thanks! All old footage, but I've been meaning to make this for a while. I have footage from some shorter trips that I can dig into now, so hopefully more coming soon. This thing clogged up all the memory on my computer, so I couldn't stop until I was finished.
Very helpful, thanks Jerry.
Great video. The mesh trailrunners are a good call-out. Your hiking shoes are your running shoes. The trail between Supai and the campground is pretty sandy, so you'll probably have to dump your shoes out at least once on that section, but otherwise they are the perfect footwear for this hike.
Top informations, thanks, merci beaucoup Jerry.
I have a photo of me at this point 22:49! 😊
The water is cold.
There is a spot behind the falls where you can stand and then dive through the water.
I felt the motion of the water when I was lying in my tent later that night.
Mooney Falls descent is *scary* for people with a fear of heights.
In early 1990s, when I went there were spring water spots to refill water while you were at the campsite. I haven't watched the complete video yet, but thought I would add that info jic.
Thanks for all this info Jerry! I just got a camping permit today 🎉 I love your videos
Congrats and enjoy!
Thank you. This was very helpful!
This was an awesome video, Thank you for all the information! I couldn’t handle the heat and you totally lost me at 🕷️
Thank you Jerry, your videos are always so thorough and informative. This is on my list but I'm afraid of that descent to Mooney. I'd hate to get there and not be able to make it all the way. I'll give it some thought though because it is just so darn beautiful!!!
Go for it. Even if you don't make it, it's still worth it. And who knows, maybe you'll enjoy the climb.
You're the best Jerry. I remember you telling me about deciding to hike out because of the helicopter line up issue.
good info great vid ty!
Tha k you for this very thorough video! I would like to go one day but I would not want to stay so long. Its very beautiful but very intimidating for someone who doesn't backpack or camp.
I loved everything about this video! The most helpful one i’ve watched so far! Thanks for that! We are planning on visiting this year (if we can get our hands on permits). We’re flying in from Canada and will need a rental car to reach the trailhead so i was a little bit concerned when you mentioned entering the car plate upon permit purchase….because, obviously, we won’t know the plate until we get the car…..can we update that information later on?
I pinned a comment at the top where I give my two cents on it. But I've never seen them really check. I'd put my personal vehicle info, then ask when you pick up permits. Odds are good they'll just say put the permit on the dashboard and don't worry about it. Good luck!
@@JerryArizonathank you! we succeeded on getting permits at the end of april this year!!! We are so excited 🎉
Very thorough video. Thank you. I was about to email their support for info on the cafe, and thought I’d ask you, first. What does the cafe have to offer? Thanks, again!
If you search "Havasupai Cafe Menu", it should bring you to a website. I wouldn't trust it too much since they don't update it often. I haven't eaten there so I can't be more help than that, unfortunately.
Hello Sir! Thank you so much for great video, it was really informative. I am going to the falls next Monday and am super excited, but I have one question. I know that I can stay 4 days in the falls but I think that's quite a long time for me so I am planning to stay only 1 day in the falls and leave on day 2. Do you think it will be okay to do that?
17:20 SO IMPORTANT!
This is a *real* hike! It is HOT at the Falls. It is *much* colder at the parking lot. I went in August. The return hike back to your car will *kick your butt*!
12 miles to campground *one way*
Great video, Jerry. Thank you!
One question. If you’re going there with a rental vehicle, what do you put on the application for the permit for make, model, and plate#? Hopefully you have the answer, lol. Thanks again, dude.😊
I'm gonna pin a comment on this since it's been asked a few times.
Wow, now that was pretty complete! Thank you. When booking a permit in advance, is putting vehicle information required? I won't know what rental car I'll have ahead of time.
Don’t take my word on it, but I’d just guess that info. Like even use your own vehicle. When you pick up your permits you can ask if they can change it. Again, I haven’t done it personally, but I haven’t seen anything that makes me think they actually cross check that info. And I’m sure you aren’t the first person with that problem. I’d put a copy of the permit on the dash and not worry about it
Hi from Virginia! Thanks to your video I secured permits… first time! I had a quick question (from one of your other videos). We are intrigued (gonna do it) about the helicopter out. Can you reserve ahead of time or just show up at the village the morning of of your departure day and “hope for the best”. My husband and I love your videos.. they’ve helped us in planning some of our trips. A couple years ago secured The Wave permit thanks to watching one of your videos.
Sounds like you didn't actually watch the video
There is a section in here on the helicopters. It's a pretty long video, but if you want to skip straight to it, look at the chapters broken out in the description. Any further questions, let me know.
This is the second video you've put out that glosses over the dire circumstances of the locals and how that affects one's desire to do this hike. We were there in about 2009 (maybe things have changed?) and here's what we saw and why we won't go back. The parking lot was a wild scene. There were four or five burned out cars and general chaos surrounding the helicopter flights and pack mule trains. The only reason we left our car there was that it was a sleeper vehicle that didn't attract much attention. The hike down was fine but the mules were managed in a way that made it clear that you were on your own and had to look out for yourself to not get run over. The village was scary. The stink eye from the gangsta Raiders tee shirt wearing locals was intense. Cottonwood trees were being aggressively denuded to feed the mules to make money. There seemed to be an addiction to soda pop judging from the aluminum cans laying around. Poverty is one thing but this was another. Not hard to understand why they don't want photos taken. The canyon IS exceptionally beautiful, but the sense of beauty and nature has a dark shadow cast over it by the human circumstances.
Well, it’s people so you’ll always have the human element to deal with. I hear you. I say to approach the village like you would any other town you aren’t familiar with; be smart about it. As for the parking lot, that wasn’t my experience. There are numerous video clips that show what I saw when I was there. I think there may have been a couple broken down vehicles in the Tribe’s parking lot. For the helicopter, I actually use the word ‘chaos’ when I talk about it. So I agree with you there. I also say the horses and mules are loose and it’s up to you to get out of your way, not vice versa. As for anything else about the people or the village, I did what I advise people to do; abide by their rules and give them as much privacy as you can while passing through. It’s not a video about the Havasupai Tribe. It’s a video about visiting Havasupai as a hiker. I haven’t spent a bunch of time with the people or in the village so I’m not qualified to speak to that anyway. I tried to treat them like I would want to be treated by people visiting my home; be respectful and stay out of their hair. And I didn’t have any problems in any of my visits in that regard. I do feel some were not psyched about all the visitors. I even talked about it at the end. But I think it’s important to keep in mind that it’s a community. And like all communities that have a lot of tourism, I’m sure some of the people who live there don’t want anything to do with the tourists.
@@JerryArizona As far as treating it like any other town you are unfamiliar with, this is a town where you lock the car doors, don't look at anyone, and keep driving on through.
@scotturner3178 can you blame them? Seems to me Native Americans earned the right to have an attitude.
Very nice video. I have a few questions
Do they accept credit cards at the restaurant in the village ?
If not how much cash should I carry for a three days stay just for the food ?
For the helicopter ride out of the village they don’t accept credit cards ? I thought they did
If I hv to walk is it a good idea to leave at 4 or 5 am ? Will it be dark ? And is it safe to hike so early ? Hope I won’t get lost walking in the dark And how long is the hike from the lodge to the trail head ?
Thanks for the hint at small cave before the climb down to Mooney falls. I made that mistake at the subway. I was unable to find the way down to the river from the top. I realized my mistake when I watched the videos and made a long trip again and finished it 😊
Thank you so much 🙏
They take credit cards at the village. Even at the taco stand by the campground. I heard the helicopter took credit card as well, but when we went last October and the guy started yelling for people to get on, he only took cash. It's chaos every time and I recommend bringing cash for that to be safe. I've hiked in and out in the dark (at least starting) and had no problems. Obviously have a headlamp and decent sense of direction (and a GPS doesn't hurt, but it's not difficult to follow the trail.) I can't say it's smar to hike through the village at night and am pretty sure their website says not to, but I've done it by myself before and didn't have any problems. But I can't recommend it. The lodge to the campgrounds is about 2 miles, I believe. It has a few hundred feet of elevation loss going in/gain coming out though.
@@JerryArizona thank you
Jerry, thank you for this informative video! Do you know if alcohol based fuel is allowed? (IE: for a trangia)
I wouldn’t worry about bringing alcohol for a stove.
thank you so much!
awesome!
I'm in the Pre-sale. Crossing my fingers. I'm a single hiker so I'm pretty confident I can pick up a canceled spot. Staying positive that this is my year. In the rules it states no weapons allowed. I always carry a camp knife. Would this be a no-no? Thanks for the info. Always enjoy your video's.
I wouldn't expect a camp knife to be considered a weapon, but not 100% sure. Personally, I'd probably take it without thinking twice if it was part of my regular gear. Well, unless it's like a 15" long Rambo survival knife.
No Rambo here. Thanks. I'll check at Registration. I can always just leave in my truck.@@JerryArizona
Did you get picked?
I finally got a reservation!!!!! We’re going!
I got mine as well!
@@leerigdon3435 congrats!
Congrats to both of you!
thank you jerry. im waiting to see if i get lucky for the pre-sale.
Best of luck!
thank you once again
All you need to know is *DO IT* if you are able. It is worth it.
(Stash water on the switchbacks on your way down!)
With Starlink and TMobiles joint venture - I wonder if cell coverage will be available soon.
Great video to watch before your first trip to Havasupai. Too bad you let the cat out of the bag about the cancellations... That is a good way to secure permits for those in the know...
Yeah....It seems that cat's already out of the bag and you already have to be on your toes. But I still know what you're saying and thought about leaving it out.
I did the January lottery and got my first choice of dates. It was painless. If only I could be so lucky getting a permit for the Wave.
Hi Jerry, I got my reservation today. Do I also need to get a permit or is it included with my reservation?
I'm pretty sure it should just be the reservation. You get the reservation for X# of permits and they charge you $455 each. I believe they send an e mail you print out, then you take that to the Inn and show them and they'll hand you your actual permit then.
@@JerryArizona Thanks!
Hey does anyone know any info for Native Americans? Last I heard it was free for us, but do I need to take anything?
Not sure on that. I have a friend who said his Native American friend (Navajo, I believe) was able to go down there whenever she wanted, but I don't know if that's true or any details on how.
Hi Jerry, can you please share the location where people should wait for choppers on their way back
You mean to catch them out of the village? Its in there. Check out the chapter on helicopters in the description and you can skip to it.
I have a question, I am in the lottery for phantom ranch is havasupi near phantom ranch? Like can i just go for the day to the falls?
No. Phantom ranch is pretty far upstream and no trail connects them to my knowledge. And without havasupai permits (PR is Grand Canyon), you aren’t allowed to go upstream past the base of beaver falls. Enjoy phantom ranch though. It’s amazing too. (Make sure bright Angel is open if you’re planning that route. I think it may be closed while they fix the water line. But they may be done. Not sure)
@@JerryArizona thank you so much for responding! I lived in Prescott AZ f few years back in 2014. Then made the terrible decision to move back to east coast!! Everyday I regret my decision, and hopefully I get back out there soon to live for good...I absolutely love your channel.
How do you post car info if you fly in and get rental car
I'll pin a response, but I'd just enter your personal car info. Then, when you pick up the permits, you can explain and hopefully they can change it. You can also ask the tribe directly via the help e mail they give on the website.
If I get 6 permits and two poele cant go, can I transfer two?
I’m not sure. You can try the help e mail but I bet you get a generic response. Look online and see if it gives the option, but be careful to not accidentally transfer all of them. If neither of those work and you can’t find anyone else you know to go, you could possibly try some of the FB groups and see if you can get a couple people who will buy them and meet you there. Sorry I’m not more helpful. Never had that problem before so I’m not sure.
Do you how is the temperature during nights in June ?
Not sure. But I looked up the average temp online and it says 64 with a average high of 100. I wouldn't be surprised if it was more like 80 at night, but not 100% sure.
this was very complete and helpful!
This was terrific. Thank you so much!
Any thoughts on getting a permit if you are coming in a rental car and don't know your license plate in advance?
I’d just put your personal car info. Then when you go to pick up permits at the Inn, tell them you switched and put a copy of the permit in the dash. Honestly doubt they care. It’s probably more for seeing if someone disappears so they can track the car back to figure out who is missing. It’s never been that organized at the lot when I was there.
oof giving away the secrets. I mean I also noticed people were starting to understand on the facebook groups so the cat was out of the bag
I made my girlfriend sit through this entire video and now she’s begging for us to go
I normally don't like these more touristy spots, but it's pretty amazing. Be online and all set up 2/1. Just FYI, the February spots go last since most people can't make a reservation on 2/1 to hike it like a week (or even day) later. But if that doesn't work, just check in every morning for cancellations. I don't even bother with 2/1 anymore. Then again, maybe the website works more smoothly now, so it's worth a shot. Best of luck, man!
I do not know what Havasupai is, and yes that is why I clicked on this video.
Nice! If you look a little ways back on my videos, there is a video of our most recent trip that gives a better representation on why it's worth all of this trouble.
54:00 I lost *all* of my toe nails after this hike. Have *good* shoes!
(they all grew back 😅)
Why do people trash nature? Do they want to hike in a landfill?
40:00 😢😮 :{
I'll never understand it. People are there, so they obviously love nature, so why ruin it?
Can’t believe it won the lottery permit headed down at the end of April. Thank you so much for this great information!
SAME HERE!
I wonder if the tribe will survive the next nuclear war.??
Will any of us?
Pack *light* this is no time for glamping.
Sounds as complex as getting a campsite in Yosemite NP. They sell out it less than 1 minute.
Yosemite is intimidating. One of the main reasons I haven't been there yet.
@@JerryArizona no more intimidating that that Kalalau Hike you guys did. That was a bold hike! Yosemite is worth it for sure. I scored a campsite in the valley and a wilderness backpackers permit.
@@JerryArizona getting a backpacking permit is the better option for Yosemite. Everything else is just tremendous luck.
Sounds like the Tribe is now seeing how much $$$ they can make (especially NOW at $500 a pop and $2700 for a room at the off-trail lodge). At those fees, the store should be full all the time. I thought there was a lodge in the village...has that been stopped as well? No guarantees about anything, no set times, you snooze or don't guess right and you lose. Sounds like a lot of "what ifs" for the money. It's a beautiful place, I get that, and if I had to guess, I'd say that it's all the bad apples who leave their crap and disgusting trash and left-overs behind like the schmucks that they are that have ruined it for the rest of us and put a bad taste in the mouths of the tribe who've been kind enough to let us trample through their town. Thanks a lot. I'll pass.
Did anyone else get a permit and not have to put in their car information in 2024?
From the comments I’ve seen, they may have changed it. They used to ask when you set up an account on their we site. But honestly I’ve never seen any indication at the trailhead that they check plates against permits so I wouldn’t worry much either way.
Suitcase?! No, fool...stay home.